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Are Women 2nd Class Citizens?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/08/opinion/pregnant-and-no-civil-rights.html?smid=fb-share

Now that Republicans have won the mid-term election, will it lead to more legislation promoting the status quo: that currently, women in the USA are 2nd class citizens.
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>women in the USA are 2nd class citizens
But that's wrong
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>>38432418
>promoting the status quo

It won't matter if democrats were literally kings of america, they would still feel like victims
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>>38432418
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>>38432418
lurk more, cunt
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I applaud the escalation of decay in america.
Republicans can bring the dreams of the left, democrats are far more dangerous to the left
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>>38432440
How so?

>Do men walk at night feeling afraid of being raped?

>Do men get told what to do with their bodies?

>Are men pressured to look a certain way?

No, no and no. But in Tennessee, for example, a woman can't get an abortion, therefore, she can't do what she wants with her body. So yes, women are 2nd class citizens.
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>>38432523
Men are pressured to look a certain way, and the other 2 things you listed are subjective and highly skewed perspectives.
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>>38432523
>>Do men walk at night feeling afraid of being raped?
More men are raped in America than women are.
>>Do men get told what to do with their bodies?
Yes. If you don't work out, you don't get laid. Fat guys and thin nerds always get mocked and bullied for not being "manly" enough.
>>Are men pressured to look a certain way?
Above. Look at all the male models and all the male porn actors.

Tell me how women are 2nd class citizens again? Even the BLS have published studies saying that if you make things all equal between a man and a woman (don't marry, don't have children, same job, same hours), you erase the pay gap.
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>>38432418
>boys have their genitalia excruciatingly mutilated at birth
>it's illegal to do this to girls
>women are second class citizens

lel, no.

>>38432523
>>Do men get told what to do with their bodies?
>>no
>>she can't do what she wants with her body

See above.

>a woman can't get an abortio
>boo hoo, I can't kill my baby regardless of the father's feelings!

>actually believing that this compares to sexual mutilation
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>>38432577
>>38432630
>>38432633

Is that your feels or do you actually have factual data to back this up?
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>>38432656
Do you have "facts" backing that a fetus is not a person, or is that an opinion?
Do you have "facts" backing that men don't fear rape, or is that an opinion?
Do you have "facts" backing that men don't feel the need to appear appealing to women just like women do for men?
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>>38432523
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>>38432656
>Is that your feels or do you actually have factual data to back this up?

Are you retarded? You've never heard of circumcision?

>feminists
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democrats need dat woman voter

They will never stop dreaming up grievances
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>>38432656
Google male rape in the US
Find studies done by the Bureau of Labor Statistics on the pay gap
Fucking watch TV and porn and look at all the hunks on TV and the internet
You have fucking Christiano Ronaldo and David Beckham showing their fucking cocks on billboards ffs.
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Saying a woman is a 2nd class citizen because she can't walk at night without being raped is stupid.

1. Very subjective and irrational, because such a small minority of all men are rapists. She probably has a higher chance of getting into a car accident on the way to work, getting a speeding ticket on the way, spilling hot coffee on herself, or being fired. But nobody wakes up worrying about those things and thinking their fear makes them 2nd class citizens.

2. If a white man says "when I walk down the street I'm afraid a black person might rob me", the statistical likelihood is higher than that a woman will be raped. But everyone would say you're a bigot and racist, even if your fear is perfectly reasonable, probable, and makes more statistical sense than generalizing all men as rapists.
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>>38432476
Wow. Pregnant women's liberties and civil rights need to be upheld under any circumstance. The fact that an unborn child's "personhood" is overriding an actual woman's rights is disgusting.

How can anyone not be supportive of this OP ed and it's message?
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>>38432523
>Do men walk at night feeling afraid of being raped?
If you would take advantage of your states concealed carry laws you wouldn't feel afraid either.
>Do men get told what to do with their bodies?
You mean like getting sent to die in wars?
>Are men pressured to look a certain way?
Yes.

