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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/01/us-china-russia-ukraine-idUSKBN0GW1TC20140901

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/china-warns-european-union-against-fresh-sanctions-russia-1463453
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>>35111279
Nice
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>>35111279
>EU
>not an US colony

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension
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>>35111279
The insect race grows stronger by the day...
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>"A political solution is the only way out"

Well its not like the EU does anything else besides talking.
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>>35111279
So fellow Yuropoors what do we now? What could china do if we go for more sanctions. What will ist do?
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>>35113299
nothing

yuropoor/USA/AUS vs russia/china

ez victory for murrica
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>China tries to punish US economically
>US moves industry to India and South America
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>>35113474
>Implying you can magically teleport factories
>Not knowing the Chinese have bought most of the world's gold using US debt for just this instance

It is like you are a retarded American.
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>>35113403
Kek

> Pretending like fighting two of three top militaries would be easy

Some folks are so deluded
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>>35113873
the yuropoors alone could deal with the ruskies whilst us murricans are busy dropping freedom on china
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Stfu China before you get btfo'd too
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>>35113403
>landwar in asia
>against a nuclear superpower
>against a larger army than your entire population
yea, just go ahead and try that...
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>>35112753
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>>35114393
If the US sanctions China, the US economy will fail.
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>>35114256
>Europe being able to beat the Russians alone
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>>35113873
you have no idea do you? holy shit, lol
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>>35114502
We are living gods, you filthy goy. With the protection of our Jewish gods, we are invincible. Heil Satan
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>>35113584
>buying gold with debt

i dont think you understand how this works m8
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>>35113403
>USA vs Russia/China

ftfy, yuros cannot into military
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>>35114502
America is invincible. Haven't you learned the lesson of history? America will live on forever, and no enemy can stand against it. Anyone who says otherwise is a defeatist or an agent for the communist islamo-judaic oppressor.
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Lets just say i am happy with my location on the world map.

Left side ocean and right side Germany.
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>>35114718
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-22/how-china-imported-record-70-billion-physical-gold-without-sending-price-gold-soarin
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>>35114741
DIdn't Vietnam, Cuba, Canada all beat you?
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>murrica pivots to asia
>mid east on fire
>russia into ukraine
>europe backs ukraine
>ultimatums galore
>[cold war intensifies]
>TAFTA sighned
>europe into rearmament and integration
>[ukranian war of independence intensifies]
>china sanctions on europe
>europe sanctions on china
>japan/vietnam/ASEAN/India into alliance with NATO
>we ww3 now
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>>35111279
If China throws a big enough fit, USA won't sanction Russia due to its economic ties with the PRC. We won't fight China, and they won't fight us, because we make too much money off each other. That might change in twenty years, but for now it just won't happen. Without 'Murrica, EU can't sanction shit. Even if they try, it won't matter. USA, China, and Russia will still be trading, and only the EU will lose financially.
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>>35111279

13% of US imports come from China. 80% of China's export revenue comes from the US.

>US decides to have its cheap plastic trinkets made somewhere else.
>China gets wrecked

China cannot economically punish the US, The US will drop China like it's hot if they so much as looks at the US wrong.
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>>35114808
>Vietnam
Depends on how you look it technically we won and achieved our goal but a year after we left commies took over and after all the dead americans in the end of the seems like a loss
>cuba
No that wasn't the us military it was a government backed cuban militia operating out of florida but yeah they got btfo
>Canada
No it was a draw
And technically it was the british empire
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>>35114726
>military
>implying nukes aren't the real way
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>>35111279

DEEP CONCERN OVER AT UNITED NATION INTESIFIES.

Gentlemen, we have the factions decided. Now, we wait for the end. Which will involv kiev falling and signing an hummiliating peace treaty while northern europe starves and freezes itself over lack of russian gas.
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>>35114924
India is not likely to side with anybody. They have strong ties with both China and the Russians (economically for China and militarily for Russia) and they have political ties with the US and Israel.

They might take the opportunity to remove the Pakistani Kebab though.
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>>35111279
MERICAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>35115034
We technically won Iraq too and look how that turned out

>>35115069
>Political ties with US and Israel
Vastly overestimating how important those are. You do realize India actually backed Russias Crimean seizure?
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>>35114644
Summer time is over Learn economics. U.S. economy wouldn't fall over shit China
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>>35115069
India are in an alliance with Japan against China. China has also poked itself into India and backs Pakistan, they are not friendly. Additionally, the Indian navy are heavily working the the Royal and French Navies. India would stand with us against Pakistan and China.
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>>35114661
Sir, I think I have an idea that initiation of a war with two massive nuclear states will not be "easy", ever.

America had trouble dealing with some bearded cave people in the middle east, that was with assistance of the world, including Russia.

So don't tell me that a US/NATO war against Russia/CHINA would be "easy".

You go now and play some more Call of Duty or Generals Zero hour ( easy mode), my little friend
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>>35111279
b-but, /pol/ told me that China would side with the US and invade Russia in any conflict!
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>>35114256
If Europe alone could easily defeat Russia, then why do they need NATO?
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>>35111279
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>>35115166
>You do realize India actually backed Russias Crimean seizure?
Not surprising since India itself likes seizing territory (see Sinhala and Western Bengal).

>Vastly overestimating how important those are.
Perhaps, but Modi seems to really like the Israelis.

>>35115200
They might stand against China but if the conflict was about Russia they would not. The Indian Armed Forces are mostly Russian equipt. And if China was involved with Japan India would have a perfect opportunity while the Chinese are distracted to engage in Kebab removal.
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>>35115200
Nope. India is first and foremost a Russian ally
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>>35115265
Exercises, shared tech. Basically united force = more force, RIDF
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>>35115229
Russia already bought the Chinese off with massive cheap gas deals and access to minerals.

China has what it wants from the Russians and has no real conflict of interest with them anymore.
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>>35115285
>>35115309
Its complicated, I'm assuming here that there would be 2 fronts in the war and we can't really say that China and Russia are anything more than allies of convenience at the moment.

Russia and India might be neutral to each other, as China and Russia are slight allies and India and China slug it out, with American and Japanese support.
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>>35114613
we are all gravely concerned
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>>35115014
>China cannot economically punish the US, The US will drop China like it's hot if they so much as looks at the US wrong
>mfw Murricans actually believe this
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>>35115265
no idea, they're people pleasers
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>>35114924
>>japan/vietnam/ASEAN/India into alliance with NATO

No, India is already with China on everything, plus BRICS alliance stronk m8. Japan will join for sure, Vietnam I actually have no idea, and ASEAN know they will get fucked if they join either sides, so no cooperation.

Only Japan, by the way the Russian alliance military sphere is more powerful than the US one. Russia/China/Brazil/India, etc will fuck up the yuropoors and give the US a good fight.
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>>35115395
But that's the thing.
They aren't neutral.
India is very Pru Russia
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ooOOOOooOOOoo we're so scared

come at us fuckers, i fucking dare you
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>>35115381
So they couldn't defeat Russia without NATO then?
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>>35115395
>we can't really say that China and Russia are anything more than allies of convenience at the moment

You havn't been keeping up with the news. Xi Jinping said that "I and Putin are very similar men" and both the Russians and Chinese are pushing the idea of Russo-Chinese friendship.

