>>40879024 >What are your thoughts on the legalization of recreational drugs? >legalization of recreational drugs? >recreational drugs >recreational Legalization of everything, but place limits/restrictions on levels of intoxication while doing things such as driving, operating machinery,and (insert other examples here)
>What are your thoughts on the legalization of recreational drugs? Legalize it. Addiction has very little to do with the actual drugs themselves, and there are too many work arounds and it is too hard to keep up with every drug available, nor cost effective to enforce the laws.
>What drugs have you done? Weed, salvia, shrooms, acid, cocaine, Adderall, dextroamphetamine, Vyvanse, Ritalin, Valium, Klonopin, Xanax, Ativan, ketamine, Oxycotin, heroin, sub drugs, a host of anti-depressants (TCAs, SSRI, SNRIs), MDMA, and on and on and on.
>>40879024 >What drugs have you done? heroin, morphine, oxycodone, hydrocodone, methadone, fentanyl, oxymorphone (opana), hydromorphone (dilaudid), buprenorphine (suboxone/subutex), codeine, opium (i was partial to opioids if you could not tell)
cocaine, methylphenidate, amphetamines
mdma, psilocybin, lsd, pot
throughtout adolescence and my early 20's, doctors have had me on duloxetine, quetiapine, trazedone, paroxetine, bupropion, alprozolam, clonazepam, diazepam
>What are your thoughts on the legalization of recreational drugs? All drugs? Fuck no. Me personally, any drugs you could reasonably see used similarly to alcohol (marijuana for example) seem like good candidates for legalization.
Though even if they stay illegal, I still think non violent addicts should be rehabilitated and not incarcerated. Prison is literally a thug training school. Its not hard for first time offenders (or at least first timers in jail) to become hardened criminals thanks to the DoC.
>>40879715 Yeah. Vyvanse is a dextroamphetamine pro-drug. Problem with it in my opinion is if you take too much, you're going to be uncomfortable for an entire day. Versus with IR release, it might just be a few hours.
No idea why Vyvanse is so popular now with doctors.
Vyvanse? Overdose symptoms may include restlessness, tremor, muscle twitches, rapid breathing, confusion, hallucinations, panic, aggressiveness, muscle pain or tenderness, muscle weakness, fever or flu symptoms, and dark colored urine. These symptoms may be followed by depression and tiredness. Other overdose symptoms include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach pain, uneven heartbeats, feeling light-headed, fainting, seizure (convulsions), or coma. Have fun with that.
>>40879992 Fuck spice man. Way too sketchy compared to the better alternative of weed. That being said I did try it freshman year of college when we inexplicably couldn't find bud and K2 was 4 times cheaper anyway.
>>40879893 "sudden death" was in their commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4DNGlZFNTo
>>40879898 Very. For me I'd take one AM, one PM (like 1pm/2pm). Then I'd crash and go to sleep at night, but when I'd wake up I'd feel so nasty until I took that first dose.
Some fucked up shit to give your 12 year old. Amazes me now that I look back on it.
(my parents put me on Adderall around 13. Now I'm 29... finally clean of drugs since 28. I never went to AA, but if they asked me how long in my life I'd been sober, I'd have to answer 14 years TOTAL, in my life, kek. )
Legalize the useful drugs like amphetamines. They're pretty much legal already considering how easily they throw out prescriptions, but still.
I see no practical benefit from weed or psychedelics and while I would legalize it, I would prefer to find some way that will heavily encourage people to take stimulants rather than get doped up and sit around slurring out nonsense about fractal elves and world peace.
>>40879930 Yeah, stick with IR release study drugs. Much easier to dose with carefully. If first 5mg isn't enough, can then take another 2.5mg, etc. If too much, it'll only be for a little while then will get better, etc.
Vyvanse seems to also have more side effects than the IR amphetamine salts. I'm not sure if this is just me, or if it has something to do with how it works as a pro-drug/conversion into dextroamphetamine
>>40880079 Yeah. I wasn't the only one either. America has a huge speed problem. Also getting on it that young I never learned how to deal with life without some sort of helping drug. Not saying it was my parents fault I became a drug addict, it was mine, but, it didn't help getting on amphetamines that early in my life.
>>40880062 Stimulants are objectively more unhealthy for your body and brain than LSD and marijuana. I've done both and it really does awful things to your heart and puts too much stress on your dopamine receptors.
