I'm going to be dumping nondegenerate music itt. I've noticed that in previous /pol/ music threads, popular music styles (this includes punk and metal fyi, as well as offshoots thereof) tend to outnumber the classical submissions, and that the latter are limited to a distressingly small scope. While there's nothing wrong with (some) popular music, it cannot be disputed that the 1000+ year old art music tradition is one of the foremost legacies of European civilization. Consequently, I don't believe anyone can truly claim to be pro-West without having immersed themselves in classical music.
I think one of the main reasons people put off getting into classical music is because of the sheer quantity that is available. Not only do you have a written tradition extending from the way back in the early Middle Ages to the present day, but there are countless performances of any given piece and no consensus on which is definitive or "the best". Cultivating even a superficial understanding of the history and evolution can rapidly turn into a full time job, but it's especially arduous if one doesn't even have a roadmap to follow. This chart is a very good resource, as it provides links to music spanning the entire temporal spectrum of the tradition,and each of these recordings/performances has been vetted for quality. While it is by no means comprehensive or objective, as it heavily reflects a single user's preferences, it is a fine place for the uninitiated to begin.
A good chunk of classical music is far more popular than a lot of metal. You said it yourself that it's a 1000+ year old musical tradition.
Nobody should be using the term popular music to refer to anything unless it's being played on the radio.
Cool post OP.
Here's a guide to right wing books just in case any lurkers want to find something to read.
Although he did not live to see his 32nd birthday, Franz Schubert left as his legacy one of the greatest bodies of work in musical history, penning masterpieces in almost every major musical genre of his era. A native of Vienna and contemporary of Beethoven, Schubert's music perhaps best represents the tension between the ideals of the Viennese Classicists – heavily inspired by the Enlightenment and its thinkers – and those of the burgeoning Romantic period, who rejected those ideals in favor of an individualistic bent and a return to an idyllic and organic existence.
Popular/commercial music is anything which is neither classical/art music nor folk/traditional music. This includes heavy metal and its offshoots.
Stepping a few centuries backward we find Johannes Ockeghem, member of the Franco-Flemish school of polyphony and generally regarded as the most influential musician prior to Josquin des Prez and later than Guillaume DuFay. A technician without peer (at least, until J.S. Bach), Ockeghem pushed the conventions of his time to their absolute logical limit. Although little of his work has passed down to us, what little we have testifies to his profound talent, as do the testimonies of his contemporaries and mentees (for example, this lament by Josquin: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWejo9uYsNk).
Straddling the 19th and 20th centuries, Danish composer Carl Nielsen eschewed the High Romanticism of Richard Wagner, the "impressionism" of Claude Debussy, and the modernism of Schoenberg and his Second Viennese School in favor of his own idiosyncratic approach to classical tonality. Although spawning few imitators, Nielsen is rightly regarded as one of the crowning gems of his home country Denmark and of Scandinavian music in general. He is best known for his symphonies.
A central figure within German Romanticism, Robert Schumann first showed promise as a piano virtuoso before a training mishap permanently injured his hand, leading him to become overshadowed by his wife Clara within his own lifetime. Although best known as a composer of piano music, it is a misconception to believe that Schumann's talents were limited to this medium. Schumann suffered from bipolar disorder throughout his lifetime, and died in an insane asylum after several years' confinement following a failed suicide attempt.
Mozart doesn't need a blurb. In fact, the most extravagant praise would be a gross understatement. Mozart is the greatest musician to ever walk the earth.
Great thread. You're doing God's work, CLT.
>the most extravagant praise would be a gross understatement
Why is Stravinsky so fucking good? This is my favorite post-Romantic piece:
Literally made a thread about it today.
