OBAMACARE SKINNY REPEAL VOTE

Do they call it the skinny vote because that's what the people who are affected by this will look like afterwards?

>>135234314
>isn't it past your bedtime kid?

why did rubio vote no

First vote is to send the bill back to committee, we want "no" so we can proceed with the vote to pass the bill.

First

WE WANT NO.

THIS VOTE IS TO SEND BACK TO COMMITTEE

>>135234314
we /winning/

You retards cant read

>>135234314
fags niggers and jews = bad news

>>135234314
>NO, NO, NO, NO

>>135234314
Aye
Naaw
Aight
Naaw

>>135234464 Give it to me straight, /pol/. My uncle is unemployed and can't afford to treat his illnesses. I don't know what he has (Medicare? Medicade? I know it switches to something when you turn 65.), but he won't be able to afford treatment if he has to pay out of pocket. Will this bill fuck him over?

>47 TO 48

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>135234459
Its for the bill to go back to committee, we want a no vote on this one.

>>135234314
What is the skinny repeal all about? Is it good in terms of free market choices and premiums going down?

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>>135234314
Reminder to primary any neocon that votes no to skinny repeal (except McCain if he does, because he'll be dead by the end of the year anyway).

>>135234314

47-47

Who do you reckon does the carpeting for that floor?

>>135234446
Found the chubby chaser

what's with all the kids sitting on the ground?

How long will this take I need to work tomorow

>>135234510
you shouldn't have to access that sort of question.

QuICK SOMEONE EXPLAIN HWO My COUNTRIES POLITICS WORKS

>>135234548
We want Nos right now
Next is Aye

>>135234527
In effect it would destroy oba care. Removed tax penalty.

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im scared

>>135234510
No, this bill doesn't touch Medicare or Medicaid. Also for the record, Medicaid is the one for poor people, Medicare is the one for senior citizens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qefX-A4c__E

>>135234446
I'd like to thank all the amerifat posters to inspiring the coming wave of weight loss

>>135234564

That carpeting is old.

If they tie I think it's defined in a fight to the death.
Pence vs McCain

>>135234314
Thanks anon.

Just so everyone's clear this first vote is whether to send the bill back to committee...the vote should go down by party lines and the No's will take it. Then they vote on the actual bill...only need 50 votes for "Skinny" Repeal to pass (Pence will break the tie).

It's why Graham went thumbs down, then thumbs up. Goddamn, I'm so excited...we have a chance to kill Obongo's legacy in the next 15 minutes.

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>>135234510
no

Am I retarded or does Fox 10 Phoenix not have the actual count up anywhere on the screen?

>>135234575
Aides and interns with nothing to do atm.

>>135234510
medicare is safe, this just takes away the mandate, which will jack premiums for anyone who has preexisting conditions and needs to get coverage independently of their employer

>>135234510
Not at all
Skinny repeal is just repealing taxes, mandates, and a couple regs
Medicaid expansion stays

>>135234623

Aesthetically or age wise?

WHAT'S
THE
SCORE

>>135234588
you want your countrymen to vote "no" right now

>republicans own senate house and WH
>it's still a 50-50 when they vote on shit

uhhhhhhh

>>135234627

is that fair? McCain JUST had his batteries changed

Medicare and medicaid are shit too. Why haven't they repealed that? Seems like more commie bullshit for welfare hags.

>>135234510

This won't affect him. Seniors will always be covered. It might be expensive for them but they'll have coverage

>>135234590
Talking about the skinny repeal vote memeflag, not this one.

>>135234510
How the fuck are we supposed to know if you don't even know exactly what kind of coverage your uncle has?

That's like saying "My car is blue, will it drive fast?" I don't know, what type of fucking car is it?

>>135234558
This is just to go to committee. Real vote starts after this if the vote doesn't pass. like right now.

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"Mr. Rubio, 01101110 01101111"

>>135234564
The AOC...they're always hiring!
https://www.aoc.gov/careers

>>135234510
yep your uncle is weak and is gonna die soon sorry bud

>>135234314
MIKE PENCE ALMOST ABOUT TO TIE BREAKER LOVE THEME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ3poU70uIE

>>135234527
Doesnt touch pre-existing conditions or Medicare/Medicaid still needs work but Rand is voting Yes

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>>135234471

It's like sports but I care about the outcome.

Well, not -care- but I want the other side to lose.

>>135234704
2 GOP women hell bent on keeping oniggercare
Women in politics man

>>135234696
51 NO, 47 YES to send the bill back to committee.

So repeal is going as planned.

