Non-Greeks BTFO

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>>135938069

How varg shitkernes and his fags can recover from this?

btfo nordcucks

>>135938389
Don't get me wrong, moder Greece sucks compared to our ancestors. I just posted this because it proves to niggers, Turks and nordicucks that were aren't mixed with turks or slavs as they claim. We are direct descendants of the people who started western civilization.

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>>135938686
Doesn't matter.You are the same people you were back then.


I just like to make nordcucks mad because of all this we wuz

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It actually seems like modern Greeks have more north/steppe/siberian ancestry than those Myceneans which is probably the exact opposite of what albino wewuzers thought. In PCAs they actually overlap Sicilians and Ashkenazis.

>>135938981
My man! You better reveal that flag I wanna see where you're from.

>>135938069
Greeks and Armenians have had genetic continuity for a long ass time. I think Armenians have had it for some 3 thousand years, I cant remember. I wouldn't be surprised if Greeks were similar.

The turkish rape babe myth is prevalent only in turkey, where in the majority of the population is a bastard mix of Greeks and Armenians with mongols.

Numbers of truth senpai.

>>135939156
but yeah looking at the Crete_Armenoi sample I'd say Greeks are likely the same as Iron age ones i.e post bronze age collapse
perhaps later Dorians added the additional north/steppe/siberian ancestry present in modern Greeks, all these samples are pre bronze age collapse after all

>>135939289
Finally an American who speaks the truth. Most Americans here think that South Europeans are 50% nigger

>>135938069
>tfw Neapolitan ancestors had a Hellenic surname and were from a Greek-founded city

Makes me feel better about having guinea blood desu

>>135938069

It just means that the Greeks aren't true Aryans by descent and they got language cucked by Nordic looking Indo-European conquerors.

I suspect that was the key to ancient Greek success. Greeks aren't deficient in intelligence, they're deficient in discipline and organization and northern conquerors could provide that as long as they remained masters. Over time the Aryans mixed with the locals and the order that the masters provided was lost.

>>135939546
Whats the relationship between Greece and Armenia? Yall cool?

>>135939350
I'd like to see samples from the classical age too
However Davidski literally expected Myceneans to be Slavs lol

>>135939683
This is exactly what happened in Sparta. Modern greeks are descendants of the Pelasgians. The afro-asiatic people who was indigenous to Greece before the dorian-achaen invasions.

>>135939683
Sounds more like India than Greece

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>>135939683
No

It just means Western civilization was built by olive skin people and not by the nordniggers.It's really funny who varg claims that Greeks were blonde.

>>135939289
ever wonder why the Armenian holocaust goes unrecognized? because they are the true white jews before the abrahamic corruption

>>135939952
Olive skin people who created democracy, pederasty, usury, mass slavery, sophistry, etc. When is this greek meme going to stop? They created nothing but degeneracy.

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And daily reminder that Greeks considered the Nords as filthy fat barbarians because of their pale skin and blonde hair

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>>135939683
oh right nordic looking like the PIE from Yamnaya culture...
oh wait they were swarthier than modern south Euros...damn DNA...

shouldn't you be orderly overdosing by now?

>>135940054
I know the Jews genocided the Armenians, which would make sense.

I've been fascinated with Armenian history. They're the only people in that region with R1b, an old as fuck r1b branch at that, an amazing history and crafty people.

Their language is its own separate indo-euro branch. Really close to ancient egypt. They built gobekli tepe.

My neighbors are Armenian, which is where the interest (and bias) comes from. Very nice people who always bring food when they make delicious bbq!

Anyway, tell me more about what you know!

>>135939773
Yep very close culture and same religion. Were cool they're considered our brothers

>>135940120
Wait are you talking about Greeks when you say we created only degeneracy? You realize that we are also olive skinned right? Im 100% Greek from all sides and Im olive skinned with dark hair and eyes. Just like the ancient greeks

>>135939350
The additional ancestry came from the non-Anatolian, non-Cretan Greek mainland. All Ancient Greek sources refer to the mainlanders as Pelesgians. Cretans and Anatolians were not Pelesgians. I'm sure they were probably related to an extent though. I do think that Greeks had already mingled with the Pelesgians on the mainland prior to the Bronze Age collapse. Post-collapse they were probably joined by an influx of Luwian-speakers and Hittites. Possibly the elusive Sardinians who built those mysterious towers and other so-called Sea Peoples as well as some migrating semites.

>>135940702
Yes I am talking about you pelasgian.

I am Greek.

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Guys, in all honesty, are Jews our cousins?

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>>135938069
It says no such thing you cunt

https://popular-archaeology.com/issue/summer-2017/article/ancient-dna-reveals-minoan-and-mycenaean-origins

A passion for history inspired Stamatoyannopoulos to initiate this project: "For over 100 years, many hotly contested theories have circulated concerning the origin of the inhabitants of Bronze Age, Classical, and modern Greece, including the so-called 'Coming of the Greeks' in the late second millennium, the 'Black Athena' hypothesis of the Afroasiatic origins of Classical Greek civilization, and the notorious theory of the 19th century German historian Fallmerayer, who popularized the belief that the descendants of the ancient Greeks had vanished in early Medieval times."

While the new study does not resolve all the outstanding questions, it provides key answers. Importantly, the findings disprove the widely held theory that the Mycenaeans were a foreign population in the Aegean and were not related to the Minoans.

While they are not identical to the Bronze Age populations, modern Greeks are genetically closely related to the Mycenaeans. Modern Greeks show some additional admixture with other groups and a corresponding decrease in heritage from the Neolithic Anatolians. This suggests that there has been a large degree of population continuity in Greece, but it has not been isolated.

