/Christ/chan CHRISTIAN GENERAL - JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH,

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"Our Father dwelling in the heavenly realms, may the glory of Your Name be the center on which our lives turn.

Manifest Your kingdom-realm, and cause Your every purpose to be fulfilled on earth, just as it is fulfilled in heaven!

We acknowledge You as our Provider of all that we need each day.

Forgive us the wrongs we have done as we ourselves release forgiveness to those who have wronged us.

Rescue us every time we face tribulations and set us free from evil.

For You are the King who rules with power and glory forever!”

Amen.

Matthew 6:9-13

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Daily Communion

(1) Read scripture or Pray.

(2) Repent sins.

(3) Break Bread (The Body of Christ Jesus) in the Name of the Father Jehovah, in the Name of the Son Jesus Christ of Nazareth, in the Name of the Holy Spirit the Counselor.

(4) Read scripture or Pray.

(5) Drink Wine or Grape juice (The Blood of Jesus Christ) in the Name of the Father Jehovah, in the Name of the Son Jesus Christ of Nazareth, in the Name of the Holy Spirit the Counselor.

(6) Read scripture, Pray or Sing.

>>131772047
if god is real, then why did he create Satan? can't he get rid of him since he's all powerful? and why did he let his son get bullied to death? and that's ignoring the fact that there was a four headed mister and a talking snake in the book, but its adorable to see people so desperate for a reason to live like awwwww you're not capable of dealing with reality and the lack of an afterlife, so cute!

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Perry Stone shares visions he has received about coming tsunamis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAq1NTM3Vvs

Perry Stone: "I was right outside of Charleston South Carolina and in this vision I was in a duplex and there was a woman taking pictures at the bottom, I could see the city, it was a real clean, nice city, clear day and I looked over to the right and I saw a bridge in the bridge had a big interstate sign that said Charleston and I knew I'm near Charleston South Carolina it must be across the bridge, well I didn't know there were bridges connecting there, I had no idea because I had never preached in Charleston… and all of a sudden I saw a dark cloud forming I said “oh my goodness is trouble coming and this lady is out taking pictures and I'm trying to hit the window saying get to safety, get to safety."

>>131772075
Amen bro!

>>131772504
>Visions
McChristians, will they ever learn?

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>In 2003 Joseph Atwill discovered that the Roman emperor Titus Flavius, working with Flavius Josephus and other authors in his patrimony wrote the New Testament. Atwill deduced this by comparing The 'Judean War' to the New Testament. The 'Judean War', written by Flavius Josephus, was originally part of the Christian Bible, and was removed around 1100 CE. 'The Roman Origin of Christianity', released as 'Caesar's Messiah' by Joseph Atwill documents the creation of the New Testament as a Roman satire devised to win over Judean dissidents by deceiving them into believing that the emperor Titus Flavius Vespasiani was Jesus! I know, it sounds strange, but that seems to be the way it was. Titus took great pleasure in calling himself "the greatest forger in history."

Discuss please.

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>>131772415
For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:8-9)

There is an afterlife and there is a spiritual realm. You can either listen to your own thoughts or you can listen directly to Jesus Christ and listen to what He says. This is your decision: http://www.divinerevelations.info/documents/bible/esv_mp3_no_ot_2ndversion/?dir=New_Testament

>>131772415

>guys why doesn't God do these things that i inferred were important by interpreting my extremely limited knowledge of His scripture as if it were one of my harry potter books

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>>131772959
>someone wrote it in a book so it must be real

I see, so the Harry Potter series is a documentary? that's so cool! you're right, it IS fun to lie to yourself into thinking that life has meaning!

>>131772047
Christian rock is faggot shit literally crafted by Jews to trivialize and mock God.

Look into the genesis of it. Same record label as the niggers from "death row" 2pac, snoop dog, NWA. Christian Rock and Rap. One to make whites look retarded, one to make niggers look cool.

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>>131772747
If you've even taken the time to read your Bible, you would realize how foolish your statement is. The Old Testament prophets and New Testament Apostles also had visions.


