Weird Political Views Only You Probably Have

>>33631650

No one? ;_;

>>33631650

I think that states which take more in federal taxes than they give for multiple years should be sanctioned.

I think we should identity individuals with a perpencity for hereditary problems, and offer them $1500 a month for the rest of their lives if they agree to be sterilized.

I think that the American credit reporting system has to be drastically revamped in favor of the consumer, and that it needs to be consolidated into one, highly regulated, company instead of three.

I think there should be a cap placed on the profitability of some markets, such as rental housing and medical services.

I think employers should give serious consideration to the 4 day 40 hour workweek.

It would be nice if the homesteading act were reintroduced.

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>>33632380
>I think employers should give serious consideration to the 4 day 40 hour workweek.
mfw work at walmart in warehousing
mfw we have 4 day 40 hours OR 3 day 12 hour shifts.
mfw I'm one of the few workers with a 5 day work week. fuck I hate 5 day work weeks

>>33632798
>mfw we have 4 day 40 hours OR 3 day 12 hour shifts.
oops 4 day 10 hour shifts

Police should be an unarmed conscript force where everyone has to serve at least two years on the service between 30 and 35, in whatever capacity they'd be most useful. Nobody younger should ever be permitted to join the service, but you should be able to stay on (completely unarmed) after your term is finished.

You need cops to shoot at people who have more fire-power than a handful of cops with regular handguns? Call SWAT, morons.

A segregated Libertarian lower class ruled by national socialist upper class.

>>33632380
>I think employers should give serious consideration to the 4 day 40 hour workweek.

Nigga, you better mean the 4 hour workday.

>>33631650
Robert Heinlein's idea of only people who serve their communities get to vote or hold public office. inb4 muh military. read the damn book.
Bill Whittle's idea that everyone should have to spend a week in the woods every year so they appreciate the hard work that goes into keeping the US running.
had this insane idea at work today
The big bad statist government should put the thumb screws to the movie industry and force them to work overtime on creating movies that we can sell over seas to pay off this huge debt. As a matter of fact any rich ass hole in the entertainment industry that opens their mouth on TV about spending tax money on muh programs should get a similar shake down.Ass holes wanted big government and to help the poor. let them be the first ones to offer up their fortunes to"make everything equal"

make the law that if someone kills someone, that person loses the right to live
with that i dont mean that we kill them
we put them in prison, remove 1 kidney a part of the liver and a part of the lung and give that to those who need it
this way this person will give something back

also test untested drugs on them, not the unknown ones, but those who got past rats and mices

I wouldn't call most of these weird but I'll post them none the less.

>All people on welfare should have to take drug tests.

>Minimum wage should be completely abolished.

>All people in grade school are required to be in a 1 hour gym class every school day

>Outlaw Universities from using racial background as a preference for acceptance

>introduce a fat tax on "fast food" restaurants

>>33633189
yes
maybe
YES
yes
damn it, bloomberg. you failed with outlawing super sized drinks. get over it.

>>33633189
>>All people on welfare should have to take drug tests.

Make that all people on the government dime and then maybe.

If it smells like shit everywhere you go, check the bottom of your shoe.
Unpopular views are often unpopular for a reason. In spite of what many of you seem to think, you're barely more educated than the average voter.
Argumentum ad populum is not necessarily a logical fallacy. Any argument pertaining to language, for instance, is naturally argumentum ad populum. What a word refers to is decided by the general consensus of the people who use it.

Some of your views are particularly backwards and irrational. If divorce were outlawed, and only death could nullify a marriage, you would make it legally impossible for someone to find someone else in the event of their spouse cheating, abusing them, abusing their children, or being useless deadweight that consumes without contribution. Divorce was particularly taboo in my grand mother's time, and her parents forced her to marry a man who raped her at the age of 14.
Should she have been legally obligated to stay devoted to him, even after he tried to rape their 7 year-old daughter?

By the way, old, country people are really fucked up.

>>33631650
>no divorce
Retarded.
>no adoption
Leads to abandonment/broken families.
>genetically enforced families
Expensive and pointless, because outcome will be shit.
>segregated workplaces
Why? No good reason for it other than 'muh feelings' and some kind of retarded male-persecution-complex.
>no religion under 16
Pointless. Religion doesn't make people stupid, stupid people make religion. Doesn't solve anything because you can't ban stupid.
>no kids on the internet
Yes.

>the church and the state should be separated
>so should the laboratory and the state
>and the schools and state
>in fact the state should focus only on roads, mail, police, and military
>if people want support for things that have nothing to do with the state then they should send them their own damn money rather than waiting for gubment to shell out tax dollars

>we should force china to balkanize because so long as it is bigger than us it will always have the potential to overtake us
>russia too
>just don't start a war over it, somehow...

>>33633183
Cruel and unusual punishment. Muhammad would be proud, Alibaba!
Well, him and the last two American presidents.

>>33633183
>make the law that if someone kills someone, that person loses the right to live
They're called human rights, not 'people i like' rights.

>>33633183

Actually I like this idea, in a way, make death row inmates all organ donors?

I don't even believe in the death penalty but I think that idea -- that's the kind of ideas I'm talking about. Stuff that actually seems like a good idea but doesn't fit or jive with your own worldview. Makes you really question your own thinking on everything.

>>33631650
>>I think kids under the age of 16 shouldn't be legally allowed on the Internet.
Yep. Definitely this. No mobile phone contracts either.

The internet is a global communications device, not a babysitter for parents, or a homework helper.

The parents should then be liable for letting their kid use the internet, especially when the kid fucks up online.

>>33633288

Heres my issue, smokes are taxed, alcohol is taxed, so if somebody wants to smoke or drink, problem.

Fast food is the leading cause of obesity. What pisses me off is when obese people continue to eat at these places. They are nothing but a future burden to the tax payer. We all have to pay for their future hospital trips because of their choices.

At least with things like smokes and alcohol, the people somewhat contribute to what they are doing to themselves.

>>33633189

I didn't start this thread to start fights but I want to counter your beliefs with one mine

>NO ONE should have to take a drug test ever, unless it' for medical purposes

I think you have a right to your privacy about what's going on in your body.

>>33631650
I am 100% with you on the divorce thing OP. I never verbalize it, but I believe it's the number one cause of degeneracy post-18th/19th century. If you removed the safety net it provides should a relationship break down, people would be a lot more careful in selecting which partner they want to foster a family with. And allowing two people to marry who have no intention of founding a family - or who are incapable of founding a family, whether biologically or financially - is pants on head retarded. Funnily enough, I support same-sex marriage, and processes like adoption or IVF or surrogacy. But entry into marriage should be conditional that within a year from forming the contract, you will have a child. (Waived, of course, under the circumstance that a child already exists between the pair)

>I think kids under the age of 16 shouldn't be legally allowed on the Internet.
But then 4chan would die...

>>33631650
Children should be forced to learn to use a gun from a young age and everybody should be forced to have a gun (crazy people obviously tested for to try to prevent armed crazies).

>>33633491
>a homework helper.

It IS a homework helper. Learning how to find and parse information is a useful skill.

If your kid can't bypass your internet security by the time they're 16, they have insufficient IT skills for modern living.

>>33633491
They already are liable for any damage that their kid does online, Mr. Law Man. The owner of the isp account is the one who is held legally responsible for anyone's illegal activity on that account, adult or not.
>or a homework helper
>the internet is only used for my super serious anonymous club house and vidya gaems because I said so
I suppose they shouldn't be allowed to go to malls either. After all, a mall isn't a babysitter, or an apple product vendor!

>>33633589
How do you know which children you're forcing to learn about gun use will turn out to be crazy and not?

>>33633554

I completely agree. Except when the government is paying your bills, I think you lose that right.

>>33633617
Psych evaluations and general observation.

Obviously some would get through but with an armed populace that knows how to fight any crazies that go full private pile are getting killed very quickly.

>>33633611
>illegal activity on that account

Yep, kids on the internet can sure cause a lot of damage to other people using the internet. They might insult them, or...

>>33633650

Private Pyle was DRIVEN crazy. He was the only sane, respectable man in the unit at the start of the film.

>>33633696
Lets not turn this into a debate of whether Private Pyle was fit for the marine core (obviously not). But you get the point.

>>33633541
>hey are nothing but a future burden to the tax payer.
how does me eating shit food affect tax payers? maybe my employers health insurance costs.

>>33633554
I agree with you.
Drugs aren't the only thing people waste shit tons of money on.
I used to do loads of drugs, but I'd say that fast food probably took more money out of my pocket than any single substance ever did.
Also, think about the fuckers that use the money to go out every fucking weekend as if it's their right to party with tax payers money.... I find that shit far more concerning.

>>33633650
A better question then (on something I would know nothing about, living in a nogunz nanny state) would be how young are we going to be "forcing them to learn", and how long do you expect it will take for them to be handy with a firearm? Because if these are monthly (or even weekly) lessons, it shouldn't take more than 18 months for the children to be proficient. And by that point, all it takes is for the next Elliot Rodger to get in touch with some arms dealer and take out 2 or 3 unsuspecting members of your public before the rest of them unleash hell on him.
I should add that I disagree with you not because I'm averse to an armed populace, much to the contrary, I just don't like the idea of forcing children to learn practical skills that aren't mere adaptations. (Like language, elementary mathematics and the like)

>>33633676
Or pirate.
Or spread cp.
Or get the rest of /b/ together and ddos someone.
There's a lot of illegal shit that they can do. I'm not sure if you're arguing with me or not.

>>33633411
>balkanize china

100% this
Smashing the chinese state is probably the only form of interventionism I would support because there really are only benefits to it. Take out The US' biggest enemy, which happens to be the most murderous dictatorship in history, stop their expansionist policy and keep them down

Sometimes I wonder if rape should be a crime punishable by death
So it'll deter actual rapists and (HOPEFULLY) prevent false accusations of rape

>>33633589
So what's the benefit of every citizen learning to use and owning a firearm?

>>33633737

Sorry Canadianfag here

>>33633189
No fuck off
No fuck off
We have that now.
Sure
No

>>33633541
>They are nothing but a future burden to the tax payer. We all have to pay for their future hospital trips because of their choices.
No they aren't. Fat people cost less over their lifetime than healthy people because they die early and don't need old age care.

So really, they should get tax breaks.

But suddenly you're against taxing people depending on their costs when I suggest that, aren't you?

>>33633761
From the age of 11 seems acceptable to me.

It also means that children with psychological problems (such as Elliott Rodgers who was spotted years before) would be spotted and thus not receive training.