But in Tennessee, for example, a woman can't get an abortion, therefore, she can't do what she wants with her body.

you also can't smoke indoors...you're clearly only concerned with a small group of issues which you think interfere with your personal freedoms...you could give a shit about anyone elses
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>>38432843
*Cristiano

But point is well taken. Why don't fat and unfit men model? It's unrealistic to expect men to look like professional athletes and Abercrombie models (who like female models, are photoshopped). But all girls have posters of those kind of models in their rooms and consider them ideal.
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>>38432418
this article deliberately conflates circumstances where the state infringed on the woman's constitutionally guaranteed right to abortion pre-24 weeks, and circumstances where the state protected the foetus post-24 weeks, at which point the law (and people in general) says that it is a person.

Saying that the courts shouldn't be able to stop a woman taking heroin while pregnant because some asshole judge in Louisiana decided to imprison a woman taking cough medicine (or whatever it was is like saying the cops shouldn't be allowed to arrest someone going 110mph in a 50mph zone because some asshole cop pulled over someone doing 52mph and beat the crap out of him.

Honestly, this article read as if the author has for the first time in her life found that America's out of control police state might impinge on her rights, and is suddenly outraged. Not outraged enough to change the justice system though - she just wants to remove the courts' power over this tiny little area that happens to affect her, and let them continue screwing everyone else (read: men) as normal.
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>>38432630
>>>Do men get told what to do with their bodies?
>Yes. If you don't work out, you don't get laid. Fat guys and thin nerds always get mocked and bullied for not being "manly" enough.

You forgot conscription. Being subject to the draft at any time is about the least freedom you can have over your body.

I do believe in "A women's right to choose", abortion has been shown to be socially beneficial in a number of ways. See Freakonomics' analysis of Roe V. Wade's effects on crime in the 90's. The issues raised by the article are isolated occurrences in a few republican controlled states. Women form the majority of the eligible voters in those states, voting as a bloc they could have elected pro choice governors but they didn't.

Anyway, even acknowledging abortion rights in hardcore red states women have far more rights than men. Custody rights, the ability to report rape and see it prosecuted, the right to not be seen as a predator. Hell, women can rape minors and then receive child support from them, without ever seeing the inside of a jail cell. Men are second class citizens.
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>>38432523
>Do men walk at night feeling afraid of being raped?
It's funny you go on about how "it's not safe for wymyn to walk the streets" when LITERALLY EVERY OTHER VIOLENT CRIME than rape targets male victims more.
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>>38433090
>constitutionally guaranteed right to abortion
No such thing.
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>>38433170
>every other violent crime

Men are raped more often as well.

>what is prison rape
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>>38433167
>Hell, women can rape minors and then receive child support from them, without ever seeing the inside of a jail cell.

What? That's the first I've heard of this, regarding child support.
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>>38432979
>>Do men walk at night feeling afraid of being raped?
>If you would take advantage of your states concealed carry laws you wouldn't feel afraid either.

Yep, concealed carry benefits women the most as it levels the playing field between larger and smaller people, but women overwhelming vote against it.

It's almost like women don't want to be responsible for protecting themselves. ...or for anything else actually.
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>>38432523
Men walk in fear of being violently attacked and robbed, a fear which is statistically far more likely to happen. Women fear walking alone at night largely because of the media. If women are afraid of being raped, they should be far more worried about the men they date.

Men are constantly told what to do. It's practically a wife's job to boss her husband around, and this is largely encouraged in the media.

Men are pressured to look a certain way, yes. But far more insidious is that men are pressured to act a certain way and think a certain way.
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>>38433266
A woman had sex with a 14 year old boy and then sued him for child support and won.

>muh soginy
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>>38432476
Makes an argument about muh Republicans
>'Increasingly'
>"How does all this play out?"
>lists examples from 1973 to 2005 completely unrelated to anything about now.
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>>38433266
we're talking about statutory rape here, but still, if the same standard was applied the other way around and a 15 year old girl was forced to pay a 34 year old man who'd fucked her and got her pregnant then the entire country would lose it's mind. Never mind the fact of a 34 year old statutory rapist being given custody of the child in the first place.
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>>38432418
>Screenshot
>1226x716
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>>38433266
Dude, lazy. This was 15 seconds with Google.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer

Chick banged an 8 year old (8 fucking years old!!), and got child support. Retroactive. Cause apparently his paper route made him enough to pay 800$ a month to his rapist.
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>>38432995
>Why don't fat men model?

