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This looked fucking great

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This looked fucking epic

>>137566601
>tiki torches
>fucking great
You looked like tools.

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I want more of this

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>>137566545
Spencer is a joke, says "Marx was right about some things when it comes to 'crony capitalism'", supports Tulsi Gabbard (Bernie style socialist), and overall is much more leftwing then right

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>>137566662
>Calling them tiki torches to hide how scared you are

They were so effective a Jew was caught on camera saying "If my father saw this he would spin in his grave like a dreidel (jewish toy)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzZb6kfctEU

>>137566797
I don't call them tiki torches. They ARE fucking tiki torches.
Also he probably meant that his father would roll in his grave because he's laughing too hard.

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Let me remind the autists at 8ch /leftypol/ who said the alt-right was a DYING movement before UTR and made charts for a second time:

The DailyStormer viewership for the past 24 hours: 800k uniques.

800K uniques to an ALT RIGHT blog in 24 hours - DS is an ALT RIGHT blog.

Almost a million people came to visit an ALT RIGHT blog.

Our movement is BLOWING UP. Through the fucking roof! WE ARE IN FUCKING ORBIT!

We are going to be everywhere, by the millions. Soon you will have no place to hide.

Remember this:

Anti-Spencer = anti-white

Anti- alt-right = anti-white

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>>137566936
>his father would roll in his grave because he's laughing too hard.

I love to watch Jews screeching (pic related is OC). They were screeching on Twitter all day.

They didn't know what's going on because we're not KKK and we're not Nazis. They shat their pants.

>Identity Evropa

lol, that is going to blow up in your face at any moment, you should be happy the leftist "journalists" are generally slow people so they haven't discovered the NSDAP format of the Identity Evropa movement with it's extreme racialism

I don't even know what you think you can achieve with removing Nazi or WP symbols when the organizations behind these things are all extreme racialists, you can't stop people calling you Nazis when the ideological goal of the alt-right is white separatism with a purity spiral that is far more extreme than whatever the NSDAP was doing in the 30's.

>>137567140
We are still talking about tiki torches here. Call me a traditionalist, but for torchlight processions real torches should be used, not garden decoration.

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>>137567141
You're saying a lot but not saying anything at all.

Let me make this clear - we're NOT Nazis. I don't meant that in a leftist sense, but we have a different white supremacist movement with different people.

We're not Germ supremacists, we are a white tribalism movement.

We're not the same as these failed retards.

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>>137567234
We can fix that, it's really a non issue.

But our goal was to scare the shitskins and it worked.

This is a video of Antifa getting beat up during the Torch march:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRtHUPgVP_o

Maybe it was posted, if so - treat as reminder

It was all set up
http://archive.is/2017.08.15-004529/http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/14/heres-how-the-virginia-state-police-provoked-violence-at-charlottesville/

>>137567511
>>137567320
>>137566545
>4chan pass

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>>137567234
K

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>>137567573
Yeah it was a setup.

But the UTR rally is our biggest victory to date. I'm starting to think the Charlottesville police ambush was the greatest thing to happen to us because it created the clash and made all the happenings and terrorist videos possible.

If we just held regular speeches we wouldn't attract half the attention.

We need to start placing ANTIFA and bussing in BLM niggers next time lmao

We're going back there in September.

I have a feeling the next guy to pull out a Nazi flag at one of these things is going to get dogpiled. A commitment to free speech doesn't mean you have to let one dumbass -- or plant -- make you look like idiots.

>>137567320

Nobody who says "those Nazis" thinks of actual Nazis in WWII, it's just a euphemism for racists. The fact that a portion of the movement shows up with Nazi symbols is just a bonus, but once some serious journalism is done into the organizations like Identity Evropa, TRS and such you won't have much to wiggle room to pretend not to be "Nazis".

Let's see how well Mike Enoch can claim they aren't Nazis when someone asks him why he calls his podcast The Daily Shoah. There is enough in his podcast alone to understand the connection between these movements and what you think is something new. There is nothing new about these movements, it's a propaganda effort to distance itself from "failed movements" as you say but they haven't done anything to actual soften their message. The message remains the same now as it did with Metzer, just because you change your shirt and symbols doesn't change that.

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>>137567926
I underestimated the importance of optics until I saw the Vice video about the rally.

They made us out to look like total retards. If you look at the first 2 minutes it's all good looking normal whites (mostly posters from here) who dressed nicely and lead the torch march. We looked better than a Nazi rally.

Then they captured some retards who screamed "GAS JEWS" and "FUCK NIGGERS" and stretched it for 20 minutes with dramatic music while the niggers were crying.

And now I'm thinking all these LARPers are fucking dead weight. It's just as important to separate ourselves from them as it was to separate from the Alt-Light 6 months ago.

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>>137567848
plan strategy ahead, make good optics
make antifa niggers look bad

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>>137567953
>There is nothing new about these movements, it's a propaganda effort

Yes there is, we are completely different.

Nat-Soc is a 30's movement for Central Europe - it's German supremacy.

We're way more all-encompassing as far as European groups go and we won't cause in-fighting among our people.

White nationalism 1.0: Stormfront, Fail-Soc, Hitler, Duke, being edgy for the sake of being edgy

White nationalism 2.0: 4chan, frog memes, intellectual Millenials/Gen Z, Spencer, DS

We are WINNING and we are going to get the job done. The NSDAP will look like larping children compared to the shit we're pull with NPI. The UTR rally was just a preview to what's coming.

Also get rid of all the kekistan meme flag shit as well.

>>137566545
>unite the right
>thro natsocs under the bus
spencer is the worst figure head. drop him if you want to stand a chance. white nationalism is just the realization the ethnic and racial gropus prefare to stick toghter. white nationalism isint an ideology. the largest groups at cville were firstly confederates, then national socialists. without us the alt-right is nothing but a rich kids ego trip

you're a nigger

>>137566545
I just want to have like 12 white children with spencer, he's so hot.
Even hotter in person. ;_;

>>137568342
>ow I'm thinking all these LARPers are fucking dead weight. It's just as important to separate ourselves from them as it was to separate from the Alt-Light 6 months ago.

Don't worry too much about this, remember how Trump won - he was fucking brutal, talking smack about anyone who was on his way

Pepole will see niggers, and entitled cunts, and commies for what they really are. MSM narrative doesn't matter since Trump calls them fake news

I could have swore this whole thing was a troll like fucking everything we do, when did so many people fall for the joke so whole heartedly and actually become nazis?

>>137569139
i can smell the new off of you

>>137566545
Just convince them to drop that the damn swaztikas and torches

How hard can it be?

I mean what is their reasoning for continuing to use that imagery?

>>137569210
I just like pissing people off, Nazis suck, why would you actually want to be one.

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>>137566742
He doesn't support Tulsi Gabbard
it was a fucking joke tweet you shill cunt

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>>137569370
because they were right

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>>137566545
>D-d-d-don't use the symbols that we've banned goy, you aren't allowed to

>>137569520
I mean, sure, fuck jews, but Nazis?

We should also incorporate the Rebel Yell when we do the massive flash rallies.

This is what the leftists heard when they got bombarded with the torch light flash rally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAYlNY6Ee-g

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>>137569077
>Don't worry too much about this

How can I not worry about this? This is actually the only thing we should we worried about. It's our only flaw.

We missed an opportunity to spread propaganda on one of the biggest millenial channels (Vice) because 2 retards decided they were going to be the face of the rally and starter sperging about Jews in front of Vice cameras.

Now instead of whites looking up more Jared/Spencer videos (which would naturally convert them after a few videos), now they think we're the villain because we look like the old white nationalists.

They are destroying EVERYTHING we worked for and memed until now.

If there was "controlled opposition" to discredit the alt-right it would be these people.

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listen here you larping faggots, attempting to carry on in this and creating a racewar is exactly what soros wants in order to declare a national security crisis and push trump out of office, it's obvious as hell that our beloved alt right organizers are setting us up and throwing us under the bus.. people are being doxxed to hell, losing their jobs and going to hospitals while following them blindly into a fucking trap and a honeypot, you don't think Kessler and Spencer knew what was gonna go down in VA? Just because they're suing now you think they were on our side, they purposely set us up to fall into a trap.. look at what happened we were trapped with media ready and rolling, the cops standing down, the media was already spouting the narrative before any rioting took place, antifa and dindus deployed, funded and armed. Kessler was just outed today as being an OBAMA OCCUPY supporter until barely last November 2016.. so what happened he suddenly had a change of heart? Made a switch? decided he was gonna become the leader and organizer of alt right white nationalist rallies?? look at what's taking place and who's involved, weeve from the DS just got connected to the SOROS funded Ukranian ALT RIGHT, he's been writing articles for DS from fucking ukraine this whole time.. conveniently their website gets hacked by anonymous when that comes to light, attempting to hide shit on their servers, anonyshills released a statement saying they never fucking hacked ANGLIN WEEVE OR THE DS.. they're hiding a fucking money trail and it's all getting whiffed out now, what the fuck are we doing this is some low tier autism.. we need to start digging into this now before everything gets cold
... i can't believe i'm having to post this again

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>>137566545
>It's important to show that we're mostly young intellectuals

What could possibly go wrong?