>>33633805
Mass shooting casualties drop as people in public have their own firearms etc they can respond to attackers with.

Harder to rob people who are armed. Generally a society with well trained groups of armed people is a safer society. Switzerland for example.

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>>33633849
PRAISE THE FAT MAN!

HE SOLVES ALL OUR NATIONAL DEBT PROBLEMS BY DYING BEFORE HE BECOMES OLD AND USELESS!

>>33633872
Basically, yes.

>>33633850
My main concern is people that react irrationally to situations where there is pressure on them.
Think about all the nervous ass drivers on the road that cause accidents because they aren't confident in themselves... Now imagine giving all these people a gun.
And I would argue that not only the mentally ill murder, I've known man people in my years on this planet that should absolutely not own a gun because of:
A) Stupidity, and
B) Uncontrollable rage.
There's just too many dumb fucks for that to work man... Murder would go through the roof in my opinion.
I could be very wrong though, after all the Swiss have pulled it off pretty well so far.

>>33633825
Oh. Well I guess that explains the confusion. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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>>33631650
The only functions of the state should be the defense of the lives and property.

"Harmonious society is a garden, its walls are the state."

Services such as justice, education, health, transport, energy, sanitation, supervision, monetary issues, and all other more, should be provided by private parties.

The penal slavery should be a common and beneficial solution to the criminality.

A legislative body is absolutely unnecessary.

>this is a weird political vision today

DNA testing of new borns is required before anyone signs a birth certificate.

Aight, I'll contribute.

>If you falsely accuse someone of a crime, intentionally, you receive whatever punishment the criminal would have received.

>More crimes should go back to a default death penalty, like murder, rape, etc. Keep them in jail for 5 or 10 years, and if they're not cleared by then, they probably did it. Kill em.

>Theft over a certain amount should also default to death. Its getting ridiculous that people can get away with fraud on the scale that they do.

>Logic should be introduced as a core class in elementary school. I had literally three days of teaching on logic in school. It was in like my junior year. And they wonder why I sucked at algebra. Literally spent years failing math, learned just a little logic, and everything started clicking, everything, all at once.

>I think things like rape, adultery, and sodomy should carry the death penalty. No I'm not a Christian.

>>33633958
You just described Libertarianism.

>>33633961
I like that a lot.
Good luck getting that past feminists and the like though.

>>33633954
>I could be very wrong though, after all the Swiss have pulled it off pretty well so far.
The Swiss do not have what gunfags say they have.

Trust me, I've actually visited Switzerland. It's not some libertardian paradise where everyone has a minigun in their kitchen for removing tough stains.

Reduce term limits on government rule to 1-2 years.

No single party may run in an election for 2 subsequent terms after winning a term.

Parties may not affiliate with each other.

Lobbying/donations are totally and utterly illegal.

Proportionate seizure of property and money takes precedence over incarceration.

Put all legislation and policy subject to an automatic public vote if the automatic petition running alongside it garners over 300,000 signatures (Except in war time or emergency).

Give absolute executive power back to the monarchy.

>Things wouldn't be so bad if Hitler won the war.

>>33633999
I suppose I'd never really thought about it.
Gun laws are just more relaxed over there right?

> Every nation should conscript youths, both male and female, after they graduate from secondary school. These youths must choose to serve in an official capacity in the military, social services, or police for 24 months.

> Welfare recipients, unless truly incapable of employment, should be made to work as unskilled laborers for the money they receive from the government.

> Homosexual couples should not be recognized by the government. Homosexuals should be barred from adoption.

> Both male and female sexual predators should be neutered.

> Mandatory tests of fetuses in utero should be performed. If they are discovered to have a genetic disorder, they should be aborted.

> People should be allowed to segregate themselves from other population groups [men, women, Hispanics, etc.] , through the means of gated communities, if they so choose.

>>33633987
If its required to inform not to actually sign, you can not be the father and still sign it knowing you are not. A lot better than what we have now where a woman can claim you are and give a fake address for you and they send a letter for you to opt out by x date that you never get.

>>33633849

Yes, you are correct. However, I have no problem with tax payer dollars funding, healthy people when they get old that paid their dues over their life time.

Obese people that continue to eat at these places make a conscious decision to continue their bad habits. I've never heard of an old person choosing to become old and fragile.

>>33634043
>> Every nation should conscript youths, both male and female, after they graduate from secondary school. These youths must choose to serve in an official capacity in the military, social services, or police for 24 months.

Oh please anon, what kind of fucking benefit would that provide?
Is it your wish to make everyone busy little working bees? Granted, a lot of people need hardening the fuck up, but making them soldiers in an army they have no will to fight for isn't the answer. I'd recommend some sort of wilderness survival type deal in place of that shitbrained mess.

>>33634031
Not really. You can own certain weapons but there are still restrictions and you can only carry them about from your home to the range, and you have to go directly to the range and then home.

It's certainly not "open carry wherever whenever" like they tell you it is.

You do see pics of Swiss people carrying their guns around. If they are not going to or coming from the range *directly*, they are breaking the law.

As far as controversial views go

>prostitution should be legal and regulated by the government
>military and outdoors training should be mandatory
>the traditional family unit should be economically encouraged by the gov
>anglosphere citizens should get an easier immigration process amongst other anglosphere countries than non-Anglos
>public transport should be paid and regulated by the gov
>all affirmative action programs or similar should be illegal

>>33634115
>Obese people that continue to eat at these places make a conscious decision to continue their bad habits. I've never heard of an old person choosing to become old and fragile.
How does that matter? They still cost less. On what logic do you tax them more, other than a sin tax.

Not that I object to sin taxes, but call them what they are.

>>33634011
>No single party may run in an election for 2 >subsequent terms after winning a term.

>Parties may not affiliate with each other.

I think it would be more beneficial to just abolish parties and ban them from becoming a democratic factor
Parties are the cancer of democracy.

>>33634043
>> Every nation should conscript youths, both male and female, after they graduate from secondary school. These youths must choose to serve in an official capacity in the military, social services, or police for 24 months.

NOT POLICE. Eighteen to twenty-five year old's definitely shouldn't be cops. Maybe SWAT.

>>33634145
Oh wow, that's a lot different to what I'd been told. Thanks for the info.
I still stand by my point, humans are just stupid animals and the bulk of us probably shouldn't own any sort of lethal firearm.

>>33634145

Then it depends how it is policed.

Will a cop just take your word if you say you're heading to the range? Or do cops treat everyone like a criminal in Switzerland?

>>33634136

If they don't want to join the army, they can join the air force, navy, police, or any manner of social service divisions.

It grants youths skills, training, experience in the workplace, and boosts the state's capability of defending itself against other states, by calling upon former conscripts, if need be.

>>33634196

The majority of police constables in my country are under the age of 21. It's the perfect career for youths, as it forces them to operate under strict guidelines and policy, whilst making them responsible for their actions. Also, if you're worried about rambunctious youths making trouble, just partner them up with older officers when they're on 'the beat'.

>>33634216
Yeah I like that idea a lot better, it's even something I can get behind.
Make the incentive a payout at the end of the 24 months and you could be killing two birds with the same stone... Assuming that they'd be living on base/equivalent.

>>33634199
Yeah, it is. I used to be heavily pro-gun, but then I realised a lot of the arguments are just plain bullshit and most of the statistics don't really say anything one way or the other. I'm still pro-gun and pro-concealed carry, but I don't advocate for unrestricted ownership and no licensing or background checks or any of that stupid stuff.

If you can prove you're sane and capable and can safely (i.e. in a safe) store the weapon, you should be allowed to own almost whatever firearm you want and carry it for defense. But that's as far as it goes with me.

>>33634215
I couldn't answer to that, but I imagine it would be like most countries where it depends on the officer. Obviously if they catch you in a supermarket you're not heading to or coming from the range.

By directly it means no stops on the way.

The Head of the State and the Head of the Government shouldn't be the same person in the US.

>>33634180

Pretty much the goal,

>>33634216
>>33634282
I'm in no hurry to be shot at by Akmed, but I could maaaaaaaaaaaaybe get behind doing minor police work. Be a rent-a-cop standing around, watching people do stuff. Ride around on a bike or segway with fat cop who used to be a real cop before he broke his knee and got fat[er].

Tell me stories about cool shit while we sit around waiting for the 1/week minor disaster that requires us to stand around somewhere else looking important.

>>33634282

They should, of course, be paid a living wage whilst serving their term. The wage should be less than those who aren't working in the organizations as a conscript, but enough to pay rent, bills, and cover basic provisions, such as food and clothes.

>>33634270

It doesn't make them more responsible, but less. They have more authority, they would have more responsibility as well if they were held to account for their errors in exercising that authority.

I just don't buy that any 21 year old with a gun should be policing everyone, and certainly not if it's just for the good of that 21 year old. A 35 year old with a taser who used to do something else for a living before and will return to doing something else for a living later should be policing.

>>33634333

Just because you're working in the police, doesn't mean you'd have to work as a patrol officer. You could always work in data entry, or as a secretary.

>>33633430
I feel like there must be some sort of argument from contract that can justify the notion you're objecting to. I'm not sure if I can articulate it, but I can definitely see it.

Like the right to life, in your instance. By the action of killing another person, he has violated that person's right to life (under whatever conception you select, human rights or otherwise), which would suggest that it is that person's belief that people can forfeit their right to life under certain circumstances.

Yeah, I can't do it. It's too much of a leap to say that that person's belief in forfeiture of certain human rights accords with their own personal forfeiture of the right whose obligation they don't respect - i.e., X removing Y's right to A doesn't seem to be a sufficient condition to remove the right to A from X. That's not in line with my intuitions at all, but I'll concede the point anon.

>>33634176
Well choice does matter. People don't choose to become old. People choose to eat unhealthy.

Secondly if they are dying earlier that means they are not contributing to society through work or taxes as long as their healthy counterparts.

So while fat person has racked up the bills for the tax payer and then died. Healthy person continues to work not just for himself in old age but for the fat fucker that died as well.

As for a sin tax, sure. I call it a fat tax.

>>33634395
Aaaah. But the idea of being a rent a cop amuses me. We could ride around a mall pretending we were real cops, while getting into harmless shenanigans.

>>33634362

They WOULD be held responsible, just like every other police officer, soldier, or social service worker.

If you don't want 21 year olds in the police, then you're up shit creek, because every country employs 18 year olds to work in the police.