>While they are not identical to the Bronze Age populations

and some additional admixture later. The Greeks have always been a 'work in progress' in which layers of migration through the ages added to, but did not erase the genetic heritage of the Bronze Age populations," stated Iosif Lazaridis of Harvard Medical School, a lead author of the study.

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>>135940181
>>135939156
>>135939350
Greco-Italic ALLIANCE WHEN

loling at the captcha

>>135940941
And whats your point? Dude , we're both Meds and we're fighting with each other? I have huge respect for the Portuguese history and culture whats your problem with the Greeks? And no Im not pelasgian. Me and my people are descendants of men like Plato, Aristotle, Alexander and Leonidas.

>>135940373
please check out the legend of hayk and bel nimrod it will blow your mind lol

>>135941171
How does it say no such thing? It claims that we are related to the Myceneans which is exactly what I typed in my post?

>>135941217
link me everything you got brotha.

i now hayk is a modernized version of the story. Armenians are so much older. They the successors of the Mittani kingdom.

>>135941131
If you think that Hila looks Greek you must be blind

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>>135941171
>It says no such thing you cunt
>Article literally claims modern Greeks are genetically closely related to the Mycenaeans

Are those painting bronze too?

kys you pathetic slug

>>135939801
Myceneans were in Greece proper for a long ass time, mixing with Pelasgians and Minoans. Literal millennia before starting to form an advanced civilization. So it makes sense that their Indo-Euro DNA from the Bronze Age isn't that high.

Dorians on the other hand were in Epirus at the time and most likely were much more purely Indo-European. So, the Dorian invasion must have had a bigger impact on the population than all subsequent migrations, and it's probably what added most of R1b. Explains the genetic structure of Crete too. The primarily Minoan east has darker pigmentation, while western Crete, mainly Dorian, is among the lightest-skinned places in Greece.

I'm just not convinced that the R1a we currently have comes primarily from Iran. I think Slavs made some detectable impact on the genepool.

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>>135941520
It also says you have taken successive waves of immigrant into your gene pool. No one says you're not related to the ancients. They just call you mongrels.

>>135941688
pic related you shitskin cherry picker.

pay your debts,grooks

interesting as well that 5 out of 5 of the males were J2a

>>135941131
Jews are actually white. They've been in Europe for many THOUSANDS of years

>>135938686
You should probably stop insinuating that your neighbors are turk roach babies then. That whole region needs to collectively clench their assholes for a moment and realize they are the same group of peasant enslaved by Turkroaches regardless of national identity.

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>>135941814
>pic related
>proving Ancient Greeks had dark eyes and dark

Thanks for proving my point you shitskin mexican scrub

>>135941131
They actually are. Both Greeks and Jews have a strong Levantine ancestral component. Cypriots are basically closer to ancient Jews than modern Jews. And when I look at Alpinized Jews, it's like I'm looking at a mainlander Greek.

That said, Hila doesn't really have the look. Even for a Cypriot, she'd be a tad too exotic.

>>135939860
>Pelsags
>Afro-asiatic

lol what. Pelsagians were one of the original Indo European tribes defined as "Aryan".

>>135942103
Enslaved by turk roaches after defending Europe for 1000 years by stopping countless Arab invasions as the Byzantine Empire? Ill take it.

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>>135941688
>Are those painting bronze too?

What "paintings?" Brinkmanns recreations? Yes those specific ones are paintings of statues which re recreating the bronze originals.

>>135942147
Nice photoshop straw man. The statues on the Parthenon, Roman statues, and Alexander the great's sarcophagus are white as fuck.

>>135938069
>modern Greeks
You mean the Turkish rape babies?

>>135942147
He's an obvious american 500 kg troll who boasts about his superiority despite being a virgin and living in his moms basement at 30

>>135942465
Turkish people are Greek rape babies raped by actual Turks.

>>135942270
See that's the problem right there. I didn't insinuate you fucks didn't fight. You all did, but you all seem to forget that simple clear fact.

If Greeks, Bulgars, Mecedons, Shqeeps, And the Slavics basically put their petty differences aside for one fucking moment you idiots could come to terms with the fact you have more in common to build and more in common to hate the Turks and other faggots fucking with your shit.

Instead you guys just bitch and moan at eachother 24/7 all while doing the same shit like spending all day at coffee shops smoking and sipping on one beer and then going home to have your mothers make lamb. And I mean all of you as in the Balkans.

>thread going pretty well until americans decide to fuck it up

>>135942267
Pelasgians isn't just one group. It refers to all mainland pre-Greek ethne (ie. everything non-Minoan and otherwise Aegean). Levantines were among them, but a case is also made for Kartvelians or some related group.

Jason's mother from the Argonauts (one of the oldest Greek tales) is said to be Pelasgian, and a good part of the story has to do with visiting Colchis (ancient Georgia), which they don't seem to have issues communicating with.

>>135942464
From that pic the ones that arent roman look very similar to modern Greeks. What's your point? Some of us are olive some of us pale as fuck. Theres even blonde Greeks. Also you have to realize that ancient Greeks and Romans are completely different races

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>>135942464

Why are you still proving my point?Even in the pics you posted,statues have dark hair and dark eyes

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>>135942502
...says the shitskin rape baby.

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>If you take a glass of milk and dunk 5 ham sized turds in there - you can still detect some milk!

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>>135938069
It's been known now for over a decade, they deciphered linear b minoan using Greek.
>>135942103
Modern roaches are running around with at least 25% central and east asian dna, Greeks have a fraction of an amount, less so than almost all other Euros.

>>135942743
From my understanding of history of the Balkans and the Indo Euro migrations, the Pelsags were a conglomerate of peoples that formed that tribal identity as "Pelsag" which then splintered off into Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, Macedonians and the likes.