In a rare case for a classical composer, Carlo Gesualdo is probably better known for his personal biography than for any of his compositions. An Italian noble of the late Renaissance, Gesualdo is infamous for having murdered his first wife and her lover after returning from a fake hunting trip and discovering them in flagrante delicto. Reportedly, after stabbing his wife dozens of times with a sword, a blood-covered Gesualdo attempted to return to the bedchamber, claiming "She might still be alive." According to some accounts, he murdered their infant son as well, suspending him in his cradle outside a tower window and shaking him to death. Racked by guilt later in his life, Gesualdo went on to produce some of the most chromatic music composed prior to the 20th century.
You have good taste. Threni is underrated even for a post-Rite of Spring Stravinsky piece.
>Literally made a thread about it today.
Palestrina is terrific fun to perform. The music practically sings itself.
At this point in the thread I'd like to ask for feedback. What pieces and/or composers have you Volker been enjoying? What sort of stuff would you like to hear more of? I'll check back in a little while.
Why don't you just trip? You'll be recognized instantly and there won't be misunderstandings and confusion.
Other than that, welcome to /pol/. I've never understood the hate you've got for many Romantic composers, especially Wagner and Mahler, but in all fairness I enjoy almost all the essential First Viennese School composers a great deal more.
He got laughed off of /mu/ after his constant feminist shitposting. Unfortunately, /mu/ still thinks that tumblr thinking is ok, so when he took his /pol/ attitudes with him, they promptly told him to fuck off.
Damn straight he is. I'm sure you've already heard the Peer Gynt suite, but I'll post it for the benefit of those itt who've only been exposed to "Mountain King". It's overplayed, but it's overplayed for a reason.
Of course, his true genius shone clearest through his piano music.
Although he wrote chamber music which foreshadows Debussy's, despite actually being good.
Then of course there are his songs, although for whatever reason those are difficult to find on YouTube.
>OP baits /mu/ with the standard "is it ok to grope women who crowdsurf?" thread
>thread derails into people being legitimately mad at the shitposters saying yes
>CLT strolls in and spouts of the typical /pol/ banter
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.
Forgot my pic.
What do _you_ mean? You've been shitposting firetrucks whenever anons has mentioned Wagner, Mahler and Schoenberg. I understood it with Rach and 'Kovsky, because they're legitimately bad, but it went over the top when you started dissing almost all Romantic music that wasn't Brahms and Schumann.
Not that I'm stupid enough to ignore that Mozart, Schubert and Beethoven were greater than all of them.
I enjoy how the first comment on this is a reference to QfG4.
(Incidentally, that's where I first heard the piece too.)
I really like Dvorak.
You appear to have me confused with someone else.
One of the greatest composers of his generation.
Here is also a music i particulary appreciated. But i don't have much more, i just began to get interested into classical music.
Are you joking?
You might like www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAqJLXmjZOY
Nah, I'm just kidding around, although that song does take its melody from the Saint-Saëns organ concerto.
Have you heard www.youtube.com/watch?v=22MPF0HGKuY yet?
>posts a pic of CLT in OP
>posts CLT's guide
>posts small essays of CLT's favorite composers
>writing style is just like CLT's
>this >>34664690 has 1408463456599 as file
>same picture appears when searching in the archive https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S49202482#p49206596
>hurr not sure what their connection is to me
>he seems witty and intelligent though xD
Come on, CLT. Are you really trying to hide your identity? It won't happen.
>you will never be so witty, intelligent, and charismatic that a troupe of amateur internet detectives and conspiracy theorists follows you from board to board attempting to pin your identity to unrelated events
>they will never do it for free
Hehe, it was pretty obvious. The file search was really just to piss you off because I for some reason remembered that Nazi feel face, probably because I liked and saved the image.
And it wasn't off-topic/unrelated. I asked why you've been shitposting whenever Wagner and Mahler has been mentioned in /classical/ threads.
I'm just yanking your chain (but if you were actually wondering, the reason I post anonymously on this board is because trips aren't well received on other boards compared to on /mu/).