>>137568342
You're not wrong and the big fail will come when we underestimate media spin. The following morning and day, most people I knew wanted nothing at all to do with this shit or felt they had to go the extra mile to condemn it. It does no good to crack a few skulls at rallies only to look like violent crybabys and lose elections.

We have to actually win over normies and that will never happen when KKK and neo Nazi faggots show up to these things.

>>137566654
Oh shit, I thought the line was over and then it extended for like another quarter mile

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>KKK, Nazis and Confederate flag autists have to be banned from the next rally - too easy to vilify, BAD optics.

Nah, they have to be banned because they're FBI informants that set you up.

>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/14/charlottesville-attack-vanguard-america-james-fields-dillon-hopper?CMP=share_btn_tw&fref=gc
>https://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/20/headlines/jo_cox_shooter_attended_meeting_of_white_supremacists_arranged_by_fbi_informant?fref=gc
>http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/kkk-leader-seeking-charlottesville-rally-has-history-as-fbi-informant/article_d4f743b0-4b0b-11e7-9b0d-bf585dde11ff.html?fref=gc

The mouthbreather they arrested for driving that Charger was in the Army for four months then mysteriously inactivated. In other words - the time-tested resume of the MK ULTRA patsy

>>137569669
>solid economic policies
>great a e s t h i c
>only country in the 20th century to deal with the jews
>understands will to power
>social darwinism
>workers rights
>empowers the volk
>only ones to implement eugenics
>amazing iconography

nazis were g.o.a.t. dont get me wrong, theres lots i hate about the NSDAP. like censorship, bad military planning on hitlers part, ect. but national socialism is the best form of governance. thats why they're so hated. they were the only ones to actually deal with the problems

>>137569867
>rubber duck noises

>>137566545
>Hey gaiz, lez deh-vaid ah limitid suppoth!
Get lynched, jew. It's all or nothing. trying to larp intellectuals only makes you as stupid as those academic nigger-libshits.

>>137566545
Richard Spencer did a press conference.

https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/897185789796339713

richard spencer
>organise protest to #unite with people chanting about blood & soil
>hop in a car with david duke
>how dare they call us nazis

greg johnson
>only 18% of people there identified as national socialist!
>unironically use phrases like "that black chimped out"
>how dare they call us nazis

if you want to hang out with the trad workers party you should probably stop playing the victim

>>137569908

>The following morning and day, most people I knew wanted nothing at all to do with this shit or felt they had to go the extra mile to condemn it.

Correct. Hardcore anti SJW groups turned 50% in favour of giving Antifa the nuclear codes.

The remaining right wingers are resorting to report phaging against non fashy accounts.
It's hard to think of a more pitifully desperate measure to control the narrative when righties have been claiming to be team free speech.

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>>137566545
no one is Alt right it's controlled branding. stop trying to say we're alt right
The CIA should be shut down
So the CIA assembled one of their LARP leaders, a hostile city mayor and police, a media contingent, literal CIA agents standing by ready at a scene of a crime, feral antifa with bats shutting down streets, people paid to carry Nazi flags, and a schizophrenic half Jew piece of shit who will drive into people when his car gets attacked without caring about the consequences, someone completely unrepresentative of anybody

the CIA's rally was cancer. a PR trap constructed by them to defame Trump and anyone else. Why should Trump not investigate the CIA? They got someone killed and fucked with several political movements

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>>137566545
i hope you guys make it out of this aye OK. also i think ramze paul opinion on the alt right should be considered. and prehaps dial back the fashy goy imagery undercuts,deathsheads,swastikas,german eagels, hugo boss etc its scaring the normies

>>137566545

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD FAGGOT: RICHARD SPENCER IS A TERRIBLE LEADER. ALL HE IS IS AN ATTENTION SEEKING CAMERA WHORE.

>>137566545
Fuck off CIA nigger

>>137566545
banning the swastika just shows weakness. this is fucking america and supporting any political party you like is a basic constitutional freedom.

fuck any fascist who says different.

we need to remind these normies that there are consequences for backing the wrong side.

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The Unite The Right people got a LEGAL PERMIT to have a march in support of keeping Confederate monuments in place; litigated that right and kept the permit through the Federal Courts. So they had the right to be there. They marched peaceably, their only weapons being words, and only fought back when attacked.

On the other hand, the BLACK LIVES MATTER terrorists and the ANTIFA terrorists and the other assorted anti-white hate groups DID NOT HAVE A PERMIT to "counter-protest". These anti-white terrorists attacked the peaceful Unite The Right protesters with:

BLOWTORCHES
BRICK-SIZED STONES
COLA CANS FILLED WITH CEMENT
URINE
CHEMICAL WEAPONS,
Other things I havent heard about yet.

The Unite the Right protesters reportedly fought back with hands and feet when attacked by these weapons. Greatly over-matched in terms of weaponry and numbers.

And the Mainstream Media blames the Unite the Right protesters and only mention the evil anti-white terrorists as "counter-protesters" and even call them "peaceful".

Presumably not all of the counter-protesters were violent. It sounds like the lady who was killed was a good person, according to her family and friends, so her passing is that much more regrettable. But can anyone on the Left not understand that young driver's fear of being harmed by the armed BLM / ANTIFA "counterprotesters"?

Democrats jumped in front of the cameras to jump on Unite the Right, but that is no surprise. Some GOP cuckservatives likewise jumped on Unite the Right. No surprise there, either. They all deserved to be voted out of office.

But Trump isn't a cuckservative. So why didnt President Trump at least MENTION the Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA terrorists?

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>>137569775
Damn that video gave me the chills

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Guys, I think the joke's gone too far.

>>137569867
Chaos is only bad when it doesn't benefit us.

This kind of chaos works to our favor. You should only be scared if you're not white.

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>>137569600

Or you could realize that Nazi LARPing has failed miserably since the days of Rockwell and maybe consider learning from your failures and try something different.

>>137569908
Look I didn't mean in a sense your friends sperging on Facebook (that's going to happen anyway), I meant about defining who we are as a movement.

We have to be elitist and selective so people know we have standards. Not everyone can be alt-right.

There's a reason the KKK is not as appealing as it used to be during the 20s.

If we don't pull a barrier as far as the people we let in, the movement will fail just like previous Nat-Soc attempts. These are tried and failed movements.

Next rally, let Spencer or Jared do the talking. It's more shocking to normies to see young racists in attendance and well-spoken adult leaders than it is to hear "Fuck niggers" or "Gas the kikes" coming from some of us. When you're edgy you're not doing us any favors. In fact, you're subverting us.

>>137573005
They'll only be attracted to us when their next door neighbor looks like one of us.

I was just about to post a thread saying the exact same thing. Speaking as a silent supporter, the Nazi and KKK regalia simply cannot stay if you want your movement to retain its forward momentum. Republicans regained control of both the House and the Senate. You won the fucking presidency of the United States of America. Every day white Americans looked at the left and saw flag burning, blue haired communist sympathizers, then looked to the right to see nice young men in white polos and and suits. Then they voted.

...Then you decided to tell them you were literal fucking Nazi's. Have absolutely none of you read any kind of strategy or game theory? You were winning, and then gave them the perfect ammunition to fight back. Fuck sake.

>>137566545
>We could be 500 normal guys like the Torch rally

And STILL BE CALLED NAZIS OR KKK!

MSM does not give a fuck about narrative. Bash it into your skull. We are always racist, nazis or whatever they think next.

Yes there were Nazi salutes and general foolery, but in the end, their rally had a permit. They chanted and marched while holding a torch. They didn't riot, destroy private property. They acted civil in the end

>inb4 "but the car"

The fuck you expect when antifa riots like animals and cause terror to others? Gift basket?

No. All you get is FUBAR situations. Situations what you cause, but refuse to take responsibility.

>>137572314
seriously, wish there was more

>KKK, Nazis and Confederate flag autists have to be banned from the next rally
so you are a PR faggot, too bad, since you took the time to defend UTR, really sad

>>137573368
>MSM does not give a fuck about narrative. Bash it into your skull. We are always racist, nazis or whatever they think next.
THIS, don't give in to the hysteria the fucking trumpshits drummed up

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>>137573368
You're missing the point. This is how Vice presented us. We missed an opportunity to make our leaders known and spread propaganda on the biggest Millennial channel (our target audience).

They didn't present us as the torch rally where we looked /aesthetic/ as fuck.

They made us out to look like ignorant, old washed out racists.

We're basically the opposite. I'm so pissed about this.

I often shill for Spencer but I blame him for not weeding them out and taking charge in front of the cameras. Was he trying to act humble?