It's not even a full repeal. This is idiotic, and does not really remove obama's legacy. why are republicans supporting obamacare-lite?

>>135234704
RINOs and just the senate

>>135234730
Dont talk shit about my pirate flag nigga

>>135234721
Because once a country goes on any kind of welfare, it will never come off of it. Medicare and Medicaid will never be touched unless it's to replace them with something even more socialized.

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>>135234696

>>135234692

I know they do repair work and cleaning to it during recesses but they only replace it every so many years.

At state level it can go even longer.

Some of those desks have been there for a very long time.

47/51

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>>135234696
We won!

>>135234840
we can't let him get the nuclear codes!

>>135234840
need movement

>>135234721
because commie bullshit for welfare hags is popular

>>135234840
Its healthcare asshole. We are trying to ease off Obamacare the best we can.

>>135234880
>u
>>135234896
YISSSS

>>135234840
for bantz

>>135234840
fair enough and I have been let down as much as you have. The only thing I can really take from this with joy is Schumers tears. If your not happy with the bill atleast be happy with the tears.

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>SCHUMER RIGHT NOW

That's it then. The motion to send it back to the comitee failed.

The skinny repeal will be going to vote. Now we want YAY

So now that it's not going to committee, whens the actual vote

>>135234880
What stream?

>>135234840
Because if they don't, they're getting arrested with everyone else.

>>135234510
Depends on how much he needs. It'll roll back medicade (what he's on now) for sure, but Medicare (what he will have) is likely to be less effected. If all he needs is medication his out of pocket expenses will be rather minimal and may even improve all said and done. But if he needs therapy he almost certainly will be paying more or go without it.

>>135234840
It will kill the ACA anyways because without the Individual Mandate 20 year olds will not buy healthcare.

Bonus round: without the Employer Mandate, small businesses will stop cutting people down to 30 hours.

it's going to fail because of the brain tumor and his gay lover

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file name lads

Skinny Repeal does jackshit, what's the big deal?

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What's being voted on right now? Why don't we want it to be sent to the committee?

>>135234527
Its shit. It'll raise premiums 20% year over year unless something is done.

We can't have this vote succeed and not have a follow up. Just doing the skinny repeal would be disastrous.

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QUICK /pol/

SHOW ME YOUR CELEBRATION FACE

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IS THIS WHAT HAPPENINK FEEL LIEK

That youtube live chat is full of /pol/acks

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You must now vote Yay or Yea
Nays get the rope

>>135235002
Now nigger

>>135235005
Go to c-span jew

>>135234840
Obamacare relies on the this shitty part that they're repealing. If they get it repealed, the most unpopular part will be kicked, and the rest of Obamacare will be forced to come tumbling down afterwards.

>>135235069
This is a lie

>>135234692
https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_s

Regardless of the renovations and introduction of new technology, today's Senate Chamber would be familiar to those who visited it in 1859. Senators of the 19th century would marvel at the technological advancements and be surprised by the diversity of the Senate's membership, but senators today sit at the same desks, hear much of the same language of debate, and recognize many of the rules enforced by their predecessors. Issues have changed, but the same lively legislative debate and consensus-building action still shapes Senate deliberation.

Most of the shit in senate building has been there since 1859

>>135235069
>getting rid of bullshit mandates will cause healthcare prices to increase even more
Yeah nah

>>135235032
>>135235064

>>135235043
The fact that everyone in America can read your post and know exactly what you're talking about hurts.

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>>135235043
>gay lover

Good thing Mike Pence is there.

>>135235064

If it passes in the house and then gets sent to the president, they will stop stealing your tax return dosh for not having healthcare.

The employer and individual mandate will be gone.

>>135234704
>>it's still a 50-50 when they vote on shit
this isn't a bad thing.

>>135235069
But that's wrong. Obamacare is what caused premiums to go up in the first place. How can killing it cause them to go up even more?

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GANBARE

>>135234727
NEWSFLASH: Old people are the most likely to die and everyone does eventually. It's a cruel world. All seniors get Medicare in the U.S. at age 65.

>>135235236
Effective immediately?

>>135235169
So skinny repeal kills Obamacare faster?

It's effects only last one year (2018?) so Obamacare would have to collapse within that timeframe.

>>135234588
Committee drafted bill (here, skinny repeal). They are there to vote on this repeal. Someone motioned first to send the bill back to the committee, to try to get them to meet more of the Dem's demands. They just voted on that; motion failed. Next they are going to vote on the skinny repeal.

So why does the Senate even exist?

>>135235300
Because the brainless believe the liberal propaganda

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BERNIE IS THAT YOU?