They have already removed all barriers to trade with each other declaring "of course this is much easier for our Chinese friends" (Putin on trade deals).
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>Implying the kikes would ever allow the chinks or Ruskies to touch their white people
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Lel all you have to do is light a match in a polluted Chinese city then the whole city will explode because the pollution
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>>35111279

and what are they going to do about it?

they have nothing to bargain with

>>35115229

what the fuck are you going on about, if anything /pol/ has a chink fetish where china is going to take over the world
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>>35113403
Eventual victory? Yes
Easy? lel no
America and co would "win" in the end, but they'd be worn to the nub, kind of like it was for the Allies after WWI. The only winner would be Switzerland or someone that didn't get involved.
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>>35115460
Vietnam is very favourable to the Russians but hates the Chinese.
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>>35115398
The only reason US( and EU) deals with China because they have access to cheap workers. You'll never make amerifat to work for $5 a day.
Without that china would be irrelevant as fuck.
They can try to get their troops across the ocean with their whole 3 carriers.
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>>35115569
>what the fuck are you going on about, if anything /pol/ has a chink fetish where china is going to take over the world

Nope /pol/ is full of MERICA STRONK faggots.
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>>35115555
Shit, quads confirm for Chinese Russian CoDominion?

>tfw living in Russian Federal Oblast of Bongland under benevolent Russya backed by PRC
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>assuming the US goes defensive in any conflict we will always win.
China ain't gonna do shit. They need us much more than we need them.
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>>35115398

china's entire economy is based on exporting garbage to the US

as is, they are shit at that now because shitholes like Bangladesh and Vietnam are cheaper than china now

tell me, what can china possibly do to hurt the US? The only thing they have is the recent gazpom deal but that's not going to be enough to satisfy their demand for oil
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>>35115014
fucking this

china's wages are already rising and we're already shifting production elsewhere

they fucked up in hoarding the money they got by extorting their people and investing it into useless real estate. smarter countries like japan, taiwan and north korea used their "cheap plastic shit" money and invested it into higher technology production so that they stay relevant at higher wages

china is worthless once we pull production, what are they gonna do, sell chinese real estate? lmao
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>>35115208
oh come on. we make it hard on ourselves by pressuring the gubbermint with shit about not killing kids, among other things, so it makes it very difficult to get things done. they have to constantly be worried about not hurting civilians before they do anything, or theyll have the next journalist talking shit and causing a shitstorm back in america yet again. it was the same thing with nam. thats why we "lost."

i assure you that if no one gave a fuck (as isis done), america will would level the entire middle east with its navy over next weekend. russia would take a bit longer, and china a bit longer than that.

please dont delude yourself just because you couldnt see whats going on. push america beyond its safety zone, where were actually scared and not only worried about the safety of the country were trying to "liberate," and they will learn what fear means.
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>>35115652
>tfw engineer student
>tfw qt3.14 russian gf teaching me russian
>tfw also semi fluent in mandarin
Am I going to do well in the occupation government /pol/?
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>>35115543
They could, it would be tougher.
If you were a robber would you try to rob one person walking on the street or two?
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Vlad is going to take what he wants without any reprisals.

I really do not see the EU come in action,which can be a good or bad thing depending how you look at it.
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>>35111279
come on guys you really think china is going to fucking do anything?
theyre just trying to pretend to be buddies with their former soviet friends
facade
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>>35113474
Nope India already gave the middle finger to US, they are also BRICS, US last choice is Africa...NOPE China also owns the place.
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>>35113873
We have more aircraft carriers than every other country combined.

Doesn't matter how many soldiers they have, we have more firepower [spoiler]and secret weapons[/spoiler] than they have people.
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>>35115729
>Not knowing China has the largest Dollar reserves in the world

They have a lot of cash, they just hoard it.
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>>35115652

which is why we have threads on "why aren't you learning chinese yet /pol/?" and other trite

>>35115729

china fucked up mostly in 2008, instead of opting to ride the recession out like most other countries (implying the recession won't get worse, but just follow me) they went on a building binge and now their banks own mostly worthless property. This will send them into a much more severe recession and break their finances
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>>35115843
>which is why we have threads on "why aren't you learning chinese yet /pol/?" and other trite

Havn't seen one of those for months. USAIDF please keep up with the times.
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>>35115841

>They have a lot of cash, they just hoard it.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101854344

China's debt is 250% of GDP

they have US bonds, but no cash
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>>35115635
>The only reason US( and EU) deals with China because they have access to cheap workers.
This is already changing because of competition and the rising cost in china, their success is their downfall; western companies are looking elsewhere for lower cost, south America for example or they are fully automating production and bringing it back home, needing only a handful of skilled workers/engineers to maintain fully automated production lines.

One example is Philips, they fully robotized their electric shaver production and brought it back to Europe.
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>>35115895

china is just brazil 2 at this point

a decade of progress will lead to a decade of stagnation and collapse
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>>35115843
????????/pol/?

^_^
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>>35115034

Military victory =/= political victory. Lesson learned: Vietnam conflict
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>>35115841
>china has cash

top kek, they spent all their money on physical building and US bonds
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>>35115265

Because it's even better? Just because you can step on bugs with flip-flop doesn't mean you want a real pair of shoes.
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>>35115895
Chinese debt is owed to the Chinese Communist party.

Their debt is not structured like the Wests and it is silly to directly compare it.

Also, starting a war has always been the normal method for dealing with debt burnouts in economies (see why Hitler started WW2 and why Britain took over so much of Africa).
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>>35116092

>Chinese debt is owed to the Chinese Communist party.

and who staffs the Chinese government?

>starting a war has always been the normal method for dealing with debt burnouts in economies

yes, and their military is shit at everything too. The only reason China is respected at all is because of their handful of nukes
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>>35115841
>hoarding money is a smart investment

HOLY SHIT, I BETTER DIG UP THAT BOX OF $100 I BURIED 5 YEARS AGO

I BET IT'S WORTH AT LEAST $1000 NOW
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>>35111279
No where in those articles does it say that china warned the US.
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>>35116092

>Chinese debt is owed to the Chinese Communist party.


and it's still debt, which when it goes bad means that their banks get fucked over

China gets to choose between bailing out their banks (to such an extent hyperinflation would occur) or letting them all fail and getting a depression.
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>>35116092
The biggest owner of U.S. debt is the U.S., so it actually sounds like it's the same set up
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welp, time to invest in gold
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>Just as stupid as buying gold

MUH DIVIDEND
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>>35116309
never invest in gold
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>>35116204
>and their military is shit at everything too
pretty sure that doesn't matter in war when they outnumber you 200 to 1
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>>35116294

technically US debt is purchased by banks and not political parties

for example, JPMC owns a fuckload of treasury bonds but the Democratic Party does not. Obviously the former funds the latter but the point is that there is more abstraction between the debtowners and debtissuers
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>>35111279

>China warns the EU
Nice hyperbole there, faggot.

But I am surprised, as the Chinese would be the main benefactors of such sanctions. Well maybe they already got their fill and now want to guarantee stability within all their trading partners.
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>>35111279
>mfw current events are increasingly looking closer and closer to fallout lore everyday
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>>35116363

the chinese military has no means to project themselves beyond their borders. Their soldiers are poorly trained and their military is given shoddy equipment

meanwhile, the US has US navy fleets everywhere and can monitor everyone's phone calls

tl;dr numbers don't mean shit when the people leading them are incompetent. Look at how the "Great Leap Forward" turned out
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>>35116394
I wonder if the PLA are shitting bricks, this is probably their equivalent of a HAPPENING.
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>>35115395
I think India will be the key if world war 3 occurs. If it's India, China, and Russia together, I think that will be too much for America and Eu. However if India sticks with the common wealth and America it could be a tough call as to who would win.
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>>35116276
>>35116204
>Bailing out the banks

Chinese banks are also owned by the Chinese Communist party, they owe money to themselves.
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>>35116389
>Democratic Party

Should not belong anywhere in your post. Just by saying that, you have confirmed you know jack shit about who buys sovereign bonds.
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>>35115014
China's being foreign market is Europe, friend.
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>>35116343

What's the smartest thing to invest in? land?

We feudal age again?
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>>35116491

the only difference is that ww3 happens in 2030 or 2040 and not 2077

or maybe even sooner, remember that in less than a decade after the 1929 stock market crash hitler was getting ready to attack france
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>>35111279
Putin and Russia reminds me of Italy and Abyssinia.
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>>35116510
When you think about it, India on paper could be a dead ringer for the US involvement in WW1. Sitting there, known to be powerful but keeping mum till halfway through the war and picking the winner as it spends that time in an arms build up.