And it will be that, afterwards, I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; then your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, and your young men will see visions. Even on the menservants and maidservants in those days I will pour out My Spirit. (Joel 2:28-29)

>>131773020
so getting rid of Satan isn't important to him? I see, maybe he's just way too entertained by seeing us shoot each other in the face with bullets and fucking with chemical warfare.

>>131773486
Earth is your test, not salvation/heaven

>>131772047
the world is older than 6k years

jesus didn't rise from the dead and his teachings were influenced by buddhism

god of the hebrews isnt god of the universe and their stories are archaic exaggerations (very common for the time)

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>>131773214
I'm not here to convince you what is Truth. That's your job. I'm just here to deliver a message. You can either listen to Jesus Christ, or you can listen to the thousands of other gods, ideas, and -isms out there in this world.

‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’ (Luke 16:31b)

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>>131773677
>the world is older than 6k years
True, but all life on this Earth is 12,000-6,000 years old.

>jesus didn't rise from the dead
Jesus did rise from the dead and He ascended into Heaven. He is alive.

>his teachings were influenced by buddhism
No.

>god of the hebrews isnt god of the universe and their stories are archaic exaggerations (very common for the time)
No.

Read your Bible in the Spirit and stop taking false ideas from other men and from the devil. The blind leading the blind, they both fall into the _______.

>>131773802
So I'm supposed to convince myself that god exists? That's what I've been saying this whole time, you've manipulated your way of thinking, and the only evidence you have is a book. A fucking book. I guess ill grab a wand a broom because books are always right and they're a source of evidence

>it says that it's real therefore it is and it isn't wrong.

I'm actually a cat typing this, I promise I'm telling the truth

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>>131772047
Fixed

>>131774155
Life began 14 million years ago, are you retarded or are you implying that humans and are the only thing alive in this world?

you Christians are so dumb, it's adorable

>>131772415
To give you a choice.

>>131773359
Yeah, it's pretty bad. Most attempts to be like the world to draw people to Jesus are pretty bad.

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Daily Reminder

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>Christian for over a year now
>dad grew up under socialism and hates Christianity
>doesn't just dislike them, but strictly opposes it
>thinks they only cause trouble, oppress people, cause war and get in the way of progress (as in liberal/regressive "progress" such as gay rights, abortion etc.)
>haven't told him I'm christian
>had to order a bible to my friends house and hide it from him
What should I do? I don't know if I can keep it a secret forever.

Jesus was called Emmanuel, he was a spritual man who traveled the world and died peacefully in India.

>>131773486
Satan will be dealt with when his time comes. Relax. Be patient.

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>>131772946
What is Truth?

God used the power and force of the Holy Spirit to put together the Bible over centuries. Back in those days of the 1st century Christians, they would receive their New Testament Scripture either though a prophet or an Apostle in their church. The Christians of that day were in the Spirit, unlike many so-called Christians today which require no faith or sacrifice.

This is all moot if you don't believe in the spiritual realm and the Words that Jesus Himself spoke and accept them as Truth. You can believe anything you want, the devil is a liar and a deceiver.


Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (Hebrews 11:1)

Blessed are those who have not seen, and have yet believed. (John 20:29b)

>>131773677
It's not.
He did.
He is.

>>131773471
>Jews from biblical times will receive visions
>Therefore modern goyim will receive visions even though Jesus is the final prophet

>>131774271
You can figure it out on your own, yes. But maybe you're too busy trying to figure out how and why the universe exists without saying "God did it". In that case, you'll never figure it out.

>>131774155
>>131774155
>True, but all life on this Earth is 12,000-6,000 years old.
then why do we have hominid skeletons older than that

>Jesus did rise from the dead and He ascended into Heaven. He is alive.
He's dead. God is alive but he's not yahweh god of the jews nor are they his chosen people

>his teachings were influenced by buddhism
>No
yes

>god of the hebrews isnt god of the universe and their stories are archaic exaggerations (very common for the time)
>No

Read historical documents from the same era, it was very common for kingdoms and tribes to write glorious exaggerations about how their god intervened in the battlefield.
The reason NT is so disconnected from OT is because Jesus was influenced by non-jewish thought during his 30 years before his ministry. This is why it's so absurd that Jesus would be portrayed as loving if this was all a part of the same framework where if you don't bow down to the god of the jews you will be tortured forever

>Read your Bible
already have
> in the Spirit
what christians call "holy ghost" is an evil jewish spirit that whispers in the ears of retarded goat herders that then go and make a mess of the middle east (this happened 3 times, islam is just the most recent one)

>>131774499
Were you there to witness that event? No? So, it's just like, your opinion, man.