>>137573964
because the MSM will always amplify the worst aspects no matter what you do, stop trying to conform to the status quo, stop cucking out

>>137573452
>so you are a PR faggot

Give me one reason we should GIVE media the opportunity to make us look like all the other movements before us. When we can easily avoid that in the first place.

>>137573542

It DOES matter. Liberal media will always call you Nazi's, absolutely, but up to now most 'normies' just saw that as hyperbole and typical media bullshitting.

Now you've just said "Nope, they're right! We're Nazis. Gas kikes fuck niggers hurrdurr."

And you expect to be taken seriously? Wake the fuck up.

>>137574121
You don't understand. We're portrayed the EXACT same as these older movements that failed.

There is zero difference in the videos.

This happened because we invited everyone on the right while the ALT RIGHT is the movement with the numbers. We don't even need their validation.

>>137573964
>Vice is a big millennial news outlet
>I wonder why they made us look bad
Well it's pretty obvious isn't it?

>>137574183
If you don't bring a flag then a paid agitator will bring it and all the MSM needs is one photo and they got a news. I'm sorry but this is unwinable.

Even if people didn't bring flags the MSM would call them the KKK who forgot their flags or something

It's a battle you can't win

>>137574308
fuck off you dumb trumpshit, all you care is your """movement""" getting tainted by ebil nazis

>>137574433
they never found the guy who supposedly brought the NAZI flag to the last rally, was he even on this rally? we will never know but the MSM will lie in your face that there were dozens of those

>>137566545
bring rainbox flags

>>137574769

And that level of critical thinking is why Poland is still a world powe-- oh wait.

doesnt the left realize this reaction will empower these activists?

they started a fire and they dont even realize it yet.

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or use this one. hard to identify, gay but with a white stripe in it. diversity, but seperation of colors.

BTW

DAILYSTORMER IS DOWN PROBABLY FOREVER

GOOGLE SEIZED THE DOMAIN WHEN ANGLIN GOT SHUT DOWN BY GODADDY

>>137574962
dude, you cuck out for a guy who bragged about harassing women and who called mexicans rapists AND WON. He won because he never apologised and rarely backtracked. The MSM called him a nazi for kissing a baby. There is no way to please those people.

>>137566545
>distancing yourself from your allies as soon as they're branded terrorists

my fucking sides.

Europe is too cucked. Its all on you guys. You have to save the West. I know you can do it.

>>137575103
that's a fucking shame, is there ever a chance for them to come back?

>>137575009

That may well be the intention. Outrage the other side, provoke them to get even more violent and add more fuel to the PR fire.

>>137575103
Don't fuck with the deceased next time.

>>137566797
>Scared

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Lahouaiej-Bouhlel

>86 killed
>458 injured
This is what a real motivated terrorist with pure ideals is able to achieve. Killing 1 (one) morbidly obese woman and managing to get your entire movement branded as terrorists is ultimate kek.

>>137575103
Its actually on deep web https://forum.therightstuff.biz/topic/55682/daily-stormer-on-the-deep-web

Spencer a fag who can't even debate Charles Barkley and win... go back to your trailer park fat ass no one cares what you think

>>137566545
>and Confederate flag autists
You realize the rally was for the confederate monument right?

>>137566545

Nah.

Look, in all honesty, I think all types of identity politics are stupid. They take away from the real issues.

That being said, if the left is going to play the identity politics game, we're stupid to unilaterally disarm. So if they want to say "OMGZ NAZI NAZI NAZI" when the right brings in an innocuous, middle of the road speaker to a campus...fuck it, send in the actual Nazis.

>>137575766
>go back to your trailer park
and you go back to r/the_donald

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The Americans really need to learn from the almost samizdat-like actions of G.I.
>>137567511

Get in, do your thing, spread pamphlets, hang banners, and get out. Not only is that more effective in terms of optics, but the infrastructure put in place through these stunts can be scaled all the way down to almost invisibility.

>>137575585
>Killing 1 (one) morbidly obese woman and managing to get your entire movement branded as terrorists is ultimate kek
That is because it was not planned act of terror, but the guy just probably felt threatened by the mob

>>137573964

It's you who are missing the point antifa shill.

Read my post again if you can, but I guess you lose 3 shekels for having to scroll back.

Won't look great on performance review.

>>137566545
how about don't go to these rallies in the first place?
they're honeypots and you're just asking to be doxxed
it sucks but it's the reality we live in

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>>137566545

Promote the symbols and icons you want to see in your future regime. Unless you're purposely trying to ressurect the Third Reich, don't bother saturating the demo with those icons.

GI and AV understand this.

>>137575585
National Action was branded a terrorist organisation and they never hurt a soul.

>>137575766
>Spencer a fag who can't even debate Charles Barkley and win
Wait you think the nigger won? Lol?

>>137566545
>BAD optics

Why don't you kill yourself with your "bad optics"? Keep bowing to the cuckservatives and liberals.

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>>137572425
This is magical

>>137575120

He won because people liked that he 'had balls', he didn't call Mexicans rapists directly it was framed much differently than that, and he absolutely backtracked on the 'harassing women', he called it locker room talk.

There's still an enormous difference between that and admitting to being a literal Nazi. If you think this will continue anywhere with the LARPers in your ranks you must be completely retarded.

>>137575884
>not a planned act
Morons can't even terrorist correctly.

>>137570254
Hitler was an art school fag who got bullied to death by a slav and a cripple

>>137573964
>nazi.png
Isn't that Cantwell? He's a fucking nationalist ancap or something.

>>137576122
So they're terrible at their job?

>>137567234
You and cat ladies on twitter are the only persons who care about the "TIKI" torches. Nobody even knows wtf a "tiki torch" is. Non-faggots and non-catladies on twitter saw an awesome march with torches.

>>137566962
but
>hurr durr spencer is an cia agoont
zero evidence

>>137572425
>REEEE NOBODY EVER HURT ME ON THE INTERNET THIS IS GETTING TO REALLLLLL FUCKING KIKES REEE

My sides.

>>137576193
If you're not out to woo normies and promote popular synpathy, in order to build a political regime, whats the point of even demonstrating?

To get in fights?

>>137576351
No, the point (that you missed it on purpose) was that there's no limit to how friendly we can be to avoid being misrepresented and attacked by the establishment.

>>137574183

It does not matter what the Jewish owned media thinks or says. The fact that you still think it is possible to win in a territory entirely controlled by your enemies proves how naive and foolish you are.

>>137566742
Why is every post about Spencer blatant disinformation? I never really knew much about him or followed him but Jesus Fuck do people shill against him here.
It's enough to make me go hmm...

>>137576252
he had balls because he didn't care what the MSM said, while you trumpshits started acting like JEBites and started crying about PR and based minorities

>>137576272
Maybe because it was not terrorist attack?

Reminder, one state is literally trying to officially label "White Nationalist" as terrorists.

this is how you win:

provoke the BLM chimps into a chimpout

when they get violent, the left will have to call them out or look like hypocrites (moreso than usual)

10d chess

>>137576542
See
>>137576460
>>137576086

>>137576523
Because he scares them.

>>137576460
to show people who have similar poilitcal opinions that theres a group for them

>>137576523
r/the_donald fags are here, the Golem turned against us, they think Spencer is a Soros agent because Alex Jones said so

>>137573964
Spencer is controlled opposition, or a puppet for yet another unseen faction.

>>137576462
>oh we're going to get violent
Good, then they can use military force against you. No current active wars in the US/UK/ANZ nothing like a little 'domestic terrorist hunting' for those special forces to collect some medals.

>>137576827
for the reptilians? you fucking tinfoil hatters...

>>137566545
WHY IS HIS FACE SO TINY ON HIS HEAD

HIS FACE IS SO FUCKING PUNCHABLE

CIA SHILL

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>>137576460
Bullshit. The flags carry a negative meaning with them because of the constant kike propaganda ever since WWII. The rally would have been complete and total success (it is now even with what happened) if that autist didn't run through the crowd (which from everything I've gathered and seen, was a panic run rather than premeditated murder).

>>137576141
Sir Charles is a human red pill.

>>137576928
commies, jews, old money that have been stroking off at the thought of being titled nobility, the news, cia. who knows so far.

>>137577095
they should have had American flags.

>>137577227
>Sir Charles is a human red pill.
>Sir Charles
Don't choke on that nigger dick too hard fag

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>>137577227
>they should have had American flags.

True. But the flags didn't matter in the end, did they? The only thing that mattered is that some "Nazi" drove through a crowrd (fuck the reasons why though). Point here is that you shouldn't back to any of their demands, no matter what they are because of (((bad optics))). That strategy has never worked nad never will.

>>137577227
>Sir Charles
>calling a nigger sir
trumpflakes everybody, look and laugh

>>137576928
They're merely "respectable conservatives," Anon. A group as anti-white as any liberal. A good word to describe them is "silly."

>>137577227
You're a silly person.