Shit, India could be the superpower by the end of this...
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>>35116521

his point was that a political organization was buying bonds, so I made a comparison to the US

how does this invalidate anything I'm saying?
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>>35116343
consistently the best returns come from investment in the stock market, assuming you also know when to short sell stocks
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Does /pol/ think China will actual leed something one day?

forget they are asian, there is still a huge part of its population who lives poorly and uneducated

Will their small number of elites be enough to drag the rest?
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>>35116643

india could easily be a superpower if they stopped fucking around with the caste system and got their public health issues under control

of course, asking indians to give up their culture is like asking isis to stop beheading infidels
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>>35116343
gold is pretty stable throughout time, and the price always rises during wars

>>35116670
when in war with china I highly doubt that stock prices will keep on rising
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>>35116714
Every Indian businessman immigrant I've met has been a liar and a thief. Is that typical?
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>>35116019
Fuck your moon runes
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>>35116510
This India will be key
I think they will fight with brics though along with Iran,Syria and Russian vassal states like Belarus and Kazakhstan
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>>35116706

>Does /pol/ think China will actual leed something one day?

no, historically china has always been an overpopulated shithole

>Will their small number of elites be enough to drag the rest?

no, because you can't rely on a handful of elites to create, staff, and maintain an entire society. This is partially why feudalism and monarchies failed, and why capitalist/industrial states took over - because the latter extend wealth to everyone and make everyone a "leader" so to speak

tl;dr if all your pennies are in order your dollars will take care of themselves, and that whole concept is alien to chinese culture
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>>35116706
They have a middle class of 150 million people. So they are something.
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>>35116643
They could be but I don't think they would stay neutral and if they do they probably wouldn't come in mid way unless they become a target. Say what you want about the Indians they do have a certain sense of honor.
>>35116714
It's mostly the corrupt politicians that have negatively influenced the country in the past 30 years. A new age of politics is what the country needs in my opinion.
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>>35116778

yes, especially when you consider that indians are just asians mixed with arabs
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>>35116714
A chance to be the world superpower might change that, and the risk of seeing both sides destroy each other is outweighed by the benefits of backing one side up. Russian victory in Europe would end in occupation of NATO, which would then be the worlds dominant power so I can see them backing Russia in this case, though I can easily see it going the other way to back the West.

What would South America do? Arabs would be too distracted by civil war to contribute much right?

Also, at what point did we go from circle jerking over happenings, to discussing farfetched but plausible scenarios? Not sure if I like this feel.
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>>35116887
They are actually their own racial group.
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>>35116754
>gold is pretty stable throughout time, and the price always rises during wars
CASH4GOLD
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>>35116878

>It's mostly the corrupt politicians that have negatively influenced the country in the past 30 years.

you mean the past 60, arguably chinese politics has been nothing but a disaster since the 1920s

>A new age of politics is what the country needs in my opinion.

it's a load of bullshit fed to the western media by the chinese government. The PRC are not planning on giving up their power anytime soon, why should you plan on china not being a shithole?
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Everyone dismissed it last week when I posted that there is a rus/china alliance and that they're going to fuck the west raw.

How does /pol feel about that today?
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>>35116961
He is talking about India anon.
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>>35116887
Not even close to accurate
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>>35112267
And the pig race loses ground by the second..
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>>35116961
Meant India anon not China. But you're right about China regardless.
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>>35116890

>russian victory
>europe

you'd have a nuclear holocaust before that

and even then, look at how great the warsaw pact was

>What would South America do? Arabs would be too distracted by civil war to contribute much right?

SA is America's sphere of influence like the caucuses are Russia's

>Also, at what point did we go from circle jerking over happenings, to discussing farfetched but plausible scenarios?

none of these scenarios are remotely possible, you're getting delusional
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>>35111279
Of course this was going to happen.

I keep telling you westerners that we are siding with the Russians but you keep ignoring me.

You fucking retards are so delusional.
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>implying it's USA/EU vs RUS/China
>implying China isn't just a third party watching from the sidelines
>implying China is threatening the USA/EU instead of just asking everyone to be calm
What a clickbait title. China is trying to get both sides to back down.
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>>35111279
Clearly the U.S. needs to cut all economic ties with China.

Please let this happen, please, please, please....
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>>35116878
I have a feeling the Indians would side with Japan and Brititian, who are on the same side.

Also the new President Modi is the kind of man /pol/ would like, bootstrapped himself, removed kebab and is building the Indian nation and cutting out the rot.

http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/india-japan-alliance-brewing-9748
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>>35113873

There's a big drop after #1 you ignorigger
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>>35117013
>>35117101

my bad, in that case I'm inclined to agree because India has foreign money flowing into it. The whole thing rests on their ability to emulate the west, specifically the British culture they come from. This means building up a large, domestic-focused industrial base. If they can do that they are basically where the east meets west and they could be a legitimate superpower
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>>35117106
South America (except Chile and Columbia) are not fans of the USA. They will be neutral and profit from both sides I think.
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So? What can China do other then attack SKorea, Japan, and Philippines?

China can't risk any sanctions affecting their trade.
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>>35116819
The Chinese military is the most rapidly advancing military on the planet, by the end of 2030 easily it's military will far out gun the American military. There's no real denying it. As of right now the American military is not as large but has a significant tech advantage, a war just between the two would probably lead to a US victory.

The Russian military is one of the most advanced on the planet. The only area their most modern weapons don't outstrip the Americans in is bombers and sea power. The Russians have had the advantage in armor since forever, fighters since the 90's, and logistics/support/missiles since around 2005. A fight between the two would almost defiantly end up in a cease fire with the US having won most of the war because of it's while on par to slightly worse, much larger than the Russians military.

The Indian military is large but very under trained and under gunned. All tanks and planes are old Russian and even Soviet tech. But India has the possibility to arm up VERY quickly. A fight between the US and India would be over very quickly.

Pick any of the two above to fight America without any other country intervening and Amerifats will go to whats left of their home crying. Pick all 3 and throw in the rest of the world to support America and watch NATO burn to ash.

...Just saying.
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>>35116831
>no, because you can't rely on a handful of elites to create, staff, and maintain an entire society.

But isn't capitalism right now about ten Firms owning all the others?
isn't the " leader " state of mind just to ignore how powerless we are?

>>35116853
150mio people who cannot read or think for themselves are just as useful as they are enlighten
plus with all the human rights stuff, you cannot even employ them properly
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>>35113474

>moving all production from a workforce that already has training to a country without factories, transport or a trained workforce
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>>35113474
The biggest finger the USA could give to the world and to the rootless elite rich would just be to start manufacturing at home and stop trading with poor high-population countries.
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>>35117151
He is also a huge fan of Israel.
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>>35111279
Why do the chinks even care? If Russia is isolated they can force them to do shit much easier like selling gas for a much cheaper price.
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>>35117151
>national interest
Might as well post fox news
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>>35117174
Only in financing.
And the US Army somehow spends 160 dollars and screws. God only knows what they pay for a screwdriver.
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>>35117200
>Confirmed for not knowing anything about the Chinese middle class
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>>35117106
Let me rephrase that, at what point did it go from circle jerking over Russia to actually contemplating they may actually start a regional war in Europe?
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>>35117184

SA has been America's bitch since the Spanish-American war. Even now, the biggest exporters to SA nations is the US, and we have them surrounded (often occupied too) by the US Navy. Even then SA militarizes are pathetic and loose every time they go up against US forces (save for the bay of pigs, but that technically wasn't US forces attacking)

In the event of a world war they would be relegated to being our backup farms like they were during the previous world wars. And if a thrid world war were to happen, then the US would have a very legitimate reason to invade anyone in SA that wasn't ok with this.
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>>35117252
Because amazingly China has security concerns and does not trust the West.
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>>35115895
Yeah, to itself, what is China going to do if China doesn't pay back its debt? Invade China? It can fix the rates of inflation as well. All it needs to do is run a ponzi scheme like the US currency. It just has to build capital by keeping people working. China has become the Asian version of the western Jews. This is how banks work, trough balance sheets and not reality.
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>>35115208
>America had trouble dealing with some bearded cave people in the middle east, that was with assistance of the world, including Russia.
Where the hell do you peons get this warped view of the world?

