Sup /pol/, I'm thinking of becoming a pagan.
I was raised as a christian (from a not so religious catholic family) and I just don't see the truth in Christianity anymore. It always felt so unnatural, so foreign and very uninspiring.
I read about Asatru, Nova Roma, Indo European paganism etc and it just made me want to embrace it. The kinship system, the religious structure, the ethics and epics is so meaningful. At last I can cherish my heritage with all my heart, it just makes you want to live your life to the fullest.
>“My doom has come upon me; let me not then die ingloriously and without a struggle, but let me first do some great thing that shall be told among men hereafter" -The Iliad scroll 22
>"Never slay more than one man in the same stock, and never break the peace which good men and true make between thee and others." -The Saga of Burnt Njal, chapter 55
>"There are tears shed for things even here and mortality touches the heart. Abandon your fears; I tell you, this fame will stand us somehow in good stead." - The Aeneid Book 1
Here's one for you:
Cattle die, kindred die,
Every man is mortal:
But the good name never dies
Of one who has done well
I am too a pagan but my problem is I always feel inadequate in the face of it. I feel like I am not good enough to be one.
Perhaps it's because I am not happy with my life. I should live life to the fullest, too.
Join us in our fight
WE MUST RECLAIM THE HOLY LAND FOR ALL CHRISTENDOM!!!
CONVERSION IS THE ONLY SALVATION!
The rest are too but I don't remember them all. Look them up.
I hope a nuke explodes over the vatican and the imported nigger apes from Africa come en hoarde to rape every single christian in the area
Good job OP, you're now embracing the almost forgotten spirit of your ancestors.
Now remember, to honor your ancestors is to act. You can refer to earlier pagan works, or write your own work where you synthesize the wisdom of Europa into your own unique vision. Remember, making your own destiny is what sets paganism apart from the Abrahamic shit, and it's what the Abrahamic scumlords wanted to put a stop to.
>your own unique vision
Paganism confirmed for special snowflake-tier.
>a jew hating other jews
Then again, being a lying backstabber is the way of the jew, so that shouldn't surprise anyone
I bet you even have some bullshit khazar 'theories' and other jewdi mind tricks up your sleeve, don't you, Schlomo?
Paganistic sects are a european religion.
Christianity is complete bullshit because the chosen people are in a desert thousands of miles away and you've never seen or heard of them before.
King James ver. said Judeans are Jews.
Christianity says God created everyone one/man equally, therefore racism and/or sexism are not compatabile.
However what religion you join should be based on what country your in amd it's history.
Tell me this pagan, if your 'gods' determine the outcome of wars, doesn't that mean that they prefer Christians?
Yes goyim, never doubt your jew masters!
I'm not even Roman, I just like that picture.
No, because Christianity is dying right now into an orgasm of faggotry, while paganism even survived the worst you could throw at it
Pic related, it's your future
Answer the question: when pagans and Christians met on the battlefield, who won the war?
You sure didn't, or else we wouldn't be having this conversation, jew
Look, more visions of your future.
Its a fine religion
>daily reminder that Christian Europe harbored Jews and continues to do so
I meant indo European in general, including the vedic and iranian religion. But if you mean a single indo European pagan religion, reconstructed proto indo European comes to mind. Though it's very vague, you can look into dnghu.org, or read 'The horse, the wheel and the language' by David Anthony for in depth academic information. If you're into the religious side, a pagan named Ceisewr Serith wrote a book specifically about this called 'deep ancestors' you might want to check it out. ill leave you with this introductory video:
It is always amusing to me that pagans like to deride Christianity as a "pussy slave religion," but as soon as we remind them of their defeat they become so quick to paint us as brutal oppressors.
Being unable to accept defeat gracefully is unbecoming.
We won: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
>Being unable to accept defeat gracefully is unbecoming.