I've done weed, acid, DOC, mdma, misc. pills, shrooms, 2BC, other misc. research chemicals, ketamine I might be forgetting some. For the love of god don't make these things legal, they're all truly awful and addictive. I'm only just now picking up the pieces after being sober for one year. Addiction is a horrible thing. Alcohol is also bad imo but I don't think Prohibition will ever work
>>40880157 > I think it's mostly the medical community's fault for misleading people into thinking that it's a good idea to get 12 year olds addicted to speed. Agreed. I found the doctor that originally treated me as a kid and wanted to kill him.
A part of me says it should be illegal for doctors to write amphetamine prescriptions for people under 18, but, I don't really know if that is the ultimate problem. I think it more has to do with our culture and poor doctor training.
>>40879898 >It's addictive as fuck. Easily the most addictive drug I've ever tried at least. Addictive physical or psychologically? They're too different things, for me the worst physical was methadone (those 3+ week acute withdrawals), psychologically was MDPV.
>>40880117 I'm not concerned with the health issues, honestly. It's the potential social harm that could from widespread usage of psychedelics that I'm concerned about. I don't want to let loose another 1960s. That was just an entire decade of drug fueled stupidity being sprayed all over the western world like a hose filled with shit.
Speed makes you productive, confident, and it doesn't fill your head with pacifist nonsense and turn you into a slurring moron. If you give someone stimulants for a week then he will live more and accomplish more in that one week than several months of some pothead that just sits around smoking all day and talking about how great it would be if everyone just loved each other. So while it may be more dangerous, it's worth it and if you don't have a heart defect then you don't have to worry too much about any significant harm.
Our culture's sanity is slipping away too much as it is. I don't think that we can take another hippie generation.
>>40880309 yeah definitely. Had a really bad trip, was the first big big drug trip I had. Saw some scary shit and now i have panic attacks because of it hahaha. They were really bad for the first few months but its slowly getting easier to deal with
>>40880354 I had to go on prozac because I was going insane from having at the time undiagnosed lyme disease. I decided to taper off of 20s myself by doing them every other day then I just stopped outright.
I had withdrawals for a week, two days of which I was glued to the couch and constantly wanted to kill myself. It was twisted but after 2 weeks I felt normal again.
>>40879094 you actually want the state to become a drug dealer?
And you people wonder why the modern state is ridiculed as an institution? It's just a business run by beaurocrats and merchants at this point, not leadership. Why would you support the further erosion and degeneration of the state?
@topic: no legalization. Fucking druggies. Whatever you do do it behind closed doors in your home.
>>40880310 They aren't physically addictive unless you think that feeling sleepy for a few weeks and eating a lot of food is a withdrawal. It's nothing like opiates where you don't even like it anymore but you keep taking it to avoid feeling like you're going to die.
>>40880336 And then they'll all die 20 years earlier because their hearts took more than the human body ever evolved for. Not to mention they will be addicted to speed and won't be able to enjoy life without it.
Legalize them all, I say. These compounds are already available. Those that are inclined, will partake and those that are against, ultimately will not. Should not be up to the state.
I have used:
I used to smoke cigarettes, so >nicotine >Diazepam/Valium given to me before wisdom teeth extraction (feels good man) >EtOH >Vicodin for pain >Nitrous oxide at dentist >THC about three times. First time felt nothing, second time felt awful dissociation, third time to confirm weed and I don't get along.
I worked with ibotenic acid in a neuroscience lab. It burns holes in brains to replicate certain injuries.
>>40880612 >not realizing he definitely knows what you're telling him >not knowing what it's like to have schizophrenia in your bloodline >not realizing the drug is precisely for controlling the crazy >having the attitudes about mental health of someone who has never been broken or is 17 years old.
>>40880565 >Not to mention they will be addicted to speed and won't be able to enjoy life without it. Overall I've been taking these drugs for about nine years, and I've gone times where I've needed to do a lot of work and I took well over 100mg of adderall IR on an almost daily basis for over a year, and it's just not hard to kick. Benzo withdrawal was fucking hell on earth, so after going through that, I laugh a little when I hear people say that it's hard to kick an amphetamine habit. As long as you're not busy and you can just lay around for awhile then it's actually relaxing. Last time I dropped amphetamines I just spent a week watching netflix and eating ice cream. It was pretty enjoyable.