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>>131774499
God created all life on this Earth.

Even your idol Richard Dawkins an adamant evolutionist and atheist admits the possibility that life was seeded by an extraterrestial race from another star system.

You don't even know your own 'religion'.

>>131774601
>god lets cancer and terrorist attacks happen to innocent lives because you have the freedom of choice.

and even if that were true, it says on the bible that god knows what I'm going to do before it even happens, is it still freedom of choice if he has already planned out your actions?

if he created Satan on purpose to give us freedom of choice, then why did he "fight" against him in the heavens? Your words are contradicting, but so is the bible so I can't blame you

>>131774799
He's right. Christianity does cause problems in Socialist countries, because the god of Socialist countries is the State, and the State brooks no interference from God.

>>131774806
If Jesus was called Emmanuel, God With Us, then He is God, and though He died on a cross outside the city of Jerusalem, He also rose from the dead.

He never went to India.

>>131774861
>What is Truth?

Pilate's question to Jesus, Who is Truth. "Who is Truth?" should replace "What is truth?" in every instance.

But Jesus was silent, and Pilate did not pursue his own question.

>>131774903
In the end times, old men will dream dreams, and young men will receive visions.

Or vice versa. Can't be arsed to check it out. But it does confirm visions in the end times.

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>>131774977
>>Read your Bible
>already have
>> in the Spirit
>what christians call "holy ghost" is an evil jewish spirit blah blah blah

>>131774970
The universe created itself because matter is never lost, it creates itself again and again because as it expands infinitely, it will warp into itself because of the conservation of matter. that's why the big "bang" was super hot, because all the matter that created the universe expanded rapidly across all directions.

But of course you don't care because your way of explaining the unexplainable is by simply saying, "because god made it that way."

You Christians are so ignorant of everything

>>131774977
There's nothing demonstrably older than 4800 years on the planet. Nothing. What you think is older is due to the asinine radiometric dating methods that reproduce similar numbers given similar tests on similar substances using similar techniques.

>>131775082
Yes, because you don't know what God knows.

There was no fight. Satan was just kicked out. The war you're referring to is in the future, and again satan will just be bound.

satan is not God's opposite; satan is Michael or Gabriel's opposite.

>>131773486


>24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

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>>131774781
>doesn't read about and follow Jesus
>completely misses the point

You can either follow some long text message some guy typed out on his iPhone while taking a dump in a toilet, or you can listen to the words of Jesus Christ the Son of God manifest in the flesh. Your decision.

>>131775541
>There's nothing demonstrably older than 4800 years on the planet.
there's trees older than that you absolute retard

>>131775484
>blah blah
you'll be in for a shock when you find out that only people who sold their sold to yahweh the jewish spirit will be tortured for his entertainment

It's your reward for being stupid enough to worship a god that is evil by his own standards - what you want to be done to others is done to you instead. Yahweh is the trickster archetype.

>>131775449
The end times are going on for the last 2000 years now, that's like 1/3 of Earth's age

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>>131775014
We have evidence of fossils, we can estimate how old something is by its structure such a degradation and such.

here's your evidence but I guess the difference between Christians and me is that my opinions are based on evidence, rather than faith.

>>131775073
I don't believe in his ideas, and I'm not atheist either. he's irrelevant.

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Since it seems apt to post again:


We've had this discussion years back on /pol/. Pic related is the back and forth from anti-theist and Christian /pol/ and where it is now. It's a crude version of the cosmological argument and layers of back and forth from anti-theist dissenters and Christian proponents. Note that the discussion - and the first part of the picture - warn that we're not talking about causation in a timely sense. This isn't about a "before the Big Bang" - in fact the vast majority of cosmological arguments aren't talking about causation in-time but sustaining causation. In the discussion of sustaining causation there are two major views:

>Divine Conservation: That things ultimately do rely on something outside of itself for its own existence constantly. Details of what that is and why that is are derived from the individual arguments themselves.