Re: Wagner, I legitimately agree with Rossini's assessment pictured at left. I've seen the Ring cycle and T&I and Parsifal and they're gorgeous at times, but also exhausting. When I "shitpost" about Wagner, I try to reserve it for when someone has implied that Wagnerian tragedies are intrinsically better than comedies and/or Italian opera, which happens a lot. That's probably why it seems like I hate Wagner, even though I don't.
Mahler on the other hand I've just never much cared for. I dunno why.
Whose folk music? Pic related is one of my favorite albums, even though it isn't Western.
The Brabant Ensemble, you mean? Yeah, they're based as fuck.
Don't forget that Allegri's Miserere Mei Deus is the piece that inspire Mozart to become a composure instead of a virtuoso. Very important piece imho.
However, none of them succeeded in capturing the beauty of the Miserere as performed annually in the Sistine Chapel. According to the popular story (backed up by family letters), the fourteen-year-old Mozart was visiting Rome, when he first heard the piece during the Wednesday service.
Try to find translation of the family letters. He said his father was pushing him to become a virtuoso, but the joy he found in transcribing miserere convinced him to become a composure instead
Thanks for this, and more would be appreciated.
A personal favorite of mine is Josquin. Then Brahms would be my 2nd favorite composer tied with Schubert.
Oh wow, I'd actually heard that story on http://www.amazon.com/Mozarts-Magnificent-Voyage-Ta-Classical-Kids/dp/B0000061XX/ref=sr_1_31?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1408997412&sr=1-31, which I had when I was a little kid, but until now I'd thought it was just apocryphal.
What I love about Rossini's operas is that you don't need to understand the language to understand the jokes.
Ah, based Brahms. Have you got favorite pieces of his?
The first link you posted is probably my favorite. I know it isn't very controversial, but holy fucking God it's just so good. Especially "Denn alles Fleisch, es ist wie Gras".
Damn, haven't even listened to this yet. What's it like?
Lives in Burlington, Vermont
From Billerica, Massachusetts
He is also an SJW game developer he probably wants to fuck Zoey.
champlain college burlington vermont
Not Op but many composers wrote great folk-esk inspired music too. The popular one being catches.
Henry Purcell wrote many fun catches:
Tis Women makes us drink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXm7tUse03E
Once, twice, thrice I Julia tried:
Come let us drink:
John Dowland is another great composer (Also if you like Sting he recorded a nice album of his songs
All ye whom love:
Am I a pleb for liking Tchaikovsky? Anyone here have any opinions of his work? I'm just getting into classical, and am loving both of these:
This thread needs some Handel! Or can you not handel his rich masterpieces? Sorry but I couldn't resist!
It is a fantastic movie, albeit wildly inaccurate.
>dum dummmm dum *Tristan chord* *ambiguous noncadence*
Needs more Theodora www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6IBUhHVcM8
>look at me I listen to classical music, I'm so fancy!
Pro tip retards, nothing separates classical from shit like Nicki Minaj, except for tastes.
Your music selection is completely subjective. Nothing makes it "better" than other music.
>pic related, all of you
Hi OP, great thread. My personal favourite is Satie, he's done some amazing works. Both the more publically known as Gnossienne & Gymnopedie, but also stuff like Petite ouverture a danser & les binocles are so good.
L'art pompier, literally "Fireman Art", is a derisive late-nineteenth-century French term for large "official" academic art paintings of the time, especially historical or allegorical ones. It derives from the helmets with horse-hair tails, worn at the time by French firemen, which are similar to the Greek-style helmets[disambiguation needed] often worn in such works by allegorical personifications, classical warriors, or Napoleonic cavalry. It also suggests half-puns in French with Pompéin ("from Pompeii"), and pompeux ("pompous"). Pompier art was seen by those who used the term as the epitome of the values of the bourgeoisie, and as insincere and overblown.
>Although he wrote chamber music which foreshadows Debussy's, both of which are quite good
Is the Second Viennese school allowed, or is that too degenerate?