>>40880677 Reasonable drug policy reform is not a threat to society. There are so many more massive problems that are rooted in other issues. One of those massive problems, at least in America is people getting busted for pot, going to jail and then becoming actual criminals when they get out. You don't know what it's like Germany. Our drug policy is unreasonable, and the zeitgeist surrounding it is assbackwards. Doctors are getting children hooked on speed and weed gets you thrown in cages with packs of jiggaboos.
>>40880612 It's an atypical antipsychotic. Usually for people with bipolar symptoms.
If you ask someone they'll tell you it is for their sleep (only partially true). It does help people fall asleep but also suppresses REM and deep sleep so a sleep medicine doctor would never use it for that.
I used to say just legalize weed because its the easiest shit in the world to be caught with, and yet the least trouble causing drug of them all. The only troubles caused by weed are generally when friends family etc etc find out and they say "THATS ILLEGAL YOU KNOW?", and getting caught just fucks you up. People are scared of drugs almost exclusively because prison time stays with you forever.
Recently I got around to reading "Chasing The Screams", only about a third of the way through, but it goes into detail of how the drug war even started and why it was perpetuated and spread throughout the whole world beyond the american borders.
Its interesting to know that the drug itseld isn't the source of addiction, but the means in which to cope with current circumstances. Kinda explains why all of the biggest shitholes in the world like russia and the middle east have such a fucked alcohol and heroin problem. Read up on the "Rat Park" experiment, an enhanced replication of an old experiment used to scare people out of drugs long ago that consisted of a rat in a cage, and two bottles. One with cocaine/heroin laced water, and one with just water. The rats with literally nothing to do in their tiny empty cage but get gacked or hydrated almost always went for the drugs.
Its kinda mind blowing to know that the drug war has only been a thing for about 100 years, and existed by virtue of perpetual bullshit and the mafia. What baffles me most is that back in those days, the concept of a Mafia was so baffling to anyone and everyone that it was just shrugged off as some kind of wild conspiracy theory. Which only makes me think about the shit that the common man would scoff at anything today as a "conspiracy".
The drug war is fucked. But people have grown to accept that now, as if it were common knowledge by this point. The only hurdle stopping it from being a thing isn't acceptance from the general public, but to try and losen the grip of those profiting off of it.
>>40880928 If alcohol is legal, weed should be legal. I've done both since I was 17 and 18 respectively and weed is objectively less physically harmful, addictive and it is impossible to overdose. Not to mention the lowering inhibitions part of drinking has led to violence and dangerous situations repeatedly today and throughout history.
Anyway; in order of frequency of use Caffiene Nicotine Weed Shrooms LSD 25-i
the last two I do not care much about and don't plan on doing again. Its just not for me.
I enjoy a yearly trip with close friends, so long as its a tight circle and of substance. I just like weed though. I smoke it in ticks and tocks. Every morning before breakfast and every night before bed for about a week. And then a week or two of being sober. Being sober after a weed streak is like a high in itself.
>>40880818 >and the withdrawals are hellish In what way specifically? I've seen plenty of people whining about amphetamine withdrawals and they whine about the same exact things that I feel whenever I stop taking amphetamines, it's just that they've never been through a withdrawal that was worse than that so they just lay around moaning all day like a little kid with a belly ache. It's just extreme fatigue, a huge appetite, and apathy. It's unpleasant if you try to work while experiencing this, but if you can just crash for a week or two then there's nothing even remotely hellish about it. Hellish is a withdrawal that feels like you have the worst flu imaginable and it never seems like it's going to end, vomiting all over yourself, horrible insomnia, shaking uncontrollable, feeling like you're always about to pass out, feeling like electricity is rattling around in your bones, and the constant fear that it'll trigger a seizure or kill you.
Amphetamine withdrawals really do feel like a holiday in comparison to a physical withdrawal that is actually hellish.
>>40880999 weed is very psychoactive and makes people retarded and lazy. I have experience with both as well and I've seen people on it for years. The weed people actually change in personality and behaviour while the alcohol people generally don't, even if their habit is unhealthy like every friday. weed is much worse than people think, but it looks harmless.
it does not distort your visiual or auditory perception whatsoever. Perhaps your enjoyment or appreciation, but not actually causing a distortion to your reality. It is nothing like mushrooms or LSD I don't understand where this myth comes from.