Because it looks like shit, objectively speaking, a fact men tend to respect more than the need of support for their insecurities over their body size.
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>>38432418
God I hope so.
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>>38433510
My bad, he was 14, the 8 year old was a UK case. This is the American one.
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>>38432722
A fetus is not sapient. It is a parasite. Fact.
Men do not have vaginas, even the trannies. Fact.
Men don't have to shave and can still get laid. Fact.
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>>38432656
>Men would never rape another man for power or dominance purposes.
>Women would never shove foreign objects into the anuses of men for spite or revenge.
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>>38432523
>dat logical leap
It's scary that people as retarded as you exist
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>>38432960
>guaranteed replies
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>>38433556
>Men don't have to shave
>this somehow makes women oppressed

pictured: male privilege
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>>38433556
>A fetus is not sapient. It is a parasite. Fact.

This is easily the spergiest thing I've read online for quite some time. By that same autistic logic, a baby or a toddler is a "parasite" as well -- or an old person who is bedridden.
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>>38432418
>we're going to have two years of scaremongering clickbait articles about how republicants are going to reduce women to slaves
>all leading up to hillary
>she runs in a feminist platform and spouts debunked nonsense about the wage gap constantly
>mfw
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>stupid bait thread
Women are the niggers of gender.
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>>38433425
That is very fucked up. Ofcourse, the mentality is that all boys that age want it and the kid probably thought he was gonna get off with being a local legend.
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>>38433765
I'm glad they checked his privilege of being a male. Imagine being pregnant with a child of a fucking tattle tale. Kid got off easy.

>>38433726
It's not autistic to euthanize the old and broken in order for the world to make way for the new. Humanity doesn't have natural predators to stimulate a proper life cycle, so it has to be done manually.
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>>38433556
Holy god where do I start.

Sapience is a tricky thing. At what point does a fetus gain sapience? a third trimester fetus, behaviorally, is very similar to a newborn, so is infanticide a right? If you're going to argue the distinction between fetus and infant the more hard and fast distinction is survivability, can it survive without the mother. Hence the 24 week rule most places. Don't get me wrong, I support abortion, but making shitty arguments for it is more detrimental than just shutting the fuck up.

>men don't have vaginas, therefore, cannot be raped.
Let me put aside the typical feminist transphobia and address the reclassification of rape as a purely male-to-female crime: As much as women wish it were so, they are not the only ones who can be rape victims. In fact in the US men are the majority of rape vicitms (cause prison rape). Under feminist pressure the word has been redefined, legally, to exclude forced-to-penetrate female-on-male assults, which statistics (google yourself faggot) show are hugely under reported by males. Additionally, male-on-male forced penetration is rape too, and it's generally under reported as well due to the social stigma attached, and due to feminists attacking victims for coming forward on numerous occasions.

Finally, if "Men don't have to shave" to get laid, then women don't have to do a god damned thing to get laid. Even the ugliest, nastiest bitch can find someone to come fuck her, zero effort required, except maybe a few keystrokes or the hardship of dialing a phone. Dick, delivered.

Seriously, think of something besides yourself before you belittle the experiences of others. You are not a fucking special snowflake. Everyone has it as bad or worse than you do.
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Why do women have rights but little boys do not?
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>>38433765
honestly, I have mixed feeling about the judgement itself. I can kind of see the rationale for him paying for his kid when he's >18, since lets face it this wasn't an actual rape.

But the hypocrisy of it is amazing. Like I said, if the genders were reversed the guy would be a registered sex offender and not allowed within half a mile of the child, let alone be receiving child support.
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>>38433556
>A fetus is a parasite
oh sweet jesus you're a good goy
>Men do not have vaginas
what is ass rape?
>men don't have to shave and can still get laid
Women don't need to work out nearly as much to look good, they just need to not eat like pigs.
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>>38432418
>status quo: that currently, women in the USA are 2nd class citizens.
Rofl. What a stupid thing to believe.
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>>38434086
Okay, reverse the genders: a 34 year old man has sex with a 15 year old girl. Is it "actual rape" now? would it be treated as such? The boys victimhood and willing or unwilling participation are not so much the issue as the fact that women can get away with pretty much anything they want and come out of it smelling like a rose, when men would getting it from Jamal in state penitentiary for years, and be a registered sex offender for life.