>>135235168
The mandate literally forces the insurance pool to become larger, which decreases risk to the companies, lowering cost.

I never said I liked it, but that is the reality of the situation right now. I don't want a fucking insurance mandate, and I can be happy about it going away, but JUST removing it without a follow on will be stupid as fuck. Healthcare costs are stupid as it is, so something must be done beyond what is happening tonight.

That's all I'm saying. We need additional bills. Hopefully the GOP faggots can stuff their asses in a room and actually hash something out. It's taken them this long just to get even a skinny repeal, if even.

>>135235314

No, first it will have to be sent to the house, then it will be sent to the president. It could take a week or more even if it passes tonight

>>135234604
>poor
Dont forget lazy good for nothing welfare leeches. im sure thers some good people in there, but most are welfare parasites.

>>135235402

It gives old people something to do.

>>135235402
States rights=individual rights.

>>135235322
It only needs to last until 2018, after the midterms when Democrats get BTFO. Right now it's hard to pass anything useful because Republicans can't stop a filibuster.

>>135235431
yes that is Bernie

Here's the cspan stream if you want it.

If you have mpv:
mpv 'https://cspan2nontve-lh.akamaihd.net/i/CSpan2NonTVE_1@312669/index_400_av-p.m3u8?sd=10&rebase=on'

>>135234676
They do not. I'm watching CSPAN even though it's being kind of shitty right now.

>>135235322
This does a few things but is mostly symbolic. After things can be repealed but Repubs really want this through.

>>135235359
dependent, lad.

Please kill nigger care

>>135235443
>lowering cost
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

its good being a neet with an nhs while watching america repeal its NHS and knowing alot of people are gonna die like that fatass boogie lol

pretty comfy

>>135234840
It removes some of it and adds almost no bullshit. It means they can't tax you for not buying health insurance and it removes some of the other taxes. It gives you some tax breaks. It fucks over Planned Parenthood. It's an improvement even if it's not everything. Maybe they can remove the rest later.

>>135235402
Congratulations, you self-redpilled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

>>135234840
It will still end up killing Obamacare, just slowly, rather than immediately.

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>>135234314
https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

D U S V I D A N Y A
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>>135235032
>>135235109
A fully repeal is the ONLY solution. This bill would be worse than a full repeal. I'm talking about there not having any affordable insurance, because insurance companies would be unable to offer it due to the lack of government slush funds.

Just look at the bill. It's removing all the negatives (that bring in money for insurance companies) and keeping all the positives (that costs insurance company's money). This bill would be devastating to the health insurance industry.

>>135235402
Just so Pence can literally say 'I AM....The Senate" at especially critical times.

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How much longer does this shit take?

>>135235402

To slow down our government to give them time to not be swayed by knee jerk politics of the moment

We're a non-parliamentary system on purpose.

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>>135235303
Someone shop Trump into pic related.

>>135235483
I mean, when it passes fully, the mandates will be gone immediately, or will they still be in effect for this year?

>>135235521
Year over year cost. Its still skyrocketing, but without some of the effects of Obamacare, it would have continued at an even sharper rate. The main issues of Obamacare are things like businesses cutting employee work hours to prevent having to provide workers healthcare.

You are legitimately a dumbass if you think that we would be better of with repealing but not replacing Obamacare. A repeal with no replace would be disastrous.

>>135235605
That's part of the strategy as well.

>>135235443

pop quiz: when people are forced to pay for your product or face a fine what do you do?

A: Nothing, we're happy with the new customers and keep our price low
B: Charge as much as you possibly can because people are forced by law to pay it

The answer was B.

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WOOOOHOOOOO

I do wonder if Trump & Pence are watching the same FOX10 livestream that we are.

>>135235650
30 minutes until tanks

>>135235665
so its basically the house of lords?

>>135235402
Originally Senators represented the states and weren't elected by the people.

The 17th Amendment removed states rights by making senators elected by the people just like reps.

>>135235650
Maybe a few hours more.

>>135234727
>covered
>but more expensive
>not effected
This bill is gutting medicaid, of course it's going to effect him. Hell still have it, but there will be pain.

>>135235604
"If I can't grope it, or put gold letters on it, it doesn't exist!" -- The Atheist Bible

>>135235650

This is a vote to keep the bill for a vote, the vote will go after

>>135234510
Yes holy shit /pol/ is retarded.

Yes this will effect his treatments. Say bye bye to your entire families incomes.

>>135234314
>wanting to be responsible for health care

WHY

>>135235604
Sam Harris is irrationally obsessed with Trump in an eternal liberal screeching. He went full retard.