No, I just don't want you people to make my continent gay
Not really, your religion was gay from the beginning
I think most pagans would rather die in battle than live to become what Christians are becoming now. Not that I think Christianity is beyond redemption. In fact, in some ways I hope ISIS keeps growing so some Christian men find their balls.
Your religion prohibits killing and war, my homeland was not conquered by Christians, but by Franks who claimed to be Christian.
Having a hard time following your own religion there, "warrior"? Turn the other cheek.
Charlatanism and woo that hilariously reinvents and repopularizes extinct religions, superstitions, and rituals, for people who want to feel enlightened but don't have the intelligence or discipline for academic learning.
I bet you're a cringeworthy fuck who follows the precepts of the 'Iron Pill'.
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
- Romans 1:27
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34
Stay strong brother, just remember that even though we are mortal humans in a world of chaos and confusion, we stick together united, through thick and thin. You'll always have a kinsmen by your side, whenever you're in need.
I'll leave you with a quote by homer in his Iliad
>"The gods envy us. They envy us because we’re mortal, because any moment may be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we’re doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again."
From the Hebrew יוֹחָנָן (Yôḥānān), meaning "Yahweh has been gracious".
From the Greek Loukas or Latin Lucas, meaning "Man from Lucania". It wasn't a very common name until the Hellenic Jew Luke the Apostle wrote his Gospel/was credited with writing his gospel.
Anglo-Saxon, meaning "Cliff" or "of the cliff", as in "Lives near a cliff".
From the Greek word for "Life", although the Greek pagans never used it as an actual name. It was adopted by Hellenized Jews as a translation of חַוָּה (Ḥawwāh), known in English as "Eve".
שָׂרָה (Sara), the wife of אַבְרָהָם (Avraham). The name itself means "princess". Also the mother of:
יִצְחָק (Yitskhak), meaning he who laughs.
A English form of a dialectal French form of Jacob.
יַעֲקֹב (Ya'akov). He was later renamed to Israel.
Many "European" names are actually Jewish.
You know just as well as i do that that verse was not meant in the way you're implying, also, do you think, even if that sentence meant what you think it did, that that SINGLE verse would override everything your holy book says about peace?
When the romans came for him, your prophet didn't allow his followers to fight back, that has to count for something.
Yeah, but the Romans brought many names of organic Latin and Greek origin with them as well. They were stomping all over yurop and building forts when Christianity was a faith of <20 people.
When the Romans came for Him, He had already won; there was no need to fight.
Peace is superior to war, but war will come to those who oppose God.
Turn the other cheek doesn't promote pacifism, it promotes not reacting violently to petty circumstances. A slap to the cheek is not life threatening, so it doesn't warrent violence. Jesus went with the romans because that was literally the entire point for Him showing up in the first place.
You know Adolf Hitler used the swastika because it was used at his favorite Lambach church. It's the symbol of the cross.
>answering obvious trolling
>Turn the other cheek doesn't promote pacifism
He could have said that you should turn the other asscheek and it still would be a Christian version of a warrior mentality
Just admit it, Christianity is for pussies, by pussies. You tried to get rid of us, and you failed. Now go fade into obscurity while we make Europe great again
Oh, there's plenty of European names. Augustus, Marcus, Carl, Earl, Henry, George, and so on and so forth.
But many "European" names are Jewish. Notice that I am using quotation marks here, as I did in my previous post. Hebrew is not an Indo-European language. It, like Arabic and various Ethiopian languages such as Ge'ez, is an Afro-Asiatic language, and more specifically Semitic. As such, they are not European names. They may have been "Europeanized" (Or more so, Romanized/Hellenized then Francified then Anglified then Americanized), but that's like saying a nigger living in Denmark is Danish.
There are also names that while Indo-European in linguistic origin only became a name after Christianity had taken root. Luke is an example, or "Christian" and "Christopher" which come from the Greek "Χριστόφορος" (Christoforos), meaning "He who bears the Messiah (In his heart)". Although a Greek man could indeed name his son such a name, there was no background to lead to such a name.