Remember, feminists don't think women should go to jail for anything, ever. Not even multiple homicides.
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How to solve the problem:

1) No more birth certificates, now there are certificates of conception naming the father and mother.

2) In the case of abortion, the father is now liable for not protecting his kid

3) Companies can now sue the father for depreciating corporate assets by getting her pregnant
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>>38434251
Give it five years. The feminists will take care of parts one and two, and the corporatist republicans will take care of 3. It's a truly bi-partisan solution.
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>>38433556
Cool let's go down to the local hospital and turn off everybody's life support.
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>>38432418
"These are not isolated or rare cases. Last year, we published a peer-reviewed study documenting 413 arrests or equivalent actions depriving pregnant women of their physical liberty during the 32 years between 1973, when Roe v. Wade was decided, and 2005. In a majority of these cases, women who had no intention of ending a pregnancy went to term and gave birth to a healthy baby. This includes the many cases where the pregnant woman was alleged to have used some amount of alcohol or a criminalized drug"

less than 500 times in 30 years is barely ever you fucking retard
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>>38434315
If it weren't for the laws in place, go for it. It would save tax payers and the health care industry trillions.
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So are you guys actually saying that the decision to have an abortion should be made between a woman and her rapist?
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>>38434348
>"This includes the many cases where the pregnant woman was alleged to have used some amount of alcohol or a criminalized drug"

Waaaah I should be allowed to smoke meth and give my child fetal alcohol syndrome.
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>>38434581
>all pregnancies are rape.
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>>38432523
Playing the victim everywhere they go. "i don't feel safe... it's a mans fault. I'm oppressed because of my opinion.'

it's easy to play the victim card for women, so they do. Doesn't mean anything is true, they are just nurtured to be delicate flowers growing up. Then when they realize people don't give a fuck about them, muh soggy knees.

a white guy can walk through a black neighborhood and say he doesn't feel safe, that shits racists. But a woman doesn't feel safe? awwwww hugs.
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>>38432523
>But in Tennessee, for example, a woman can't get an abortion, therefore, she can't do what she wants with her body. So yes, women are 2nd class citizens.

That baby's body is half of the man's body. You're lucky he doesn't kill you in self-defense if you try to abort.

Know your shit before you play mental gymnastics. I'm an Olympic medalist.
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>>38432523

1) Thugs, muggers and rapists tend to prowl the streets at night. Personal safety at night isn't a female-only issue.

2) Many men in the US are circumcised at birth, thereby permanently and irreversibly altering their genitalia AND depriving them of any right to a decision over it.

Anti-abortion legislation is not "telling you what you can do with your body". Technically it's the opposite.

3) Yes. If you argue that men are not pressured to look and act a certain way, and aren't idealized in media that targets women, you are literally stupid.
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>>38434581
1/10
made me respond
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reminder that feminism has accomplished its goals for decades now and subsequent 4th, 5th, Xth waves of feminism will continually need to invent new "issues" like microaggressions and verbal rape in order to stay relevant.
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>>38434581

The father should have as much of a right to a decision in an abortion as a mother, provided the pregnancy is a result of consensual sex.

In fact, how about this: If the father wishes for an abortion and the mother does not, the father may choose to waive all parental rights and obligations, including both visitation rights and child support.

I think that's fair.
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>>38432476

But feminists would rather complain about 'objectification' or whatever other critical theory bullshit they learned about in college.
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I would almost feel sorry for women if they hadn't ruined the world with their stupidity. It's very obvious from just a very basic observation that feminism was pushed by governments and corporations to both consolidate power and labor.
>Companies and governments push for women to work and vote
>Double to supply of labor
>Costs of labor goes down drastically
>Women are incredibly easy to pander to politically
>Double the amount of irrational voters
It's especially pathetic that so many women seem to believe that they weren't free in the 1950s because they were expected to stay at home, and that they are somehow free now because they are expected to work. Arbeit Macht Frie.
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>>38435728
And a woman could force a man to get a vasectomy?
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