>>135235443

it hasn't lowered costs, it kicked the can down the road and any immediate benefits were directly tied to government subsidizing hospitals.

Same reason they repealed/stopped medicaid expansion at state level.

Even democrats know this is broken which is why they wanted to fix it in the first place

>>135235604
>sam harris
a literal who. I dont care.

>>135235431

No. It's way past his bed time. This is his stunt double.

>>135235443
bro you're confusing health insurance with health care.

health insurance will get much cheaper for people who are healthy and much more expensive for people who aren't. That's good if you are healthy. If you aren't... well it's expensive to insure somebody that you know is gonna cost a ton, to circumvent that is to make it not insurance.

Health care is gonna keep going up no matter what.

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>>135235402
THE
CONNECTICUT
COMPROMISE

>>135235720
Only in a monopoly, otherwise you still have to compete with other insurers.

Well or to twiiter to watch people mosn, or some one could make a thread for it

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Shadilay
Shadilay
Make liberal tears flow today

>>135235897

which no one in America has to do because of the state lines.

>>135234510
if he dies he dies

>>135235605
thats the point you retard

>>135235736
It needs repealed. The state houses use to choose senator's. Dems would be btfo

>>135235443
The mandate is the number 1 reason that costs increased under the ACA.
>make people pay a penalty for not buying something
>price floor is established
>price goes up
It's not rocket appliances.

>>135234314
>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
t. Nate Silver

>Employer mandate and medical device tax return in 2025

this entire bill is a fucking scam

>>135235443
The mandate never worked which is why Obamacare is in a death spiral. At worst this keeps that in status quo while removing the threat of a government cock up your ass if you don't have health insurance.

>>135235733

Yep. We modeled ours largely after yours.

>>135235861

But nobody can decide on a fix, is it even possible with the private sector doing what they are doing? Pretend we're at extremes, do we go all Govt healthcare or all private?

They are going to pull the vote mcain has donny by the balls

>>135235733
Yes. It's the upper house of Congress. Our House of Representatives would be like your House of Commons.

Except the 17th amendment to the US constitution ruined our bicameral system because now both of our houses are elected by the same people.

Soon
Soon the Trump will Trump thee abil-E-T for the monkey people to function without are capitalist system muahahahahahaha

>>135235605
In other words, it forces the insurance industry to support a replacement bill instead of constantly stonewalling and pushing congressman to vote against replacement.

>>135235861
>it kicked the can down the road

Thus lowering costs. I never claimed otherwise. It was a bandaid solution that needs to go, as well as the unconstitutional mandate to purchase something, but it must also be replaced with something more effective. Repealing Obamacare is like taking that kicked can and yanking it back to where you're standing. We need a bill, or set of bills, that can actually crush the can.

>>135235605
Oh damn, I'm so heartbroken for the insurance kikes. One reason Obamacare came about in the first place was because of insurance company shenanigans back in the 'aughts.

The tax provisions are still in place, just set to $0.

One democrat midterm sweep and it's back.

>>135236053
when ours dont do what we want we threaten to abolish them lol they do as they are told then

we did that during brexit

>>135235956
Depends what exactly you want, but it helps.

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just woke up, who's winning?

>>135235897

Insurance companies are exempted from anti-trust laws.

A little late for all these old peop,e isn't it?

>>135236179
Pence

>>135235897
Insurers in every state collude to keep their prices similar. That's why it's so important to let people get insurance from anywhere.

>>135234314
Who cares about Obamacare, do a fucking thread about Russian sanctions fool

>>135236179
Mccain being a nigger as always
Fuck Arizona for voting him in

Can someone give a quick rundown? I tuned in to watch the vote, but nothing is happening.

>>135236179
America

>>135236192

cocaine. i don't think children's blood lets you stay up later

>>135236048

It's removing the individual mandate as well.

did they already vote?
whats the count?

>>135236179
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/us/politics/senate-votes-repeal-obamacare.html

>>135236249
They just finished voting on whether to vote for the bill or send it back to commitee

they voted to have the vote tonight, so we're waiting for that vote right now

>>135236305
You forgot to archive it https://archive.is/vwJoF

remember, if anyone votes no they deserve to be kicked out in 2018

>>135236249

they voted about 10 minutes ago on whether to send the bill (skinny repeal) back to committee. i didn't see any results, but i think the Nos have it, so there will be a vote on whether to push out obamacare here soon(tm)

>>135236249
First vote: Do we send it back to committee?
Just failed but they're still holding the vote open

Second Vote: Bill


Lots of talking going on now.