Also Webern was an avid supporter of the Nazis
Fuck off ya cunt. Howard Goodall is a full-blown Kike who roundly denigrated Wagner's work and trivialized his far-reaching influence in this. Additionally he goes on a long tirade about Nazis and "muh six gorillian" and reaches the uneducated conclusion that Mahler was a superior composer. In this very series no less, where he actually orchestrates Lady Gaga's Pokerface as an introduction to one of the episodes. Besides being the usual kind of kike who cannot help but make a political issue of everything and generally be a shit-disturber, he has terrible taste. He is an aesthetic relativist buffoon who thinks Beethoven's Eroica, On Blueberry Hill, and probably California Girls are all of equal artistic merit.
Tl;dr Even if you like Jews, Howard Goodall is still a piece of shit.
Frederick II the Great, flute sonata XI (D-minor), Pak Di Na, 13 y.o.
>English , writing in 1948, suggested that Claude Debussy's String Quartet, also in G minor, was either consciously or subconsciously modelled on Grieg's quartet.
But I suppose you'd know better than musicologist Gerald Abraham.
>The work seems to be influenced by the style of César Franck. The result is a cyclic structure with the four movements connected by thematic material. Other influences include Borodin and Javanese gamelan music.
Debussy acknowledged the wonderful Grieg as one of his influences, but there are others as well, Borodin's is definitely most prominent.
Even though Schoenberg was a Jew I am not of the belief he was trying to ruin music as part of some monolithic kike campaign to ruin western culture. He truly came along at a time where it seemed difficult to innovate and not simply emulate other composers. And in fact according to Theodore Adorno Schoenberg's compositional style was ultimately more Authentic than Stravinsky's which was to compose music from prefabricated elements, a structuralist approach which probably culminated in the work of the American Minimalists. And we all know how awful and soulless that music is. But Berg is by far the greatest serialist
>a structuralist approach which probably culminated in the work of the American Minimalists
I disagree with this sentiment, but
>But Berg is by far the greatest serialist
No arguments here
>Even though Schoenberg was a Jew I am not of the belief he was trying to ruin music as part of some monolithic kike campaign to ruin western culture
He was actually incredibly nationalistic of his homeland before the rising surge of antisemitism spawned by Zionists in Europe.
He thought of himself German before he was a jew during his early years before his invention of dodecaphonic music
Hmm, interesting. Still it hardly captures the aesthetic of Debussy's chamber work as a whole. In fact that could not be done with a single piece. He was even daring enough to write most of his Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp in the Locrian mode. The least consonant mode of the seven and hardly ever used for this reason.
It was more the implication of what CLT said. That it foreshadowed Debussy's chamber music but was actually good. He is basically saying that Grieg did what debussy did but better. I was merely correcting this vault in logic.
>How is Adams any better than Glass?
Adams is twenty times better than Glass
>How is Part not nearly as poor as Glass except for some renaissance polyphony thrown in
Most people only know him by his Suite bergamasque and Twillight cameo, if they actually took their time and listen to his 2nd book of Preludes, Etudes, late sonatas, and Pelleas, they'd realize what an amazing composer he is
Lel, CLT stop making it so obvious, at least bait a little harder
Glass is shit. It's unfair when a man like Gershwin dies so early in his prime while a fucking kike like Glass is free to live long enough to compose his shit and rape everybody's ears.
Bump, come on don;t let this thread die, the one on /mu/ barely has 20 posts
>Dissonance resolves briefly to consonance, before moving back to dissonance
no it doesn't.
there is no consonance in the entire tristan chord complex, even though it may be interpreted as a half-cadence that is sequenced in diatonic thirds.
this is a good opportunity to ask again. Is Animal Collective degenerate? Does their style inherently promote a leftist ideology, because it has a psychedelic/dissociative sound? Or is it simply beautiful music?
It's degenerate because it's simple entry level hipster trash that tries and fails to be 2deep4u. Now please stop shitting up the thread, the big kids are talking. Polite sage for off topic.
