Okay /pol/ WHO THE FUCK ARE WE?
I realize that this will probably not actually resolve anything but let's set a fuck baseline for christ's sake
Green Suit is homemade while the other stuff is imported. Just rather annoying to find more Green Suit OC since we have no drawfags.
/new/s man belonged to /new/, and although technically one and the same, /pol/ deserves distinct self-identity.
Edgy suit nazi guy reminds me of George Lincoln Rockwell so he get's my vote.
And end up with the exact same result?
I say shave edgy black suit. Slick his hair back so that he looks like Rockwell, and call it a night
The third reich didn't just adopt the imperial tricolor
This is the thing.
We don't have that many -quality- drawfags, and the ones we do have are few in number.
The thing about this decision isn't just how we make it, but how other boards end up drawing it when we get included in shit.
A good example is /v/ in pic related. Most people know the white ball headed guy, but there was a time where people were drawing this because /v/ didn't say much about it.
The only tans that we actually made on /n/ /new/ and /pol/ were the ones that resemble the news guy. He started with a green suit/hat and sandwich board but eventually lost those and gained a black suit and slicked hair when /new/ became /pol/. Those versions are truest to our limited board OC. At some point, another board introduced the unshaven kid. It may look kind of similar, but what makes it different from anything we actually produced is the neckbeard. This has gotten muddled and confused over the years, with the neckbeard being added to tans that resemble /new/sguy, etc. Bottom line: lose the unshaven look, clean up the hair, think less anime kid and you've got what was once /pol/-made OC rather than the /v/ version.
The nature of bitching about political topics means we don't have tons of drawn OC. Although we are pretty decent at shopping Ben Garrison.
>black suits can only be worn by one person ever.
>all black suits are alike
We can't use /new/sman either because he wears a fedora which looks like /co/, and has a suit, like /b/. He needs to wear some totally new clothes or he's not original
Trap, and because no matter how hard /a/ wants to, they aren't a little girl.
Can we please at least get rid of the sloppy hair and neckbeard? The basic character is fine, but the unshaven tan looks way too fedora. Keep the base features, just clean him up, age him a bit, and replace the vest and fedora with a black suit. Less brony meetup guy more Gestapo wannabe.
But that isn't how it fucking works in anime or manga. In manga, if a boy wants to be a little girl, they are a little girl (sometimes they don;t even get a say in the matter
That's part of the joke, it works for anime and manga, just not in reality like /a/ would like.
mfw im more english than robert is italian.
All the animals come out at night - whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets. I go all over. I take people to the Bronx, Brooklyn, I take 'em to Harlem. I don't care. Don't make no difference to me. It does to some. Some won't even take spooks. Don't make no difference to me.
~ Travis Bickle, Taxi Driver (1976).
June twenty-ninth. I gotta get in shape. Too much sitting has ruined my body. Too much abuse has gone on for too long. From now on there will be 50 pushups each morning, 50 pullups. There will be no more pills, no more bad food, no more destroyers of my body. From now on will be total organization. Every muscle must be tight.
~ Travis Bickle, Taxi Driver (1976).
drawfag from the last thread (I feel bad calling myself that, as I haven't actually posted any drawfag stuff yet, but don't worry, I'll deliver tomorrow. Swear on me mum).
Anyway, if people here have better ideas for a tan than the one's we've got now, feel free to post em and I might be able to flesh out some of them by tomorrow night. It's not like drawing some new character is any harder than drawing the existing characters.
There should be an avatar for old /pol/, which is virtually gone, and current /pol/, which would be whatever shit meme you guys choose for yourselves.
This used to be my home board, I was here for its creation.... But it changed over time. Became a shithole basically. We fought the communists, the stormfags (who also helped found it, can't deny it), then the JIDF scare came along, soon after SRS came as well. Then as things started to go completely to shit we didn't really have a single enemy. I remember when we were united against zionism. But this place is lost. Too much newfaggotry, cancer, and disinfo.
The only thing that I'm proud of about this board is that freedom of speech is still the thing.
have hope for the future guys.
Listen guys, /pol/-tan should be a cartoonized version of this picture.
>just not in reality like /a/ would like.
but board-tans aren't reality
Get rid of the neckbeard and the black suit is golden.
Havent seen it in a while, but the only tan i liked for /pol/ was the one with the farmer looking guy that had the straw hat and the smug face.
that was the real /pol/. at least the old /pol/
Sure, but either way, that's the joke.
That's exactly what we're looking for, suit and all.
This is it. Preferably with a tan suit instead of a black one. The tan suit seems more 50s-ish, which is the vibe we're going for. Hell, the pipe is great too.