>>137577443
I've met him, he has his shit together, and might have that hick accent, but he plays it up for tv.

>>137566545
>Confederate flag
Why? It's no where nearly as taboo as the Nazi flag

>>137566545
You're going to be called nazis anyways. Just have some balls and double down. No one likes a coward.

>>137577672
How did his dick taste? Good enough to cuck for non.whites?

>>137576469

I don't know britbong. USA kicked your ass and gained independence through it.

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>>137575103
>DAILYSTORMER IS DOWN PROBABLY FOREVER

Good.

Fuck anglin.

>>137576820
Everyone already knew there were at least 1-2k white nationalists running around.

>>137578189
DailyStormer is useful as fuck for redpilling normies, you absolute kike. And it will be back.

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>>137566683
I recognise this nigger from somewhere. Wasn't he at the anti trump marches or am I mistaken?

>>137566545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVCfQ6Lyoo0&t=77s
William Luther Pierce- Lemmings

>>137567511

Holy shit, are you serious? The optics of the torch walk was very provocative and is likely what angered so many groups into showing up the next day. I doubt it scared anyone, but it sure as hell embarrassed most white people.

Not all attention is good attention.

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>>137578420
He was a side character in the first season of HWNDU and brought great ments and redpilling to the normies.

>>137577834
This is a cop out excuse to do the same shit we've been doing since the 60s.

GI and AV are not cucking out for drafting new iconography and promoting a clear message.

DailyStormer will be back

>>137566601
>>137566654
>>137566683
This shit looks great but then you get a van full of denim overall toothless fucking retards talking about gassing the Jews and it fucking ruins everything.

>>137578420
He's that Millenial Matt guy, he was going to debate PJW on the holocaust but PJW bitched out.
All you need to know about him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Zh84eOMy8

>>137566545
Completely agreed. If I see Nazi flags or salutes at another rally I will drop my support of the Alt-Right and find something else. They need to filter this stuff out if they want to succeed. Dress normally, act normally, and have AMERICAN flags.

>>137579163
Paul (((Joseph))) Watson.... every time. What do you expect from a kike? He only knows how to "debate" braindead morons like J.K Rowling

>>137576523
He's funded by people that are funded by soros, you might want to do a little research before falling for the biggest bait you can fall for. At least retards like you are weeded out this way, everyone deserves what's coming to them, you included.

>>137566545
>"look we're this cool new hip movement that understand public relation"
>torch rallies

>>137570254
>solid economic policies
They privatized everything and the only way they could generate wealth was by plundering other "white" countries
>great a e s t h i c
Couldn't spell that right. Fascism is all organization and no ideology. It fails at basic theory
>only country in the 20th century to deal with the jews
And they lost
>understands will to power
They actually misinterpreted Nietzsche because it was his sister who wrote a lot of anti-Semitic shit
>social darwinism
They lost the war so I guess that's survival of the fittest for ya
>workers rights
No, the fascists protected property rights and crushed worker's movements. Fascism is capitalism in decay
>empowers the volk
Religion, culture, language all do that and you don't need a fucktarded ethnostate for people to feel solidarity
>only ones to implement eugenics
Stalin did better
>amazing iconography
Once again looks aren't everything

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>>137579600
>tfw Joseph Goebbels was Jewish because of his name is Joseph

>>137579995
Nah m8, it was the Klucker garb.

>>137580170
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttttttttt

>>137580034
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a fucktarded ethnostate

>>137566545

Hate to tell point this out to you, but I think you're confused - you mention banning the KKK, Nazis, and Confederate Flags. The rally was using torches, took place at night, and protested the potential removal of a Confederate statue. You're pretty much deliberately hitting all of that symbolism.

The other reality is that the left is violent, deceitful, and committed. The will attempt to link any counter protest to those very symbols. And those symbols are vilified because they have invested decades teaching folks through the media and the schools that they are symbols of hate, repression, etc.

You could go out there in a suit and tie, and you're still going to be a racist Nazi at the end of the day. Quite honestly, the ship has sailed and you're shoveling shit against the tide at this point if you're trying to move public opinion. You know have two or three generations properly programmed and conditioned in the West, and the writing is on the wall.

>>137567140
>these Nazi KKK white supremofascists need to be denounced!
They really are confused. Just say "Fuck White People" if that's what you mean to say.

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>>137569370
You dont belong here.

>>137580034
>They privatized everything

Retard tier comment. The commie interpretation of authoritarianism is laughable and self-serving.

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>alt kike general
>OP has to spam his own thread and circlejerk with himself

>>137566742
>controlled opposition
>>137566683
>>137566662
>>137566654
>>137566601
>>137566545

How much $$$ is Soros giving you for this low tier fake shit? You don't even try to fit in faggot.

FALSE FLAG

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>>137579123
You can access it on Tor

>>137566545

If you're worried about optics AT ALL which you should be in any non-cyberspace engagements you'll drop this stupid controlled opposition faggot. Literally everything he's ever done is like nuclear waste toxic. It doesn't matter if he has any valid points to make at this point every time he goes out in public to do anything the right has to spend 5 months doing damage control on it.

If you're literally worried about optics at all you should avoid this faggot like the plague.

>>137566545
This. Anyone older than 30 and not part of organizing the event needs to go away. It's not important to gather thousands of people. What is important is to create something that is appealing to young white Americans, and have them organize.

There have been some good threads the last days. What needs to be done is to give up the alt-right and re-brand the entire movement to become even more crypto-fasc. Create a new group called "American youth against communism", or something similar. Stop attending rallies with shields and larpflags, and stop distributing memes trough the official channels. You need to be perceived as a respectable organization with no clear connection to /pol/.

This new organization needs to copy the organization structure of European resistance movements during the German occupation; Non-democratic authoritarian shadow leadership. Let Spencer work behind the scenes with Damigo as the perceived leader of the organization. That way Spencer can still do speeches without it being "his" organization, and so there are only weak ties to the alt-right.

Only brand the American flag. Make it look like you are normal decent young American patriots, but only virtually being the same you will be provoking the anti-fa to burn more American flags. Label CNN and the rest of the media as communist, or communist enablers, anyone that speaks against you are communist enablers.

The public will think it is odd that you only allow white people, but the visual element will only look like descent American youth waving the American flag being attacked by communists. Stop chanting Nazi slogans and just sing the American anthem. Make it clear that you are the brave and the free while the leftists are not. America is only for brave and free people, not people that needs protection. Minorities are destroying the American dream. That is your narrative.

>>137580301
Look if you're a cool new hip movement, then don't go around using old symbols that aren't fucking new. Torch rallies are an extremely bad look and the fact of the matter is that people on the right are over playing their very, very weak hand, mostly because they're idiot incapable of exploiting an actual opportunity. The reasons that explain the rise of something like white nationalism or, let us say, white consciousness, are rather easy to decipher. The effect of globalization have been unequal, the white elite is hostile to whites in general, and the increase of the immigrant population with an explicitly anti white message has been rising. There are all, more or less, "good" things from the point of view of someone who believes there is such a thing as white interests. There is a sort of demand, on the part of some whites, to have people in their corner defending them against these attacks. But it should be recognized that this demand is not so great. For the most part, the vast majority of white people still live in normie ideology, where every human being is more or less the same and in which the west is invincible and is a permanent feature of any world order to come. In this world, nationalism is the ultimate evil and tolerance the ultimate virtue.

When you old torch rallies in order to defend confederate monument, you're fucking up very, very bigly. You're not AT ALL attacking the ideological presuppositions that make the normie what he is. You're not making him more fearful, you're not convincing him that what he loves is fragile and liable to be lost, you're not showing him that the immigrant population hates him, you're doing NOTHING to change his views of the world.

Worse, you're not even being the least bit confusing about the symbols you use to portray yourself. You're giving him the opportunity to save himself the effort to think by using old symbols he already has categorized.

>>137568958
Stop worshipping Hitler you fucking retard.
You are never going to revive your failed ideology.

>>137566545
If you're white and actively acting in the interest of your own people you're going to be called a Nazi and a KKK member no matter what. Do you actually think you'll get good media coverage if you don't use the scary flags?

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This was a huge morale boost to see these people marching openly it doesn't suprised me shills come here to shitpost about pr to throw a wet blanket on everything.

>>137581340
>>137581494
>t. Schlomo
>muh precious jewish optics

Why don't you both just kill yourself and spare us your jewish shennanigans?

>>137581022
>What needs to be done is to give up the alt-right and re-brand the entire movement to become even more crypto-fasc.

You guys suck so fucking hard. The Alt-Right was ALREADY a re-brand and you fucked it up in a bout 6 month precisely by using this tactic. If the substance of what you are is fascism, no amount of world play will wash away the stink that's gonna emanate from you when you go out larping for fascism. Words won't make a new reality.

The obsessive preoccupation with symbols really show that, at bottom, the problem is one of substance. I've never seen the alt-right articulate something that remotely made sense save for the IQ question, but even then they draw wrong conclusions from it.