>>135942693
Ignore them. Obvious trolls trying to show their superiority at 500 kgs.

>>135942790
Most are blonde to some degree. That's just the base coat. You paint a dark base coat and lighten it up for the desired effect. Not saying they weren't dark haired. I''m just saying they were whiter than they were today.

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>>135942840
Try harder.

>>135942465
that's literally one of the myths that is debunked by this paper

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>>135939683
You realize racially "white" people made up like 15% max of Greece proper right? And you realize these tribes were said by historians (from the time where these people actually existed) to be barbaric people in comparison to non-'Aryan' groups... right? Athens in the classical age was entirely descendant of pre-Dorian people as were the Ionians, Acheans, and Aeolians.

>>135941814
t. triggered cuck
>It also says you have taken successive waves of immigrant into your gene pool.
>They just call you mongrels.
Pre-historic and Aryan invasions make you a mongrel? So wouldn't that make Greeks in 500BC mongrels? I fail to see your logic? Love the mental gymnastics, I'm happy this study came out so you can get even more triggered.

Enjoy your mudhut history amerifat, just remember you will never be Greek :-)

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>>135942840
Kys faggot

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>>135943035
Yup, look at all the blond hair in the Minoan fresco

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pigmentation prediction using irisplex

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>>135943035
No they weren't

Their skin tone was and is darker during the summer because of the sun.It's called tan.

>>135943055
>1 statue out of the multiple white ones

Hey why didn't you post that nigger lyre girl from one of my pics? I include those to show that dark skins were a minority. That guy is included in my Greeks pic i posted earlier.

>>135939265
Greek diaspora who left greece for economic gain probably. Wouldnt get too excited spyros

>>135943035
>I'm just saying they were whiter than they were today
What do you mean by 'whiter'? The ancient Greek samples cluster to the south of Modern Greeks. That would make them 'less white' to you, since they are further away from the people that you consider white.

>>135943336
*sees flag*


AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

>>135939683
desu from what I know, greeks were not very disciplined. that doesn't mean they weren't extremely brave, strong, creative, etc. they just did not allow themselves to be confined into boxes. discipline is a supression of emotions/action, which from what I know, the greeks did not do. they were pretty expressive.

Is E-V13 Greek?

>>135943504
Are not were. We still exist ya know

>>135943303
> show that dark skins were a minority.

Lol no.Majority was dark skinned.Thats why Greeks consider the Nords as barbarians because of their pale skin and blonde hair

pic related
>>135940146

Greeks and Italians will do anything to prove they're still relevant.

Two thousand years have passed, and you are not your ancestors. Your countries are not as good as the nordic ones, and that's a fact.

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>>135943649
I see the damage control has already began

>>135943649
When the nordics discovered fire we built the Parthenon. And no, nordicucks are not better. Sweden is like 50% muslim AHHAHAAHHA

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>>135943649
Atleast they are not cucks and arab rapebabies like you

>>135943649
Thank you for your contribution to this thread, Don Juan De Shawn. Go be you somewhere else.

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>>135943303
>>1 statue out of the multiple white ones
You're making the argument that Greece was a homogeneous society in 300BC

You are severely retarded.

>>135943649
No everybody in Italy and Greece agrees on that. Thread topic is basically just btfoing nordicist arguments. Stop strawmanning.

>>135943489
Meme flags are all diaspora posters

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>>135943175
Grainy as fuck. Probably slaves or tanned workers.

>>135943203
High class white Minoan woman being served by dark skinned slaves/servants.

Wow really makes me think.

>>135943262
White people.

>>135943347
Can you prove that? South of Greece were north African settlements of ancient Mediterraneans. Modern meds are more mixed with he black Africans, steppe niggers, and Arabs that have migrated in over the years.

>>135940146
Which tribe of northerners is he referring to?

>>135943571
Yes the underclasses are often the majority.

>>135943875
>High class white Minoan woman being served by dark skinned slaves/servants.
>Wow really makes me think.
No one can be this retarded. Moron, it's a priestess, stuck in a temple and not out in the sun, go kys.

How Greek are modern Turks?
How is the Greek invasion of Smyrna viewed in both countries?
Had Greece a realistic shot at reclaiming some territories?
How many shqitards are in greece?

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> Here we show that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically similar, having at least three-quarters of their ancestry from the first Neolithic farmers of western Anatolia and the Aegean [1, 2],

We already knew that the EEF (Early European Farmers) were going to be a majority in the early peoples, these guys are Haplogroup G

>and most of the remainder from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus [3] and Iran [4, 5].

CAUCASUS AND IRAN

> However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia [6, 7, 8], introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe [1, 6, 9] or Armenia [4, 9]
Mycenaeans have Eurasian steppe admixture.

>>135943875
>Can you prove that?
>>135939156
Yes
>>135943216
Also stop posting blonde people, it's stupid if you consult the table above

They were white.

But they weren't Nordic

Holy shit calm down everyone

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>>135943564
desu I don't know much about modern greece. maybe you guys still are, it's just a shame because I read how beautiful things were there, how cultured and now I see it as a shit hole today.

desu I have a lot of respect for your past. what happened?

>>135943875
What the fuck do you mean by "white people"? Nobody is saying that Greeks werent white, were saying that they were meds with tan skin and dark hair/eyes. That doesn't make them non white.

>>135941131
she isnt bad looking desu

>>135943865
>You're making the argument that Greece was a homogeneous society in 300BC

No, i'm saying whites ruled over shitskin monkey people. Just as they do today. You even see this dichotomy in Asia. High class Asians refuse to get tans. Tans are for low class field workers and low IQs.

look here
>>135941171
>The Greeks have always been a 'work in progress' in which layers of migration through the ages added to, but did not erase the genetic heritage of the Bronze Age populations," stated Iosif Lazaridis of Harvard Medical School, a lead author of the study.