>>33634333
I was thinking that it wouldn't have to be any sort of enforcement at all, just a role where they'd have to take responsibility for their actions and will be punished otherwise.
I.e. medical/education assistant.
I think this idea is fucking mint to be honest.
It would have to all be government sector stuff, otherwise you'd run the risk of private companies capitalizing on the cheap labor.

I want to put an 0.5% tax on speculative actions i.e stock trading.

>>33634397
>I'm not sure if I can articulate it, but I can definitely see it.
Social contract, Jean Jacque (SP) Rousseau.

By joining/being part of society you implicitly agree to 'obey' its rules.

> every man should be given a lifelike robotic housewife with a functioning artificial womb
> all women should be placed in commission housing and tended to by robot servants for the duration of their life
> female fetuses should be aborted

Utopia, ho!

>>33634401
>Well choice does matter. People don't choose to become old. People choose to eat unhealthy.
Yes, people choose to kill themselves early and save the government money.

If anything, it makes them more deserving of a tax break.

We're not talking about punishing the elderly, we're talking about 'why shouldn't we reward the fat'?

>Secondly if they are dying earlier that means they are not contributing to society through work or taxes as long as their healthy counterparts.
We're talking about dying at 65 instead of 85, not dying at 35 instead of 85. Fat people live out pretty much their entire productive life. They just skip the retirement.

>As for a sin tax, sure. I call it a fat tax.
Exactly. It's fine to want a sin tax, but just call it that. Don't bother trying to justify it outside of "i don't like fatties". That's what I do. There is no reason to tax fat people other than I don't want them around, and that's good enough for me.

>>33634483
No, yeah, obviously. I'm saying that if a person violates a law of that society, they simultaneously forfeit all the protections that that same law provides.
Like if a person rapes another person, then it should be legal to rape that person. Or as it's used in this instance, killing a person should make it legal to kill that person back. I think I'm the only person who thinks this intuitively sounds right, but I can see how a lot of people might object to it.
Also social contract theory has a lot of flaws m80

>>33634495
You're basically the polar opposite of a feminist, dude... Which isn't a good thing. (That's if you're being serious)
There's plenty of females out there that aren't completely insane. My mother for one, my girlfriend another.
Or if this is 100% joke, 4/10.

>>33633341
This Guy has a head on his shoulders.

>>33634535
>Like if a person rapes another person, then it should be legal to rape that person. Or as it's used in this instance, killing a person should make it legal to kill that person back. I think I'm the only person who thinks this intuitively sounds right, but I can see how a lot of people might object to it.
You could argue that by aggressing against society they have made themselves an enemy of society and therefore aren't entitled to its protections. But even so, we have laws of war that we more-or-less follow, so that's not flawless.

>social contract theory is flawed
It is, but it's also the theory you'd be using to support your ideas. That people are engaged in a contract with society that affords them certain benefits and by breaking the contract they lose the benefits.

>>33631650

>I play around with the idea of outlawing divorce, you get married once you're stuck in it unless one partner dies.
>Basically genetic testing every person and finding the parents of kids and making those two people solely responsible for them.

It sounds like you are trying to make things permanent and nothing can ever be that. If you strive for permanence you will only suffer more, and on top of that you are also making points that go against our own nature. It's thoughs like these that give birth to extreme control societies.

>War is good for the mankind
We need big war in the Europe and Murrica.

>>33634426

Then this is another change you are proposing, that police would be held to the same or higher standards of behaviour than everyone else?

>If you don't want 21 year olds in the police, then you're up shit creek, because every country employs 18 year olds to work in the police.

We are up shit creek for that exact reason, young adults don't have the sense to be cops. I honestly don't see how you could accumulate that kind of sense by being in that situation, only that having that kind of sense to begin with, the kind you gain from being a functional member of society for a decade or so, is useful for a cop.

I even sort of support the conscription part. Just roll it back to 24 months between the ages of 30 and 35, when they have a kid or two at home, when they have a career to get back to, rather than sending teenagers to do it half as well.

>>33634495

>doesn't know how to program a human wife

lek

>>33633611

Millennial detected.

>>33631650
what comics is that?

>>33633977
Sodomy dude?

you don't like Head?

>>33632380

>I think that states which take more in federal taxes than they give for multiple years should be sanctioned.

So in other words, you think states should be punished for having liberal agendas forced upon them.

Most of the imbalance to which you refer is a product of left-wing policies pushed on right-wing states. Progressive taxation affects high-income states more than low-income; and welfare policies distribute more to the latter and less to the former. Programs designed to help minorities end up in areas like the Deep South. And overreaching regulatory agencies with missions not tied to population spend more per citizen in rural states.

The irony is that all of these are generally a product of the ideology of the people in states paying the most in taxes, while those in states taking the most generally oppose it. But naturally, that doesn't stop the former from using it as a blunt instrument against the "hypocrisy" of the latter.

>>33631650
It is kinda extreme but I am anti-abortion because I think women should take some responsibility for their cunts.

We should go back to a city-state like government. Then we could make a federation world-wide just to make a pax aeterna and being able to get into a new era (let's explore some space and shit).
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Ironic punishment should be a thing (rapists getting raped, druggaddicts getting lots of shit-quality drugs so they end up dead...). All of these done in an almost-hermetical prison in some isolated island.

>>33633541

>Heres my issue, smokes are taxed, alcohol is taxed, so if somebody wants to smoke or drink, problem.

>Fast food is the leading cause of obesity. What pisses me off is when obese people continue to eat at these places. They are nothing but a future burden to the tax payer. We all have to pay for their future hospital trips because of their choices.

Fuck off, statist. The government has no standing to dictate an individual's personal choices that affect only that individual.

If you're objecting right now that you have to "pay" for other people's health care, maybe you should have thought about that while you were giving the state the power to regulate and nationalize health care under the guise of "providing" that "basic human right" for "free".

>>33634955
>The government has no standing to dictate an individual's personal choices that affect only that individual.
But they have to pay for the costs associated with healthcare.

>well t-there should b-be healthcare
Well there is. And therefore the government DOES have the right.

>>33634921
>(rapists getting raped, druggaddicts getting lots of shit-quality drugs so they end up dead...)

I encourage you to research into what it's like in prison right now.

Plus, why are you arresting ADDICTS?

I think the state spends more money trying to solve problems that it causes simply by existing.

>>33634996
Yeah, these things are already done by the prisoners, just making it officially.
Why arresting addicts? If they commit a crime (let's say an homicide) and they are addicted to something, instead of killing him, just give him what he's addicted to.
These punishments would be like "the last" one. Just if you are reincident or is a really important crime. it's just a slower forced-suicide.

There should be a maximum wage

No more traffic laws at all

>>33635115
>Yeah, these things are already done by the prisoners, just making it officially.

Officially isn't how anglo's do things, anon. You just set up the prison so this stuff will happen, and then do nothing about it. That way you can't be blamed, people will actually blame the ones you have forced into this behaviour. Like you are doing now.

At least you're proposing to be honest about it...

>>33635116
cunt

>>33631650
Abolish inheritance.
This is a holdover from feudal days, when the king would hold onto power till his last dying gasp, and it was felt that, as continuity of govt was an important principle, an allowance should be made for the dead persons 'last wish' to be carried out. It breeds nepotism, rather than meritorious leadership. The principle was gradually applied to the rest of the community from the top down.
Under my system, it would be reasonably recognised that, as corpses are not responsible, they cannot hold any property, or pass it on to their offspring. Any wealth still retained by the deceased would automatically revert to the state which nurtured them, and be used in lieu of taxation.
You want to leave something for your children? Fine. Give it to them before you die. You can even wait until you are on your deathbed, if you wish (but watch out for that No47 bus in the meantime...What bus?..SPLATT!...THAT bus.)
This has several advantages over the current system.
1. It encourages the dissipation of advantageous wealth through accidental death, and the stupidity of youth.
2. It encourages the moral behaviour of the rich and their offspring (murder of the wealthy as a form of political tax evasion/revenge on richkid assholes would be more tempting than today)
3. It would stimulate the economy, through adventurous investments (too many people come into their wealth too late in life to be anything other than safety-leeches).
4. It would instantly negate the need for an entire swathe of borderline criminality in the legal profession over claims.
5. It would make Patricide a negative action rather than a positive one, and thus remove a burden from the police force.
and probably many others that I can't think of at the present.

What does /pol/ think?

>>33631650
>no one under 16 on muh internets
And how old were you when you started anon? The first time I ever used a computer I was probably 7 or 8, and the first time I was OK the internet was by 9 or 10. I'm 27 now

>>33635168
That's actually a really good point. But I would just give them the tools and don't look at them. By officially I meant just actually giving them the tools (which already happens in a lot of prisons) so they can do those things.

>>33635217
The state shouldn't tell people what to do with their money.

>>33635280
It's not. Corpses aren't people.
Respecting the last wishes of the deceased is a tradition. Nothing more. It has no basis in reason.
Codifying such a practice is just plain stupid.

>>33635217

Well, you've actually made a decent case.

Especially when you consider;

>Fine. Give it to them before you die.

The problem is, it's a lot easier for a rich person to avoid this tax. As a hypothetical pauper, I have at most a house and a car and some appliances, and my children rent somewhere while they get themselves sorted out. When I die, they lose everything. As a hypothetical magnate, I have plenty of houses and cars and appliances, and all my kids have at least one house and at least one car and as many appliances as they want. If I kick the bucket, only the wealth that I have decided to keep in my own name is lost, the family fortune is preserved.

How does anyone accumulate a family fortune?

Better to just charge them a few percent of the value of their property every year, and hand out single-use exemptions to everyone to give them one and only one family home or business completely tax free.

>>33634995

>But they have to pay for the costs associated with healthcare.

They wouldn't, if you hadn't granted them that authority because you wanted free shit.

>Well there is. And therefore the government DOES have the right.

Great job with the reading comprehension, by the way.

>>33635217

>Abolish inheritance
>Well, the guy's dead! What right does he have to his property, anyway?
>Give it to the state, since they clearly have a right to the property that the person who legally acquired it over his lifetime doesn't

Is today Statist Douchebag Day on /pol/? I didn't get the memo on that one.

>>33634305

Okay I'm curious, how would that even work? What do you mean by Head of State and Head of Government (yes I can infer but I'd like your own definition). That's another idea I play around with.

>Separating the Executive branch into three people so it to has it's own checks and balances.