If this is what the alt-right is then it's fucking doomed.

Y'all are acting like there's a significant portion of these rallies that isn't confederates, nazis, or stupid hicks. Its all the same shit, and now the correlation is set in stone

>>137566545
Kill all non red haired/green eyed people Kill all black haired people Kill blondes too idgaf they're vermin as much as the jew I'm talking to you too nazi/kkk fucking kill nazis/kkk people nuke them all to oblivion let Ronald McDonald fucking do it if you have black hair color kkkkkyyyysssss Anytime I ever see anyone with black colored hair sympathize with being white I just wanna say "fucking kiiill yourself" RED HAIR SUPREMACY BLACK HAIR HATE HATE THE BLACKIE BLACK COLOURED HAIR IS FROM THE DEVIL KILL BLACK HAIRED PEOPLE

>>137581777
Did you read what I wrote bud, I was saying that we're going to get 'bad optics' no matter what. We shouldn't concern ourselves with the opinion of our enemies.

>>137573368
Are you a literal retard? Its one thing for normies to be told by the news 'all trump supporters are literally nazis' so much that they begin to question the system and a very fucking different thing to find out that a lot of us actually are and were doing a great job of concealing it unlike the 80 IQ retards and convicts that show up to these rallies.

MOST people there were fine, which lead me to believe a lot of these Nazi/KKK LARPers were paid agitators and shills, but that shouldve been planned for just like it is at any mainstream right wing rally, which is what we need to be.

Wake the fuck up.

>>137581779
The "manifesto" or whatever published by the alt-right is clearly fascist. Damigo said himself in an interview that he have no problem with socialism. Don't fool yourself. Spencer is a fascist.

>>137569370
Eh this place has changed. Nazi shit used to trigger people because of shock value so it was a decent meme especially online. But keep playing with the same thing and you start to believe it. Especially the younger kids on here who have grown up regurgitating nazi shit. Now nazi shit has been legitimized again so it's no longer shock value or a meme. Now it's just a label that people hate. Sure it triggers them but differently now. But one things for sure it's no longer a meme. With this place.

muh optics

Moral is sky high men! Alt right websites are being views a shit load. Now remember for every 5-10 trannys that visit to hate on us, a young white man views it, he starts to agree and his almonds activate, he says "it's true... all of it"

Our membership across far right groups is rising fast. Before UTR we had maybe 15-20k total. Many of whom did not show up. By next week we may surpass 25k. Then after our next rally, another spike. Maybe 30k. He'll this time next year we may surpass 100k. And at that point we can combat any grassroot antifa/blm that wants to fuck with us. And we will win every single rally battle by strength alone.

>>137566545

>He must separate these subhumans if he's the leader of a new movement and he's confident we're not a LARPer imitator group

Spencer is a moron who already showed time and time again he is unable to contain his power level. He isn't fit to lead any pro-white movement whatsoever.

>>137580350
An ethno-state is virtually unattainable without genocide and mass deportations which won't be likely since America has millions of non-whites
>>137580467
Retard-tier ideology. How does it feel to believe in neo-fedualism? You think capitalism gives wealth to the many and not the few? You wish you were a CEO but in reality you aren't even close. Keep sucking up to these aristocrats with your love of private property

>>137581494
National Socialism is just a retarded failed ideology, similar to other Utopian German fantasies we see all the time. The fucking Eternal kraut and his inherent autism are always too focused on perfecting their ideology in their minds and not with creating systems that function in reality. Every clash between ideology and reality is met with an attempt to change reality, typically through tyrannical force. The end result is always more suffering.
Nat-Soc needs to be dropped because it's retarded, not because of "muh optics"(which seriously don't fucking matter because there is no difference in their minds between Adolf Hitler, and a white guy who doesn't think his wife should inseminate herself with black sperm to increase the diversity of his family)

>>137582120
Fuck man, misquoted you. Pretty accurate post though.

>>137566601
>>137566545

>>137577641

>>137581777
Nice digits, but I never mentioned optics. Optics don't matter at all.
Nat-Soc LARPers need to go because they are stupid enough to try and revive a failed ideology from the 30's based around German Autism.

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I bet pic related is what all of you look like lmao

literally kys

>>137582464
Shhhh don't tell them. Let's see how it plays out.

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I'm racially Jewish (but an atheist). I'm right wing by most peoples' standards, but I'm not at-right. Do people like me are okay to live in white society according to you the alt-right? I don't believe that the alt-right will have any political power ever (I don't believe that even Bannon is alt-right), but I'm curious about what you think.

>>137578420
>Millenial Matt
He also took over Baked Alaska's stream after Baked got maced and he did a good job of calling out jews and alt-lighters and talking about the holohoax.

>>137582403
That's not true at all. Most white nationalists don't want the entire country to be an ethnostate. Just a portion of a state. Like a piece of the northwest or the midwest. Or even the north east. Somewhere that is scarcely inhabitanted. Don't think nazi germany. Think Indian Reservation

>>137566662
Pitch and Rag torches are a severe fire hazard

>>137566545
so the jews think that they can force Spencer and dividing his movement whatever.

>>137582608
>Nat-Soc LARPers need to go because they are stupid enough to try and revive a failed ideology from the 30's based around German Autism.

So what's the goal here? Civic nationalism? Like hell is that going to work. The NatSoc ideology is perfect for the white race and any respectful member of society (besides the gibsmedat part which should be replaced).

>>137582760
convert to Christianity and you're fine.
the problem the outright has with a Jews are mostly related to the talmudic interpretations that allow Jews to manipulate pretty much everything like cunts.

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Is it the estrogen in the food turning you people into cuckolds or all the Antifa shills?
>if you beat them, they win
>we need to bend over for more based niggers

>>137582786
You want white people to be stuck on reservations like the natives? Sounds like a shitty plan and future for whites desu. Even in those white safe spaces, do you think you can stop one non-white from getting in? A 100% pure ethno-state is a pipe dream at best

>>137566545
Your forgetting the reason why people hang out here in the first place.
Normal looking intellectuals dont type nigger cuck faggot kike 3500 times a day on some autistic board.

>>137582464
>there is no difference in their minds between Adolf Hitler, and a white guy

That's my point. If we don't have the flags we'll be called Nazis anyway. A Nazi is just a white guy who wants to further the interest of white people. CNN or MSM aren't pointing out the flaws in National Socialism. They see white people marching together and call them evil. If you have any group of white people, despite the flags they may or may not be carrying, they'll be labeled as Nazis.

I personally don't give a shit about National Socialism etc. because white people have bigger problems to face before we get into semantics about which form of government is best to use in a white country.

>>137582786
Call it "Black Self Determination" because really that's what it is. It's the same end goal BLM is pushing for. They want sovereignty. They aren't going to get it by taking over the US Gov, so allow them lands, and allow them to govern themselves.
White people have basically abandoned several major cities and given them to the Blacks. Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, and large sections of NY, Chicago, St. Louis, Atlanta etc.
So give them some cities and some land and say, "Here you go, Black America. Us Whites clearly cannot understand your unique needs and perspectives and thus we should not be governing you. You are free to do what you like with these Sovereign nations, and we encourage all Black people who don't like the way White America works to move to Black America and be free"

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Just quite the fuckn Nazi larping. Its litterally the worsed pertrail of a movement ever.

There are still old people who lived through nazi occupation, warveterans and its still the worst human conflict to date. Every child knows about the war and has been indoctrinated to soully hate 1 side. So stop the larping for fuck sake.

>>137582403
>You wish you were a CEO
>hurr durr you think you're a billionaire

You guys are the one fucking obsessed with money, and commies are basically neo-absolutists.

You wish you were secretary general of the communist party. Keep sucking up to the nomenklatura with your love of your daily minimum bread ratio. (But wanting more bread rations is just reactionary comrade.)

>>137566545
>KKK, Nazis and Confederate flag autists have to be banned
>he posts with a white supremacist flag

>>137566545
Oh look more divide and conquer drivel.

>>137566545
You're going to be called mean buzzwords, regardless of what you wear. Most of you are pretty feckless for getting triggered by the n word. You all must realize the goal of our enemies is to erase us by any means necessary. If Americans will signal against their own kind over a fucking confederate flag, then it's pretty clear they are all beyond saving.