This is a Christian board, pagans are not welcome here.
100 years after his 'death'
30-40 years after his death and this is really really flimsy
Where in your book does it say that? Your book does not speak of war, anywhere.
Also, the pagans literally didn't even bother Christians, they didn't even mind if their king was Christian, they just ignored his personal beliefs. Nobody was "opposing" your god, but your kind killed us anyway.
According to you it is and you are no authority.
I wish Moot would make a religion board where there could be different generals and discussions on religion and all christian shitposters would be banned.
Nonsense, no man would react that way if someone slapped them on the cheek. A real man wouldn't tolerate that. If your god is omnipotent he wouldn't have had to die to the romans for ANY reason.
The Swastika in some form has been used by pretty much every single culture on Earth. Even American Natives used it.
The Swastika was used by pre-Christian Celts, Germanics, Greco-Romans, Iberians, Basques, Germanic Scandinavians, Hindu's, Buddhists, Taoists, Zoroastrians, Muslims, and on and on and on.
Look here and scroll down to Europe.
1) wrong post.
2) Christians hold a plurality. There are more of us than any other individual religion, and we're extreamly clost to being a full majority. Meanwhile, pagans are a tiny minority here, you're just very vocal.
If you do not believe in Christ, you must burn.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
- John 15:6
>didn't ever bother Christians
Killing peasents and priests, burning homes and churches, and stealing land, gold, and livestock apparantly doesn't even count as "bothering" someone. You heard it here first folks.
Yeah, but it was used the most by Aryans all around the world, when they came to India it appeared there, when they came to Europe it appeared there, when they came to China it appeared there, it is the ultimate symbol of indo-Europeans.
According to Christianity, god is not a physical being inside this universe, he couldn't have set foot upon this earth since theologically speaking he wouldn't have feet. He exists outside of the universe, otherwise he couldn't have created it.
Way to shoot yourself in the foot, Christfag, do you really think writing god in capitals helps your argument? You are subservient to you god, he doesn't even allow you to speak his name, do you KNOW NO SHAME?
There is no point in dumping one fairy tale for another. Religion is intended as a mass control device for the low IQ general population. If you need to believe in folklore to find meaning in life, you're just a dumbass.
>I'm thinking of switching from McDonald's to Burger King
>I was raised on McDonalds, but I've realized how unnatural and unhealthy it is.
>A real man is so insecure in his self worth he needs to beat the shit out of anyone who insults him to feel good.
>wouldn't have had to die for any reason
I kind of want to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're trolling. I'd like to believe nobody who can succesfully operate a computer would be so completly critical of something they have literally no understanding of. Not in the mood, I guess.
>fides quaerens intellectum
>According to Christianity, god is not a physical being inside this universe
According to Christanity, Jesus Christ was literally god and Jesus Christ was here on earth in physical form.
Please just shut-up about a subject you don't know but you will not since you're a typical know it all atheist.
According to Christianity, God is a human being. You need to study more.
The only reason why your faith spread is out of fear. You took the fear of tribals and used it, you used the political power of the Roman empire, otherwise your filth would never have spread outside of your "holy land".
Without the narrative of Hell you would never have converted anyone, no one believes willingly in a faith that considers him nothing less than a slave to the almighty.
>implying i got my info from a university
You can keep pretending that knowledge is an invalid source of evidence but that won't make you right.
So cast me more bait, you're the fisherman. I'm already pretty sure how it'll go.
>A real man is so insecure in his self worth he has to parrot everything back at people when he's losing an argument.
You're improving, but parroting is still a pretty shitty form of trolling. You really need to work on it.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
- Proverbs 9:10
Both of our religions represent thousands of years of European history that should not be thrown away or ignored. We must band together to remove kebab and jew from this earth!
Fuck you, pagans only did that after you started force-converting them and killing them, the viking age was the response to the destruction of Saxony and the saxon people. Do you have nothing better to say? YOU were the aggressors, nobody was hunting you down anymore, the romans had long converted, you were free to believe in whatever you wanted, but you stabbed us in the back.