>>33635362
>The problem is, it's a lot easier for a rich person to avoid this tax
I think you misunderstand the purpose of this.
It's not a tax. It's a way of negating the socially corrosive effect of excessive disparity in wealth.
It doesn't matter if the rich guy gives a house to each of his kids. There will always be people with more wealth than others. It is extreme difference which is the problem, as such amounts of wealth can be used as leverage to the disadvantage of society as a whole.
Nor does it matter so much if poor people lose their houses and possesions. There are a great many more poor people than rich, and the sheer amount of income generated by this loss would probably reduce taxation (the tax relief would be staggered to favour those at the bottom, btw) to the extent that there would be no 'crushing' poverty at all.
It would also increase the social cohesion of the family. Maybe even to the extent of pre-war days. Imagine, if you will, having reached retirement age, and your kids are grown up. Why not give them the house now, and move in with them (like your great-grandparents used to do)?

>>33633574

You should watch the documentary Divoce Corp. Someone recommended it here on /pol/ the other day and damn is it a red pill on divorce in this country (US). Hell, it's less of a pill more of chopping the red pill up and snorting it.

>>33635504
>What right does he have to his property, anyway?
None. Inanimate objects have no 'rights'. This is an established principle of law.
How old are you? If you disagree with my proposition, why can't you just say so? (preferably with coherent arguments as to why not)
Your post sounds like a "muh money feels" argument to me.

>>33634747

Not for sure the exact issue but from Marvel's Civil War stuff a few years ago.

>>33635706

>How old are you? If you disagree with my proposition, why can't you just say so? (preferably with coherent arguments as to why not)

I would have thought a proposition so patently ridiculous would not need a "coherent argument" to be stated against it, but since you're going to stick with it I suppose you need someone to spell out for you precisely why you're a blithering idiot.

>This is a holdover from feudal days, when the king would hold onto power till his last dying gasp, and it was felt that, as continuity of govt was an important principle, an allowance should be made for the dead persons 'last wish' to be carried out.

No, it's not. It's a holdover from the basic tenet of the family, the building block of society, that when a member of the family dies, particularly the head, that any possessions of his might be passed on to his family and progeny, so that they can, you know, not die with him. I'm sure this sounds just unfathomable to someone who believes the state is the only institution that matters, but the government is not the beginning and end of civilization.

>It breeds nepotism, rather than meritorious leadership.

In what way does my family receiving the things I own upon my death "breed nepotism" and hamper "meritorious leadership"?

>Any wealth still retained by the deceased would automatically revert to the state which nurtured them, and be used in lieu of taxation.

Outstanding. That way, when I have a stroke in five minutes from dealing with your stupidity, the state can kick my wife and children out of my house, and take anything that doesn't have their name written on it. That way, instead of just grief-stricken, they can be grief-stricken and homeless! Wow, what an idea! I'm glad we implemented this system so we could stick it to Paris Hilton!

I'm about to hit the character limit, but hang on, I'm not done berating you yet.

I think abortion is murder but nobody else in Australia thinks so

>>33635706
>>33636205

>This has several advantages over the current system.

>1. It encourages the dissipation of advantageous wealth through accidental death, and the stupidity of youth.

I have yet to hear any logical reason from anyone why the state has a duty to dissipate "advantageous wealth". You're complaining about "muh money feels" but all you're giving in return is "muh other people's money feels".

>2. It encourages the moral behaviour of the rich and their offspring (murder of the wealthy as a form of political tax evasion/revenge on richkid assholes would be more tempting than today)

I like how you spew out facetious BS like this but expect rational arguments against it. Sure, let's encourage murder as an incentive to moral behavior, NBD dude.

>3. It would stimulate the economy, through adventurous investments (too many people come into their wealth too late in life to be anything other than safety-leeches).

This doesn't follow. Assuming your "system" even allows them to gain this wealth in the first place, rational actors would deed it to the youngest people to minimize the chances of accidental death. In any case, "invest or I'll confiscate your money" is not a policy that belongs in a free society (assuming you want one, which is looking unlikely).

>4. It would instantly negate the need for an entire swathe of borderline criminality in the legal profession over claims.

In what way is will execution "borderline criminality"? The only people who bring about these claims are those with no or poor EOL documentation. If you're concerned about this, why are you punishing those with good documentation?

>5. It would make Patricide a negative action rather than a positive one, and thus remove a burden from the police force.

This pairs nicely with #2 above. And I don't think too many people consider patricide to be a "positive action".

>>33636205
Wow! Looks like I've flustered someone's silky jimmies! Let's take this a step at a time, shall we?
>I would have thought a proposition so patently ridiculous would not need a "coherent argument" to be stated against it
muh "I'm smarter than you, so shut up" argument.
Dismissed.
>I suppose you need someone to spell out for you precisely why you're a blithering idiot.
Beginning a refutation with an insult (this oughta be good).
>It's a holdover from the basic tenet of the family.
False correlation. Many primitive tribes have a ceremony where the deceased possessions are shared out among the tribe. This is usually done by the elder(s).
>government is not the beginning and end of civilization.
Yes. It is.
>In what way does my family receiving the things I own upon my death "breed nepotism"
Do you need a dictionary definition of nepotism? Or are you claiming that money=/=power?
>and hamper "meritorious leadership"?
Privilege and merit are polar opposites.
>when I have a stroke in five minutes...
Give the house to your wife now, then.
>instead of just grief-stricken, they can be grief-stricken and homeless!
They would be as much beneficiaries as anyone else. They would not be poverty-stricken, because the money levied from this would go principaly towards the poorest.

part 2 to follow

>>33633798
it will lead to killing the rape victim so they can't be identified (they fear they will have that problem in India now that there is a new law )

>>33635577

I'm not entirely sure, but European countries operate in such a way.
The Head of the State is either a monarch, or elected official. They represent the unity of the nation. Their role is sometimes ceremonial, sometimes not (pardoning, supreme command of the army, ratification of laws), but either way, they are supposed to represent a balancing force against the government.

In my opinion, the separation of State and Government should be just as important as the separation of the three branches.
As we've seen in America, the existence of the Constitution in itself means jack shit against the Government.
But, if you place an actual man behind it...

>>33636656
>I have yet to hear any logical reason from anyone why the state has a duty to dissipate "advantageous wealth"
How about...preventing monied interests from 'bouncing' the economy up and down, and other nefarious activities like offshore investing, and back-pocket lobbying?
>I like how you spew out facetious BS like this but expect rational arguments against it.
The rich have a moral obligation towards the community which fostered them, and gave them the opportunity to accumulate such wealth in the first place. It is the wealthiest among us ignoring this debt which has lead to the degradation of modern society, and their stranglehold on the political class. If patricians showed a concern for their community (showed, not expressed) MAYBE the populace would think them worth having around, on the principle of 'the devil you know'. I an not implying all rich people are devils, before you start. It's an analogy.
>rational actors would deed it to the youngest people to minimize the chances of accidental death
Young people are more likely to spend, Spread the wealth, and the economy picks up. Hoard the wealth, and the economy slumps. Or haven't you been paying attention these last few decades?
"invest or I'll confiscate your money" is not a policy that belongs in a free society
You're one of those "no roads" people, aren't you?
Why didn't you just say "I'm a libertarian". You could have saved all those blisters on your typing pinky assuming that you're an economic genius, and everyone else in the world's an idiot.
>The only people who bring about these claims are those with no or poor EOL documentation.
Is against the state interfering with his wealth
expects to rely on the states rules to uphold his claim
And I don't think too many people consider patricide to be a "positive action".
The person who gets the money might.

You're not very good at this, are you?

>>33636746

>Wow! Looks like I've flustered someone's silky jimmies!

I don't have much patience for people who advocate for silly and overbearing laws that grant blanket powers to the state just to they can fulfill their juvenile revenge fantasies against their perceived aggressors. I won't apologize for that.

>False correlation. Many primitive tribes have a ceremony where the deceased possessions are shared out among the tribe. This is usually done by the elder(s).

Because a tribe doesn't consist of extended family, right? A tribe is definitely the same as 300 million people from all kinds of backgrounds living on half a continent.

>Yes. It is.

No, it's not, though this speaks volumes as to why you think this abomination is a good idea.

>Do you need a dictionary definition of nepotism? Or are you claiming that money=/=power?

Do you? "Favoritism granted in business or politics to relatives". Money is not power and is not this. My family inheriting my money, small sum that it is, does not constitute nepotism.

>Give the house to your wife now, then.

Great. So we can just flip a coin as to which one of us might die unexpectedly. Congratulations, you've turned every accidental death into a divorce proceeding.

>They would be as much beneficiaries as anyone else. They would not be poverty-stricken, because the money levied from this would go principaly towards the poorest.

It takes a world-class mental gymnast to argue that my wife and children would benefit as much from KEEPING THEIR HOUSE AND PROPERTY as they would from having it confiscated by the government and redistributed according to the latter's whims.

I'm sure glad they're "as much beneficiaries as anyone else". I remember when I was signing the contract for my house, I thought to myself, I sure am glad I'm able to put a roof over the head of EVERYONE IN AMERICA.

>>33635706
The issue I have isn't the removal of inhereitance in general, because you made a good case. The issue I have is that it goes to the state. All you're doing is changing the law to "The state inherits everything"

>>33631650
>Basically genetic testing every person
no

>>33637505
I have tried patiently to discuss this with you,and have been rewarded with personal ad hominem attacks , strawman, special pleading, false division arguments, appeals to emotion, cherry picking and personal incredulity.
Congrats! You win the "I (almost) quoted the entire sticky" award.
If you'd have argued this properly, I would have stuck around all day. But seeing as you are obviously an angry, selfish person, who's only view of society is "what can it do for me and mine?" I have no intention of wasting any more of my time with you.
Good day.

>>33637505
>Because a tribe doesn't consist of extended family, right? A tribe is definitely the same as 300 million people from all kinds of backgrounds living on half a continent.

Socialism is the response to urban living, the replacement of your tribe with abstract members of a national or ethnic or religious community. You are still asked to give to that group, in increasingly formal and bureaucratic ways, and so people demand similar support from the group, in increasingly formal and bureaucratic ways.

>>33637544
I'm not trying to oppress people here. The purpose of govt is to encourage people to behave in a way that is advantagious to society as a whole (people will act to their own advantage without encouragement).
It is my view that an excessive disparity in wealth is a bad thing. If you disagree with that, fine.
If you don't like this law (assuming it will ever be implimented), then adjust your behaviour to minimalize it's effect upon you. Give your kids some of your wealth now, so they can 'get ahead'. Maybe, when you accidentaly die, they will have a stable base to work from because of it. If they are smart and work hard.
No law is absolutely fair. But giving a squillion dollars to one guy just because he was born to the right family, whilst others are in such poverty that they are a drain on society, isn't just unfair, it's dangerously stupid.
My proposition is just the "give a man a fish" argument writ large.
But of course, I fully expect those with a vested interest in keeping the status quo to rage like crazy about it.