Boring. Why are they voting so late?

>>135234704
Then Pence comes in and saves the day. Ties arent a bad thing for the GOP at the moment.

>>135236355

you are our greatest ally

>>135235989
You want to destroy the health insurance companies? The honest outcome is that this would probably lead to single-payer faster than a full repeal.

The ban on "pre-existing conditions" MUST be removed. There is no other choice.

>>135236102
Insurance companies are not stupid. They're gonna see that obvious ploy.

>>135236287
they don't have the votes right now. so far Mccain is a no.

this is what happens when you badmouth people. it bites you in the ass. Mccains final "fuck you" to trump before he kicks the bucket. it's pretty poetic.

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DRUMPFKINS!!!!!!! YOU. WILL. PAY.

>>135236251
It sure as fuck does my friend. It's adrenalized. It'll get you fucking spun from what I understand.

>>135236249
They're trying to pass something exceptionally shitty in an attempt to get to conference where the House and Senate negotiate together to come up with something.

If what they pass actually becomes law, basically everything health insurance related is going to fall apart

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i think mccain fell asleep

>>135236384
B-but Obamacare was 11PM on christmas eve

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>>135234872
>being this much of a faggot

From twitter, they are holding the vote open after everyone has voted, it's possible they are holding it since they don't have enough votes

>>135236024
only because republicans have the monopoly on gerrymandering

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>>135234314
Only the Senate could come up with the genius idea to hold a vote on whether to hold a vote.

Someone needs to get Kid Rock into the Senate. He would never allow for such low energy shenanigans such as this.

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Medicare For All is the only acceptable replacement to Obamacare. Regressing healthcare back to pre-2010 will hurt a lot of Republican voters and they're going to realize what a bad move it was.

By signing Medicare For All into law, Trump can still repeal Obamacare and still cover everybody, just like he promised. Trump has backed himself into a corner and signing MFA is the only way out.

Look, America will have universal healthcare. The only question is how much tomfoolery we'll have to put up with from people who won't accept that fact.

>>135235731
You. I like you.

>>135236466
He dead

>>135236364
>>135236371
The committee vote was a ruse, the house could straight up pass that as is. Thinking it couldn't happen (what most the senators are hoping for, as is) is the same damn way we ended up with the sequester.

>>135236397
They can see that ploy all they want. The Giga Nigga will still rape their asses if they don't act.

>>135236454
but health insurance has fallen apart already

>>135236576
Soon very soon

>>135236492

so using a procedural trick to try and slow it down. Sneaky

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Here's the CBO score for anyone intrested:
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/costestimate/s.a.667.pdf

>CBO and JCT estimate that premiums for policies in the nongroup market would increase by roughly 20 percent relative to current
law in all years between 2018 and 2026

Basically, if nothing is done to make a new bill, non-grouped people get fucked. Even employed people can get hurt by this effect, as shown here.

>>135236454
Youre a fucking retard, all this does is repeal the fucking mandated and other nonsense

>>135236507
>gadsden flag
>no clue how democracy actually works
everything checks out, enjoy your guns and your smug hysteria

>>135234314
Is it just me or did they just use the word "skinny" to trigger sjw's?

>>135236670
CBO is never right.

>>135236466

https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/890787768510464000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ffivethirtyeight.com%2Flive-blog%2Fsenate-vote-health-care%2F%3Fex_cid%3Dpromo_banner

From that he apparently voted no which is the cause for the holdup

>>135236466
His brain is about to explode, he's just holding it together

>>135236384
War of attrition. The weak make mistakes when they are tired.

>>135236615
No, it's limping along while falling apart.

This will just plain blow it up. We'll go from maybe lasting a few more years to the entire thing exploding in january.

>>135236647
More time to negotiate with hold outs

>>135236670
Why are they voting for this, again? They can't do any better than much worse?

>>135236454
You just can't accept that Obamacare was fucking stupid. Trump will ensure that whatever the GOP concocts will properly serve Americans.

>>135236466
looks to me like he can't stop touching those new holes in his head

>>135234314
To all of you faggots who don't know whats going on right now and why its taking so long, the republicans and democrats are both pushing and trying to make sure their party votes with in party lines but also trying to get more votes if they think what their interests wouldn't pass. Notice how no one is talking to Senator Dianne Feinstein. The left already knows shes going to vote their way and the right knows they have nothing that can swing her to their side. This is the real action.

>>135236136
No, Dems need all 3 chambers to change it back.