>Existential Inertia: That things ultimately move and exist on their own and don't need outside causation. How that works and why that is are derived from individual arguments themselves.

I would say, as would others, that the Divine Conservation position is actually fleshed out and sound, unlike the opposite view which usually has little to no argument for itself but amount to just a denial of Divine Conservation in everything I've read on the topic.

I'll have a formal proof for it in my next post that is the argument in full detail.

Part 1/3

>>131775484
Ruach Elohim is a person of the Trinity.

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>>131772047
Agnostic-Athiest here. How can I know that god exist ? What reason do I have to believe the biblical accounts can be trusted ? How do we know Jesus was more than just a man? If you can believe that a being capable of creating a universe appeared out of no where, why do you find it impossible that the universe couldn't come from the same origins? And even if I were to be a Christian, which denomination is the right one? There's over 4,000 that disagree on almost everything. God isn't supposed to be the author of confusion. So many questions...

>>131775517
Matter is never created either.

>>131774977
I hope you know carbon dating is flawed and when specimens are hit with radiation they "age" rapidly, thus meaning we dont know how old something actually is because radiation could have pelted the earth.

>>131775837
There are clonal trees that are carbon dated to be older than that, but of course carbon dating is part of radiometric dating, which is wildly inaccurate.

>>131775715
So you're just going to throw scripture verses at me instead of providing evidence?

I guess i could make my own bible, make up whatever I want, and refer to it as a source of evidence, right?

>>131775846
The "last days" have been going on for 2000 years, which of course is 2 days to Jesus, as a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day to Him.

>>131775837
Tree are not an accurate way to age the world
A tree can gain several rings in a year, it completely depends on the species of tree.

>>131775860
All fossils are a result of the Flood about 4650 years ago.

>>131776144
No need to post any of your old posts; they're all worthless, then and now.

>>131776191
Exactly, all matter that exists existed all in one place, that's what created the big "bang" (it was more of an expansion of matter in all directions but it doesn't sound as catchy)

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>>131776144
This is a retelling of Aquinas' old format. To show the age.

1. Causation exists.

2. Act and Potency are classic terms we can use to explain causation: When something is in Potency it has the capacity to become something else, but is not it yet. A fertilized egg has the potency to turn into a chick, an unfertilized egg does not. When a potency is realized, it is actual. To actualize a potency is to take a property that something had in potency and make it actually inhere in the thing. The same thing, in this case, for things within an instant. While they are simultaneous they are still essentially ordered.

3. When we find an instance of causation in the world we find some potency being actualized.

4. Something that is only in potency cannot actualize anything.

5. For some potency to be actualized something actual must actualize it.

6. If A is actualized by B, then B must first be actual.

7. Either something must have actualized B from being in potency to be in actuality. Or B is either necessarily actual, having never been in potency before. ( A v B)

8. If the left disjunct “A” is true then premise 7 applies to a new cause C.

9. If disjunct “B” is true there is a “first” uncaused cause that is pure actuality.

10. If disjunct “B” is never the case then there is an infinite series of actualizations. And we can apply 7 to C, then to a new cause D, and so forth. With every being having its actuality derived from another being.

11. If “10” is the case then there can be no actualization, as every being in the series has its actuality derived from another being, but there is no being with actuality on it's own to derive the actuality from.

12. If “10” is the case there is no causation

13. There is causation ( from premise 1)

14. Premise “10” is not the case.

15. If premise 10 is not the case, then at some point in the series “9” is the case.

16. There is a first cause, which is a being of pure actuality.

>>131776144
the problem is that you leap from "There is a god" to "The god of the jews is the true god and everyone else is tortured forever"

This is where the retardation comes in.
There is an "ough" - an elevated ideal that all men should aspire to, but the christian ideal is not it. Christianity sees this world as a useless transit, so it makes no difference whether we destroy all beauty and deny birth control to 3rd world and fill the planet with dysgenic overpopulation (afterall, fertility is a sign of god's favor!).