American police have killed more innocent Americans since the wars started in the Mideast than the shitskins have killed American soldiers.

You shitskins have taken "fail" to an art form...we had barely any trouble overthrowing Saddam and the Taliban at all.
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>>35117370
The government already owns the banks that lend money to the government. they just forgive all the debt to themselves.
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>>35117331
You're fucking insane if you think Russia is starting anything. Every current major conflict in the world has been started by western aggression.
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>>35117297
I admit I never lived in China

But you won't make me believe they all have western european life styles (food, clothing, education, transport, shelter, entertainment)

>not expert but not stupid
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>>35117151
I would agree to this because India is still loyal to Britain in a way even though Indians have been very pro-russian for a long time. Also India hasn't forgotten the war with China so that also might be a factor that could tilt them to support Britain.
>>35117182
I can see that since it's pretty much what they did in world War 2. If I remember correctly India was producing some metals and other items during the war and after the war they started creating their own weapons of mass destruction.
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>>35117446
150 million is not all Chinese. Most Chinese are either Peasants or working class.

But there is a substantial middle class in China which lives modern lifestyles.
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>being scared of China

All the west has to do is to release Japan from its leash and China know it.
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>>35117195

>The Chinese military is the most rapidly advancing military on the planet,

while they went from fucking nothing to something resembling a modern force, that doesn't mean they are a threat. Their military is hugely corrupt and mostly used to keep their citizens in line. There is a reason why chink mosins, SKSes and AKs are worse than their Russian counterparts

>The Russian military is one of the most advanced on the planet.

they're not backed by the NSA or NRO, and they don't have the USN

you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
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>>35117500
>All the west has to do is to release Japan from its leash and China know it.

kek
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>>35117500
India and Japan taking on China and Pakistan while Russia has to deal with America and Europe. Pretty sure India and Japan would come out on top
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>>35117200

>But isn't capitalism right now about ten Firms owning all the others?

no, capitalism is people making their own money with their own property/business

capitalism, as of yet, is the most decentralized economic system available (even though it's getting fucked up because of socialists in the west) and is the most powerful force when it comes to getting people healthy and educated
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>>35116505
The PLA did an exercise last year where they pitted four of their armored companies against a simulated American motorized division. The Americans won massively because of constant NBC attacks wiping out the Chinese forces before they could even get to the battlefield.

Remove the NBC element, and it's suggested that a land war against a complete US offensive would end in disaster for the PLA, or a Pyrrhic victory at best. They had nothing that could compete with an enemy that knew when, where, and how to attack at all times (they even resorted to using messengers on bikes to deliver orders because everything was being shut down). Even with massive numbers, if the US could attack the main body of the attacking force before the attack begins, then all that the large numbers would do is lead to a higher body count. The only way for China to win in this sort of scenario is to use massive human waves and hope that the enemy runs out of munitions before they run out of people.
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>>35115187

It won't fail. But an insane majority of products that AREN'T essential to daily living would be unavailable for purchase.

This includes INEXPENSIVE shit like brake pads for the cars most minimum wage workers drive, etc. The country would implode.
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>>35117370

their banks fail, and they don't have the Petroldollar to fall back on

"banks failing" is sort of a problem when you consider that they are the organizations responsible for allowing commerce to happen
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>>35117572
source
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>>35117505
The Chinese military is not used for policing. The Chinese have a police-force which is just like a military specifically for that (they actually have a larger budget). The Military is for dealing with foreign threats.
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>>35117505
All irrelevant things.
Though the USN is VERY important in a war (I did basic ffs, I love America and everything it stands for but I'm not blinded by patriotism like it seems everyone around me is)

Fuck a 2 second Google search brought up something like this, which was done by the fucking US DoD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNRMO70Hw0s
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>>35115208
>America had trouble dealing with some bearded cave people in the middle east, that was with assistance of the world, including Russia.

lol, what russian assistance.

bearded cave people are an issue because they look like all the other bearded cave people you're trying not to kill. and those cave people still got their shit totally wrecked, you have no fucking idea. even before the surge they couldn't take on the us directly so spent most of their time blowing up civillians you delusional fuck. then the surge happened and the insurgency finished almost overnight. so the iraq government can't handle its shit, so what? their fucking problem.

last time i checked china had a conventional military with conventional systems. big fucking difference. everyone knows what to kill in that scenario. china would be fucked, economically and militarily, and the chinese know it. why do you think they haven't rolled taiwan yet?
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>>35117572
we don;t even have to step foot on Chinese mainland. we can just blockade oil/gas/food and use air strikes to get rail/road/pipeline at the borders. Then send in stealth drones to get the grain stores, and power substations.
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>>35117482
Ok and now lets continue the reasoning

Will China be able to take care of all peasants who will want to imitate the western living?

Will there ever be enough for all these hungry rice eating apes?

I heard there were some muslims causing trouble in China too

>inner turmoil is announced
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>>35117664

>The Chinese military is not used for policing.

what are they doing in Tibet then?

>The Chinese have a police-force which is just like a military specifically for that (they actually have a larger budget).

so you admit that the chinese government considers internal conflict to be a bigger problem than foreign threats. This is not a good thing if there is ever an actual foreign threat
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>>35114256
>1,000,000 of years of precedence says no
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>>35115555

just like the special relationship eh?

it means nothing at all. both are the most realpolitik countires you can imagine. they'll sell the other out in a second, just like the cold war.
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>>35117616

Unlikely. What would most likely happen in my opinion is that all that stuff would probably start being built in America again, most likely using automation to cut down on employment costs. America is one of the few countries that can probably go 50-60% automated within 5 years.
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>>35117572
Interesting. All I see is a competent military hiding it's power level.

http://defensetech.org/2011/05/19/pla-chinese-military-doesnt-compare-to-u-s-military/
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>>35115751
Ahhh I bet you have never even served in the military
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>>35117747
>America is one of the few countries that can probably go 50-60% automated within 5 years.
>50-60% automated
>50-60% unemployment
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>>35117693
>Will there ever be enough for all these hungry rice eating apes?
Oh god it's not the Great Leap forward anymore.
Dude are you 30 years behind?
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>>35117675

>All irrelevant things.

so you're saying that the quality of weapons soldiers wield is "irrelevant"? Since we're on the subject their training is shit too

>which was done by the fucking US DoD.

who has an incentive to make another red scare like they did in the 50s

the chink military is worthless and you're seriously stupid if you think they would win against the US
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>>35117195
it's easy to rapidly advance when you more from rice and a rifle to a tank. fuck you're an idiot. i hope this is a troll and you don't believe the shit you're writing.
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>>35113584
>implying
most the worlds gold is where microprocessors/chips/electronics are being produced (hint: not china)

no one uses gold as currency you moron its all in consumer products now.

do you not know how many tons of gold sit in pc/phone/electronic waste sites? let alone sitting in currently used electronics?

apple has sold over 500million iphones how much gold do you think comprises parts of the internal components of these phones?
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>>35113474

better yet give the finger to all of them and bring back trade protectionism and self sufficiency. North America and South America could become a powerhouse economically and self contained.
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>>35117693
>Will China be able to take care of all peasants who will want to imitate the western living?
Most of them don't expect that. They just want better living.

>Will there ever be enough for all these hungry rice eating apes?
China imports food but it is actually self sufficient in some things such as rice and grain.