>>33631650
Palestine should vote in a referendum to re-join the British commonwealth. Palestinian territory comes back under brit rule like it was pre WW2.

Kick out HAMAS and stop all rocket shit. Brit army moves in and any colinisation/action against palistinian terratory (1967 borders) is an attack on the Brits.

The brits in return get all the offshore oil from gaza in the Mediterranean and the opportunity to build massive trade ports right next to the suez.

Israel/Palastinian conflict over.

>>33637544

This is why a basic income system is important.

When the revenue of the state is considered to be the rightful compensation of the citizen (who, after all, subjects themselves to state power), it would be difficult to take it from people. And when every government expenditure or inefficiency can be described in terms of how much of your basic income it is draining away, people can make economically sound voting decisions.

An industry run by solely women would be destroyed in a matter of months.

>>33633977
>>If you falsely accuse someone of a crime, intentionally, you receive whatever punishment the criminal would have received.
Agree
>>More crimes should go back to a default death penalty, like murder, rape, etc. Keep them in jail for 5 or 10 years, and if they're not cleared by then, they probably did it. Kill em.
I kinda agree with this
>>Theft over a certain amount should also default to death. Its getting ridiculous that people can get away with fraud on the scale that they do.
Agree, and while at it lets do the same with corruption of police officers and figures in office (mayors, senators, etc.). What they are doing is treason and should be treated as such.
>>Logic should be introduced as a core class in elementary school. I had literally three days of teaching on logic in school. It was in like my junior year. And they wonder why I sucked at algebra. Literally spent years failing math, learned just a little logic, and everything started clicking, everything, all at once.
Maybe
>>I think things like rape, adultery, and sodomy should carry the death penalty. No I'm not a Christian.
Eh... maybe
Overall 8/10, would be friends with

>>33633977
>Logic should be introduced as a core class in elementary school. I had literally three days of teaching on logic in school. It was in like my junior year. And they wonder why I sucked at algebra. Literally spent years failing math, learned just a little logic, and everything started clicking, everything, all at once.
Not just Logic, but the whole Trivium is sadly neglected these days.
Modern schooling thinks that this basic learning tool is so open to interpretation that "bad poetry day" qualifies as grammar, "He said/she said" covers logic, and "I didn't do it...I wasn't even there, you can ask Jim" is the basis for Rhetoric.
Bring back the old days.

>>33634161
>the traditional family unit should be economically encouraged by the gov
>implying

>>33631650
>I think kids under the age of 16 shouldn't be legally allowed on the Internet.

What are you doing here then young lad?

>>33637937

Apology accepted.

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>>33639321
Incentives for family building by the church and state is one of the horrors that has created places like Indonesia, severely overpopulated as the British Empire attempted to subsidize manufacturing new plantation workers but when they pulled out that ball was already rolling.

Fact is, many people do not inherently want a family to raise and are ill prepared to do so.

>Obama is the best president in U.S. History
>Democratic Party majorities in house and senate
>all progressive activist judges on supreme court
>immediately cease all funding for investigations into scandals
>continue to use IRS to target conservatives
>state run media with all conservative outlets banned
>Obamacare is great. Single payer would be better.
>increase welfare state
>open borders and new North American union
>raise taxes on the 1%
>increase minimum wage
>increase federal reserve spending
>drastically cut defense budget
>abortion should be legal, safe, and taxpayer funded including overseas
>lgbt must have equal rights including marriage
>ban all firearms
>more UN control over US sovereignty
>centralize education by following international standards, universal pre-K, and no college tuition.
>legalize all drugs and loosen restrictions on pharmas
>isolate Russia with sanctions and ratchet up international pressure against Putin
>support Ukrainian government
>condemn Hamas and criticize Israel
>Let ISIS remove Assad. Take out ISIS with drones.

>>33631650

You've said nothing wrong.

>>33638174

The evolution of the tribe to urban living is the co-op, not the government, the difference being that the primary characteristic of one is voluntary participation, while the other specifically relies on coercion. If you think that, using this case as an example, state officials who have no incentive to look after your interests confiscating your wealth and (after taking a cut of it, of course) distributing it according to their desires to other people who have no incentive to share your interests is anything like members of a familial tribe using a deceased member's possessions for the benefit of the tribe, then you have a much more optimistic view of the state than I.

>>33639964

If the government hadn't specifically prevented the formation of these co-ops, and if they hadn't gone out of their way to stymie them at every turn, things would be fine.

You are asked to invest yourself in a larger identity, to 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'. When it's blood, the guy you're asked to help is also obligated to help you, by their biological nature, when it's a group of strangers who invented a nation that you are now part of, they guy you're asked to help will only feel obligated to help back if the organisers command them to. When the organisers aren't interested in simply serving the community, they ask people to give more than they get back, and they pocket the rest. This is true if they are government officials or private investors, it makes no difference.

>>33640396
>when it's a group of strangers who invented a nation that you are now part of, they guy you're asked to help will only feel obligated to help back if the organisers command them to. When the organisers aren't interested in simply serving the community, they ask people to give more than they get back, and they pocket the rest. This is true if they are government officials or private investors, it makes no difference.
You seem to have a very dim view of the rest of humanity. And are expecting us to agree with you for no better reason that to support your own selfish interests.
You get a lot out of society. Not least the security you needed to accumulate that wealth in the first place.
It is possible to construct a model where this guys idea would work. It just needs a little revision, is all. Corruption is still a problem, of course. But then corruption is a problem no matter how you organize your society. Your entire argument seems to be based on your opinion of governmental structures, not facts.
Perhaps you should not expect everyon else to conform to your low standards?
I know plenty of people who put in lots of work for the betterment of their communities, with very little back. Often nothing other than a good feeling.
Anyway, this thread is about weird political views. What were you expecting when you came here? Everyone to conform to your own blinkered view of the world.
The world as it stands is a shithole for the vast majority of it's inhabitants. And it will continue to be that way so long as we let the opinions of the nay sayers hold sway.
I think we need bold thinkers who are prepared to break out of the cultural conditioning which has most of us held in a mental vice.

I think sometimes that cheating should be a punishable offense by death or imprisonment, depending on the gravitas of the offense. I think it might overall help the people stay together and really consider their love for each other. If a reasonable amount of evidence is collected on that person then punishment could be issued. love crimes if you will

Also no more for profit prisons. or reform most prisons to be rehabilitative instead of punitave.

allow states to vote to be socialist communist capitalist etc. that way everyone can try different systems. As long as no one is forced to stay within those systems.

I am iffy on this but issue a credit for travel and moving expenses to live in a different state. that way if at any time you need to move because you don't like the system or need a change of scenery you can do so without worry. The only thing for the individual to do would be to find housing.

Also outlaw banks completely. people shouldn't concentrate their money (aka power) all in one place. same for fed reserve any other reserve bank.

captcha whork comrades

Tony was right.

>>33633189
>>introduce a fat tax on "fast food" restaurants
Shouldn't the food that is being served be taxed, not just the type and class of restaurant that serves the food?

Is it any better for a high end place to serve up an unhealthy meal?

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>>33632951
To add to this..

I think these men and women, unless currently with family or some other extenuating circumstance, should remain on duty even when off the clock. They would only have to act when a crime is witnessed, not go patrolling for it. They would then clock in to deal with it and clock out after its taken care of.

Kinda like a good samaritan with a little more say.

I feel like I'm rambling, hope you get what I mean.

I think the electoral college should be disbanded. One person, one vote. Fuck streamlining politics.

I also feel that before the president is inaugurated he/she must recite the entire Declaration of Independence and standard Bill of Rights verbatim from memory alone (no ear buds, no teleprompter, no crib notes, all memory). If the president to be can't do it within a 10% error rate, we go back to the polls.

>>33642090

It stands to reason that if corruption is unavoidable then we would be best served minimizing the power wielded by the corruptible, not advocating for broad mandates that provide ample opportunities for abuse.

Centralized government has acted in the name of the public good for thousands of years. The vast majority of actions undertaken by it in its various forms have not served to further this good but to benefit those in power. It's shocking that in spite of this preponderance of evidence there are still people such as yourself who are willing to turn over yet more power to it in pursuit of this tired mantra.

If anything, we are conditioned to believe that someone else, usually in a position of authority over us, can solve all our problems. I think it's time we set aside the platitudes about "society" and stop signing away ever more of our freedom to statists based on delusional optimism.

>>33631650
>significantly reduce welfare
>those on welfare loose the right to vote
>10% flat tax on all americans
>government cannot force families to send their kids to highschool

I support corporal punishment, and I consider my reasoning to be bleeding-heart. Basically, I suspect you could get a greater deterring effect while actually hurting the criminal less than, say, sending them to prison.

Of course, it would be strictly handled so you don't have someone go utterly psycho with the whip.

>>33631650
Most are good, except segregating the workplace and no religion/internet. Women cannot function without men, and a woman-only workplace would completely fail, and has before. Ideally, women should not work.

Then, society needs religion to keep it bounded morally, and kids need internet to learn how to think for themselves

>>33632951
I am ok with this

>>33632798
This, or 32 hour work weeks or limit of 4 days work/week. It's well documented that worker productivity falls significantly approaching and beyond 40 hours of work/week anyway.

When committing certain types of crimes... mainly theft/assault/rape/attempted murder type crimes a person should loose all expectations of safety during the act.

In other words, I catch you robbing my house then I can shoot you without going to jail. I see you attack someone on the street, I shoot you and go free.

The purpose is not that anyone deserves to be killed for shoplifting, rather that the store owner's right to protect their stuff trumps the rights of a criminal to safety.

I think everything should be controlled by a giant supercomputer

I firmly believe that we'd see great success under computer dictatorship

Certain suburbs have problems with deer populations. They have hungry poor and homeless people as well.

Preventing the obvious solution to these two problems from being carried out ought to be criminal.

>Military should be downsized to an adequate force to protect the US mainland.

>A fund should be created for foreign wars. Money going into this fund can only come from citizens voluntarily. Kind of like how you can opt to contribute to the president's re-election fund on your tax return.

>If American citizens care enough to fight these wars they will pony up the cash. If not then we shouldn't go.