>>40880778 >Benzo withdrawal was fucking hell on earth, so after going through that, I laugh a little when I hear people say that it's hard to kick an amphetamine habit. Yeah benzo withdrawal is way worse than amphetamine withdrawal. That shit is fucking unreal.
Let's put it this way: one can kill you, one makes you tired and cranky.
>>40881066 I strongly diagree, first that you think drinking a lot doesn't change people, and two that stoners have to be spacey and brain dead. If I drank as much as I smoked weed, I'd be fucking dead at 23. Instead I'm a productive guy, personable and people are almost always surprised when they find out I smoke weed. Moderation is necessary in all drugs, but once again if you had two identical twins, one who got high and one who got drunk just as much, the drunken one would be more likely and sooner pick up adverse health effects and addiction. I'd choose being a stoner over a boozehound any day. I was also vehemently opposed to weed while being someone who drank before I tried it and realized I was profoundly mislead about its effects and general nature.
>>40880354 Okay so I was watching some american public access tv through some link on /tv/ a while ago. And holy shit the ads for anti depressants, and just over the counter pills in general is astonishing. Like, holy hell, Australia just gets headache meds, nicotine pacthes/gums, and hay feaver tablet commercials.
All of the shit I see from american TV even has those tiny fine print shit at the bottom that lists all of the psychotic shit like suicidal tendancies, depression, anxiety, that just flash for just barely long enough for you to even notice.
Why does the human body have so much trouble dealing with a withdrawal from downers but not with uppers? Downer withdrawals seem like they beat the shit out of you and leave you an inch away from death. Is the human body just better suited to bouncing back from a stimulant dependency while something about a depressant dependency is much harder for the body to adapt to?
>weed is not addictive I can tell you for sure because I smoke it everyday >also it cures cancer I really hate how deluded pot heads are. At least other drugs users can admit that the drug they're taking is harmful. Potheads are so adamant that it's effects are purely positive that it's funny. I've never met someone who can smoke weed in moderation
Dont get me wrong, I love em all. Everything should be legal to own/use. The super addictive drugs - heroin, coke, crack, PCP, meth should have high penalty for selling/making. The super benign ones - weed and shrooms should be legal/taxed. The stuff in the middle should only carry minor penalties for selling - large fines and community service.
>>40881278 I think to do with a state of being anxious being so much worse than tired. A quiet mind is better than the agitated. Agitated minds make all the physical symptoms like fight or flight response kick in.
Benzo withdrawal feels like a fucking lion is chasing you as soon as you wake up (if you got any sleep).
>>40881202 The American government is basically a puppet for our largest MNC's and that includes drug companies. They have a stranglehold on public policy and when you see powerful drugs being advertised on TV, it's a manifestation of that.
>>40881376 Yep, and your nervous system is like an electrical storm. Tried cold turkey for 1 day from a 10mg/day xanax habit. BAD IDEA. Felt like lightning was shooting down my spine. Once I realized I would likely die from cold turkey, I tapered off with KPins. Much ore manageable. That shit was one of the toughest things I've ever had to deal with. Still, benzos are easier to beat that a serious nicotine habit, at least for me.
It was pretty interesting Was a few years ago, but haven't done it since. It was a lovely experience with some great friends, it started off shaky for me though.
But thats because I was at a festival and hadn't eaten a proper meal in like a day or two. I'm a stingy fuck, and I seek to sustain myself in a minimalist fashion. So for that morning my sustinance consisted of aldi brand up and go, and some shitty instant coffee because caffiene is my most troublesome addiction.
We went to the creek corner to sit away from any and all strangers, my lips and gums were going numb from the tab under my tongue, so I bent down to the creeks edge and hand a handful of water. I accidentally washed away the tab out of my mouth and even made a shit attempt at chasing after it. I said fuck it though, it was well past the twenty minute mark.
After a while, I stood up and walked away from the group, saying I needed to piss. I walked for what I thought was at least a good 20-30 meters. Keeled over, hands to knees, and threw up the nastiest liquid based vom I'd ever had. It was quick though. I got back to the pod and realized they all heard me and asked if I was alright. I then noticed I'd just gone a few meters past one of the trees. I knew at that point I was well into it.