>>135943984
So the rest are just tanned whites?

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>>135943875

You must some kind of special retard aren't you?

It's called tan you mongoloid idiot.Everyone in Greece has it.Noble or not,poor or rich,king or slave,blonde or brunette

What about us Ruthenian/Ukrainian Greeks?

>>135944000
>How Greek are modern Turks?
a good %, but they have straighter hair and slanty eyes compared to greeks
>How is the Greek invasion of Smyrna viewed in both countries?
Smyrna smells now
>Had Greece a realistic shot at reclaiming some territories?
Yes, but they spread too thin
>How many shqitards are in greece?
A lot of them found Jesus and changed their names to christian ones.

>>135944059
I thought Greeks were mostly E-V13?

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I don't understand why people we wuz as meds, they are still Europeans and they gave us the foundations for the civilization we live in today. We Wuzing is retarded we are all brothers, the meds created and we refined

>>135944226
They didn't fair so well when the communists popped up.

>>135938069
>Minoans = Minos + Labyrinth + Minotaur
>Minotaur got BTFO by Theseus, a real Greek
>Even if Modern Greeks related to real Greeks, at what percentage? 1% Minoan-Mycenaean, 99% Turkroach?

>>135944000
They had no chance of holding izmir ataturk was too strong of a leader and martyrdom is an honor for turks. From the mountains they got chased into the sea like the cowards they are

>>135944315
Tell that to the American trolls claiming that ancient greeks were nordics lmao

>>135944315
Anglos generally don't do this because they don't fell inferior
It's usually American mystery meat who is obsessed with pseudoscience

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>>135944228
>>135944000

Greeks has literally 0% turkic admxiture

stay buttmad negro

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>>135944241
The oldest dominant group was G, it is the group that has decreased the most.

> Modern Greeks resemble the Mycenaeans, but with some additional dilution of the Early Neolithic ancestry

The dilution is that of G by the other groups.

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>all these buttblasted Amerimongrels crying rapebaby
well then America must be a mulattospicmutt nation

>>135944566
*sigh*
The samples were all J2a

>>135944676
Nope, G was also included.

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>>135944654
the nord should be replaced by the 56% man, it's literally just americans wewuzing at this point

>>135944226
You're a Crimean/Marioupolitan Greek? That's rad mate, never met one!

Crimea had been colonized by Greeks consistently since at least 9th century BC, so I imagine you do have some ancient Greek ancestry. There's definitely some Scythian and Goth in the mix though. Still, pretty cool.

>>135944511
Learn 2 reading comprehension

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>>135944133
>The Greeks have always been a 'work in progress' in which layers of migration through the ages added to, but did not erase the genetic heritage of the Bronze Age populations," stated Iosif Lazaridis of Harvard Medical School, a lead author of the study.
And? If the Ancient Greeks were made up of some 5/8ths pelasgian "shitskin" 1/4ths "mongoloid" and 1/8th "nordic master race" and accomplished all that they did...

Then what the fuck does that make you?

>No, i'm saying whites ruled over shitskin monkey people
Hahahahaha. Keep clinching on to 'muh alexander tho'.

You haven't read a single page out of anything on Ancient Greek history, you are a low iq retard from a history-less country larping on an anonymous imageboard to please his inferiority complex.

Hitch a fucking hike.

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>>135944912

yes you need to do that

>>135944792
There is not even one Nordic flag here. There was one autistic Swede if you remember him but he left. In any case, we don't have anything against Nordics. They wuz pretty good too.

>>135944511
North east siberian dna isnt turkic dna kek nice meme

>>135944676
actually I was wrong here >>135941870
3 out of 4 Greeks were J2, one was G2a
the anatolian was J1

>>135938069
Greek American here. Can confirm that Greek blood is some of the purest. My name is literally Pericles and I look almost identical to the original Pericles.

>>135945188
Makes sense
(You're not sikeliote, are you?)

>>135945330
Do you know Greek? Greeks in the diaspora need to get more involved in Greek culture! Learn our language, adopt our faith etc

>>135945386
no lol
isn't that guy actually American?

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>>135944224
Greeks have mixed with darker races over the years. Even OP's article says that. Look at my quotes in my later posts.

>>135945031
I've read into Greek history. Keep making up race stats and posting dark skinned servants though. Doesn't prove that most of their statues where white.

>>135945092
>>135944912
He meant how much Greek admixture is in Turks, in which case Western coast 'turks' are literally nu-larpers.

>>135945475
>>135945475
I know a small amount of Greek, but plan to learn the entire language soon. I'm Greek Orthodox by religion, and even have a Byzantine and Greek flag on my wall (along with a Greek Cypriot flag).

>>135941529
Armenians from 6k years ago created wine. Search it up.

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>>135944133
Tacitus confirmed that Germans were a distinct people.

i.e. Romans/Italians, Celts, Greeks, Iberians, Anatolians (the list goes fucking on) were not the same as them (G*rmans)you butthurt history stealing FAGGOT

Admit your blond hair and blue eyes amounts to jack shit

>>135945489
Yeah, and he's half-Polish. What's more, he's also Sardinian, so effectively he's only 1/4 Sicilian. His obsession is so insanely bizarre.

>>135945776
Based
>>135945489
Possibly, who knows anymore with those LARPers

>>135945528
the article simply says there isn't 100% continuity, but if you look at >>135939156 you see that modern Greeks are if anything closer to Europe, they are on a cline between Myceneans and east Europeans/bronze age steppe people

if they had substantially mixed with brown people you would expect the exact opposite phenomenon, they'd either plot more to the right, either up or down

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once we started paying debts everything begun to go great.

based hideo kojima for inventing dna.