Have you fucking niggers even seen Taxi Driver?
Are you all 12?
>that slight blue iris
I'm kind of flipflopping on the idea of him being tanned with red eyes. Probably just keep him white though. Also why the fuck is the background Yotsuba blue?
>everything is what it looks like
that's some unlearnracism.ca level faggotry bullshit. We're sticking with the gestapo suit, and you're just going to have to live with being associated with /b/ for it
There is no "we", faggot.
/pol/ is not a hivemind.
/pol/ is not an echo chamber.
/pol/ is not a hugbox.
You speak your mind and you best be prepared to defend it no matter what your status in life.
I'm a leftist-liberal socialist 1/2 Tatar 1/2 Dutch Muslim and I do just fine on this board. I enjoy it a lot. I'm welcome here, but I have to be prepared to fight for my beliefs if I get into a conversation.
I like the way this thread is going. We're more organized here about our image then about the winter ball.
So far it seems that the edgy black suit is winning. A modified version of the one /co/ made with a older looking, broader shouldered, shaven and 50's gentleman type of look.
When the draw guy finally delivers tomorrow (hopefully( we should take it to /co/ to make our official declaration of our image as a board-tan.
These two are the nicest images of /pol/-tan I've seen.
Ok, this is going to sound autistic (and it is) but seeing that edgy black suit is the clear winner, we need a new poll to vote on the details (unshaven vs clean shaven etc) because from the looks of it, people think the neckbeard ruins the black edgy suit guy (I agree - way too fedora) and much prefer the cleaned up version
Robert DeNiro or the character he's playing?
Bickle was an absolute crackpot. Insane to his core. He was a stalker, he spoke to himself, he had childish tantrums, and he was a complete loner.
He tried and failed at everything he did except killing the pimp and his cronies.
It isn't a /v/ermin abortion dressed up as a supreme gentleman at least
Why wasn't /loq/ included in the poll?
Or any of the other good ones we've seen?
>black tie and suit
>not screaming gestapo
you have brain issues if you can't associate those things.
fair enough, but we can't exactly browse during work either so give it a full 24 hours
>people think the neckbeard ruins the black edgy suit guy (I agree - way too fedora) and much prefer the cleaned up version
The cleaned up version is fucking boring. It's like a 14 year old's idealized fantasy.
>Point is, the black edgy suit looks awesome clean shaven, stupid unshaven.
b-but I agree on that point. What were we arguing again?
Fuck it I have sleep to attend to.
/loq/ is wierd and more just a joke than a personification
/pol/ doesn't want to look like a little girl. Hitlerinna is more for /pol//a/cks
I motion for a slight change. Add a combover for hair and aviators in a sort of Jim Jones look. It helps represent our various happenings.
aviators are for plebs. /pol/-tan would need to look more like Roger Smith. In fact, isn't this pretty much what we're going for?
i watched that last night.
I both agree and disagree. I like the clean cut and we should all just vote on one but I like the goatee unshaven look. It makes him look more disheveled about the happening which never ends for him.
No, it just screams Nazified /b/. Unless he's got the trousers and buttoned jacket, the whole Gestapo connection won't be found except among the people in these threads. A tan suit and a pipe along with an armband differentiates us from everyone else enough to be uniquely /pol/.
But sure, keep on believing a black suit and tan shirt will make everyone who sees our mascot think "OH WOW, GESTAPO XD"
Put your vision of /pol/-tan next to /b/-tan in your head, and then come back with a reply.
That's why I like Green Suit - he's got the most character.
Every one know's the edgy character is lame, who the fuck is voting for him? How many 14 years olds are up at 3AM on Saturday night?
Let's all pitch some money in and commission a /pol/tan drawing from either A. Wyatt Mann or Ben Garrison.
It... has effort at least.
At least you tried anon, so that counts.
I'm sure as the image gets better development we might see more than just black suits.
Good job though.
I dunno man. It's just obviously made to appeal to /pol//a/cks
people in various threads. I think a GG thread before GG was b&, and a few more times during the tumblr war
A lot of the board-tan's work (and are accepted) because they're not afraid to run with the perceptions that other boards have of them.
/pol/ saying that their personification is a good looking, clean-cut man in a suit reeks of wish-fulfillment.
Damn it I'm supposed to be asleep right now... Anywho, just wanted to prove I'd deliver.
Nothing serious, just me messing around with things I've heard suggested.
>Slicked back hair.
>Shaved the hobo beard.
The pipe made me think of a 50s dad, so thats what I did. Again, not serious, but just something to toss around for fun.