Go fuck yourself.
I AM NOT AN ATHEIST, you fucking maggotbrain, also i said 2000 years BEFORE your god set foot upon this earth, by which i meant Christ.
You can't even read the conversation, shame on you.
I too am kind of in the same predicament.
But unlike you westerners there is no revival of the religion of my ancestors not that I know of anyway. But the mythology is still in some ways alive, although it seems like not many people know about it, except for some academics and a few really old people in the rural areas as oral tradition, and in some ways ingrained in the psyche of the race (or so I have read).
One of the things that bothers me abojut pagan revival religions is that its modernist in a sense, born out of modern reasoning and deconstructio.
Would we really be able to believe in the old gods in the same way our ancestors did?
To them they are real beings that have real influence on reality.
>mfw I'm Christian that studies Germanic Gods as well.
We must bring back our strong military history.
In the name of Thor. In the name of arch-Angel Micheal.
Indeed, being Pagan makes me a pagan, buttbreath.
Believing in the ancient gods of my homeland makes me a pagan.
You really think this is being edgy, but you have no fucking idea, your kind endangered the existence of my race and nigh-destroyed my religion.
I'm sorry, when did I say He had to? He chose to. It was a sacrifice. Really, are you just going to parrot whatever you read on the dark corners of Tumblr pagans call their home?
You might think so, i do not.
I am not a Christian, so i will allow you to believe in whatever you will, and i will be peaceful about it.
I hope you have a good life, at least you're trying to preserve your culture.
i feel the same way
although i do find catholicism to be very inspiring and a worthy religion
the hippy socialist jew part of it is off putting
but i feel like i was born and raised so i would be a traitor if i did. and lets be honest here, pagan myths are fucking stupid.
but like someone else said are you just replacing one stupid story for another.
what the fuck is the point of it all anyway. oh well. ill probably just end up going to hell anyway
Son of Europa! Do not quarrel with one another! Pagans and Christians represent the greatest of Europe's history and virtues! We should ban together to return Europe to it's former glory!
I have never been on tumblr.
Why did he make the choice if he didn't need to? He knows all and is capable of all, he could've just changed everything within and instant without all the drama.
Come on now. Really, I'm making an effort here. If you're content to spend your time with shit as weak as claiming you're winning when you clearly aren't, I'll just let you sink.
True. It is hard to make peace when one side will not relent.
I have always believed in the supernatural, even when i had my edgy atheist teenage phase i believed in the supernatural.
It's something that comes inherent to me.
Look, i will not try to convert you, it's fine that you think this, i do not mind, and if they do exist, the Gods won't either. I've never minded atheists.
We really do need to make peace, we are ageold enemies, but at least we are of the same blood, we are of the same land, and we share history.
We should cast the invaders into the sea and then worry about everything else.
There is no "paganism". Christianity united Europe as a whole. Traditional European were fairly limited to their area. Which one are you choosing? Further, why that European religion?
Yeah, that's why there's Protestants, Russian Orthodox, Catholics.. and millions of other schisms that effectively divided Europe.
Cause Christianity united it, right?
NO! It led it down perpetual war between French and English while Spain and Portugal were left to the Moors!
Hmm, interesting way of looking at it.
My only problem with Christianity is the shit attached to it, you preach peace, but war will always be there. You preach peace, but still you slaughter heretics and heathens without problem.
I called myself edgy, and with supernatural i only mean things that we can't see (gods etc.) I don't claim atheists to be edgy at all. I was a fucking communist at the time man, that's edgy.
It is too late for that now, anon, they're here and they're here to stay, they've been here for a thousand years. We must compromise or we will die out, Europe will die.
Yeah, people aren't going to convert to baganism if Christianity leaves, they'll most likely convert to a religion that has at least some universality. Fact: There are more White British Muslims in the UK than pagans.