>I heard there were some muslims causing trouble in China too
Yeah, and they are currently being slaughtered.

>>35117722
>what are they doing in Tibet then?
Tibet is under martial law. Unlike the rest of the country.

>so you admit that the chinese government considers internal conflict to be a bigger problem than foreign threats. This is not a good thing if there is ever an actual foreign threat
Nobody actually knows what China's military budget is and everyone suspects the numbers they do give out are lies and understatements.

But yes, there is an issues that comes from controlling 1/5 of humanity.
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>>35117505

China and Russia have very cheap countermeasures however that quickly negate any lack of force they may possess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_ballistic_missile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21

Hard for the US military to do shit when any of the carriers or cruise missile ships that get within strike distance are sliced in half by a MIRV that cost a fraction of the ship itself, before the crew or the aircraft.
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>>35117747

>go 50-60% automated within 5 years.

50%-60% of what, manufacturing? That shit is already mostly automated
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>>35117553
the west isn't the only reason

we could talk about it for years, personally I think capitalism has gone out of hand

>most powerful force when it comes to getting people healthy and educated

not sure, the people in the Us have never seemed very healthy to me
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>>35117844
Well we don't know shitfuck, provide sources you idiot.
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We've all made our beds and soon it's gonna be time to lie in them.
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>>35117856

>But yes, there is an issues that comes from controlling 1/5 of humanity.

and it's those issues specifically why china will always shoot themselves in the foot and be unable to project power
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>>35117872
>ASBM
that's a good way to get your ass nuked.

anything bigger then a scud is going to get NORAD straight into HABBENING mode and the President pushing the button.
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goddamn pol has some of the most retarded people i have ever seen
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>>35117370

It's sort of bullshit though, isn't it? China has got a lot lower debt to itself than the US does for example and it covers it to a much greater degree by being owed so much by other nations and having so much real capital and such a tiny financial bubble compared to most other states.

If all of a sudden the entire world would be required to finance its moneys worth China would be a lot better off than a huge part of the world.
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>>35117933
>most retarded
>[email protected]
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>>35117872

>Hard for the US military to do shit when any of the carriers or cruise missile ships that get within strike distance are sliced in half by a MIRV that cost a fraction of the ship itself, before the crew or the aircraft.

so? We can build more. Look at the liberty ships.

it's also hard for the chinese to attack an air force that has airbases surrounding them
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>>35117833

You don't have to beat the US Military to beat the US. All you need to do is destroy the carriers. Once the US is landlocked and without ANY form of outside economic support to supply the Goyim with new iPhones and other toys it's over. Game over for the US and that's BEFORE the shit gets real when people freak the fuck out and start eating the country alive from the inside out.
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>>35114804

>zerotinfoil
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>>35111279

>ITT: Armchair analysts

China is simply doing this because it hurts trade relations all around, given the fact that china is currently propped up entirely on Foreign investments.

They're also trying to defuse the circumstance by reminding us of the fact that we can prosper mutually, but are unlikely to do anything.
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>>35117872
A voice of reason. Where were you when I was trying to explain Russia's assymetric warfare doctrine yesterday?
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>>35117897

>personally I think capitalism has gone out of hand

because it's becoming socialism

>not sure, the people in the Us have never seemed very healthy to me

Americans were the healthiest people in the world before the feds started getting their dicks into healthcare with medicare
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>>35117856
>China imports food but it is actually self sufficient in some things such as rice and grain.

if being self sufficient in one or two ingredients would be enough, believe me we would not have globalization and we would all live cloistered between our walls ( for those who have some)
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>>35117287
there are some common misconceptions about procurement, this is one of them.

like 10k for a drill. thing is you can't use normal power tools to make aircraft or tanks or ships. when tooling is aquired it has to last the lifetime of the project, and especially in the aircraft industry it has to do the job properly and not fuck up the rivets or the holes etc. someone on mp.nt posted the sort of rivet guns they use in hi-tech industry, not even defence, and it was enourmous and cost tens of thousands. that's the kind of shit you're dealing with, and also an idiot media that knows fuck about anything.

you could spend 160 on a screw, because that screw will be precision made out of specialist material to do a particular job under harsh circumstances. it will also go in first time, so you don't fuck around and risk threading it. they don't assemble aircraft, military or civillian, with shit you buy down at walmart.
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>>35117931

Right back at you nigger faggot. What's the President going to say...?

"My fellow Americans, today my dumbass nuked the shit out of China, to which they dusted every one of our cities, due to the fact I thought their missile which in the end sank the capital war ship I sent to bomb their country. I made a big fuck up and we all paid for it. Please don't riot or try to find our VIP shelter."

Srsly?
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>>35117972

>If all of a sudden the entire world would be required to finance its moneys worth China would be a lot better off than a huge part of the world.

no they wouldn't, they have no cash and all their assets are worthless
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>>35117989
What do you think can be build quicker?

Aircraft carriers or cheap missiles?
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>>35118040
China buys huge amounts of rice and grain from thailand, australilia, Argentina, canada,
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>>35117833
I even said that they would lose.
No single millitary has ever been better than the military of the USA. I stand by that. But don't ever fucking kid yourself, great or not, under the sheer weight of the combined arms of the East all of NATO wouldn't last longer than a year. The only reason they would last that long is because the USN would stop most attempts at a US airspace/ground takeover for a while. Until the Russian submarine fleet sank enough carriers so air intercepts to stop 4rth Gen Russian and chink fighters to dominate us. Without our airpower we are nothing.
>>35117842
That samefagging though, ever since WW2 the Chinese military was right behind the Soviets who were nose to nose to the Americans in ever single way throughout the cold war, (even better in some respects but if I went into that you might patriotically tell me to fuck off then go to McDonalds, you know it's patriotically-blinded /k/ fans that think America is the be all end all, that makes America look so bad to everyone else),
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>>35117989

Guam and Japan get pounded to dust. South Korea will get raped just like the North Korea so that doesn't count either. China and Russia both have short range missiles too so even if the US Air Force gets it's shit in the air from the bases within range of China/Russia they'll have no where to land.
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>>35117933
>this nigger adding an email address
sure is normalfag in here
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>>35117226
ahhh that would mean prosperity for the US and her citizens.


jews will not like that very much.
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>>35118032
Believe me it is very far from socialism, very far
Obamacare is a joke, that is surely not socialism
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>>35117688
Yeah and america starves to death in the meantime because our entire economy crashes. What would our number one employer wal-mart sell exactly? Wishes and dreams?

Can you imagine the juggernaut that would be China if it mobilized even half it's factories for war. You can't even fucking fathom it. US and all it's carriers would be sunk in weeks. Shit. sinking the carriers may not even be their objective. China could just swarm the fleet with sheer numbers and capture them.
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China do this sort of thing every now and then to try to remain relevant.

They don't actually have the balls to do anything to back it up though.
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>>35117872
asbm is a pipe dream. there are massive technical problems to overcome. both the ussr and usa spent a lot of time investigating it during the cold war.

for example re-entry plasmas make radar impossible to target with.
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>>35117693
Africa is the second biggest continent on earth and the richest in terms of farm land. China also gives zero fucks if a bunch African die in the process of colonization.
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>>35117619
No on your statement. This Anon hit the nail on the head.
>>35117424
When governments owe to themselves, its different. It can forgive its debt, rebuild capital, cut spending, or finally a mix of all.

Further thoughts:
The US has lived outside its means to the point its no longer #1 economically and can't compete with Europe or China. Europe built itself in niche markets while China built itself from Cheap labor and cheap knockoffs.

My thoughts are: if Russia goes more towards China then China will be #1 for the next 100 years instead of Europe. Imagine 100 years of Chinese economic domination. Probably why they are trying desperately to blackmail Russia.