>. He started with a green suit/hat and sandwich board
that history is inaccurate and you're a huge faggot to say that /new/ was originally green suit. i will however, agree that green suit is /pol/'s version of their tan because green suit started on /pol/. /new/-tan is a bit controversial because it never started on 4chan's /new/ either. in fact it was created about a month after the board got deleted, as you can check on the 4chanhouse /char/ page and compare it to the day that /r9k/ and /new/ got deleted.
but the black haired character was mentioned on the site where all the /new/ and /r9k/ users wandered off to. the chon site had a /meta/ board and in the beginning there was a bit of discussion with board history. there were /n/ users there that pretty much explained origins of the board users.
>I dunno man. It's just obviously made to appeal to /pol//a/cks
I don't go to /a/ so the appeal is lost on me I'm afraid.
The one in the lead certainly is.
but -tans are an ancient and hallowed tradition, going all the way back to the early parts of the 3rd millennium.
This guy gets it.
Fits for the part of the board that endlessly decries all fun as degenerate.
Its about the reference. Plus they're also popular in the images of Hunter S. Thompson, Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver, and Bill Kilgore from Apocalypse Now - which all help consolidate our board's image via Hunter's approach to journalism or the disjointed nature of Kilgore and Bickle..
/int/ tried to pass burdo off as their -tan yesterday. At least we're trying to put effort into shit and care about our image.
It looks good, but the sweater vest does not really look... /pol/. Also it needs a 4chan clover somewhere or a /pol/ mark. This signifies it's a board-tan.
>/int/ tried to pass burdo off as their -tan yesterday.
If /int/ gets Spurdo we get Spider Jerusalem.
What's good about the green suit newsman is that he doesn't really fit in anywhere and he's really loud and annoying. That's why I think we should just update him
This is perfect. I think it captures /pol/ exactly. And it goes with what this guy was saying >>37112030
It makes us look like some old-time, boring conservatives but we also look clean and on the ball, so to speak.
>Good point. He looks like he's seem some shit.
And that is part of the joke that I don't want to lose with the whole clean cut Adonis look. We all have to admit we are a bit of a odd and frazzled bunch. I mean look at us we are up at 3 am either talking about the happening (which is always) or about a cartoon going to a fictional Halloween party. If we go clean cut we seem like we can't even poke fun at ourselves.
Also we have such a rep with this persona from GG, Ebolachan, random OC, and our /new/ ancestry why not embrace him.
If anything we should at least keep the red hate filled eyes. You gotta admit hatred is pretty personified on /pol/. And in almost all the art his eyes express it the most. I mean this in the most endearing way.
How about blue/red argyle? Representing both left-wing and right-wing /pol/itics.
Once we have a solid image for ourselves, we can combine it with /x/-tan and start to really show our quality images over /v/'s stupid spam of poorly done line art.
Any news from the front line soldier?
Just in case you missed the #1 post of this thread.
-tans aren't supposed to be only how you see yourself
>If anything we should at least keep the red hate filled eyes. You gotta admit hatred is pretty personified on /pol/. And in almost all the art his eyes express it the most. I mean this in the most endearing way.
How about bags under the eyes are well? And would five o' clock shadow/stubble be a fair compromise between neckbeard and clean-shaven? I think both work with the "seen some shit" image.
You need purple in there, for both UKIP and the Libertarian party.
Perhaps moot IP banned the entire continent and that's why /pol/ has been so much better since #GamerGate?
So a disheveled, worn-out version of >>37112207 would do?
I dig that a lot. Put down stubble, messed up hair, and circles under the eyes, but keep him looking confident and with a disgusted look on his face.
Now he's starting to sound like good 'ol /new/-tan.
If you're gonna go in that direction, let the stubble/neckbeard grow into a full (but short and well groomed) beard to show our board's progress. (if not maturity.)
I wanna see that now, but in the way I want to see a train wreck. I kinda like 50's dad /pol/.
No, /x/-tan has a monopoly on red eye(s). That's part of what makes her distinct. We should just give /pol/-tan a frenzied expression of disgust when the OC calls for it.
I disagree. The board tan has to look disheveled somehow.
>we can fix up the edgy nazi
originally the board tan is not even suppose to be edgy. he's just paranoid with racism and antisemitism thrown in.
Keep up the good work soldier. Report anything that might come in handy.
It is whatever your little hate filled heart desires little anon.
I'm a Georgia boy who took a nap mid day and now regrets it.
We can make him a disheveled classic 50s wannabe without giving him the brony meetup neckbeard.
Take the cleaned up black-suit-meets-newsguy and add some 5 o'clock shadow and dark circles under his eyes.