>>135236614
So you're saying that insurance companies would push congress for a replacement bill, but NOT push congress to keep obamacare while they come up with that replacement bill? Either insurance companies have teeth or they don't. Obamacare now is better for insurance companies than obamacare-lite.

it's not happening

>>135236710
Do you have examples of it being wrong in the past, or are you vomiting up what vested interests have shit down your throat?

>>135236783
They think they'll fix it in committee. If they fail to do so, everyone believes the house would be stupid enough to just pass it anyways. That would create a ticking clock where they would have to find a replacement FAST, or else the entire system would fall to pieces.

>>135236507
Representing Michigan, Senator Kid 'Stoned Fucking Pimp' Rock

>>135236806

It's action they should already know about before being on the floor. Delaying it means something might have gone wrong

>>135236492
>>135236647
O B S T R U C T I O N I S T S

>>135236507

Those tits on Kid Rock's wife

>>135236783
>They can't do any better than much worse?
Thats """"""""""""""""""""bi""""""""""""""""""""-partisanship for you

>>135236832
>3 chambers

So they don't have the votes? What's taking so long?

>>135236528
Why would I want universal care?
What makes crackheads who OD a few times a year worth covering and putting me further back in the line?

>>135236671
>Youre a fucking retard, all this does is repeal the fucking mandated and other nonsense

You're the retard, anon.

When you remove the mandate, the insurance companies are all going to pull out of the marketplaces and the whole thing is going to collapse if it's not properly compensated.

why did mccain vote yes on repeal and replace but no on skinny?

>>135236670
Premiums probably will increase by a lot desu

>People no longer forced to buy shitty insurance
>means price for those insured will go up to cover costs not being covered by those leaving
>insurance companies still have to cover pre existing conditions

This will never work lol. Premiums will still go up.

just repeal already, it's clear trump won't let it survive through his term

>>135236136
>One democrat midterm sweep

So never?

>>135235431
Bernie Sanders can't fuck. Old limp dick faggot

>>135236911
There already is a replacement ready, and it's the most popular one there is.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

>>135236911
You are a legitimate idiot
I dont recall the system of insurance being in disarray prior to niggercare, why the fuck would it happen now after a measly 7 years?
You are literally the stupid fucking voter that libs trick into thinking that repealing will somehow kill people

>>135236806
Seems tumultuous, like copying homework in the hallway before the second bell rings.

>>135236958
WH, Senate, House
1,2,3

>>135236711
oh shit
>confused brain tumour McCain votes No... and then yes... BY ACCIDENT

I want those to be headlines
I want those to be headlines
I want those to be headlines

why the fuck do dems WANT obongocare

it's literally a shit system that is failing

you dumb niggers.

>>135236984
McTurtle fucked up BIG TIME and is now trying to do damage control.

>>135236797
kek, he hasn't done it yet. it's either a better-applied obamacare, or a public option. Pick your fucking poison. I haven't heard a single realistic health care plan that wouldn't harm republicans more than democrats.

>>135236911
No one who knows how things work honestly thinks that. Like I already said, this is how we ended up with sequestration, just need enough people willing to tank the committee.

I'm undocumented and unemployed if they undo thr obomahelp ill not afford my house and i might have to go back to guatamala and its no good theyre senor :/

>>135237000
Nice digits
Total bullshit tho

>>135237112
UHEUEHUHUEHE

>>135236910

>asks for examples of the CBO being wrong
>in a fucking Obamascam thread

seriously, guy?

>>135237109
They just don't want the Republicans to have a win in year 1 of trumps term

>>135236797
When has trump ever given any fucking indication he knows shit about healthcare policy? He's been at best a long distance cheerleader through this whole process.

He has handed the keys entirely to Ryan and GOP leadership.

Obamacare was indeed a shit system, but the Ryan alternative is going to be even worse.

I'd love to see him come out with some big beautiful plan, but that's a fairy tale

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>>135237109
Socialist Saul Alinsky tactics for control over the population.

>>135237104
>WH, Senate, House
>1,2,3
impressive.

>>135234510
I hope to God you don't live in PA because filial laws will hold you financially responsible for his care and there isn't much you can do about it.

>>135237035
The main things is that the Obamacare market will collapse. Every insurance company offering plans on it will pull out overnight.

A "skinny repeal" is in reality a full repeal. There will be no government-based market for healthcare if nobody sells insurance on that market due to costs of covering pre-existing conditions but not having a "customer" (forced purchase) base.

>>135237129
Don't judge others by your own limitations.

>>135237109

Its a shit sandwich, but its THEIR shit sandwich. They gotta defend it or they totally lose face. Can't go against the black Jesus if you're a Dem, ever.