>>137566545
Anything that jeopardized the 14 needs to be dropped, period
no ideology is going to matter if we lose and not around to enjoy it.
/pol/ 101. contain your powerlevel

and FFS stop engaging demoralize shills and start hitting back
they have had commie professors screaming white genocide in colleges for the last 10 years
They have no moral high ground

>>137583935
We wish to abolish money that takes the form of wages so that we can buy commodities necessary to live (look how housing/renting has gotten more expensive). Leftists are univeralists while right wingers are particularists who don't focus on the bigger picture of class relations.
>Keep sucking up to the nomenklatura with your love of your daily minimum bread ratio. (But wanting more bread rations is just reactionary comrade.)
Read the Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin. Every revolution needs food. Every socialist revolution has been starved by capitalists so that they can continue having their monopoly on capital. Also socialism is just about minimums wages, it is about the worker's owning their own labor free from (((landlords)))

>>137582937
The goal is to stop trying to create the perfect all encompassing society that maintains perfect national order and instead to allow people to live naturally as sovereign beings. If some white communities want to race mix and die out, fine, fuck them. We need a system that isn't based around catering to the Weak. The Strong will inevitably flourish in a free society, so political racialism is not necessary. If people still had freedom of association, race issues in America would be far better than they are now. Allow black only spaces, white only spaces, for those who want them and nature will sort itself out. The issue is the Social Engineers, the Idealists, the Hope and Change elites who just want to control you.

>>137566601
I hope you're being sarcastic.

That was terrible fucking optics.

>>137583307
My only point is that National Socialism, in isolation from everything else, is shit, and should be dropped for that reason alone.

>>137584612
Also socialism is more than just about minimums wages*
My high ass

>>137583505
There you go.

If the "WN" were smart they're basically be studying every day to master the rhetoric of black nationalism, asking why it is that blacks should be forced to suffer the presence of white teachers to teach them white history, of white cops to apply white laws to them, of white judges to determine their sentence, of white juries that don't understand their situation, etc. Every situation in which a white cop brutialized a black person wouldn't be used so as to start screaming "he didnt du nufin" but rather exhibited as a proof of the dysfunctional nature of a state of affair in which a minority group has to rely on a majority one for the dispensation of law and order.

>>137584612
>Leftists are univeralists

Retards. "The whole world is the same and underneath all particulars manifestation of human being it's just the same human amorphous paste that I just so happen to believe corresponds to what I am. I am the default human being and that's why I believe in universalism."

>we wish to abolish money

Oh I'm sure the distribution system that's gonna come out of that is gonna work just fine. There's won't be insane coordination problem at all. Without money and prices, it will only fall to the central committee to determine where millions of product go when and where, and for what exchange rates. No doubt this will work, and we won't end up with a situation in which thousands of tons of steel are sitting uselessly in some warehouse somewhere while there's a raw material shortage for building surplus housing in some city that don't need it because of the decree of the five year plan.

>class relations

Marx didn't define what a class was.

I'd like to know how the capitalist starve the revolution. Didn't the commie seize the means of production? Can't they produce their own bread? Oh, they need the capitalists to feed themselves? Wooow.

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>>137566545
chill out sperg
but yeah the kkk and neo nazis need to go they don't behave

People still arent understanding what is going on. The Alt-Right could have gone to the rally's dressed like investment bankers with American flags and they would be calling them nazis, fascists, racists, white supremacists and whatever else they dream up. I do agree showing the nazi flag and the confederate flag was a bad move because it gave the media lots of ammunition to screech.

You want to display a flag, show the original stars and stripes. The rest leave it a home even if you believe it. As for the chanting, leave the anti-Jew and anti-Black stuff at home as well. Same reason as the flags - it gives the left ammunition.

Of course we are racist, no shit. But so is everyone else. Realize the media wants to control the message at all costs. They want to make sure only THEIR MESSAGE is heard.

With that being said I do believe that no matter how the alt-right presents itself it will be demonized. You are never going to convince them of anything else because by whites organizing you are a threat to the people in charge. As it is, the media's control in the US is dramatically ebbing because of the internet. They arent going to give up their control without a fight.

>>137566545
CIA honeypot
Jesus fucking christ

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Why is Spencer against Alt-Right kikes? What's wrong with having Jews or conservative minorities on our team? During the election we had all sorts of Jews, Faggots and Mudslimes who were fed up with the Deep State/SJW faggotry. I'm not into some racist/homophobic trip.

The more I learn about this CIAFaggot, the more I don't like him. We need to be purging Marxists, not worry this Nazi shit.

>>137585625
>The whole world is the same and underneath all particulars manifestation of human being it's just the same human amorphous paste that I just so happen to believe corresponds to what I am. I am the default human being and that's why I believe in universalism."
What? The whole world is not the same. Class relations and commodity-form differ for each different class. Class relation is the base structure and the superstructure is religion, race, culture which aren't class relationships but they still play a part in how our capitalist society is run and divided (specialized if you want a nice word). Universalists look at how the base and superstructure relate to socioeconomic issues.
>Oh I'm sure the distribution system that's gonna come out of that is gonna work just fine. There's won't be insane coordination problem at all. Without money and prices, it will only fall to the central committee to determine where millions of product go when and where, and for what exchange rates.
And what we have now is efficient and the best thing possible? Hell no. Abolishing the commodity-form will get rid of the entire need for exchange rates. Your labor will be valued as is, there won't be a capitalist trying to exploit you to gain surplus value
>Marx didn't define what a class was.
He actually got his class theories from classical liberals.
https://mises.org/library/classical-liberal-roots-marxist-doctrine-classes
Also there is way more to Leftism than just Marx
>I'd like to know how the capitalist starve the revolution. Didn't the commie seize the means of production? Can't they produce their own bread? Oh, they need the capitalists to feed themselves? Wooow.
Embargos etc. The US has had a history with imperialist policies to stop legitimate socialist governments while also funding fascists like Pinochet

>>137586735
But why hold rallies at all? This is idiotic. Everyone agree that no amount of window dressing will hide what the true nature of this thing is, but then why insist on displaying it in this way, thereby confirming what everyone already suspects?

The priority of a movement such as this one, at present, should not be to hold rallies. It should be to develop the core elements of a movement, i.e. apt propagandist capable of manipulating a theory in order to present a new worldview to people.

"But this is too slow."

The alt-right is doomed by low IQ / low impulse control.

>>137581278
Good post

This whole thread is false flags and infighting. I don't even know what to do anymore.

>>137587086
Look here dumb shit: if class relations are the only differentiating factors between human being then you're admitting that all human are "au fond" the same, broadly speaking, which is the only way you can be a universalist.

>And what we have now is efficient and the best thing possible?

No. Sometimes the government intervenes and then it stops being efficient.

>Abolishing the commodity-form will get rid of the entire need for exchange rates.

Words. So given a non specific factor of production how should it be used for production?

>Your labor will be valued as is

What does that even mean? If there's no money what does it even mean that my labor is "valued"? I'm not even gonna be paid.

>He actually got his class theories from classical liberals.

I know all about this shit friendo, but while Marx accepted the idea of class from the classical liberals, he didn't accept their theory of it. The true theory he plagiarized was that of a German aristocrat commissioned to write a report on the socialist phenomenon in France.

The liberal theory of class struggle is that unproductive elements of society (you) use the state (the organ of the systematized use of force in society) in order to forcibly transfer wealth from the the productive elements to themselves. It's not a theory of exploitation taking place in the context of freely contracted economic relations.

>Embargos etc

Oh so trade is essential now?

Socialist: "Trade and commodity exchange is evil."
Also socialist: "Oh shit I need trade a commodity exchange what the fuck."

You want to abolish money and THEN you want to trade? Genius.

>>137582120
No idiot it's just a lack of cleverness on your part to transpose your trash ideology into something that the masses can swallow (thereby granting you political agency). Most of America looks at your rallies and sees a bunch of worthless Nazi larpers. They don't care about the fine points because a Nazi is a NAZI - it's just about the most accessible characterization of what it means to be the "bad guy". In fact, I would argue that the stereotypical Nazi is, in fact, the most pure distillation of the average concept of "bad guy".

You're just too big of a fucking moron to realize this and have absolutely no class or self awareness.

>>137587086
The German aristocrat in question is Loren von Stein. His analysis of history in term of an economic process is much closer to Marx's view of history in terms of economically determined class struggle than the classical liberal view of class struggle not as "the" driver of "a" historical process but rather as a way to understand the role of the state as a coordinator of systematized plunder.

In this sense, the classical liberal theory of spoliation is similar to its modern formulation in the language of the rent seeking theory.

>>137568342
>>137573697 #
No one wants to see a fat faggot talking down to them about better genes and being the better race when clearly you look like a fat beta faggot.


You guys need to work on your face. Get some actual fucking cut, sexually arousing Aryans that would make people start believing your actually the master race, no man is going to listen to someone they don't respect and women won't respect anyone they wouldn't fuck

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>>137588310
>No. Sometimes the government intervenes and then it stops being efficient.
Funny how the state always need to intervene in capitalism when there is a crisis. See Keynes
>If there's no money what does it even mean that my labor is "valued"? I'm not even gonna be paid.
Money is just a middle man, whether it be labor vouchers or direct payment of needs there will always be something regulate buying and exchanging. It takes the place of commodity form and value
>The liberal theory of class struggle is that unproductive elements of society (you) use the state (the organ of the systematized use of force in society) in order to forcibly transfer wealth from the the productive elements to themselves.
"Socialism is when the government does stuff"
>Oh so trade is essential now?
Trade is not essential but once your country is bombed by imperialists no wonder people have some trouble getting food. We want to abolish money THEN later on abolish trade in the name of profit. Mutual aid and struggle is necessary for nations to survive.