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>>135945528
First off I don't think a single "Arab" has set foot in Greece. But anyway:

Look at Greece

Do you consider Greeks to be Arabs?

Now look at Hungarians

Do you consider Hungarians and French to be Arab?

.
.
.

NECK YOURSELF... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD..

>>135945776
why don't you Greek diaspora and Greeks try to colonize Western Anatolia and convert the Turks to Orthodoxy and Greek culture? Act like the Jews in Israel, maybe you can even provoke a war

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>>135945836
Pic related
It's amazing how after 2000 years they still chimp out

>>135945836
Yes I'm sure the northern Germanics were quite distinct. Less mixing with he Mediterranean peoples.

Can you admit that modern Greece and Italy are cesspools full of shitskin retards? Italy kneecapped the axis and modern Greece is a debt filled shithole. If you're so superior, why do the Germanics run the EU?

>>135946149
Yes actually, pictures of Greeks and Italians show them to have significant Arab features.

>>135946239
...and look at you today soccer nigger.

>>135946170
That would very much be an amazing thing to do, but likely wouldn't work, considering T*rks are roaches and most are incompatible with civilized western culture. Maybe we could completely drive those fuckers out though, as revenge for their crimes against Cyprus and Greeks as a whole.

>>135946315
if you had any historical perspective or humility you'd realize your beloved north European """superiority""" might just be a glitch in history, soon to get to an end

>>135946315
Okay dumb nigger time to GTFO off my thread. If you're so superior get the fuck out of your PC and go do something with your life. You've ruined this thread with your retarded claims.

>>135946472
Just do it under the pretense of opening and running resorts on the Aegean coast and collect money from DOOSVOLT larpers and Greek nationalists to fund settlements

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>>135946561
pic related

>>135946593
You killed your own thread with he false premise that your posted article stated you are the same as the ancients. The article actually says you've been mixed over time. I just wanted to be a dick about that.

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Nordcucks are cringey as fuck. Literal snowniggers, and now these faggots are even stealing other peoples history.

>>135946970
That sounds breddy gud, actually. Roachland will be utterly and completely BTFO.

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>>135946315
Wow, hear this guys? Germans RUN THE SINGLE GREATEST THREAT TO EUROPE!

What an honor!

WRONG. That would be a collection of unelected individuals from every EU country you dumbfuck, Germany isn't the boss of the EU, their capitol is not even in Germany. However Germany does like fucking over everyone else, this time with blacks and muslims.

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>>135946996
Your pic looks like post ancient era paintings. Care to throw some dates on them?

>>135946973
cherrypick as much as you want, none of your beloved northern nation was as literate, urbanized, rich and prosperous as Italy in thousands of years, which are pretty much the only variables you people like to use nowadays to define a nation's worth, being jewish nations enamoured with gold as you are

>>135947169
half of this high tier people are light eyed, brown eyes are subhuman deal with it.

>>135947169
Post your country flag.

>>135946973
No one is exactly the same as 4000 years ago. Within reasonable (and obvious) context, his statement was correct. You just had to prove again how autistic your people are. Good job, but we don't care. We know and we ignore you. You are efficiently killing yourselves so there is nothing to do. Stop pestering us until you die out.

>>135947189
>arguing history and genetics
>can't even recognize these famous paintings

They're from before the Islamic/Arab invasions, and that's all that matters.

Snownigger history thief.

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>>135946315
>Yes actually, pictures of Greeks and Italians show them to have significant Arab features.
Greece was entirely "Arab" J2-bearing before indo-European migrations. Anthropologically med, same with Italy. And these people were the ones responsible for the thing you call 'civilization'; Etruscans, Achaeans, and Pelasgians for one. Do you know anything about genetics or anthropology or did you just come here to spout random shit? The latter seems a lot more apparent.

You see pic related? That's Aesop, what does he look like to you?

>>135938981

ancient romans often had blonde and red hair as well as green and blue eyes, read plutarch you mongoloid.

>>135939683

Says the fucking Mongol, Fins discovered the wheel in the 19th century, and you are going to lecture us? What fucking nordics came here? Explain. Dorians came from modern day central Balkans.

>>135947323
The minimum standard for being white is checking two the following three options

1. Fair eyes
2. Fair hair
3. Fair skin

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>>135938069
>19 individuals in total tested
>conclusive proof!
Nah, this is good evidence of close lineage for some modern Greeks, and against those few fringe theories claiming that ancient populations were completely eliminated or claiming black origins and what not, which no one took seriously to begin with. We all know you had a ton of enrichment going on, and much worse, though.

>>135947599
please feel free to share with us some of these Plutarch quotes about those light Roman figures

>>135947695

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/e/roman/texts/plutarch/lives/Cato_major*.html

https://www.theapricity.com/earlson/history/emperors.htm

Did you honestly think the conquering and rape of your country by moors didn't darken your skin?

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>>135947151
>Another location where the Greek community lives is the islands Imbros and Tenedos near the Dardanelles, but this community is diminishing very fast and only 200 elderly Greeks have remained there, less than 2%. In the 1950s, an estimated 98% of the island was Greek.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbros#Population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenedos#Population

cuck the Turks, take back Greek land

>>135947665
You forgot the most important one
4. Pink nipples

>>135947319
Italy would be nothing without the collective wealth of the Mediterranean. You were given perfect land and trade routes to develop on.

>>135947339
You lied in you OP, that's why i pester you.

>>135947371
Nice no dates. The shading looks quite modern.

>>135947440
He literally looks like Shakespeare.

the Floridian Greek LARPing community that I grew up in was pretty comfy
t.Tragos

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>>135946973
>The article actually says you've been mixed over time. I just wanted to be a dick about that.
Yup, the exact mixture that led to Classical, Archaic, Hellenestic era AND Byzantium. How does it make you feel? You think the Ancient Greeks were 'pure', you are a fool and a larper.