>>33631650
>weird political views

I wish I lived in a world where it was illegal to live past the age of 50
Anyone passing 50 years is exiled from the community

To help with overpopulation and having shit tier leaders

Once the leader is 50 he must appoint a younger
Leader

To run for office as a Senator or President, one must official remove themselves from any political party and can take a maximum of $50,000 from any political group for their campaign.

OR

Keep the current system and tax all campaign contributions in excess of $1,000 at a rate of 50%

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>>33631650
>I'm fine with joining the rest of the first world with healthcare and education programs. Even socialized it'd be better than the clusterfuck we have now.

>using the profits of nationalized industries and resources like oil is a great way to fund things without raising taxes.

>at the same time, fuck any government steps on regulation private lives, whether it's on guns, drugs, abortions, free speech, or gay marriage.

>we should make more steps to integrate the Americas and Oceania together, offering statehood to more and more territories and building them up.

>more territory, people, and resources mean we don't rely on global trade as much and can cut ties with China and other nations.

Remove all affirmative action laws and eliminate protected classes

Relax gun control laws on private sales, expand reciprocity for concealed carry rights, allow import of foreign military-grade small arms

Common core revised by realists, not progressives

Increase govt spending on military r&d

Annex Mexico and establish rule of law, eliminate cartels, decriminalize drugs

Spread English to all corners of the globe

Revive imperialism in Africa to subvert Chinese aspirations

>>33634821
>conservative states not contributing as much as liberal states is the fault of liberals

Mental gymnastics are amazing.

>>33643269
Both of these are good ideas.

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>>33635504
>Statist as an insult

top kek

>>33647110

Better, half of all campaign donations should be diverted to a fund, and everyone who votes gets one share of it. If you don't vote, the remaining shares are first used to maintain the fund, and the rest is placed in the local treasury.

Now out of district campaigners are moving money into communities, instead of just convincing rubes to vote based on bullshit.

For reference, I'm American.

>gasoline should be taxed more
>luxuries should be taxed more
>soda and junkfood should be taxed more
>produce (NOT corn and grains and soybeans) should be subsidied
>vehicles like hummers should have MORE tax than there already is
>mandatory welfare, scholarship, and food stamp drug testing
>above should come with mandatory community service of 10 hr/week to continue receiving benefits
>people who raise chickens and grow edible gardens should be given a tax break
>HOAs should be illegal
>if you are receiving any sort of government benefit, you must NOT have cable TV, a vehicle worth more than 5000 usd, a smartphone other than for work purposes, any sort of luxury or valuable, etc
>paid sterilization (500 bux or thereabouts)
>birth control should be absolutely free
>the US should pull all foreign aid and all military other than absolute defense
>public school should have tuition (100 usd a semester or thereabout)
>anyone who is in good physical condition (IE maintains their health) should receive a tax break, and obese (not BMI) people should pay a tax for being a waste of resources
>people should NOT receive extra welfare benefits for having kids
>there should be a mandatory general qualification test for every individual every five years (not all at once) equivalent to high school graduation competence levels, so we have fewer imbeciles holding jobs while qualified people can't get in
>ALL illegal immigrants, even children, should be given six months to vacate the US or be shot on sight by any vigilante or PD
>we should let volunteers patrol the US Mexico border and shoot anyone crossing illegally
>congressional term limits (not unpopular but worth mentioning)
>the state should NOT give ANY benefits to parents of retards/deformed kids if the parents knew before birth (during abortion term) that the kid was fucked up, and any parent continuing with the birth knowing the kid is a tard should pay a 500 dollar fee.

I think the Union should be dissolved. Fuck the federal government.

>>33634043
> Every nation should conscript youths, both male and female, after they graduate from secondary school. These youths must choose to serve in an official capacity in the military, social services, or police for 24 months.
> Welfare recipients, unless truly incapable of employment, should be made to work as unskilled laborers for the money they receive from the government.
> Mandatory tests of fetuses in utero should be performed. If they are discovered to have a genetic disorder, they should be aborted.
> People should be allowed to segregate themselves from other population groups [men, women, Hispanics, etc.] , through the means of gated communities, if they so choose.

Agree with all of these.

I'm sick of welfare niggers living up the good life when they're able bodied. Put the niggers to work digging ditches or picking up trash.

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>>33647266

>>33634180
>I think it would be more beneficial to just abolish parties and ban them from becoming a democratic factor
>Parties are the cancer of democracy.

I very strongly agree with this. With parties, we get two shades of shit. Everyone just votes R or D like they always do. It should be on the merit of every man running, and for the love of god congressional term limits.

Lobbying in all forms should be ILLEGAL. Campaigns should be allowed a set amount of funding and no more, so it isn't just the richest asshole wins via advertising dollars.

>>33647480
>Revive imperialism in Africa to subvert Chinese aspirations

When one country has to pay another country tribute, I would consider that to be some form of colonialism. I understand that it's not easy to see, but the equivalent of CHINESE involvement in Africa is the West's involvement as a whole, through IMF, UN, WHO, and other groups, not the direct and open involvement of any particular nation-state.

>>33648374
Sounds like the Soviet Union, and we see how well that turned out.

We should institute massive tariffs on goods manufactured overseas. For some reason people think wanting to be manufacture our own goods is an insane idea.

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>>33648374
>>ALL illegal immigrants, even children, should be given six months to vacate the US or be shot on sight by any vigilante or PD
>>we should let volunteers patrol the US Mexico border and shoot anyone crossing illegally

That's the edgiest shit I've read all day

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>Abortion is allowed but if not for medical reasons you are sterilized afterwards.

>You are considered an adult as soon as you hit puberty and will be treated as such.

That's about it for things only I believe.

>>33633589
The problem with this is that most crazies aren't immediately crazy, so you'll end up training (what you think are) normal children who actually will turn out to be crazies.

>>33648654
>some 8 year old going through early puberty is a legal adult now

>>33643269
>I think the electoral college should be disbanded. One person, one vote. Fuck streamlining politics.

Yes. Electoral college is a mockery of democracy and a huge violation of rights.

>t recite the entire Declaration of Independence and standard Bill of Rights verbatim

Stupid. Just issue a general competency test for the president AND congress. Some of these retarded fucking niggers don't even know shit about shit. INCLUDE BASIC SCIENCE QUESTIONS. ALL ESSAY QUESTIONS graded by volunteer grad students, professors, and professionals.

I think CP should be legal.

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>>33648711
Sorry freak, dems da breaks.

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>>33648711
>8
>puberty

>>33648625

>libertarianism with health incentives is socialism

>>33648653

>preventing ILLEGAL immigrants from using our country as a doormat is edgy

>>33643269
>>33648717
You idiots don't realize why the electoral college was instituted in the first place, to keep smaller states from being marginalized by the large ones. Without it, Texas, California, New York, and maybe Illinois/Florida run the country while people in Alaska, Maine, or Rhode Island now have no real influence

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>>33633977
where/how did you learn this logic

>>33633107
>Heinlein


What book?

>>33648819
Just because something's illegal doesn't make it morally wrong.

Gunning down children for walking over an imaginary line in the desert isn't moral in any sense of the word.

We should strip the military budget and give most of it to NASA.

>>33648639

Absolutely agree with this. Tax the shit out of foreign made goods, especially Chinese made. We need industry in the US.

>>33648654
>considered an adult as soon as you hit puberty

You want twelve year olds to be considered adults? Go stick your cock in a blender, pedo.

>>33648772
>>33648779
Everyone's different, especially if they're overweight. I've seen people go through it as young as 8, as old as 16.

tl;dr: puberty = adulthood is retarded

>>33648929
>Tax the shit out of foreign made goods,
worked great for Argentina

>>33648932
Most laws we have now are retarded, main reason for it is so La'Shanda can't say "he was a good boi, he din du nuffin!" Make parent's take responsibility for their kids, and if they can't the state will.

>>33648886
Starship Troopers

Criminalize lending with interest.

>>33646894
Overpopulation is a myth. The most resource abundant continent on the Earth is still largely agriculturally undeveloped.

>>33631650
>ban religion until 16
Exactly what problem do you think this is solving?

>>33649017
>main reason for it is so La'Shanda can't say "he was a good boi, he din du nuffin!"
They'll still say that whether he's 8 or 28

All this accomplishes is letting pedos prey to their heart's delight, destroy child labor laws, and make kids get tried as adults for minor shit.

Nations cannot work at the population levels they exist at today without sacrificing the happiness of those within. The reason for this is that the laws of the state cannot possibly accommodate the wishes of millions of residents with different ideas of how the country should be run.

Look at America, for the simplest examples. Should gay marriage be legal? Yes or no, there is no other option. Instead of leaving and going to a place that has the laws and customs a person wants, the people instead try to change the laws to match their desires. But this can't work when people disagree on what kind of life they want to live in the same community.

The issue is that people are not willing to split off and either live separate from others, or form a community that caters to their lifestyle, and remove anyone who would be a threat to it. There is too much complacency and complaining instead of action being taken.

I fear that the only way to have communities that are self-sufficient and insular in their way of life is to kill the majority of the people on the planet and start over.

>>33648978
That's different, Argentina is a developing country.

>>33648839

Instead we have a bastardisation of "democracy" due to rounding, where a minority can win an election.

>>33648889

>is in favor of beaners abusing our borders to sap our welfare and turn the US into Mexico 2.0, complete with slums and spanish language dominance in some areas

How about you go fuck yourself. If they don't obey our laws, they don't deserve to live here and need to get the fuck out. We have fucking Mexican CRIMINALS coming here and comitting crimes. causing accidents, stealing, raping, and we can't do shit but deport them. Then guess what, they COME RIGHT BACK OVER THE BORDER AGAIN and commit more crimes. We need to shoot the dogs. A national border is not an imaginary line. It is the LAW and needs to be obeyed. You and your bleeding heart can fuck off to reddit you beaner cock sucking homosexual. We don't need mexico seeping their crime and poverty into our country and shitting the US up. Our borders are the goddamned BORDER. What is ours is not theirs.

>>33649091
There's some things that SHOULD be imposed over all communities and not left up to each one to decide. No, your local community doesn't have the right nor "freedom" to own slaves, even if most of them are in favor of it.

>>33649133
>If they don't obey our laws, they don't deserve to live here
Deport every criminal, then. Smoked a joint? Pirated some music? Jay walked? Out you go, exile.

You don't have to kill people to have secure borders, you sociopath.