>There isn't much that I feel I need
>A solid soul and the blood I bleed
>But with a little girl, and by my spouse,
>I only want a proper house.
>I don't care for fancy things
>Or to take part in the freshest wave,
>But to provide for mine who ask
>I will, with heart, on my father's grave.
>I don't mean to seem like I
>Care about material things,
>Like a social status
>I just want
>Four walls and adobe slabs
>For my girls.
This is literally the opposite of degeneracy. This is crypto-traditional values being sold to leftist hipsters under the guise of drug music.
>He likes something I don't like.
>I'm going to accuse him of liking it to show off (hipster).
Yeah, no, faggot. I don't listen to music in public, and I don't act like a hipster. I just happen to like animal collective. The first time I heard it, I was watching a video of an old man smoking weed for the first time. The song Loch Raven played at the end. I loved it and spent a while trying to figure out what the song was. Feels and Spirit They're gone are my favorite albums, and MPP is good too.
I find it annoying that you aren't allowed to like something without being pigeonholed into a group or accused of liking it with ulterior motives.
Guess what, I'm an EE major and I also like dadrock. That doesn't mean I have to dislike animal collective. I have never even been to /mu/ extensively.
The song Amanita laments what has happened to psychedelic drugs when divorced from traditions and shamanism. AnCo's music has always sought to be something a little more than "woah man so trippy" music. Their lyrics are mostly about taking care of yourself.
Overall, they're not political enough to make a judgement call. They're fun and seem to advocate discovering yourself and the world around you.
So not degenerate, but not high art or anything either. I'd say they are the psychedelic band with the most grounded/healthy view of the world. Most other psychedelic bands seem to spawn swarms of hippies who mutter BS about shakras and vibes.
>The first time I heard it, I was watching a video of an old man smoking weed for the first time
Why do you care if it's degenerate music then? You obviously have no qualms about degenerate behavior in your own life. By the way when I say "entry level hipster trash", I mean it is trash that entry level hipsters listen to, not necessarily that you are yourself a hipster.
good, I always get the same vibe from them. They don't seem political, just mellow guys enjoying life and trying to perceive the world around them as much as possible. They might be liberals, but their music doesn't show it.
The other guys are cool, Panda Bear at least looks like he's a bit of a 2deep4u faggot.
Try to cram a few more internet locations in there would ya? Sure Debussy's music sounds fruity as fuck. Its certainly not for Fedoras who need something "heavy" like Shostakovich and cannot retain their madculinity in the face of Whole-Tone glissandos.
Gonna off-topic but what do you think about this statement classical listeners (related to metal)
"most influential musicians have been guitar players who have also studied classical music. Their appropriation and adaptation of classical models sparked the development of a new kind of guitar virtuosity [and] changes in the harmonic and melodic language of heavy metal."
"Kurt Bachmann of Believer has stated that "If done correctly, metal and classical fit quite well together. Classical and metal are probably the two genres that have the most in common when it comes to feel, texture, creativity."
I just thought the video was interesting. He was using it medically.
inb4 "muh no medical uses"
We've been over this plenty, there are medical uses for many cannabinoids, and they are backed by biochemical logic. I would support the use of extracted or synthesized cannabinoids more so than smoking weed, however, smoking weed itself isn't really that bad. There's no conclusive evidence that it can cause any permanent alteration in brain function, and it is actually neutral in cancer, even lung cancer, because of the anti tumour and anticancer properties of some cannabinoids.
So no, even though I don't smoke, I don't consider medical use, or responsible recreational use, degenerate.
I don't condone xxDD le rebbit /r/trees 420blzItFGT ebin stuff
How much different is having a little toke than having a little mead after a long day's work being master race?
That quote sounds like something you could read on ANUS.
That said, skilled metal musicians can produce good music as long as someone else composes it for them.