I mean who takes the propaganda seriously other then morons: "Putin's missile," "Putin is literally Hitler," "Putin killed my child." Shows how ignorant people are when they don't realize Putin's brother and a chunk of his family got killed by the Nazi's. Its rare to have a war that isn't driven by economic/bank reasoning.
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>>35118169
oh no we won't have any dumb consumer crap.

mean while China won't have the energy resources to gear up for anything. food riots in the streets. commerce grinds to a halt as goods can't be moved.
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>>35118062
>"My fellow Americans, today my dumbass nuked the shit out of China, to which they dusted every one of our cities, due to the fact I thought their missile which in the end sank the capital war ship I sent to bomb their country. I made a big fuck up and we all paid for it. Please don't riot or try to find our VIP shelter."
>11/10

/thread

At the end of the day no one's going to start shit. Have you seen the NATO interviews? They beat around the bush and avoid questions about directly opposing growing Russian and Chinese influence in the entire Eastern hemisphere.

Russia knows starting a war with NATO would be a shitshow and a terrible idea

China is very firm on taking a non-aggressive stance

And the US, well the last thing on thier to-do list is fight any country that isn't a sand nigger.
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If you think Russia and China would 'team up' then you aren't educated enough on global politics to comment on the situation.
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>>35118326
Hmm, and if Russia was to find itself allying with Europe?
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>>35118326
China can never reach that position. unless they can magically deal wit their pollution and population problems.

lung cancer is like the number one cause of death in eastern China now from all the air pollution.
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>>35118210
>They don't actually have the balls to do anything to back it up though.
They actually can't back it up with anything right now. Their military has very little force projection (unless the world's largest synchronized swim team swimming to the Baltic counts as "force projection"), their international affairs department has always remained neutral in everything, and their economy is fueled by the largest property bubble the world has ever seen that their government can't control because their people are retarded when it comes to investments.
All they can do is rally the third world and African nations to file a formal complaint to the UN.
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Suddenly the muslims in western China start getting a bunch of military hardware. They start killing Hans left and right and the chinese stop thinking of any sort of war outside of their borders. the end.
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>>35118375
>Ignoring that Russia has just constructed a huge oil and gas line to China

Anon please keep up with the times.
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>>35118407
You're fucking blind mate.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_26/Russian-Chinese-military-exercises-Joint-Sea-2014-end-in-China-9370/
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>>35118096
>But don't ever fucking kid yourself, great or not, under the sheer weight of the combined arms of the East all of NATO wouldn't last longer than a year.


but this doesn't make sense. you're saying that the us and nato are all powerful and unbeatable, then you're saying the east, which must be weaker if nato is all powerful, is now stronger.

you're a fucking idiot. the shear power of the east is still less than that of the west, so do you imagine that the west is just going to sit there and take that shit or something?

>>35118096
>That samefagging though

oh fuck off. those other guys weren't me. you have no fucking position so you're resorting to muh muh samefag.

>ever since WW2 the Chinese military was right behind the Soviets

they were never close to the soviets. even in the 90s they barely had a blue water navy and had built a total of 3 nuclear powered submarines, which didn't work. they still field russian kilo class these days, and all of their advanced radar and jet engines are bought from the russians. you are confirmed for knowing nothing at all. get the fuck out.
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>>35118485
That's why part of my plan entails blowing such things up.
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Gr8 b8 m8
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>>35118169
market economy. those capitalists would simply pull the capital. plenty of other countries that can produce cheap shit. government debt is not corporate debt.

oh wait, it's already happening. as pointed out in this thread.
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>>35118326
>The US has lived outside its means to the point its no longer #1 economically and can't compete with Europe or China. Europe built itself in niche markets while China built itself from Cheap labor and cheap knockoffs.

lol wut. have you seen the european economy lately? the uk is only country growing there.

where do you get this from?
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>>35118407
China considers its greatest humiliations to have come from Russian annexation of northern China. Some of them (Maoists) consider up to the Bering Straits to be Middle Kingdom Clay.
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>>35118303
You have a point.

They are already doing this for a while now

>any nigger revolution in sight?
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>>35118513
the us has exercises with both china and russia you realise.
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>>35118535
>Liaoning now more functional now Kuznetsov
>093s and 095s outclass kilo
>what is WS-10 and WS-15
"you are confirmed for knowing nothing at all. get the fuck out."
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>>35111279

China can suck a fuck.

Who the hell do they think they are?
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Let's make things perfectly clear.

No nation can transcend the United States of America armed forces when it comes to modern tactical warfare. The combined capabilities and performance of USofA weapons systems are unmatched throughout the world, ensuring that our military forces have the advantage over any adversary or contingency.

have any of you soviet or chink fucks seen our new railgun, 100 mile range with excellent accuracy, imagine getting hit by a 23 pound (10kg) chunk of titanium at 7 times the speed of sound.

No, China isn't going row over on its one antique aircraft carrier. There is no force of any consequence could make it to our mainland without mass casualties. Debt? Any attempt to use U.S. Treasury securities as a coercive tool would have limited effect and likely would do more harm to China than to the United States. The major bulk of US debt is with Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Citibank, Bank of America. Not outside the borders of the USA.

Missiles would come down with our integrated layered ballistic missile defense system, that includes sea, ground, air/space elements, capable of intercepting any threat in the boost, mid-course or terminal phases of flight. What now?
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>>35118776
Meanwhile America keep sucking ISIS fuck.
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>>35112028
Why, oh, why won't people post this webm more often?
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>>35118732
this kind of exercise?

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/07/30/373340/us-will-spy-on-chinas-military-exercise/
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>>35118458
Don't forget that China has a severe population crisis, where their working age population is rapidly aging and their replacement generation is too small to sustain their "growth" (and getting increasingly sick).
And that China's domestic industry has repeatedly failed to gain traction in their own market despite taxes and tariffs aimed to make Western and foreign products less affordable.
And that China's arable land has been shrinking every year (Gobi Desert is heading east) so that they've become heavily dependent on importing food from places like the US and South America.
And that when the housing bubble bursts, millions upon millions of the Chinese middle class will become penniless overnight, while the wealthy are already fleeing the country with all the cash they have (step into Vancouver sometime to see the result).
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Is this board really just a bunch of retarded doomsday preppers?

The U.S. and china are in a death grip relationship with each other, you can't sink one without bringing down the other. Then some retard is going to say that china doesn't care, they'd be willing to start a war, (they wouldn't ever)
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>>35111279
>Oh no EU, please don't economically undermine russia and force them to become a chinese dependancy

They're going through the motions.
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>>35118453
It wont, after Libya Russia saw Europe as a satellite of the US. Putin stated himself if you have NATO soldiers you aren't a sovereign country. The biggest hint was when Putin said: "the US is trying to turn the world into a US Barracks."

>>35118458
>China can never reach that position. unless they can magically deal wit their pollution and population problems.
China doesn't care much about pollution, it has denied it has a pollution problem for a long time. Also, its has been building lots of Nuclear power plants(From safe French designs). It has also signed a gas deal with Russia so that takes care of any future problems.

>lung cancer is like the number one cause of death in eastern China now from all the air pollution.
True but Chinese can breed like the Zerg if they need to. Yes I had to use a SC reference. In the long term it can fix its problems, like any country.
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>>35118812

yellow man pls.
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>>35118781
And if someone started a conflict with us that would pose a threat greater than a Chinese firecracker, we would mobilize our armed forces to a base nearest the conflict and establish a command center. During this time there would be drone activity in the chink airspace the likes of which God has never seen. Once our intelligence was compiled, we would behead Chinas government, strike perceived threats and disable their infrastructure. If this didn't cool their jets and open a line of communication of diplomatic resolution, we would freeze their monetary assets globally, and cram sanctions so far up their asses, they couldn't wait to cry Uncle Sam.

We won. Your world is going to change radically over the next twenty years and we are the keepers of this planet and the managers of your Democracy. So be prepared. The best thing you can do is try to stockpile weapons cause local guerrilla warfare is all you will have left.