>there is no paganism
Excuse me, but i believe OP is a pagan, and many others in this thread, including myself. Also why do christians on this board get so butthurt around pagans? i have nothing against christians, most of my friends are christian, so are my parents and a huge chunk of my ancestors are also christian.
other people have mentioned it my biggest problem with christianity is how it pussifies people
i understand how muslims claim "religion of peace"
sure there would be peace in the world if every other religion was destroyed. but will that ever happen? no. and its not worth the fight
but we should be able to practice our different religions in peace on different sides of the world. islam is aggressive and expansionist.
i get that by going to war with them…we will become barbarians like them…and that would ultimately hurt the image of the church.
the church needs a wing that can militarily defend itself against aggressive islamic expansion…without hurting the church's image. which is basically impossible.
but if neo-norse pagans could team up with christianity i think that would be a winning combo to defeat thugs like ISIS and da jooos
It was united through Christianity and finally went into awful war due to the reformation. Before it and even during the times of the crusades Europe moved as close as it ever did as one body.
Pretty much the biggest dividings in European history post-Rome were the Reformation and the Enlightenment, the latter only possible because of the Reformation. All the other divisions of Christianity we see now besides Orthodox and Catholics are protestants acting due to the reformation.
Then our blood will die.
Our ancient, holy blood that has fought a bloody path from the caucasus to this land.
I will not let it die, not without spilling my blood in defense of it.
It's the correct way of liking at it. The belief it promotes total pacifism requires you to outside ignore other passages. The idea that Christians were historically fighting everyone else comes from horrendous misrepresentations of the crusades and the validity of them. The original crusades were defensive wars. Christian land was being taken by Muslims. The later ones were declared as an excuse to make money, and thus are not, and never were, valid.
They always are anon, because they believe that they are superior, they believe with every fiber of their bodies that every single one of us must convert or die. This has been proven correct throughout history.
>All-Father God Wotan
You do have to have evidence to believe in things. There's no point otherwise. Just because it's closer to humanity does not mean anything. If someone told you they were a devout believer in the Potato god that had slave Pumpkins and could flt and shoot milk out of it's 11 titties you would laugh your ass off and tell them to go to a hospital. That's how I feel about religious idiots. I'm not trying to convert you per se I am just letting you know you're willingly living a life of ignorance.
Then your faith is misplaced.
If you are right, then you will die a silent martyr for an idiotic cause given life by propaganda invented will after European paganism was effectively dead.
>Also why do christians on this board get so butthurt around pagans?
I'm not bothered at all. I'm just saying "paganism" has an much religious and historical depth as Lavey Satanism. It's no one movement but a collection of movements. If you want to take traditional European religions seriously you need to pick one, not try to claim all of Europe's like absolutely no one did back then. I'm making a point and ask a question, not trying to give OP shit.
What about the wars for Frisia and Saxony then? What about the horrors done to the Germanic peoples?
Christians are supposed to be compassionate, but they have shown to be the opposite of this.
Wodan would win for sure.
>Has the ability to bind people minds, making them fearless or fill them with dread and anxiety
>Has a kickass spear that will always hit its mark even if thrown poorly
>Is shape shifter
As much as it seems rather nice to do this divide, Yahweh and Allah would floor those two. Their power-levels from their sources surpass a sword-swinging cherub and old fart that gets eaten by a furry.
Not sure how anyone can honestly claim to be a norse pagan today.
Sure you can read old texts…but what do you actually do? worship a tree? seriously i am actually curious
i will admit that id rather go to valhalla than heaven. big titted viking chicks take you to a party with the best warriors and tons of beer. sounds pretty good to me
well there were attempts of an unified roman pagan religion as early as 4th century, how succesfull it was was debateable
but all religions no matter how they claim to be orthodox change, even if the core tenets remain the same. paganism of plato was not equal to paganism of agustus or a greek that lived in 1st AD
I would rather die a silent martyr, than watch my ancient blood wither and die. A pagan man fights and dies for his people, a pagan man places nothing above his people and his family.