As for the dates on >>135946996, look at pic related and make fucking sure you read the highlighted part so it gets rubbed in your face just a tad bit more. Elite Greek settlers in Egypt.

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>>135947891
as I expected, none of these are quotes from Plutarch
my bad thinking a mart sharter subhuman could actually be literate

maybe when your negroid admixture drops below 25% you may be able to actually check those apricity sources in detail and assess their worth(pro-tip: Malalas chronicles are not considered a valuable source for the principate, given that the guy lived when the WRE had already collapsed)

>>135947189
That is from Egypt, around the time when Negroid admixture increased, late Roman Period.

>>135947973
and germanic nations would be nothing without the wealth given by the atlantic trade, which cut out Italy from the game
I can cherrypick environmental explanations as well

>>135947963
Man discovering a girl has brown nipples is like discovering she has a messy roast beef sandwich for labia. Total deal breaker.

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DAS RITE!

>>135947973
>Nice no dates. The shading looks quite modern.

Haha you're fucking retarded. Those are all from antiquity, 1st-3rd century AD.

Modern? Lol you dipshit. It's clearly the pinnacle of Greek art from the time.

>>135938069
Modern Greeks are related to Ancient Greeks? What a fucking shocker!

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>>135947323

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>>135941171
Ancient Greeks were mostly Nordic. Deal with it.

WE WUZ BASICALLY DUNEDAIN NIGGA

WE ARE PLATOS AND ACHILLES AND SHIIET

But in all seriousness why does the nordic european have to have a claim to Greece/Rome? They had a good a run themselves irrespective of that, for 1200 years.

>>135947963
I have brownish nipples and I'm a half-Norwegian WASP

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>>135948154
lol calm down sperg

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>>135948343

It doesn't have the same punch, comes off as too desperate.

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>>135948437
Americans are not nordic Europeans. They are mongrel trash thinking they are European. Don't blame northerners for them.

>>135948154

http://classics.mit.edu/Plutarch/mar_cato.html

>>135948006
>Classical, Archaic, Hellenestic
neato

>AND Byzantium
*screeches brakes
You mean those Christcuks who got conquered and disavowed their own religion in their final days. Those people famous for having a remarkably stagnant society? Looks like the mixing went too far.

>Mummy portraits or Fayum mummy portraits (also Faiyum mummy portraits) is the modern term given to a type of naturalistic painted portrait on wooden boards attached to Egyptian mummies from the Coptic period.

So the paintings are of majority Egyptians in the 100bc-300ad period? What does that tell me about Greeks?

>>135948481
You are no white then, probably a Saami or native american subhuman.

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>>135948432
>Ancient Greeks were mostly Nordic

WE WUZ

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>>135948549
It's true you know

>>135948613
Your people don't even speak an Indo-European language. Your nipples are probably brown and you probably have the same face as Stalin

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>>135948613
nobody is white according to this site

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>>135948702
Here is proof that the Romans were Nordic, too. Read a book.

>>135948154

also,

>the only source we have isn't perfect, so therefore you must be wrong and they were all dark niggers like myself

hilarious how upset you get when there's evidence that you are not the descendants to the greater people who once inhabited the same land you do. Also very strange to make the claim that i'm not white (in a derogatory sense) when you're arguing that the romans weren't white either.

>>135941207
He's retarded, dont mind him.

>>135948549
You're a fucking moron if you think White Americans have mixed much.

Marrying the Irish was considered interracial the first half of the 20th century. Outside of some major cities, you would never see Anglo-Americans mix with Poles, Slavs, Germans Irish etc. Much less Italians.

>>135948432
I know that. They've darkened over time. That's a shitty version of that pic. Use this one,
>>135942840

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>>135941207
>>135940941
>we're both Meds

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>>135948437
>But in all seriousness why does the nordic european have to have a claim to Greece/Rome?

It's insecurity. They depended on Roman/Greek achievement to bolster their self-worth.

But they act like dicks to everyone else and now get asshurt when Meds assert their rightful history.

>>135948784
it's not imperfect, it's right out from a guy who had 0 contact with the people who he described, from a work which is considered part mythical by historians themselves

keep wewuzing mongrel trash, this result on ancient Greek DNA is only the first step in your BTFO

>>135948739
Says the Half-Mexican.
>b-but Spanish is an Indo-European language! My ancestors are basically Iberian anyway!

>>135948549
t. black pomade haired manlet

>>135948854
sure thing Tyrone O Sullivan

>>135948739
My nipples are pink, but I'm not white. but still whiter than you. sorry about your nipple mate.

>>135948747
False, ancient Greeks and Italians were nordic whites, nobody else was or is.

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>>135948771
>lists handful of Roman emperors from AD era
>smattering of piss poor sources among real ones

Are you fucking brain dead? Holy shit man. That's an impressive failure in logic.

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>>135949058
t. literal negroid

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>>135947973
>He literally looks like Shakespeare.
>Shakespeare
>Armenid
>Clearly "Arab" nasal features
Yup you're doing mental gymnastics.

You know you kind of gave yourself away when you said that only the rulers and conquerers of the shitskins were nordic. If that is true then that would make all the sculptors, mathematicians, philosophers, and historians shitskins as well. If you want to deny you said it I'll link your reply here:>>135944133
>No, I'm saying whites ruled over shitskin monkey people.
Even then you are wrong. Pericles DOES not look like a Northern European c*mskin, that nose and those niggerlips are entirely med.

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>>135949259
Ancient Roman art speaks for itself.