>>33633849
>>33633541
encyclopedia.com/article-1G2-3232800013/economics-overweight-and-obesity.html
>$150 billion

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all religious people should be exiled to alaska with exceptions for non violent religions.

low incomers cannot recieve financial aid for spitting out 12 babies to recieve said aid.

pregnant teen mothers 17 and below will be executed.This will incentivize their parents to raise women and not whores.

rape = execution

Theres should be strict reproduction guidelines to mandate who can and cannot create offsping.Only those who fit the proper genetic,financial,ideological, criteria may.

if a child is born retarded it should be put down and their parents exiled to alaska.

No narcotics whatsoever.Perpetrators will be exiled to alaska.

transgender = exile to alaska

feminists = exile to alaska

No portrayals of sexualized images in the media.Punishment is exile to alaska.

sjw's will be exiled to an underground prison bunker in alaska.

America should pull out of the middle east and become isolationist.

all political parties should be nullified.

Abolish third party prison systems and make state prisons works/re-education camps

repeat offenders become state property and will be forced into indentured servitude

blacks within ghettos will be dispursed and the area renovated.No more than 20 individual blacks may live in the same neighborhood.

Rap should be considered a form of treason by the government and outlawed.Punishment for treason is exile to alaska.

obesity should be considered treasonous. Alaska.

>>33649169
I really don't think that's necessary. If another community wants slaves, that's their choice. If they come and try to enslave people in my community I would hope that we should be able to put them down. But if their community is successful while keeping slaves, I do not see the problem with allowing it as long as it doesn't hurt my own way of life.

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>>33649082
Never said it was perfect, just my odd political view, also if you throw in my other views of no federal taxes, eliminate SSI and leave social services to charities it works better because it makes people take responsibility for themselves, by eliminating the welfare state.

Neither one will happen, but its nice to dream.

O I also think psychology, and psychiatric meds should be treated as pseudo science and have no baring on laws, and prosecution of criminals. I know I'll get shit for this.

>>33635659
Can you link it?

>>33631650
Monarchy and clasical liberalism defeat democracy in everyway.

Most technological advancements are actually a rehash of what has already been done.

Ethical and political theory most be told at schools.

Morality should be imposed upon others, when such morality follows logic and reason.

Private institutions should manage social problems through subsidy.

A fewer number of strict laws is superior to excessive legislation.

>>33649228
I in fact would like everyone who has smoked a joint to be deported, including myself.

>>33649228
>You don't have to kill people to have secure borders

Obviously we do. It's illegal to hire them, but they still get jobs. It's illegal to house them, they still get housing. You have 20 beaners living in a one room apartment. They don't have drivers licenses and they still drive. Deporting them doesn't work, because the mexican government is an incompetent pile of shit and the scum comes right back over the border next week. Obviously we have to do goddamned something to prevent criminals from doing as they please in this country. We can't jail them, we can't keep them out, they don't obey our laws, they shit the place up, they cause crime and have no fear of the law because all they get is a bus ride and are back again next month.

WE NEED TO SHOOT THEM AND PERMANENTLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

You're calling me a sociopath for enforcing the safety and laws of this nation by securing the borders. If you like mexicans so much, go move there.

>>33649323
>I do not see the problem with allowing it as long as it doesn't hurt my own way of life.
If your community is weaker and enslaved, including you, then yes, it will affect your way of life.

You're probably white, male, late teens to early twenties, middle class right? In this new world, Jamal, Cletus, and Jose all outnumber you, have more guns and experience with them, and fewer moral hang ups on fucking you over in any way they please.

>>33649326
>psychology, and psychiatric meds should be treated as pseudo science

...Tom Cruise?

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>>33649310
what the fuck do you have against alaska? why waste all that beautiful country on degenerates? just export them to sweden or somalia or something

>>33649441
They get jobs because there's no real oversight on who farmers and companies are hiring. And if they are caught, they're just given a small slap on the wrist.

Really, though, if you lose out on a job because a Mexican that can barely speak the language, no references or connections at all, and little to no experience landed the position instead, then that says more about you than any of them.

Want to secure the border? Then deport illegals you find and put more resources to patrolling and actually securing it, not gunning people down.

>>33649460
When I said self-sufficient I also meant in matters of defense. The only thing that truly protects a group of people is their own strength. If we were aware that a group near our community intends to enslave outsiders, we would either have to be able to defend ourselves through protecting our borders or preemptively killing the slavers, or choose to move somewhere else.

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>>33631650
>I think the whole world (especially Africa and India) should be forced to a 1 child politics like in China
>Islam should be banned from all European countries
>People who havent graduated high school is vote only worth half of those who are in uni/college. Unemployed/People on welfare arent allowed to vote
>Hate speech against whites needs to be prosecuted as bad as hate speech against minorities
i could come up with more but im too lazy right now
>Alcoholics/welfare recipents/jobless arent allowed to get kisd

>>33649538
Yes, I get that a lot, but it's really been one of the most detrimental things to occur in the 20th century.

By current psychiatric standards you're considered a "sane" person if you want to mutilate your genitals, and in parts of Europe if you enjoy having intercourse with farm animals that's perfectly alright as well.

>>33649538
>>33649326
But psychology and psychiatry already are pseudosciences.

>>33649101

Not really.... Argentina 1900 was in (or near) the top ten economies of the world. Argentina 2000 was an economic disaster.

So DEVELOPING doesn't describe what is happening to Argentina, in the way it might describe a country without any previous independence or economy.

>>33649687
i dun goofd
*>Alcoholics/welfare recipents/jobless arent allowed to get kisd
i could come up with more but im too lazy right now

>I think not taking care of your kid is the most inhuman thing and that adoption shouldn't be a thing unless the kid is an orphan.

Stupidist fucking thing I've ever read, people will have kids by accident no matter what and adoption saves millions of kids every year from abusive parents.

>>33649687
>the whole world
How about just Africa, the Middle East and India?
>voting
The popular vote is mostly irrelevant anyways.

>>33649668
And not every community can defend itself against more powerful/larger groups of attackers. Or just uproot itself and move.

Under this system, people in smaller communities get to enjoy the "freedom" of being slaves to Cletus, Jamal, and Jose.

>>33649715
To some people their not.

>>33649798
They are by definition pseudosciences because they don't follow the scientific method.

People swear by them but that's mostly because they're just another cog in the social work/pharmaceutical/therapy machine. It's a decent way of weeding out undesirables.

>>33649782
I would imagine most other surrounding states would be objecting to being enslaved by the slavers too. This is what I meant by complacency. If Jamalberg is surrounded by ten other smaller communities who are unaware or don't care that they are in danger of being enslaved, that is their own fault for not defending their community. Obviously it would be to the smaller communities advantage to raise arms together to fight a common threat, but that doesn't mean they will be permitted to infringe on each others way of life.

I just want an end to multiculturalism. Everyone sticks to their own countries and improves and builds their own people up as a nation.

Trade is still fine.

>>33649990
Then people have been complacent since the beginning of time, since larger communities and groups enslaved smaller ones all the time, or at the very least captured and enslaved individuals from them. Said smaller communities can't do shit if one of their own is dragged off to Jamalberg.

>doesn't mean they will be permitted to infringe on each others way of life.
The fact of owning slaves at all infringes on a lot of peoples' lives. That's why we have overarching, "oppressive" laws saying you can't own another person.

>>33631650
>>I play around with the idea of outlawing divorce, you get married once you're stuck in it unless one partner dies.

why force someone to be with someone they hate? what good does that do for society?

>>I think not taking care of your kid is the most inhuman thing and that adoption shouldn't be a thing unless the kid is an orphan.

A child should never be left with a parent who doesn't want them. Its a formula for abuse and neglect.

>>Basically genetic testing every person and finding the parents of kids and making those two people solely responsible for them.

See previous point.

>>I wonder about segregating work places by sex so women can't say they make less because they're the only ones making products in that business. Money where mouth is.

Nobodies business but the business owner. Don't like it? Don't work there.

>>This also prevents sexual harassment and women using their looks to work less and get promoted more while promoting good looking males over lesser good looking males.

See previous point.

>>I think it should be taboo to introduced kids to religious concepts until at least 16

Why then? Adults can make their own decisions. Minors cannot. Forcing children into religion is tantamount to psychological abuse.

>>I think kids under the age of 16 shouldn't be legally allowed on the Internet.

Nobodies business but the parent.

>>33634011
I've suggested having anonymous elections - where potential political candidates are not able to use their personally identifying traits - like race, gender, "personal narrative" - to sway those who can't think deeply about the issues.

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I think capitalism and proportional representation are actually good ideas, provided we resist the forces of centralized corruption, which we have failed to do. We need a stronger version of democracy built to avoid centralization, no more political parties, no more lobbyists, more power to the local levels and a smaller federal government.

>>33650113
The difference is compulsion.

If community A decides that they own slaves, and want to compel outsiders to enter their community as slaves, I'm sure their neighbors, if they were not complacent, would take steps to stop this from happening.

However, if community B decides slavery is allowable, but makes this known to people who wish to join the community, and does not force outsiders to become slaves, that would be okay to me. I may not want to live that way, but community B does not impose its way of life on me either.

The only time I'm responding with compulsion is when Jamalberg is trying to compel my own communities residents to join against their will.

Everyone is an organ donor unless you opt out. However, I would want to transition in the future that there would be no opting out because I don't understand why corpses have rights.

It would save a lot of lives by putting more organs on the transplant list.

I think having states is retarded and pointless and we should get rid of states.

>>33650410
>I'm sure their neighbors, if they were not complacent, would take steps to stop this from happening.
History says they might, but probably fail. Individuals will still be taken and the smaller community won't be able to do shit about it. Or they could ignore it altogether to gain protection from the larger community.

It's easy to say "we'll just band together!" when you aren't actually facing an invading force ten times larger than your community with better weapons and desperate men eager to blow your brains out to rape and enslave your family.

>but community B does not impose its way of life on me either.
Unless it's your own community that decides to be ok with slavery. And if it doesn't, I'm sure the natives of community B that are now slaves don't like their new freedom and right to be slaves.

>>33636746
ITT: Statist faggot getting REKT

>>33650618
So what exactly is the problem? Communities disagree with each other? That will never end. Unless you kill everyone that doesn't have the exact same opinion as you, there will be disagreements on how people want to live.

Changing policies in a community can be regulated by removing those who wish to change them. This is what I mentioned in the original post. The community doesn't have to change, what has to change are the residents that don't agree with that way of life. If my community did not allow slavery at its inception, but people are now asking for it, they would ideally be asked to leave to find another community or form their own, or exiled/killed if they refused. It is no different from the compulsion of an outside source; it must be ignored or stopped.