Without the existance of my people, i would have no will to live.
>making your own destiny is what sets paganism apart from the Abrahamic shit
Well its kind of secular to be honest.
People who are intelligent pagans just merely view the religion as stories to tell and ascertain a pride in their blood.
See this for more information. >>38901376
David Lane was the mastermind behind the movement that has spawned a huge surge in Paganism.
Use it well
That would be Christians, not Christianity.
Do you consider philosophy valid?
Because they relate Europe's culture with paganism, which ironically it was mainly Christian
And don't give me that "I feel God inside me" mantra. Humans have an innate will to label lifeless actions as caused by life. We naturally sense life where we are blind. This protected us in the past. We evolved this.
>Sup /pol/, I'm thinking of becoming a pagan.
This is your first baby step to becoming a full-blown autist
Daily reminder the only "pagans" that exist are autistic 12 year olds who just saw the recent Marvel films
Pagan cults are stuck in the past, you can't join them without become a primitive faggot.
Not saying other religions are more advanced, just they're mysterious enough you praise inconceivable and interpretable entities.
Pagans do not actually need to worship. We are not subservient to the gods, we acknowledge them and honour them, but we are not their slaves or pawns. Sacrifices are a way of showing thankfulness.
Also, valhöll isn't just partying, it's also preparing to fight the biggest battle ever to exist.
I think the time of Pagan values is coming again. Christianity created a long golden age of European history and culture (though pagan themes and symbols and ideas never 100% vanished) but now the 'soft' christian virtues such as "giving up your possessions" and "love your neighbor" and "all people are equal" and "once all men were sinners but now with this new idea we can all be saved" have become excessive and manifested in the new Christian heresy that is called "progressivism".
It's time to bring back honor, strength, heroic values, strong heroes, reverence for the natural order, and the will to power.
We must. The forces of destruction close in on all sides, and treachery from within weakens us. There is not much time. By our families, our country, our blood, our race, and all that we hold dear, we must become strong.
Europa forever. HailaR WôðanaR!
>"Why were you so ungrateful to our gods as to desert them for the Jews?"
-Julian the Apostate
As long as you arent an attention whoring wicca who needs to dress up in fantasy clothing to proper pray, some people may take you serious.
You arent using the edda (written by a christian) as your prime source of religious knowledge, dont you?
Besides that, have you read the book "summoning the gods" ?
I heard it would be promoting interesting and more serious pagan ideas than the typical " I pray to dah wite gods becuz theyre cool- Now call me LegolanOakfriend, Im a druid now!"-"paganism".
do you guys sacrifice?
i go deer hunting so i will dedicate my first kill to odin
i don't think catholic jesus will mind too much
/pol/ should work to develop an alliance between traditional/old school catholicism and norse paganism
the alliance is necessary for the preservation of both cultures which were instrumental in making europe and north america great
There is no hellfire! Stop misleading people dammit!
"DEATH" is tailored specifically to the individual. If you thing you'll go to hell you'll go to hell. Not a general hell, but your won inner hell of guilt. Everyone creates an inner world within themselves because we have a spark of the divine within us. The soul is free to do what it wants. The positive, the negative or a bit of both.
All this "INTENSE" stupidity is leading you nowhere folks.
The moment the facts start rolling in and the charade is going to vanish like a bad fart the religious idiots will realize that they have done "NOTHING" absolutely "NOTHING" for their spirituality, they simply devolved and moved away from GOD as farrrrrrrrr as humanly possible.
You know where's the real hell? Is is "HERE" on this planet in the eyes of every starving child in all the suffering.
Almost all of you have lived and died and lived and died and lived and died time and time again. It's about time you woke up and realized who you really are.