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I'm not actually all that familiar with Richard Spencer and his movement desu, but I have noticed that he's got a strangely shaped head. It's sort of like an egg shape. Is that because of his fashy haircut/hairstyle or is it actually a mental/physical deformity?

>>137590416
>Funny how the state always need to intervene in capitalism when there is a crisis. See Keynes

The state never *needs* to intervene but does because the state ends up being used in the service of some particular interests or because people like you who want it to intervene.

>whether it be labor vouchers or direct payment of needs there will always be something regulate buying and exchanging

So you want to abolish money but then reintroduce it in other form thereby not abolishing it? Or you want to abolish money only to pay workers in kind, thereby making communism about taking freedom away from people to buy what they want instead of what you think they "need"?

>Mutual aid
>nations in mutual aid

hahahahahahahaha

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We are the vehicle that drives the future. We WILL be in control of the next generation of politics and social spheres. I have no doubt many of you have started to look at careers and opportunities where you'll have greater influence on society. We need to become the next generation of teachers, media, and politics. Infiltrate, learn their ways, subvert them any way you can. Expose their lies. Train hard, and educate yourself and others. Gen Z is waking up, they just need to be steered into the right direction. We are hidden in the shadows for now, but not for long. Our movement grows, and it will keep growing. Whether or not Spencer is a CIAnigger, he is a means to an end, the moment he becomes useless or betrays us, we cut him loose. Our movement is bigger than any man.
We rise.

I think the guy I'm dating is secretly one of you.

I'm a socdem.


How do I find out? If he's hidden it from me so far, like... he's not going to just come out and admit it if I ask, right?

>>137582760
Rope. Or go home. It's not about ideology, is about race. Anyone pretending to be something that they're not should be public murdered.

>>137567234
You run into legal shit when you drip burning fuel across public property, tiki torches may not be as aesthetic, but are good for stuff like this.

>>137566654
That's not really very many people

>>137591759
Tits or gtfo

>>137576409
Not going to dress it up, the torches were unimpressive. They were literal garden variety tiki torches used to keep bugs away.

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>>137590751
Dicky Spence grabbed my ass at a Pitbull concert. When I rejected his advances, he moved on and came on to the group of Mexican guys to my right. They all went to the washroom together laughing. Spencer said he would buy the guys some beers if they were thirsty.

>>137566654
Looks like a fucking deplorable clan rally to any normal person. You guys really live in a bubble here don't you?

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>>137592688
Checked

>>137566545
The solution is fucking obvious.

What we need is a new ideology. A new one that emphasizes not race or intolerance (unless crypticly) but UNITY. As long as we're embracing the KKK and the Nazis we're going to be vilified by the press and the media. The truth is that we're going to have to disguise it as something else.

For example, we could emphasize "American Culture" rather than "White Pride" and frankly we need to denounce that CIA plant Spencer fucker. He's bad news, he's not helping, he's a label that they can attach to our cause.

If we get based black men to our cause, then all the better. The problem isn't all black people or all muslims, it's the ones getting in our country reeking havok. Even if for some reason the movement disavows them later having them present in the short term allows us to project an image of UNITY rather than HATE.

Crack open the books folks. Read Starship Troopers, read the Unibomber manifesto, let's get a revolutionary ideology that we can get behind.

>Personally I don't buy into racial supremacy rather than nationalism but whatever.

>>137593054
Still not as deplorable as what your boss likes to do to preteen assholes, Shariablue

>>137593714
>A new one that emphasizes not race or intolerance

Lmao go back to plebbit

>>137591020
>the state ends up being used in the service of some particular interests or because people like you who want it to intervene.
Just like capital is used by particular interests and those same people who control most of the capital can control the state and bend the rules to their favor. It's like socialism limits the amount of capital people can have so this monopolization wouldn't occur.
>So you want to abolish money but then reintroduce it in other form thereby not abolishing it? Or you want to abolish money only to pay workers in kind, thereby making communism about taking freedom away from people to buy what they want instead of what you think they "need"?
Slowly phasing it out is better than straight up abolishing it but one of the goals of communism is to eventually phase out wage labor and fiat currency
>thereby making communism about taking freedom away from people to buy what they want instead of what you think they "need"?
You can buy 100 different types of toilet paper but you only need one. Plus the fact that all those brands are owned by 2 companies

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>>137566545
learn from these
they are actually no larping nazis though
first off they behave, but they do hit back if idiots attacks them, there have been fatalities

sometimes they have a strict clothing code too, pic related. But we often see them in ordinary clothes as well, usually clothes for the woods/fishing(ofc)

When they strike back, it is only directly self defense, and then they are deadly serious and will gladly take the prisontime and they don't get exicted about it at all they are calm all the way while the cucks sperge out.

By that I mean when they have taken the attack down, they go back to what they were doing in an orderly fashion. I unfortunately lost my text file with their videos all I have are images. Order! Discipline! Calm! All the way

>>137594148
We're gonna fucking fail otherwise. Ideological sacrifices must be made IN THE SHORT TERM.

Otherwise you can be grouped in with the KKK in the dustbin of history.

>>137593714
>american culture

you know very well what happens if you try to argue it.
Westerners are not entitled to claim cultural heritage as unique and indigenous. Especially you US boys. Nation of immigrants and blabla

>>137594148
And to add onto that, Italian Fascists weren't even racist in the first place, they became racist later. Italian fascism was based on CULTURAL supremacy. If you spoke Italian, you were Italian. It's that simple.

This is 4D Chess, don't you get it?

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See no point, not triggered because it is not a physical assault.

They both workout, do combat training and have legal weapons on them like steelshit in the gloves. They have lit thought of everything and they hit to kill, so again lit deadly serious, but only when they are physically attacked. They follow the law to the dot when it comes too what is legal and counts as self defense so it holds up in court.

>>137594565
That's they KEY. If we use that as a selling point it doesn't matter if it's true or not that we adopted our culture or whatever.

That alone will gather us widespread support, don't you see?

If you appeal to the wider audience, you will garner votes. You have to appeal to the mainstream. Fascist Italy was anti-conservative to begin with, then did a heel face turn when they got into power and embraced them.

By appearing Radical, we will be Radical. We need to embrace views that are APPEALING to the normies to get our way.

American Culture as an ideology will work. You can't argue against being American. Or Western for that matter. Everyone values that, even Sharia-Blue values being Western.

>>137570254
Your fucking ruining shit for everyone. Fly an amercan flag at least, not some tratourous foreign flag

>>137594761
I think this is what D'Amigo's trying to do, but he has the purist element showing up dressed like extras from American History X whenever one of these things kicks off.

The 88 shit needs to go. They're spergs.

>>137594565
we have no problem with that here
we don't got any of this "white guilt", why should we? The concept does not even exist here

for something we did 800 years ago?
you all need to snap out of this madness

>>137595603
>we don't got any of this "white guilt", why should we? The concept does not even exist here
Then explain Oslo

>>137566545
>We could be 500 normal guys like the Torch rally

lol lol lol

You fags really think everyone in america saw the torch rally guys as "normal?"

Everyone who has been to high school knows exactly what kind of dorks they are - and you are.

fucking clueless, the lot of you

>>137594437
I've noticed those nordic uniforms are not effective either, it looks like an elitist club and you need to put in too much work to join them as an outsider

We ironically got the dressing code PERFECT on this event. It's not sloppy/all over the place and it's not elitist like that. It's the perfect middle ground.

Also I'm personally against shields. I know antifa throws a lot of shit (literally) but we should look like normal people instead of soldiers. The most effective marches in history (think the baltic hand holding thing) were all regular folks.

WOW good on OP for only replying to the dumbshit posts and nothing serious
This shit going on is pure idol worship, as if it wasn't bought and paid for by jews and carried out by shills
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>>137566545
Boston free speech rally august 19th

>>137595783
One of the best things we took from the KKK

lmao

>>137595896
>Idol worship
>Am literally criticizing Spencer in the OP

Nice try shill

>>137595912
Thank you for posting this MAGApede

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August 27th The Battle of berkeley part 4.
Anti-marxism rally's

>>137596049
and yesterday you were, you never even criticized him, you said you might criticize him, fuck off shill lord
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>>137596236
Which one has potential?

I think we need to get more provocative with the titles.

This "Free speech" shit doesn't cut it anymore. It feels underwhelming. We need something more powerful.