>>135236910
>First, CBO significantly overestimated the degree to which the individual mandate would induce relatively healthy people with middle class income to buy coverage in the exchanges. Second, CBO failed to anticipate that states would respond to the federal government’s elevated reimbursement rate for the Medicaid expansion by maximizing enrollment and paying insurance companies extremely high payment rates for this population. CBO has not yet explained if or how it has corrected its models for these past mistakes, but it should do so if it wants to improve confidence in its estimates of repeal and replace legislation.

Anything Democrats put forward = It's amazing and will save millions of Americans

Anything Republicans put forward = It's evil and millions will die.

CBO is a meme and should be ignored.

>>135237000
>all of oniggercare will collapse
Ok and?
Even if what you say is true (its not) youre not making a good case for yourself

>>135237000
The Insurance companies can only pull out of the markets to a limited extent. The more markets they pull out of affects their bottom line in a bad way. They will suddenly want a replacement just as much as the rest of America and then they will have to contend with Trumps Admin.

>>135236864
They have teeth but not enough of them to stop a seven year electoral promise. They know what the game is and can't do shit about it. Put them in a situation where they have to support action whether they like it or not. Then they'll stop getting in the way and something else might happen.

>>135236507
>1/10
>2/10
>3/10
>4/10
>5/10
>6/10
>7/10
>8/10
>9/10
>10/10 <---Your wife must be this hot to enter this room

>NEXT vote is the repeal

so just hold your fucking horses

>>135237109
Because the media tells them they are racist if they don't love Ovumacare.

Libs will literally pay thousands of dollars a month in extra healthcare premiums just because obuma and shumer tell them they should enjoy doing it.

>>135237088
>I dont recall the system of insurance being in disarray prior to niggercare

That's because you're 19

Insurance outside of employer plans before Obamacare was completely fucked.

holy fuck this vote is taking forever

>>135236806

The dems got a mini caucus going on over there.

bernie seems pretty happy, maybe rinos fucked the vote

They dont have the votes

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>>135236987
It would be magnitudes cheaper than Obamacare for American families.

>>135237411

>wtf I had 4 heart attacks why wouldn't anyone give me insurance??

>>135237088
Oh yeah, because allowing pre-existing conditions but not mandating healthcare will be so great for the insurance companies. No you fucking idiot, it will be devastating to them to have thousands of buyers they have to take in with pre-existing conditions while they also lose thousands who never wanted insurance in the first place.

Who fucking knew that when the government sticks their hands in a market and then removes it that it ruins fucking everything?

>>135237349
>The Insurance companies can only pull out of the markets to a limited extent.

Sure hasn't stopped most of the exchanges from dying due to them all pulling out, anon

>>135237411

i had health insurance before obamacare. then it became more expensive than car, insurance, food and utilities by itself

>>135237151
You have to go back, ese

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>>135237259
No it isn't, this is life now.

>>135237311

captain ahab going down with the ship

gg, democrats, you asked for it.

>>135237291
Wow, so clever. How about linking me to a realistic replacement plan? Or just outline one and explain how it would work.

>>135237035
Listen, stupid fuck. You're assuming people will still be forced to but insurance as it is today. This will mean people like me can now just buy plans suck as catastrophic. Im not a fucking fat shit with health issues. I also don't need to cover pregnancy bullshit, because I'm a fucking man. You are comparing things as they are forced today, not realizing people will now be able to get cheaper plans and be much more likely to do so. My old plan was $200 a month. It went up to $450 after Obama care.

You're a fucking retard that is purposely leaving the fact that people will be able to customize their health care plans because you know it completely fucks your entire argument, you stupid faggot.

"McCain was talking to Pence for a long time. Both men smile briefly as Pence walks away."

Showdown time at last?

Anyone have good pictures for the new OP?

Otherwise I'll just use a screenshot of the stream

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>>135235676
i suck at shopping but i gave it a quick try.

>>135237087
>(2) by increasing personal income taxes on the top 5% of income earners

Fuck that shit. Stop increasing my tax liability. The top 5% is only about $150k, which is nothing.

>>135236305

interesting, after some v.quick catching up it seems like those republicans voting against repealing are morstly anti/never Trump types:

http://archive.is/gqD1Q

>>135237516
It was more complex than that. Insurance companies had whole teams of people who basically doxxed applicants with insurance gaps. If they found so much as a mole being removed during the gap, you would be dropped.

>>135237624

McCain votes No, Pence breaks tie, McCain BTFO.

Conservashits vote against their own economic interests

For fucks sake guys stop shitposting about fucking Jeb!