Were playing dress up now.
Clothing first, then I'll fix his lady shoulders.
I'm just splattering ideas I hear onto the canvas, not final. Personally I'm partial to the sweatervest, but I figured I'd try to cover a few bases. Editing sweatervest now with
ideas. Disheveled sweater dad. incoming.
See this is where I disagree with you. >>37112207 is a great image but even adding the unkempt faults (love the dark circles idea btw) he still is more glorified as what WE think of ourselves over what others see us as. That is why I feel that >>37109566 needs to be the status quo. It really is a great personification on how the world views us.
Like we have to be honest with ourselves. Everyone. EVERYONE thinks we are nazis and glorify Hitler. And yeah we kind of do.
Everyone thinks we flood other boards with our shit and annoy them with or spin on things, happening alerts, and hate posting. And yeah we kind of do.
Everyone thinks we are uncompromising about things we are passionate about and never back down. Even when others view it as hateful or wrong. Fuck. Yes. We. Do.
This character has faults. But they are endearing faults. You never draw your wrinkles on your self portrait. But those wrinkles are what makes you who you are. They define the face. And it's our face and we should learn to like it. And even with all these faults that other boards see in him... he will still always be right in the end and he knows it.
I hope this didn't sound as after school special as I am hearing it in my head.
I agree with you on every point...
except I think that /pol/ is right again Green Suit guy, with the sandwich board and the press fedora, is the best personification of us.
But you're right about what it is about your favorite that makes it work. The "edgy" version strips away all that.
Hey 39% is still the majority hommie. We just gotta keep fighting for the the goatee and stubble. /co/ is my other home so I will fight to the death for good character design.
Maybe this? Just about everything is on 4chanhouse.
Goddamn, it's almost perfect.
He just needs an on-edge/unhinged look to him. Like lots of other people were saying, make him disheveled and make his facial expression more malicious.
Kill yourself, fucking newfag.
The things is, you guys are wrong. A lot of the other board-tans ARE glorified versions of themselves. At least a little bit. Why should we make ourselves look like crazy NEETS in suits?
Take a look at /co/, /ck/, /lgbt/, /po/, /sp/, /soc/. Even /x/ gets to be a sexy af paranoid girl. And /v/ has that clean, cheeky cartoon. When you think of /v/'s real demographic that is a pretty good step-up.
>Why should we make ourselves look like crazy NEETS in suits?
>Take a look at /co/,
WHO'S A CRAZY NEET IN A SUIT!!
I agree with you completely, but pic related.
You know it's funny, /lgbt/'s version of /pol/ was kind of the wish fulfillment version.
A lot of /pol/acks who joined between the first two great /lgbt/ raids preferred /polgbt/-tan because they didn't know the origin and he looked good.
But /pol/ believes itself to be a community of realists dealing with real-world events and problems, so a realistic portrayal would reflect our outlook and way of thinking moreso than an idealistic version.
/co/'s just stems from a process of design.
From the ordinary green anon, to a blue anon with a red mask, to blue anon with a red mask and suit, to pic related.
It's not that it's self fulfillment, but that they just made connections through designs that seemed like fun to draw.
I like the ideas is this thread. Some new ones have been created and some old ones confirmed. I feel like what will eventually emerge in OC will be the closest we can get to consensus, some kind of aggregation of the new and old ideas. Somewhere in between newsguy the edgy suit guy and the newer, slightly cleaner but still disheveled guy. Something of other boards' perspectives but also taking himself too seriously. And perhaps the fact that the tan will never quite have the exact same haircut or clothes will be a fitting reflection on our constant disagreement.
I disagree. I can give you counter points to each but let's just take /co/ who is a great example and flesh some things out. /co/ started out a Mary Sue, who was super cool, debonair, handsome, ect. But that was again a self portrait. They are the board with the most drawfriends. And now look at modern /co/ now that the character has actually been fleshed out. Most drawfriends depict him a quite down and out, tired of tumbler shit >>37113464, secretly furry (related), nostalgic for what once was and never will be again, and most importantly with all these evens now blending together and making /co/ a generally upset board they now openly admit it is no longer "love."
It is 4am and I am tried. I don't follow. You want a little girl pol? How about a chibi one instead? 4chan house has a good amount of that.
>It is 4am and I am tried. I don't follow. You want a little girl pol? How about a chibi one instead? 4chan house has a good amount of that.
It was a joke.I prefer the one that you mentioned.
>You want a little girl pol? How about a chibi one instead?
That would mean we could ask out the male board tans!
And use #notyourshield!
And finally be able to freak out /lgbt/ instead of the other way around!