I don't know how to describe it, its not as heavy as acid it. Its quite sharp on the mind, has a closer peak time at like 4 hours, and then drops and tapers off for the next 7 or 8 hours. Very similar to LSD, but with the minus of the numbing and making you queesy on the initial entry of the trip. Probably not good for first timers, as they'd probably freak and not know why they felt ill.
It doesn't have anywhere near as long a legs as acid does, thats for sure. Once its over, its over, and you notice it. It doesn't bleed back into soberiety like LSD does I feel.
>>40881494 I've never smoked, is the nicotine habit because of all the psychological things? Like ability to go outside and smoke, etc? I would imagine physically it isn't harder than a downer, but psychologically I could see it. But I don't really know since I haven't experienced it myself
>People saying that US doctors are fucked up for so easily prescribing drugs while also endorsing complete legalization of drugs.
I don't get it. What's the difference?
For example, I know that my doctor is a fucking quack that will give me anything I want as long as I drop a few generic symptoms from a wikipedia article. When I wanted speed to help me study then I went in, mentioned a few random ADHD symptoms off wikipedia, and I was out with my prescription in less than 10 minutes. The amount of time spent actually talking to him was probably 2 minutes.
As long as you realize that the doctors are just drug dealers then you can do your own research online and weigh the pros and cons, just like you would if these drugs were legalized and you were thinking about buying some.
>>40881567 I don't know the numbers, but I'm sure it is rediculous. Also the country ignores the resulting speed addiction problems that arise from it. A night on /b/ you'll see more amphetamine posts than any other drug, including alcohol
>>40881574 I smoked a pack a week one summer and quit with no problem at the end of the summer because going outside in the New England winter is something I don't want to do unless it's necessary or I'm snowboarding.
>>40881574 For one, nicotine is relatively benign at least from a short term perspective. One cig is not going to kill you. Meanwhile, when you've had enough of benzos, you prolly cant remember shit from the past coupe months or years and you're damn well ready to quit. Also, cigs are everywhere, access is too easy. I've made it nine months on cigs but get dragged back in every time. Vaping now, which will be totally impossible to quit because I feel there are so few negatives to it, aside from my wifes bitching.
>>40881618 Opiates too. In Mass it's a huge fucking problem, I know multiple people who've Od'd some of them dead and almost all of them started with percs. I graduated in high school in 2010 when I only knew two guys who did percs, now a huge part of my old high school is addicted to percs. It's an epidemic up here.
>>40881567 Okay this one in particular really irks me. It almost seems that every single kid who isn't paying attention in class or is distracted by someone elses phone or their phone or something out the window is diagnosed with ADD or ADHD and given meds to mute them.
Seriously, there are so many more things to distract kids than ever before, and yet we complain and become PUZZLED at HOW could they possibly find all that shit more interesting that standardized education?! GEE I FUCKING WONDER.
In my upbringing in primary school and highschool, I never fucking paid attention in class. I was always mc'guivering some shit in my pencil case or watching how the birds trounce around the grass outside to trick worms into thinking its raining. Teachers didn't tell my folks to drug me, instead they sat and talked to me, asked me what I was doing and why. I'd be frank with them when I didn't feel like being a smart ass, and they'd tell other teachers who might have something relevant to my interests to teach me. I whittled pencils in the middle of class, I got introduced to sculpting rather than clay pottery in art. I still make sculptures because it seems like my teachers gave a shit enough to notice what I might find a passion in.
I took that all for granted, and realize I could have had it so much worse had I been in some other country.
I've done....wow, let's see. Weed, painkiller/opiates for Crohn's disease, Xanax to curb the anxiety caused by said painkillers/opiates, all kinds of pharmaceuticals for that matter including Tramadol, Dilaudid, Valuum, Vicodin, Percocet, Klonopin, Oxy and Roxy, etc. LSD (weak, hard to find quality acid), shrooms, MDMA, cocaine, snorted heroine once but it was the worst and most overrated drug I've ever done. Can't believe people get hooked on that low tier shit. "Hey, wanna feel sick, tired, and unhappy for a few hours? Try heroin!"
Oh I forgot those few times I did homemade, microwaved L with a few friends. Weird times.
>>40881617 >Asked my doctor if adderall was dangerous after I had been taking it for months. >"Sudden death if you have a heart deformity, but it would have killed you by now if you had that problem, so congratulations on being born with a normal heart! Long term side effects? Well, we've all gotta die someday."