>>135237546
Right and they can only do that thanks to Government Subsidies thanks to Obama's mandate. If the Mandate and other taxes are gone then the subsidies are gone. Then when they pull out/lose clients they feel the cost.

So are they voting on the actually skinny repeal bill tonight since it isn't being sent back to committee? How long do we have to wait for that vote to start?

>>135237516
Yeah anon, I sure loved being a completely healthy 25 year old but only being able to afford a $15,000 catastrophic plan because I was self employed. And I really loved my one doctor visit a year.

Great insurance. Really wonderful, especially when the prices were going up 20% a year

>>135237731
>things start moving as fast as a turtle
>surprised people bring up Jeb

>>135237748
Could be hours if they're trying to get votes.

>>135237751
15k that is shocking

New thread?

>>135237393

>mfw when my wife was in a kid rock video once

>>135237085
As a healthy, red-blooded American male I don't think I could even fuck Jane.

>>135237611
You're so confused, anon. You're talking about a full repeal. This is a partial repeal whose affects are what the anon you replied to said.

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>>135237411
Holy shit you're so fucking wrong. Shit was way cheaper and easier before obama's shit stain bill

>>135234314
I don't get it, why would they be voting for it at 1AM?

>>135237691
And the democrats don't think for themselves

>>135237709
Next you're going to say that premiums were going up even before obongocare

Just stop

>>135237583
Have you seen Logan's Run? Combine that with a slightly broadened Final Solution.

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>>135234314
PENCE HAS LEFT THE BUILDING, IT IS ALL OVER YOU GUYS

>>135234604
It cuts nearly a trillion dollars over ten years from medicaid dude. How are you this misinformed?

>>135237874
Try and hide it from the populace that is probably asleep since they have work tomorrow morning.

>>135237748

They're talking about it right now.

They're expecting a vote-arma so who knows.

He hasn't pulled the vote yet so he must still think he has the vote

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PENCE has left the chamber.

IT'S OVER

PENCE HAS LEFT

>>135237868
If you got your insurance through a company, maybe.

If you were buying individually, good fucking luck. And if you ever had a gap without coverage, better have even better fucking luck.

>>135237914
Not defending ocare, just letting the aussie know the situation.

I wasn't really affected by it, except for the hassle of having to go through the exchange even though I'm paying entirely out of pocket.

>>135237979
Maybe he's taking a shit

>>135237957
What does that mean??

>>135237868
yeah but you're not a unemployed nigger

>>135237516
>>135237709
Insurance companies had entire fucking handbooks on how to jew applicants out of insurance by bringing up anything and everything as pre-existing. Cystic acne, a bone broken as a child, the mole you mentioned, etc.

If someone responds to this with disbelief its guaranteed they're under 20 and never experienced what it was like back then.

>>135237979
>>135237996

maybe he's gonna go take a piss. jesus you paranoid fucks

I don't even care if repealing the ACA will effect me negatively. I just want to see all the butthurt liberals when they wake up tomorrow and realize muh legacy has been destroyed.

>>135237518
So youre saying they might not triple their profits over the next decade, like they did over the last?

>>135238081
Well, that's a good reason to root for death panels that kill children

>>135238051
don't need the tiebreaker vote :(

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>>135237506
nah

>>135238159
some of us just want to see the libtards burn.

>>135238159
>I'M BANKRUPT BUT AT LEAST A GIRL WITH BLUE HAIR IS MAD

>>135238081

Sounds like you need to make it easier to start an insurance company so competition can take that. I don't blame them though it's a great scam to get everyone perfectly health on your insurance system.

>>135238051

Either a tie breaker is not needed or they don't have the votes which means this midnight vote has failed

>>135238027
It's OK, I was being tongue-in-cheek. Premiums have been going up way faster than inflation for decades, obamacare did shit to stop it but certainly didn't cause it.

>>135238159
As a liberal, I'm more worried about the 20 million people that will lose their health insurance due to this half-assed repeal, not someone's legacy, you anti-American degenerate fuck.

>>135237728
Thats because for everu hard working lower class family, they know 5 that are lazy as fucks living off their taxes and doing jack shit. You think they aren't self aware? You think when they go to work and pay taxes while their neighbor does nothing but fuck and pop out children while getting a free ride, doesn't enrage them.

I hope we go to war with you fucking weak socialist pieces of shit soon. You think the militarily sides with you? Wrong. We are all chomping at the bit to burry you flag burning fuckers. easily three most red concentration of trained men eagerly waiting for you fucks to try and void the constitution.

>>135238269
Or Pence went to piss