>you will never wake up on your painter friend's sofa at noon, scribble some masterpieces on a napkin while you wait for your breakfast, and then head down to the tavern and drink all night and break shit while complaining about how you're dying of syphilis
>pretended to be poor
>liked lele so avant-garde music (Beethoven's late string quartets, Mozart, and Haydn)
>faked his own death
>Ironically got an STD
>smoked tons of weed and blazed it on 4/19
>nobody heard of his friends that champoined his music
Shubert is a proto hipster
shut up CLT, I'm still gonna rape your sister
*tips fedora so hard it tears a void in space and time and sucks in all patricians like us le good sirs to live in an atonal utopia where it doesn't actually sound like total shit*
Beethoven vs. Mozart
Opera - Mozart
Chamber music - Tie
Symphonies - Beethoven
Choral music - Mozart
Concerti - Mozart
Solo keyboard - Beethoven
I think you may have autism :/
Fuck off faggot
>muh minor key compositions
>muh arppegiated minor chords
>muh music full of meaning because it's sad
>/lit/ guide to right-wing literature
>from a board where posting any sentence expressing an opinion to the right of the average MSLSD anchor gets you an instantaneous ban
Why am I not believing this poster?
>posting that same shit
Nope. Don't you fucking link me to the dissonance quartet, Beethoven's late quartets blows the fuck out of any generic major key slop Mozart shat out.
>he thinks Beethoven's music is most commonly defined as being sad
What stands out about these pieces? What makes them unique in any way, even from each other?
>need something for the left hand
>hmmm just throw in some alberti bass
top kek faggots nice shit taste
classical is ok but I never got too much into it, my tastes are varied but what I've always felt I loved was an intensive use of the viola, I do not mean that they focus on the use of the viola but how they use it. Are there any compositions/composers that focus on the viola greatly?
it's normalfag central alright but if you ignore those guys that are into nigger music they're actually racist (in my experience), it's just that mods ban any hint of it over there which is why they just don't voice it
the only one you're safe to assume is sjw is /co/
Actually, my point was that you'd attempt to change the subject rather than perform a thematic analysis to verify your claim of "the same form and chords and ending and all samey", since I expect the latter is beyond your abilities.
Taking a look at the sheet music:
Tempo markings are Allegro, Andante, Allegro and Allegro, Andante, Allegretto
Second movement is in the subdominant for both of them.
They both open with some staccato like tunes.
They both make frequent use of a short short short long rhythm, either 3 eighth notes and a quarter or a triplet of sixteenths and a quarter.
The first movement for both ends on C, but that's obvious and justified.
First movement for both is in sonata form
Third movement is in rondo form
Only second movements have different forms
First movement for both in common time, finale of both in 2/4
Both end with rapid scales before coming to an ending with 3 chords. One has an up up (same note) down motion and the other has an down up down.
Probably trills and alberti bass and scales all over the place but I'm not going to scour the sheet music.
Other than that, there's nothing really innovative about those pieces, or lasting and memorable. Beethoven had his fair share of non innovative pieces but even those early works stretched the formulas. When Beethoven did innovate, he did so far more than Mozart.
Should be subdominant instead of mediant but essentially right.
>Should be a completely different chord but still essentially right.
His broader point that the music is formulaic seems to stand.
>attacking people without sticking out your own neck
What a complete faggot. You get to feel like you "won" by "telling us off", but safely avoid making specific arguments that we can refute. You're not fooling anyone.
In terms of harmonic function? Absolutely, iii and IV are completely different.
>the music is formulaic
The problem is that this is a meaningless generalization.
Here is an example diagram of the first movement of K.550
Is modern art music "regenerate"? synthesis of old and new, both in forms styles and instruments.
>In terms of harmonic function? Absolutely, iii and IV are completely different.
Hello, why are we discussing music theory on /pol/?
You're correct, the iii is a mediant chord, it's rarely used besides going to and from the tonic chord, some people analyse this as simply a prolongation of the tonic chord and thus not a chord in itself.