>>137596348
t. Moartears

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>>137595489
yeah as I see it too, they are trying to accomplish this - the extreme violence(though legal) part, as stated they do hit to kill, it's not a meme

As I understand too, they weed out people here and organize how they march on their you also have to be at least either 1,85 or 1,90 or something like this to march in the front there. I don't remember but I've read though their manuals

The others often come after them when they march and they don't let anyone in there. If everyone is welcome or not I dunno but they would have just through out larpers in their midst those 1488 guys with german reich flags and so, as they ofc most likely are imposers and/or instigators

Except for a bunch from their youth party tried to attack a gayparade a few weeks ago and attacked the cops. I can't say I have even heard of them misbehaving at all and they have been active for a few years no.

When normies come and scream damn nazi etc at them, they are infact actually polite back. But as stated when scum like antifa and hippies hit them, then the attacker ends up on the ground or at the morgue

>>137584314
It's not divide and conquer, it's a serious discussion about how the movement recovers from the disaster of Charlottesville and doesn't make the same mistakes.

>>137596084
>only wants people to go to his rallies
>>137596381
is it weird that it seems like no one else takes
your side, and you're the only one replying?
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>>137595685
you should go and see here, people in there don't take shit. If the shitskins the (((politicians))) have against the peoples will sat there ie insults or attack people it's a shitfest beyond proportions very fast..... they don't stand idle by, not even the cucks in that shithole

So they (((immigrants)))/(((illegals))) in there know they have to act nice

>>137596404
>disaster of Charlottesville
literally nothing happened, only what the media is going to do regardless, hate us, it's like you're watching fake news
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>>137596404
This. Why don't we call our rallies.. just "Alt Right Rallies"?

We'd get 10x the attention than calling them free speech rallies.

>>137596559
I think you have a crush on me

I appreciate your efforts to bump our generals with your high energy.

>>137566601
>a bunch of beta looking males screaming holding tiki torches LARPing as the KKK looks great

>>137596878
>Implying it's not 10x scarier when they look like normal people

No one ever attempted this. I wish all the media focused on the torch rally exclusively.

(((REBEL MEDIA)))) kikes are trying to subvert us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghjWuABVgwU

Not a drill

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>>137568342
NOOOO NOT PERFECTLY ACTING THE EXACT DICTATES OF MEIN KAMPF MAKES YOU A SHILLL!!!!

>>137566545
The right has to appear cutting edge. I know that sounds like a ridiculous contradiction, but its the truth.

The reason the "red pill" caught on so hard is because it evoked waking up from a dream and into reality. The redpilled person sees a dark future normies can't. It created a sense of being a vanguard and attracted smart people who usually get brainwashed into progressivism. This was the energy NRX captured before the Alt Right swamped it. And it isn't that hard, because "The Matrix" is a perfect metaphor for the world of propaganda normies live in.

If you recruit a real elite, the normies will eventually follow. If you recruit a bunch of hicks, the normies will be repulsed. Its that simple. The old school white right needs to be reimagined as unfortunate victims of modernity. Think about it: does the progressive left actually let its niggers do any serious talking? Its always white intellectuals covering them up, when you actually talk to black people you find the most unprogressive people imaginable. "Uniting the Right" is total foolishness; the Right will either win through elitism or it won't win at all.

A good way to think of it is: we are trying to recruit "early adopters". We think we have a product that meets the needs of a lot of people who feel disillusioned with modernity. But we're not the only guys on the market. The progressive brainwash factory has a huge market share, actually, and it convinces young elites that the troubles they feel are actually a result of the world not being progressive ENOUGH. Yes, it's crazy they think this, but they do. We have to reach these people, and we're not going to manage that doing shit like Cville.

I know the obvious criticism, which is that we really don't have time for this shit, as the situation is dire. Well, its dire because odds of victory are low whether we go elitist or populist. I think the former has much better odds, because the entire State structure is baiting us to do the latter.

>>137567926
I want the swastika shit gone because I actually want to succeed, not fulfill some autistic fantasy at any cost. We gotta drop the nazi stuff

>>137597324
just bumped your bred

>>137579497
>If I see Nazi flags or salutes at another rally I will drop my support of the Alt-Right and find something else.

Might wanna start looking now because the Nazi stuff isn't going away. I predict there will be even more Nazi flags at the next rally. Not necessarily organically either.

Charlottesville was such bad PR that IMO it's the nail in the coffin the alt-right (when it comes to public image)

I'm not sure the media can be defeated in the age of information. Good luck guys

>>137566545
Fuck off. No matter what you do, you're going to be called KKK, confederate (seriously nigger? You hate dixies?) and a nazi

>>137597127
can verify it's kikes subverting and running a controlled op

>>137597924
>no matter what you do you're going to be called a nazi
>so be a nazi
>as though being nazis is the end goal

Have you considered that aside from bad optics, white nationalism just isn't a nazi movement? Honestly I don't even care about optics, I'm not a nazi nor will I ever be; yet I still wish to preserve white heritage. Your nazi larping will be the downfall of white nationalism in America just like it was for German nationalism in Germany.

>>137597867
>I predict there will be even more Nazi flags at the next rally.

Spencer better do something about this ASAP. This is the point of this thread. I must emphasize the importance of starting a 100% fresh, all white movement. We can take the good elements from the old movements and identify where they failed so we don't repeat their mistakes.

>>137597924
You're either low iq or a subversive agent if you think we're not giving the enemies ammo by whipping out KKK, dixie and nazi flags. WE DONT NEED FLAGS AT ALL, to make our point.

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>>137566545
"Alt-right" is and always has been controlled opposition, a label that that the jews try to stick to us so that way they can have BASED BLACK DICK-SUCKER MILO and other such degenerates be accepted, and then before you know it you're no different from the trans-queer marxist left. It's a tactic to break down white identity. Because after all, if they make it seem like the champions of the white races are homosexuals, what future do we have after all? Might as well destroy your family line by breeding with other races, right goy?

And besides, the rally where everyone was carrying torches and shit was 40% cia niggers, I guarantee it.

>>137598387
>but the flags make me feel so cool!!!

>>137597390
We do have some advantages though, which is that most young progressive people are frankly miserable. Even after they drink the kool-aid, they know something is wrong, they just don't have any of the tools available to express what it is. That's why a masculine figure like Jordan Peterson is able to resonate so well. Unfortunately, Professor Peterson considers himself a "Classical Liberal" or a "Centrist", which is a whole other discussion, but we can learn from his example.

Even the dumbass feminists, secretly, want white masculinity to be revived. The problem is that everything is pushing white males towards despair and rage, at which point they wind up coming off as incoherent nazis. This has to be resisted. The pose the young white male needs to strike is that of an elite. He needs to be fit, competent, intelligent and have just the suggestion of danger about him. This requires an enormous amount of work, and its hard to do all that work given how little the world as it currently is will credit you for it. But we need people to do it anyways, and we need to have a message that recruits such people away from progressive propaganda.

The worst thing to do is feed the progressive machine a bunch of nazis and confederates. Thats red meat. It knows the scent, it remembers its defeated enemies, and its trying to desperately convince its young recruits that yes, they TOO can go on a crusade against the evil right wing empires. You see how its revving up now? Thats what you want to avoid, because its much stronger than you when it wants to be. But the right wing intellectual elite, it doesnt recognize, or understand. At the very least you deny it the fuel it needs to live by following the reactionary course. Whether we have time to implement this, admittedly, I don't know, but I know a dead strategy when I see one and protests/rallies are a dead strategy

Numbers > Flags

YOU represent the movement with your appearance. People look up to other people, not symbolism. This is why flags are not a big deal. We could carry 0 flags and still be the most relevant movement in America.

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>yes goy, go out and act like antifa. that will help sway moderates to you.

>>137593714
We already have our ideology. It's called being an American. Fly American flags, call the commies unamerican.

>>137584781
That was core America, man. These are your neighbors, your sons, the future of the country. The guy you wouldn't be scared to walk down a dark alley toward.
Probably most people aren't being shown these flattering shots in the MSM, though.

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>>137581278
Fantastic Post.

Everyone should read this.

>>137598960
>Let me mention 10 irrelevant generals so I can include the one I'm trying to subvert and pass my agenda

You tried the same with Spencer memes and failed. Leftypol will never learn.

>>137599395
American flags are useless.

>>137598387
>We can take the good elements from the old movements and identify where they failed so we don't repeat their mistakes.

I think all roads lead to Nazi-ism, when the media exists. If you're proud to be white you will never shed an association with skinheads and, eventually, Nazis.

The idea of white pride being a negative thing has been so ingrained into Americans by the media that I don't think it can be undone.

>>137588054
Stop reading /pol/ threads. Watch someone smart, instead:

(Reactionary Expat - he pretty much approves of C'ville. But he's got other smart things to say)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdYPbokMvlY

Another one I liked was Greg Johnson with Millennial Woes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O66W9oPLFQ

>>137600170
They got Trump elected and many Mexicans removed from the country.

>>137600431
>Watch someone smart, instead
that's the principle of the eceleb shitshow, you just need to research and form opinions, also it's quite easy to spot the average shill (i.e. OP)
sage

>>137566545
>pass user since 2017
Go away shill-fag.