Having a jewish doctor is terrifying. I don't even ask questions anymore because I know he doesn't give a shit.
>>40881824 we were watching tv and my friend said the guy was scaring him. then southpark was on and we thought the characters were talking about killing us. was convinced i was stuck in a loop and that i had killed everyone around me and i was going to wake up in hospital in cuffs. have pretty shitty anxiety now lmao
>>40881815 No. I should have clarified, I noticed this as a trend in America from all the americans that I've met IRL and online. I never even really knew that people who didn't actually have a disorder COULD get their hands on them.
Here, the only ones I knew on meds as a kid were the legitimately hyper active disfunctional students who literally could not sit still unless they popped a pill.
>>40881886 Not to add a drug to your problems from doing drugs, but have you tried doing molly or K once since then? It can seriously help if done responsibly in a good environment with good people and/or music.
>>40881898 Thats why the holocaust was a bad idea. Why kill them when we can enslave them to preform mental labor. Its tax return season. Imagine how little it would cost to pay someone to have their jew-slave do it for you.
>>40881886 See that is why I advise people to stay away from their phones and electronic devices in general with psychedelics.
Theres so much that you can observe where a lapse in context can send you somewhere you really don't want to be. Its always also good to have a baby sitter, someone with enough experience with the drug to empathise with your situation and catch you when you're about to fall into somewhere dark.
I always take psychedelics early in the day in a big natural environment free from the unpredictable bothers of strangers and technology. All you've got to satisfy your trip is your own curiosity and the limited amount of shit around you that only get more fascinating as time goes on.
My last acid trip I had a friend who was rolling on MD ready to tip over laying across my lap and I got a lot of grotty nasty vibes from him that I couldn't shake, and then another more sober friend comes in with his 3DS into my tent, and suddenly I got hit with the feeling that I was back at home, the last place I wanted to be at the time, like everything I'd experienced up until that point was a dream and I woke up back in my house of video games and depressed parents.
>>40881758 Have you noticed how almost all of these kids are boys?
The root problem goes back to the shift in education that started in the US at around the 1960s and spearheaded primarily by liberals and women. Previously, teaching had always been based around the traditional competitive teaching style that has always worked very well for boys. The teacher encourages the students to compete, there are very few group projects, independence is encouraged, there are no classroom presentations or any of the other very social learning activities.
In the 1960s though, the cooperative teaching style that we use today was phased in. Mostly in an attempt to help female students get ahead, so now all assignments became group work, extremely social, competition is bad, etc, and basically everything that makes a normal young boy's eyes glaze over with boredom.
This was successful in the sense that girls skyrocketed, but now boys were falling behind and many boys just didn't give a shit anymore, so here's where "ADHD" comes in and the mass usage of prescription amphetamines on young boys. It's pretty much the only way to get some boys to be able to learn anything in this extremely feminized learning environment.
>>40882421 >male to female prescription rate for amphetamines
In the US, ADHD is diagnosed in boys at a rate of two to four times that of girls, and if you assume that most of those people followed their doctor's suggestion to put them on medication then it's a significantly higher number of boys who are being prescribed amphetamines.
>>40882626 It forces them to think that the classes are interesting. Speed looks like you're hyper because you're talking a mile a minute, but mentally it keeps them intensely focused on one thing at a time and they will lock onto whatever you direct them towards because the amphetamines will make it seem interesting even if they normally would hate it. Currently they're just all over the place and bouncing between from one thing to another every few seconds.
>>40882729 Fair, the only big-boy stimulant I've had is MDMA so I don't know a lot about the effects of other stuff I know speed helps focus, but I really can't see it being healthy neurologically at all for those children >>40882774 Addiction is the degeneracy, not occasional recreational use
>>40879024 >cannabis >hallucinogenic Kek I've done weed, coke, shrooms, acid and that's pretty much it. Don't really want to try anything else. Coke is fun on occasion, acid kicks ass, shrooms are fuckin weird and eeed is the most amazing this to ever hit my lungs.
>>40882996 >cannabis >hallucinogenic It can be a bit. Not a proper trip by any means but shit can get wavy if you smoke enough. Try eccies as well mate, they're better than coke >>40882998 As long as you're not an addict and drugs don't get in the way there's no problems m8
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