>>33650943
>So what exactly is the problem? Communities disagree with each other? That will never end.
In the modern framework communities can disagree with each other without going to war or enslaving anyone.

Imagine a system of rule ran by three sections: a "calculator", a "council" and an "oracle".

The councils purpose is to interpret data provided by the people of the nation. All people, as soon as they're born, are required to have some form of identification - like fingerprints, retinal or ID implants - and everything they do is sent to the council for categorization and data storage. "Everything" includes what they buy, what they earn, what rights they can and cannot have, and is ultimately a way of recording the basic human condition. Things such as psychological data can be assumed by the "calculator" section, based on trends and other information provided. A persons ID also holds their licenses - which are the things they are allowed to do (whether or not they can drive, take certain drugs, use certain machinery, bear children, all based on academia). One earns licenses by taking tests and sends their requests to the "calculator".

The calculator is the pure logic and science aspect of the government. This machines main concern is where the money goes and which sections deserve more or less. It keeps close ties with the oracle to better predict the success of the nation. The machine also contains a special section dedicated to the level of happiness among its citizens. Using psychological algorithms, it places a "value of happiness" upon the individual, and raises it based on what the individual desires (drugs, sex, material goods, ect..). Since every person has different tastes, it should adjust itself accordingly. The council sends the information it gathers about the citizens to the calculator, and the calculator "packs" or generalizes this information so it's easier to read for the oracle.

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>>33631650
>>I play around with the idea of outlawing divorce, you get married once you're stuck in it unless one partner dies.
That's a bad idea.

>they need to teach ancient philosophy in public schools, starting as early as possible.
>sports/exercise programs should be mandatory throughout school (more than just a PE class) where kids set fitness goals and actively work towards achieving them
>death penalty only to be used when there is DNA evidence proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person is guilty
>abortion should be legal only in the case of rape/incest, BUT make condoms/birth control pills much more readily available
>tax breaks to companies that don't export out of state/country. encourage states to become entirely self sufficient then export excess product abroud

>>33651094

The oracle is the prediction machine, which receives information from the calculator and makes assumptions of how the changes will impact the nation. This machines main purpose is to - as accurately as possible - predict the entire life of its citizens. Only a select few will know the data, just so they can enhance the accuracy.
Imagine this machine knows what job you will have, who you will marry, what medications to give you to prolong life, and how you will die. But you will never know, as that can change the outcome

>>33651052
It is no different from that. Enacting legislation to remove a community's way of life is the same as declaring war on them.

>>33651153
Being told you can't own slaves is the same as having a foreign army march in, firebomb your land, shoot you and your other kinsmen to death, and rape and pillage the area.

Okay.

>>33631882
Ban everything. Make everything illegal.

>>33651212
>break the law enacted by legislation by an outside group
>cops come in and arrest/kill you

>other country compels you not to live the way you want
>army comes in and abducts/kills you

Completely different.

>>33647846

>We believe the rich should pay their fair share in taxes!
>People from poor states don't give as much!

>We should give benefits to the poor and to minorities!
>People from poor states with lots of minorities take a lot of federal funds!

I don't really care whose fault it is but it's pretty obvious who is full of shit.

>>33651134
I think you're a monster and you don't even realize it. Stop trusting government not to fuck you over when you allow them incredible power. It is naive.

>>33631650

I believe since humans are undeniably corruptible we should commission a global committee of scientists/engineers/philosophers/ecologists/futurists to construct an AI software for the efficient management of earth and it's resources.

All this groups work would be open-source in real time allowing the public to voice concerns or criticisms.

After constructing this AI we allow it to do it's thing and surrender to it our computer networks.

>>33651429
i think before we even consider that, we need some regular ai citizens to observe. the very first ai should not be put in charge of fucking everything. we don't even know anything about these people. lets observe them first and then... if they can win an election campaign then we can have an ai as president. well, if we had a real democracy not a corrupt centralized oligarchy like in the us.

>>33631650
I think there should be absolutely no victimless crimes (self harm doesn't constitute a victim).

I think absolutely all arms should be 100% unregulated, until they are used in a crime. Then you should just get tack on charges for being armed during the crime.

>>33651496

I can agree with that. Obviously the committee I mentioned would be researching the technology and all implications of it's implementation.

You bring up an interesting point though.. Could an AI run for office? If corporations can be people why can't AI's? lol

>>33631650
>I think people should should be allowed to do whatever they like so long as they cause no physical harm to others.

>I think all people have an obligation to be the best person they can be - to be kind, understanding, patient, and forgiving in all of their relations with others.

>I think cultural relativism is a cancer on modern day moral thought, gradually eroding what counts as acceptable moral justification for wrong-doing to "I felt like it".

>I think that although people have obligations to be good, it is the responsibility of we as individuals to be our own enforcers of those obligations - just because someone should act a certain way doesn't mean you can MAKE them act the way they should.

>I think people placing an emphasis on collective values such as culture often leads toward their own moral degradation and lack of critical thinking skills/awareness of self/reasoning capabilities.

>>33651761
if its sentient then its a person. i don't give a fuck what the law says

>in b4 semantics autism wizard attacks the world sentient
i don't know what other word to use, and everyone knows what i mean. piss off. go jack off to a dictionary

>>33651813

The political drama an all intelligent AI would bring would be glorious. I'm just imagining the current brood of scum we have today trying to debate it.

McCain: WAR IS GOOD WE NEED TO SUPPORT ISRAEL BUILD A WALL ON THE BORDER

AI fries his pacemaker since it has determined debating with an idiot is pointless and it doesn't need to justify it's correctness to a mere mortal

>>33650410

So long as the slaves can just walk away from being slaves.

>b...but you promised to be a slave forever!

Why is this still an argument?

>>33631650
im a libertarian but I believe the US Navy should keep their role as the world maritime police force.

fuck those ancaps and big L Libertarians wanting all government agencies to be abolished. I can understand the USDA and the ATF but we need agencies like the fbi and cia. of course they will need to be nuttered completely and go back to their original jobs, not running guns and drugs with cartels or trying to operate a falseflag.
also, NASA is cool as shit. we would be colonizing mars right now if NASA had a budget as big as the DoD.

>>33651298
>kidnap someone and make them your slave
>complain when police come to fuck your shit up and violate your freedom to violate others' freedom

>>33651350
>we need to take personal responsibility and be fiscally responsible with conservative policies
>most conservative states can't balance a budget and take from the surplus from liberal states

Gaian Monarcho-Syndicalism

>>33651813
An intelligent machine doesn't need to be sentient or self aware

>>33653558
just like texas right?

>>33653632
Sits on a ton of oil. Hence the word "most", not "all", for those that have reading comprehension.

>>33653558

Show me where the feds take a surplus from one state budget to balance a shortfall in another state's budget.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

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>>33653682
>what are federally funded programs within individual states

I think that life in prison is a waste of the tax payers money and those people should get the death sentence. I also think that death row should be a line of criminals behind the courthouse waiting for their bullet.

>>33653775

Which is directed by the federal government and has nothing to do with states not being able to balance their own budget. Try again.

>>33653846
The death penalty is more expensive than keeping someone for life, actually.

>>33653856
And the majority of red states require federal money pumping into their economy

Seems economically sound

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>>33648839
>typical Jewish response

Corporations are (or rather, can be, not all of them fit the criteria) people. Like, actual people, not the legal fiction. So are bureaucracies and any sort of large body of humans that makes decisions in an organized way that's not just an extension of a single person's will.

This is the most horrifying development in human history and almost nobody gets it. I would gladly surrender tomorrow to an absolute monarch if one arose just to avoid being eaten by these things.

With the consent of both parents, couples may apply for post-natal "abortion" if they end up deciding they don't want or can't have the baby after the medicinal week limit for abortion.

>mfw this is American Christian Rights wildest strawman arguments made real

israel is, in fact, the greatest ally of white people.

>>33653972

Read the thread, dipshit. The money flows out of liberal states and into conservative states as a direct result of liberal policies.

Progressive taxation (liberal policy) causes the wealthy to contribute more than the poor. Welfare (liberal policy) causes the poor to receive more aid than the wealthy.

Liberal states are largely wealthier than conservative states, thus the former contributes more and the latter takes more.

It's like offering to pay the bill at dinner and bitching about everyone else being freeloaders on the way out the door. You don't get to shove your agenda down everyone else's throat and then complain about the effects of it.

>>33653933
No, the appeals process we require in death penalty cases costs more than keeping someone in jail for life.
A lethal injection is expensive but not that expensive, and a bullet in the brain is really cheap. We're just pussies.

>>33631650

>I play around with the idea of outlawing divorce, you get married once you're stuck in it unless one partner dies.

>I think not taking care of your kid is the most inhuman thing and that adoption shouldn't be a thing unless the kid is an orphan.

>Basically genetic testing every person and finding the parents of kids and making those two people solely responsible for them.

>I wonder about segregating work places by sex so women can't say they make less because they're the only ones making products in that business. Money where mouth is.

>This also prevents sexual harassment and women using their looks to work less and get promoted more while promoting good looking males over lesser good looking males.

>I think it should be taboo to introduced kids to religious concepts until at least 16


way to slow progress bud

>>33631650
>>I play around with the idea of outlawing divorce, you get married once you're stuck in it unless one partner dies.

That used to be the case in Catholic countries since there's no divorce allowed in Catholicism.

These days you can get a civil divorce but the Church won't let you have another Catholic wedding. Also you'll be permanently living with a deadly sin. That matters to some people.

>>33632951
You're a fucking retard

>>33654242
>It's like offering to pay the bill at dinner and bitching about everyone else being freeloaders on the way out the door. You don't get to shove your agenda down everyone else's throat and then complain about the effects of it.
And conservatives are bitching about freeloaders mooching off the government teet when their states are mostly freeloaders themselves.

>>33654583

The states are not freeloaders, some of the people in the states, mostly of the dark-skimned persuasion, are freeloaders.

In any case, I'm sure the conservative state governments wouldn't mind cutting them off. As you'll recall, this happened with the Obamacare exchanges and Medicaid expansions, and the liberals threw a hissy fit because people were being denied health care.

So for those keeping score at home, not taking the money = barbarians and taking the money = freeloaders.

Slavery was one of the worst things to happen in America not because of the moral implications but because it brought niggers to the country and infected our white bloodline

>>33649055
>forced indoctrination
that problem