We are America and we are AMERICANS. God Bless.
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>>35118862
Oh please, delusional westerners have been saying this for the past 25 years.
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>>35118781
>our new railgun
>courtesy of British Aerospace Systems
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>>35118675
Nope. They consider it to be from Japan.

Only the most hardcore of Chinese Nationalists want the Russian clay back.

The other ones recognise the treaties signed with Russia because Russia used its power to stop mass annexation by other western states.
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>>35117734
Tell me all those precendence where all of Europe was fighting Russia (not the USSR) and lost.
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>>35118874
yes, good ol capitalism
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>>35118915
Fuck right off to /k/, please.
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>>35118862
who had the bright idea to store wealth in a cheaply built apartment that sits empty and not maintained?
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>>35118937
But its ours now, You fucks work for us like we work for the kikes.
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>>35118535
Reread what I wrote you nigger.
Not once did I say NATO is all powerful, I said no ONE.
ONE
PLS READ
ONE
Military is more powerful than America's. Also the rest of NATO is shit. But China and Russia easily dominate them in every aspect.

Also yes the Chinese military was very close to the Soviet tech. Yes you are right, but China has never been one for having a navy. The only reason the we hold the domination we have is because of the USN. If someone were to build half the navy it is in 15 years and directly challenge it a lot of that world power would be gone.

Well seeing as Russian radar and air tech is a generation to two generations ahead of sweet home Murica', I'd day they're doing pretty well.

Are you going to end with get the fuck out every time because you think that you've made your glorious patriotic point? What that the US could war anyone and just beat them into the ground unscathed? Or even that they would win at a terrible price?

I'm not exactly fucking looking forward to being opposed as a superpower. I kinda liked having all the "freedoms"(what little of those we actually get), but please don't be blinded because Fox news or CNN says something about the US being able to win every war and the US won ww2 so it's the best and screw communism ect ect.

http://polandball.cc/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/VPAePlc.png

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>chinamantowns everywhere
>not a single americlaptown

watch out guise, the ching a wing ling ding shim bings have already infiltrated.
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>>35113584
>This arbitrary currency is stupid.
>My arbitrary currency is much better because it is naturally limited(for now).
Gold standard fags are fucking awful. The only reason gold has value is because of electronics, it's not even that widely desired in jewelry anymore; since fake gold looks almost exactly the same anyway.
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>>35117693
The Hui or Chinese Muslims are such a tiny minority and they're sort of cut of from the rest of the Muslim world. Muslims are honestly causing a lot more trouble and a much more likely to be a serious threat to future of pretty much any other western nation that isn't dirt poor.

The imitation of western living is sort of the problem isn't it? They got thing sorted like pretty much no one in modern times in Chongqing through by stern hand.
Isn't China's real problem toxic influence from western democracy and socialism? As long as they're able to survive that China could truly become majestic again.

So far China has had poor government and corruption to deal with but if they somehow managed to get a competent person on the "throne" there's little doubt they could be the next superpower before long.

Corruption and western influence is pretty much the only thing that's holding them back by now.
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>>35118675
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sino-Russian_relations#China_and_the_Russian_Federation

Scroll down to the bottom
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Anyways things won't get ugly soon

I don't think a lot of countries will be willing to go to war against China for at leaf 10 years

Us citizen will maybe easily brainwashed but I don't see the europeans be ok with that
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>>35117052
It's a shame the diet for this country is so fucking off. It is next to impossible to get a regular looking woman if you don't pay them huge wads just to stay thin and sit on your dick.

Fucking mcdonald's country this is. Cook a damn meal and don't take two servings.
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>>35119198
*leat
*be

>fck that shit
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>>35118924
But they're all true
China's One Child policy is biting the government in the ass because the current generation of new workers is much smaller than the work force that's about to reach "retirement" (and even if the majority doesn't retire, their productivity is much less than a younger worker's). Japan and parts of Europe has the problem, but not on the scale of China's.
Go to any Chinese supermarket or store and see which brands goes flying off the shelves and which brands gathers dust. China's domestic market shuns domestic goods because many consumers feel that those products aren't comparable (or safe, in some instances) as foreign imports. This has become such a problem that the Chinese government actually tried to force foreign companies to invest and share technology with local industries to catch up, but those efforts have failed so far because the Chinese market still avoids domestic brands on the whole. Most of China's wealthy and middle class would rather travel hundreds of miles to Hong Kong to purchase something than buy local.
China's desertification issue has gotten worse, with dust storms increasing in severity and scale every year. The Gobi Desert continues to grow at an accelerated pace despite China's efforts to contain it with trees. Their movement to make China's agriculture sufficient has fallen flat on its face, so the Chinese government gave up on trying to fight the import problem.
Google "China housing bubble". It's massive and can lead the world into another recession.
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>>35115915
This picture, every time
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>>35119311
>Not knowing the Chinese stopped applying the one child policy in the countryside years ago and they just increased it to 2 children in the cities.
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>>35119378
yeah but that shit is still going to bite them in the ass for 2-3 decades.

then it bites them in the ass again when they have too many people.
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>>35118754
>Liaoning now more functional now Kuznetsov

so you're a special kind of stupid are you.

the riga, sorry the gongongbong, was built by the soviet union in.....1988.

fuck. you're saying that throughout the cold war the chinese were just behind the soviets. even though now, in 2014, they're still having trouble with a carrier that the soviets happily built 26 years ago, and you're using that to back up your point how? you can't into argument can you?

>093s and 095s outclass kilo

so the 093, the first nuclear sub the chinks built that didn't irradiate their crew, 40 years after everyone started developing the technology, and the 095, which hasn't even been commissioned yet, outclasses a ssk that first launched in the 80s and was designed for cheap export......and china couldn't get to fleet until 2006.

you are trolling right?

>what is WS-10 and WS-15

lol what about them. please, fucking what about them.

>you are confirmed for knowing nothing at all. get the fuck out.

yeah, why haven't you yet.
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>>35119378

They did this in response:

>biting the government in the ass because the current generation of new workers is much smaller than the work force that's about to reach "retirement" (and even if the majority doesn't retire, their productivity is much less than a younger worker's). Japan and parts of Europe has the problem, but not on the scale of China's

Their response is proof of the very obvious problem you fucking retard.
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>>35119311
>Japan and parts of Europe has the problem, but not on the scale of China's

Median age:
Japan: 44.6
Germany: 43.7
China: 35.2

Total fertility rate:
Japan: 1.42
Germany: 1.43
China: 1.55
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>>35119378
>not knowing that it still takes years for those children to come of age
>not knowing that AIDS is becoming an epidemic in the rural parts of China
>not knowing that the health of an average Chinese youth is at risk because of environmental pollution, some of which is ingested
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>>35119467
REKT
E
K
T
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>>35118781

Armed forces are just theoretical power beyond a certain point, isn't it?
It's not like you can use your military might as you see fit as there is an entire world out there that would not be indifferent to something of this scale.

Sure; the US could probably murder the world and possibly maintain some of its population. It would mean the collapse of the entire world as we now it though as stepping beyond certain boundaries would mean the nation is such a threat that the choice would be servitude or to try to kill them.