I disagree. I feel like the buttoned vest look is too similar to /new/. The sweater vest should stay, and should stay red. It's in the same cultural vein as /new/'s buttoned vest, but is also fresh and distinctly /pol/'s idea. The whole 50's conception of our tan represents /pol/ perfectly: young but aged-looking, and glorifying the good old days with his outfit. He just needs more vitriol and less grooming at this point.
Ah. Sorry. I have trouble with text sarcasm.
Eh the goatee works well with the stubble, just not on its own.
Oh hey, the thread survived. Anywho, disheveled sweater version.
Regardless of how I feel about the clothes, I have to admit the face does feel more like /pol/ than the more put together guy.
>down and out
Like an anti-hero?
>tired of tumbler shit
That's a good thing.
That doesn't come across in his visual depiction. You can give /pol/ some background too but right now we're talking about his physical appearance.
>nostalgic for what once was and never will be again
Totally normal. Most people get like this. We don't need to visually castrate ourselves to prove it.
>it is no longer "love."
So it is just like every other board on 4chan? The horror.
/co/ still gets to be an athletic superhero while we would be stuck as disgruntled NEETS. The father-like guy in the sweatervest is perfect because it's not wish fulfillment and he does have his flaws (boring, "conservative") but he also looks clean and non-degenerate.
Hmmmmmm starting to look familiar. Are you the artist or just an editor? If so I really like your style. I could see this as future /pol/ after he got a wife and a few kids.
>Ebolachan: Papa! Papa! Teacher says that we are to learn about how the black slaves basically built america and are the cornerstone of society!
>/pol/: Hmmm.... *puffs on pipe* That's might degenerate honey. Looks like it's private school for you.
>EC: I love you papa!
>/pol/: I love you too sweetie.
Not sure whether I like the Red or the Argyle better, but I definitely like the face.
Seems to me that >>37113720 has the right idea though. With the face being that similar, I see this more as an outfit redesign than as a character redesign.
/co/ claims to be a superhero, but so far as anyone can tell, he never does any actual heroing. He runs a comic book shop, and likes to play dress up.
Anon, if you get time, might I make a simple request?
Take the Brownshirt here: >>37112877
Then do quick mock up with comb-over and aviators like stated here: >>37111636
If he's got to be scraggly too, that's fine.
Preferably a cigar instead of pipe but pipe is fine too.
Thank's, I'm just glad to contribute to the board.
>looks like he has a yarmulke on his head kek
Fuck now I can't unsee that.
I am indeed, I'm just getting lazy... 4am here. It seems like a lot of people have headed off to bed anyways, so I'll probably do the same in just a few minutes as soon as I get a general feel about which ideas to trash and which to continue with for tomorrow.
His fit is too good, and if we're gonna make him disheveled, his clothes can't fit too well. Make his vest longer (like down to his crotch) and make it fit a lot looser, and let his sleeves down, but don't button his cuffs so that they stay loose as well.
Agreed. But whoever makes it... lets work on the naming.
That and lets give all of the options. Like disheveled, clean cut, green, lgbtwet dream, blurface, and bag on head.
Fuck it, you're right
Edgy black suit guy is what everyone already sees us as
Brown undershirt and a red tie, but a press ticket in his chest pocket in remembrance of /new/ and to distance us from /b/-tan, and let's be done with this
It's actually rather simple.
If everyone sees us as one thing just propose the new design as a new outfit.
Boards like /tg/ have one central design, but it branches out into other looks.
Awesome work. And thanks for dealing with everyone's input.
Just my two cents - this sketch is perfect but it may easier to get the community to accept a revision of older designs rather than a complete revamp. You could try taking exactly what you have now but with some of the old black suit/nazi style (minus the old goatee) just to see how it looks. Anyway great job.
I too have a boner for aviators and cigars.
Will take into consideration for tomorrow.
I'd be glad to do this again tomorrow. We can run a proper poll with options for the character. I'll keep an eye on /pol/ tomorrow. Not going anywhere, so I should be around whenever I'm called upon.
Thank you kindly, and I'll be sure to remember the bit about reworking old designs. It feels like we're moving back towards the older ones anyways, which is fine. Whatever /pol/ want, /pol/ shall get.
Alright niggers, I'm going to bed. Auf wiedersehen
I dunno, sunglasses and cigar look good but they speak "businessman" instead of "50's father".
>I'd be glad to do this again tomorrow.
Good, I've been out all weekend, I'm staying in tomorrow too. See you there.
i like him as well. he's a good humor character.
the thing is, i can't draw humor very well. i stick with drawing the original /new/pol/ tan because i am a sad person and sometimes