It's always the same stinking thing. Last time many of you where all outraged in Egypt when the concept of one deity was introduced and now this. You replaced the ankh with the cross and when you "cross yourself" you are supposed to create the temple - a pyramid! The house. The vessel is the house of the lord. Your mind/soul, heart and body. WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN!? So many life times... wasted...
We're talking about the dark ages here, not many records were held, but the Saxons weren't really keen on conversion, and there were many rebellions, so probably a whole lot, i think thousands of executions and the destruction of the entire saxon culture.
>Besides that, have you read the book "summoning the gods" ?
Why is this some kind of meme around here?
First of all, there are two Eddas. No one knows who wrote the Poetic Edda. We simply don't know.
The Christian you are mentioning is Snorri. He wrote down the Prosse Edda, he didn't write it. The only thing he wrote was the preface. The poetry in there has been analyzed by many scholars, and its genuinely pre-Christian and authentic. Snorri was writing down oral poetry that still survived in his day.
Ah shit. See what you made me do? So many typo's so little time.
>There is no hellfire! Stop misleading people dammit!
>"DEATH" is tailored specifically to the individual. If you think you'll go to hell you'll go to hell. Not a general hell, but your own inner hell of guilt. Everyone creates an inner world within themselves because we have a spark of the divine within us. The soul is free to do what it wants. The positive, the negative or a bit of both.
>All this "INTENSE" stupidity is leading you nowhere folks.
>The moment the facts start rolling in the charade is going to vanish like a bad fart. All the religious idiots will realize that they have done "NOTHING" absolutely "NOTHING" for their spirituality, they simply devolved and moved away from GOD as farrrrrrrrr as humanly possible.
>You know where's the real hell? Is is "HERE" on this planet in the eyes of every starving child in all the suffering.
>Almost all of you have lived and died and lived and died and lived and died time and time again. It's about time you woke up and realized who you really are.
>It's always the same stinking thing. Last time many of you where all outraged in Egypt when the concept of one deity was introduced and now this. You replaced the ankh with the cross and when you "cross yourself" you are supposed to create the temple - a pyramid! The house. The vessel is the house of the lord. Your mind/soul, heart and body. WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN!? So many life times... wasted...
I'm the one that's being autistic?
Listen to yourself
Evropa belongs to Christ's kingdom!
Pagan heathens do not belong
I-I'm sorry Julian.
Fuck that hit me hard.
I'm a Catholic and it's really hard for me to study the Romans and Rome sometimes.
I'm just not feeling this whole Christ thing. He just doesn't fit into the European mentality.
Anyhow, Julian was based as fuck, even if you are a Christian you have to admire the man who tried to save his Empire from downfall but in vain.
>well there were attempts of an unified roman pagan religion as early as 4th century, how succesfull it was was debateable
Of course, Christianity expanded on what Rome did for a time until the collapse of Rome and Christians would be stupid to forget that but the Christians handled conversions and teaching morality so much better than the forced conversions and warfare of the previous romans. Catholicism focuses on an inward transformation rather than legalistic ones so it's naturally more effective for people, as well. It's the core reason why Christianity did so well at unifying Europe and others in the world now.
Plus, if you read The Great Titration, you'll learn that Christianity aided greatly to the coming of the scientific revolution. The idea of a rational god that gives things purpose allowed for scientific determinism to take hold within the people.
butt-mad paganfag detected.
you heathens have been our bitch for centuries.
Christianity used and abused Diocletians system which enabled centralized authority, the reasons pagans failed to unify while christian could was the fact that few decades after Diocletian you had constantine.
basically Christianity unified europe thanks to the reforms of a pagan emperor who persecuted them, the irony is sound
had julian was not strucked by a persian spear, he could just so use those same system to unify paganism. Mind you recent scholarship estimates only 10% of Roman Empire was Christian under Constantine and it became 51% only after Justinians time.
>Christianity used and abused Diocletians system which enabled centralized authority,
Could you explain this to me? Particularly with how Europe was united well after the collapse of the Roman empire?