Wait, how did the nordicists manage to evade the conclusion that modern Greeks are directly descended from shitskinned ancient Greeks? That's quite impressive desu.

>>135949387
Yes, this is called dying your hair. They knew it too. Their faces look semitic af clueless burger.

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>>135949387
Just take a look at these swarthy shitskin Romans.

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>>135949294
I'm saying It's obvious from the paintings and statues that the ruling class is white is fuck. All the dark skins are servants, spear chuckers, and lyre players.

>>135949387
Yah it does.

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>>135949387
Sure does.

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>>135949387
It sure does.

Never seen before rare btw.

>>135949442
By posting pictures with blonde statues. This is the power of the Nord.

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>>135949513

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>>135948771
>Here is proof that the Romans were Nordic, too. Read a book.
How about you first? You just visited a site and had it tell you random things, you didn't read any of those books you pathetic cunt.

You really want to hear what the books say?

>>135949520
>>135949513
Oh no, brown hair. How will Italians ever recover?

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>>135949016

You're projecting your insecurity, I have no roman descendants, my ancestry is germanic. I came from the white niggers who resisted and later cucked rome. That being said you cannot seem to refute that plutarch himself described people as red haired in rome, and that other sources from the page on roman emperors were from historians living around the same time (suetonius). You have provided no counter evidence to my claim only the rejection of my sources as bad. That does not constitute a coherent argument, if they were black niggers like yourself it should be easy to find. Look at Julius, he does not look like a black nigger like yourself.

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>>135949533

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>>135949260
Come back when you win a war.

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>>135949569

>>135949617
>I have no roman descendants

you've probably never had sex so you don't have to worry about descendants anywhere

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>>135949636
>that tiny penis

Maybe they were Nords after all.

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>>135949688

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>>135949614
That's just the base coat. Base coats are darker then the final painted form.

>>135949771
It was cold out...

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>>135949798

>>135949724

i meant ancestry, also very nice insult. Calling someone a virgin on pol, never seen something so clever.

>>135949617
>refute that plutarch himself described people as red haired in rome
you haven't provided a quote, only spammed a link in desperation, twice

as for suetonious
on Augustus
>"capillum leviter inflexum et subflavum"
the fact that you interpret this as nordic blonde says it all about how pathetic you people are
there's literally millions of Italians with "hair with a tendency to golden"

moreover, you subhumans deliberately ignore the rest of the infos
your beloved nordic Roman, according to Suetonious, was naturally tanned and had a unibrow

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No shit, and the sky is blue. Thanks for remind us elementary school history basics I guess.

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>>135949853
>>135949856
SO NORDIC

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btfo

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>>135949858

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>>135949947
Those are low detail mosaics. They could be tanned white guys.

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>>135938389
MY FUCKING SIDES.

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>>135949139

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>>135949673
come back when you don't have your nigger lips full of jewish cum

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>>135949636
>>135949798
>>135949856
>posting re-colored representations of gods


Dumb snownigger.

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>>135950060

>>135950112
>posting low detail mosaics of tanned white guys

>>135948176
>around the time when Negroid admixture increased, late Roman Period
wrong

That shit really went down during the Arab slave trade.

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>>135950022
They're tan and have brown hair

>>135950036

Tanned white guys is what Greeks are you dumb snownigger

>>135950177
give it up
snowniggers can not tan to that extent

>>135949917

oh my bad, I figured you could read, or, at the very least use ctrl f to find relevant information from large documents. I forgot that you're italian though and thus incompetent at everything.

>He [Cato the Elder] was of a ruddy complexion and grey-eyed; as the writer, who, with no good-will, made the following epigram upon him lets us see:-

Also i'm not making the claim that Romans were Nordin, but I am making the claim that they were something more akin to civilized people, not like the niggers that live there today.

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>>135950177
>tanned white guys

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ITT snowniggers posting brown haired people passing it off as red

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>>135950080

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>>135950080
Says the member of the EUSSR. Your "white" population is doomed to decimation.

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>>135950177
>implying greeks and romans weren't tanned white guys
>posts low detail shit himself all over the thread

Dumb nordnigger.

Look how LQ this pic is.

>>135950262
>described "people" as red haired in rome
>quote only describes himself
there you go chimp

Reminder that only Jews are white

>>135948549
Dirt can't change your dna, greaseball. We are no more admixed than any European.

>>135950060
You literally look like the crazy old fuck that I expected you to be
Lol, loser

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>>135950177
>BUT DEY WUZ ALL NORDZ

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>>135950361
your """white""" population has to include nearly all west Eurasia to reach 50%

>>135950299

https://books.google.com/books?id=BN8OAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=plutarch+red+hair&source=bl&ots=7DLEdCPGBJ&sig=ifbXeAnhPQJeyjbiLGIT65vJEk8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR_ej_7bnVAhWFSyYKHTE2BG0Q6AEIOzAH#v=snippet&q=red%20hair&f=false

search "red hair" and find all the romans who had red hair.

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>>135950141

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>>135950259
That's where you're wrong.

>>135950584

Go to bed old man

But weren't the Mynoans and myceneans BTFO by the jonians, dorians and aqueians?

>>135950627
Those are Western Mongols - Scythians, not white people

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Scholars themselves say Estruscans may have migrated from Anatolia, and Romans claim they descend from a Trojan hero, who is FROM Anatolia.

Face it Meds interacted with each other more than they have with Celts, Germans, and Nordic monkeys.

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>>135950627
>proving the other guy right

Embarrassing.

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>>135950546
I'm comfy in my house which is worth more than an entire Italian neighborhood. Eur*s have the biggest unwarranted superiority complexes ever.

>>135950638

Yeah, guess I should just take a nap.