The point is that you'll have to be able to make financial growth to keep up, even if you could keep from collapsing under debt and even keep borrowing money it won't be able to sustain you on the world market of power as you can't grow this way since even minor direct conquest is controversial and a nation as dangerous as the US can't become a crazed beast due to threat it would pose
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>>35118836
http://www.navytimes.com/article/20121130/NEWS/211300304/U-S-China-joint-exercise-wraps-up

http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-chief-seeks-to-ease-tensions-with-china-via-joint-exercises-1406733528

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-heads-to-joint-naval-exercises-with-america/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/chinese-military-hawaii_n_3883039.html

during the cold war russia had a lot of forces on the chinese border and nuclear weapons aimed at china. not too much has changed in that respect.

they're allies of convenience.
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>>35119467
You forget that the average life expectancy in China is shorter. Combine that to the widescale public health issues plaguing nearly all of China's industrialized and urban areas, and you have a workforce that can't match the productivity of countries with healthier populations. The incoming work force right now are products of the One Child Policy, and are smaller than the work force that came before.
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>>35118974
yeah, damn that /k/, pissing on my china strong fantasies with actual military knowledge.
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>>35119646
>allies of convenience
>allies

I'm glad we see eye to eye now.
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>>35118032
>socialism
>not corporatacracy
lel
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>>35119467
>>35119502
>Using Current Statistics

http://populationpyramid.net/china/2030/
>implying you can read graphs
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>>35113584
>China
>Having leverage
>Over literally anything

Let me guess, you think China's gonna take everything over when they call our tab, right?
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>real reason why China is now getting involved, politically?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-02/putin-offer-to-sell-assets-to-china-to-aid-cnpc-sinopec.html
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>>35119861
http://populationpyramid.net/china/2015/
so you can compare with today's numbers
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>>35111279
>China sanctions US
>US begins to learn that they need to be independent and finally start producing their own goods
>US becomes self sufficient/relies on current allies like Canada and Eurobros
>China begins to collapse as there is no demand for their goods
>Calls in American debt that they bought up
>America says fuck you
>China dies
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>>35118994
re-read what you wrote your own damned self, nigger.

>No single millitary has ever been better than the military of the USA.

right there you're saying that the us is number one. the us is part of nato, therefore nato, having the us in it, must be number one +.

logic, faggot. formal education is a useful thing.

>Also the rest of NATO

so two more nuclear powers and the only other country in the world capable of power projection, plus the german army. and all the rest, are shit. based on you. fuck.

>Also yes the Chinese military was very close to the Soviet tech.

it never was. the only tech they had that was close to soviet tech was soviet tech they needed the soviets to run for them. and not much of that given the souring of the relationship between stalin and mao and the engagement of china by the us since nixon. why the fuck do you think the soviets had such a large military force on the chinese border during the cold war? why do you think the chinese ran like bitches from the taiwan straits in 96? oh wait, you don't know about any of this. you're just making shit up because it suits your world view.

the rest of your post
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>>35119964
America could always go to India if India starts doing what China does. It would be cheap, somewhat efficient, and India would be an ally to the west.
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>>35119774
we don't, because you're too fucking stupid to comprehend the convenience part.

it goes hand in hand with selling your dumb ass when it becomes inconvenient.
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>>35111279
I'm ready swinging my commie flag again.
I hope I don't get taken as some pinko-fag lover
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>>35117572
>>35117505
hmmmmm Sun Tzu would like to have a word with all of you, I believe he said "Appear weak when strong" at some point, but that doesnt matter does it?
>>35118614
>>35118547
>>35118535
>2014
>not recognizing a happening on this level would literally ruin the global economy until Oil ran out and ever last nation ran into the dust
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>>35118535
>Still doesn't know that now China has its indigenous nuclear sub squad
>Still doesn't know that China has indigenous jet engines already used in the field with the J-11B
It seems you are the one that doesn't know nothing
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>>35120127
>Appear weak when strong
The problem is that the Chinese military leadership are the weakness. The exercise that was intentionally designed for the Chinese forces to get their shit pushed in (constant NBC attacks are an impossibility in today's political climate) was so that the brass could get off their ass and fix their shit. Most of China's espionage efforts are aimed at improving China's industries, most of which are headed by generals and staffs within the military. It's an old boy's club, where you can only advance if you are friends or do favors for the higher ups.

With weak, inept leadership, it doesn't matter how much strength and ability the army has.
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>>35118834
http://vimeo.com/68930177
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>>35111279
Nuke China and Russia NOW. Liberate the captive nations being oppressed under their regimes and kill the leaders. Those faggot empires don't deserve to live another day.

Nuke them now.
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>>35120072
>selling

dem shekels

Are you the same idiot that posted "muh carriers"?
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>>35120386
>indigenous jet engines
Using high-stress components sourced from Russia
Source: Russian engine manufacturers
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>>35118059
>>35117287
>>35117174
>>35113873
>>35113299
>>35113403
muh buger nigger supremacy!!! Its not like the kikes at Defense make us spend tons of money on their weapons
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>>35120461
>Nuke them
>Liberate them

Robespierre continues to be retarded even today.
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>>35111279
i knew glorious china was on russia's side

putin has a stronger chance of freeing us from zog
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>>35120501
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_WS-10
I've seen really...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10
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PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY DISMISSING THAT CHINA IS NOW WITH RUSSIA AND NOT THE USA EVEN YESTERDAY.

PEOPLE ARE NOW REALISING THAT WE ARE WITNESSING A SHIFT IN GLOBAL POWER FROM THE WEST TO EAST.

THE US DOLLAR IS OVER PEOPLE. THE STOCK MARKET IS MANAGED AND MANIPULATED BEYOND ANY PROPORTION.

PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY DISMISSING THAT CHINA IS NOW WITH RUSSIA AND NOT THE USA EVEN YESTERDAY.

PEOPLE ARE NOW REALISING THAT WE ARE WITNESSING A SHIFT IN GLOBAL POWER FROM THE WEST TO EAST.

THE US DOLLAR IS OVER PEOPLE. THE STOCK MARKET IS MANAGED AND MANIPULATED BEYOND ANY PROPORTION.

PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY DISMISSING THAT CHINA IS NOW WITH RUSSIA AND NOT THE USA EVEN YESTERDAY.

PEOPLE ARE NOW REALISING THAT WE ARE WITNESSING A SHIFT IN GLOBAL POWER FROM THE WEST TO EAST.

THE US DOLLAR IS OVER PEOPLE. THE STOCK MARKET IS MANAGED AND MANIPULATED BEYOND ANY PROPORTION.

PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY DISMISSING THAT CHINA IS NOW WITH RUSSIA AND NOT THE USA EVEN YESTERDAY.

PEOPLE ARE NOW REALISING THAT WE ARE WITNESSING A SHIFT IN GLOBAL POWER FROM THE WEST TO EAST.

THE US DOLLAR IS OVER PEOPLE. THE STOCK MARKET IS MANAGED AND MANIPULATED BEYOND ANY PROPORTION.

PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY DISMISSING THAT CHINA IS NOW WITH RUSSIA AND NOT THE USA EVEN YESTERDAY.

PEOPLE ARE NOW REALISING THAT WE ARE WITNESSING A SHIFT IN GLOBAL POWER FROM THE WEST TO EAST.

THE US DOLLAR IS OVER PEOPLE. THE STOCK MARKET IS MANAGED AND MANIPULATED BEYOND ANY PROPORTION.
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>>35112753
talking and sanctioning
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>>35120840
Nothing new, really
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>>35120791

>i knew glorious china was on russia's side

No, it's not. China necessarily has to keep good ties with the US. This is all talk.
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>>35120090
Why even go on /pol/?

Retarded faggot.

>be 12
>be edgy
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>>35120883
As I said in the post before, people were dismissing this just yesterday. The US is fucked as a power, which can be showed with this Ukraine crisis as the US can do fuck all to prevent Putin other than 'sanctions'.
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>>35120840
What a god damn eyesore. Who in the actual fuck would read this shit?
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>>35120954
in the short run

in the long run we would all be better without murca
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>>35120620
>lifetime costs
>implying maintaining our current fleet wouldn't be more expensive
>implying maintaining our current fleet wouldn't provide less capabilities
>protip: It would, and It would, respectively
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>>35118915
how pathetic
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>>35119378
>only two single-child parents can have two children
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>>35118915
>all this call of duty mumbo jumbo
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>>35119088
You sound like a jewish manipulator
Tell me why US/UK/Israel alliance plots to destroy EVERY country trying to stabilise it's own currency by gold.
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