The IV chord, on the other hand, is frequently used to set up a dominant chord (or predominant chord, thus its name as the "subdominant" chord) before a cadence, such the overused progression of I IV V.
I kind of like Jazz. I think performing harmonic analysis in a Jazz style (ie, pretending harmony is simply choosing a bunch of chord) is very misguided in some times. Many chord progressions, especially those written between Bach and Wagner, were actually written contrapuntally with only some allusions/wariness of harmonic function. Even something like Wagner was still written more contrapuntally than harmonically, which doesn't quite seem like it since he abused the fuck out of chromaticism, but it's still mostly contrapuntal.
It wasn't until the 20th century did counterpoint kind of go out of style, and the reasons for this were more functional than anything. It's near impossible to improvise to contrapuntal music in a free style, the most you can do is adlib and fill in spots. I'll explain this better if anyone cares.
Psathas is a proper classical composer, I'm sure he writes with careful attention to harmonic function. A sax concerto is always going to sound pretty jazzy, but its written from a contemporary composition perspective by a guy who specializes in virtuosic pieces.
He often makes use of microtones and greek/middle eastern scales. Does very interesting work:
>thus its name as the "subdominant" chord
No, it's called the subdominant because its root is four scale degrees below the tonic whereas the dominant's root is four scale degrees above the tonic.
Please do not spew misinformation. It's bad enough with one guy itt who won't stop doing it.
That anon was ignorant. Even a simple Wikipedia search would have provided enough information to debunk his claims, yet apparently that amount of background research was more than he could stomach.
It literally says the opposite.
>His resulting solutions are varied (, apart from at a broad level) and complex.
>none of the mature series is really similar to any of the others structurally
Am I the only literate person in here?
A lot of the "history" is pulled directly out of Herzog's ass, but it's an entertaining watch regardless.
>the pinnacle of 19th century music
Nah. There's better 19th century vocal music.
How do I into this kind of analysis? Whenever I try to find resources about serious music theory, I keep getting intro level stuff. I know the (probably very)basics, and I find harmony super interesting. Textbooks or other resources would be greatly appreciated.
I stand by that statement. Wagner's operas weren't the most consistent, but nothing in the 19th century equaled the opening chords to Gotterdammerung, or the prelude to Das Rheingold; especially anything by Bruckner.
There are slight differences between various college textbooks but pretty much any of them will explain how to do that. The best way to get your hands on one is to wait until a part of the year when students are selling their used books and then looking for a good deal on eBay. You can also see what Amazon reviewers wrote, but like I said this stuff is pretty universal.
FINALLY SOME GODDAMN MENTIONING OF HINDEMITH!
I've mentioned him in tons of music threads on this board, but gave up on trying to force him into /pol/'s music library when practically nobody gave a fuck.
My favorites are Danse Manatee, MPP, and Feels, in that order. My least favorite is Sung Tongs.
I don't know why Hindemith can't get popular. Stuff like www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiEkO5NOBno should be irresistible.
And Roger Waters thinks DSOTM is a better album than Ummagumma. This does not make it so.
Creators tend to be lousy self-critics in general, but of Bruckner this was especially true. Hence the eponymous Problem.
A /mu/ tripfag who made a lot of people very angry when she claimed that classical music was better than EDM and meme rap.
I'm not saying that Bruckner's praise of Wagner is necessarily evidence of his superiority, I thought it was just interesting to point out. It's funny that you used someone who was so infatuated with Wagner as an example of a musician who's better than him.
I'm sorry /pol/ they made me open my eyes when I was a teen and I don't think I would be a /pol/ack without them
>Too hair-folk for me.
What? They both contain wonderful melodies, and the guitar playing in "Narrow Way" is way stronger than the gimmicky guitar solos with zero harmonic development which would characterize their later music.
Seriously, how can you not like "The Narrow Way"? Or, when I think of it, what do you even mean by "hair-folk"?
I mentioned "Grantchester Meadows" if not only for the terrific production. The overall aesthetic arc is undeniably great.