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Here's another link:http://dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/hellenes/
it shows how the Greeks were a race that didn't racemix, like so many ( (people) ) like to claim

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>>135950390
I've posted scientifically recolored statues throughout the thread. Your mosaics are low pixel bullshit.

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>>135950722
>Romans claim they descend from a Trojan hero,
kek,
> Hey Greeks, we're actually Trojans
> so the mass rape and enslavement of you is justified

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>>135950836
>posting the same low pixel recolors from some artists imagination over and over

Try harder snownigger.

>>135950400

quote also describes cato jesus christ you italianiggers are retarded, ruddy appearance means red

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Roman mask.

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>>135949520
>I'm saying It's obvious from the paintings and statues that the ruling class is white is fuck. All the dark skins are servants, spear chuckers, and lyre players.
Let's pretend you are right that would make sculptors, mathematicians, philosophers, historians, painters, architects, Spartans all 'dark skins'. I said this before but you clearly don't want to accept it. If you want to pretend every ruler was nordid type with 0 evidence, by all means go ahead. But then you would have to face this basic fact which you CLEARLY do not want to accept.


And let's not forget you post the same 1 roman statue every time to try to prove your point, you haven't read a single thing about the greeks, and you rely on nordicist articles to educate you. Kindly fuck off.

>>135949387
>black eyebrows
If I posted an Italian with dyed hair you would say the same thing regardless of the fact that those women have olive skin tones.

>>135949856
>we wuz gods and shiet
Is this really your best?

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>>135950776
>I'm comfy in my house which is worth more than an entire Italian neighborhood
keep telling yourself that Kwanzaa, your jewish overlords probably own your house anyway

>>135950754
Your pic looks nothing liek what i posted. That nord chick i posted is dark tanned. Someone stuck out in the sun would be even darker.

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so many germanics

>>135950994

this is nothing like the goombas that inhabit rome today -- have you been there?

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>>135951009
you went from claiming Plutarch described many people as red haired, blonde, blue eyed to that single shitty irrelevant quote

your negroid admixture is higher than I thought

>>135950994
>artist
Brinkmann used scientific methods to find out the chemical composition of the old statues you dumbfuck. Mosaics are low pixel/detail and use color difference to excess in order to show shading.

>>135950776
>Eur*s have the biggest unwarranted superiority complexes ever
Have you seen their dna tests? Most have more African dna than Shaq.

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Before I dump statues with original colors I want to post this

LISTEN UP!

If see the amerimutt larper in a similar thread

SPAM THIS IMAGE

He starts to cry! Sad!

>>135951184

https://books.google.com/books?id=BN8OAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=plutarch+red+hair&source=bl&ots=7DLEdCPGBJ&sig=ifbXeAnhPQJeyjbiLGIT65vJEk8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR_ej_7bnVAhWFSyYKHTE2BG0Q6AEIOzAH#v=snippet&q=red%20hair&f=false

find all the famous romans who were red haired by searching on the left "red hair". When this large of a fraction of people have red hair it's likely that it was fairly common, not just a few isolated events. Also your attempts to insult americans doesn't affect me because i'm not american.

>>135950529
Damn I'd suck the one on the left bellybutton

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DUMP BEGINS NOW

Teracotta Zeus

>>135951041
>Let's pretend you are right that would make sculptors, mathematicians, philosophers, historians, painters, architects, Spartans all 'dark skins'.

No it wouldn't. That would make you a straw manning dipshit.

Keep ignoring scientifically recreated Greek and Roman painted statues.

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>>135951088
>>135951088
>Your pic looks nothing liek what i posted.

Says the blind retard yelling about "tanned Nords" lmao.

>>135951142

Have you? Italians are mostly tanned or light skinned with brown hair.

Dipshit.

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Tanned Germans amirite?

Krauts were nothing but ooga booga street shitters LOL

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>>135951060
That's easy to say when you don't have 300 million normies to feed gibs to. Despite any statistic you bring up, the USA is the military and economic center of the world while you could barely beat a few niggers into submission. Reminder that (((Italy))) lost WW2 for the axis.

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Teracotta Goddess (Not sure who, forgot)

>>135951279
>amerimutt
Leaf, you really have no room to talk.

>>135938069
>CTRL + F
>Snownigger 7 hits
>Nordcuck 3 hits
>Varg 2 hits
>We wuz 7 hits

Why are you all so angry and easily baited?

If you are a Med shitting on Nordics, you only come off as having an inferiority complex. And visa versa if you are Nordic.

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>>135951346
>literally cannot provide direct contextual quotes
>literally desperate with google search
none of those """quotes""" corroborate your thesis, they are mostly irrelevant

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>>135951211
Uh huh, sure he did pal. I'm sure he also claimed they're all tanned Nords but at the same time they're also all blonde and blue eyed.

You're retarded lol.

>>135951112
Germans tan dark. IDK how deluded you are to ignore that. Most of you have never spent much time in the sun, so you've probably never seen it.

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Do people on /pol/ really think we look like Pakistanis?

I have very rarely encountered arab levels of dark skin in this country. Why do they think hat because we don't have blond hair or blue eyes, we are sandniggers ?

>>135950776
Your houses are cheaper than European ones. They aren't even real houses, just some pieces of wood stuck together. (Like your ancestors!)

>>135951285
You'd be amazed to find out that red hair originated in the Middle East

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>>135951364
No one's denying it LMAO, some of them are definitely questionable though and in the articles Brinkmann drops hints that he's guessing in some scenarios. Also you EXCULSIVELY post Gods and Heroes and compare them to the general population like an idiot, no ones denying Athena looked like that you absolute moron.

Do you like this one btw? It's of a citizen iirc. I think it looks pretty nice? How about you?

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>>135951539
Keep stroking yourself wrong-fag.