There is a god, but hes not the god of the jews and i worry for your soul if you sell yourself that cheap

>>131776170
The heavens declare the glory of God, and the earth shows His handiwork.

By attempting to attribute the existence of the universe, and the things on the earth, to someone or something other than God, you will never believe in God because you are in open rebellion against Him.

There is a God.
This is the universe God made.
If you can't figure that out, you're well behind the 8 ball.

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How far along in the book of Revelations do you Anons think we are?

Also, does anyone here support "Israels" right to exist? If so, why?

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>>131776170
God credits faith as righteousness. This is why Jesus said to become like children and come to Jesus. Listen to the Words of Jesus Himself, you can start with the Book of Matthew (link in OP). People believe what they want, what we go through in life isn't much different than what Adam and Eve had to go through in the Garden if you think about it.

God is Spirit, and those that worship Him must worship in Spirit and in Truth. If you desire to join a church, then the Holy Spirit will guide you. Spiritual Christians are scattered across Christian denominations. There isn't a correct denomination on this Earth, but there is a Spiritual church that you cannot see.

You're right that God isn't an author of confusion, Satan is the one that lies and deceives. Man is stiffnecked, if you read the Bible you will see this repeatedly.

Start by listening to what Jesus Himself had to say, start with the Book of Matthew: http://www.divinerevelations.info/documents/bible/esv_mp3_no_ot_2ndversion/?dir=New_Testament

>>131776197
Not to mention C14 appearing in diamonds, coal beds, and virtually ever organic sample ever taken for C14 analysis.

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>>131776506

Part 3/3
Yu'll notice that the argument ended with "pure actuality" rather than "God", which is what the argument does in its full form. Aquinas' Five Ways are to get five different results from classical arguments for God, examine attributes necessary of such traits, and then, afterwords, defend rationally that all five results must be the same thing to establish a more complete image of the thing from rational deduction. Afterwords, the term "God" is applied as it's entirely synonymous with how God in understood theologically.

The picture crudely summarizes this whole argument but also goes into necessary attributes at the bottom.

From this we can see how common disagreements are tenable at all:

>God being uncreated is special pleading!

The result inherently leads to an uncreated creator and lays out what of its nature is discernible.

>Why can't it be the universe that's eternal?

The universe cannot be as the initial premise mentions motion within the universe and the end result states a lack of change inherent to it.

>You just call it God out of nowhere!

In abbreviated versions, definitely, but the basis I lay clear in my post here.

Aquinas, along with pretty much all the classical Christians understood God in a sense called Classical Theism, which would view God as a constant ground of being rather than an individual or anthropomorphic type of thing. This is the standard Apostolic Christian (Catholic/Orthodox/Coptic) view to this day. This is opposed to the view Theistic Personalism, which is God as a kind of individual and anthropomorphic to some degree. This is constantly popular between all laypeople for easy understanding and became popular between Protestant scholars since modernity. How God's attributes (omni-stuff) are understood differs between these two branches.

This is not the only bit of argumentation in this field but its an easy go-to example to introduce it. People have discussed DC/EI elsewhere too, obviously.

>>131776170
>Agnostic-Athiest here. How can I know that god exist ?
Natural law wouldn't make sense otherwise

>What reason do I have to believe the biblical accounts can be trusted ?
none, and you shouldn't.

>How do we know Jesus was more than just a man?
He wasn't

>God isn't supposed to be the author of confusion.
the god of the jews is a liar and a trickster, and is in fact an author of confusion

>>131776512
Judaism is younger than Christianity. Jews back then refer to a specific tribe, not religion. ALL the tribes worshipped Yaweh.

>>131776289
It's not your fault you don't understand the parable; it's not for you.

But if you think you can create a writing that will last for 3,500 years, go for it.

>>131776487
The matter you suppose set off the Big Bang.....could not be created by itself.

>>131776506
See? Worthless.

>>131776512
Once you know that there is a God, the next step would be to figure out how many God or Gods there are.

Once you find out that there is only one God, the next step is to find out who that God is.

So logically you would examine the claims of everyone who said they were God, to see if you could determine which claim is correct.

>>131776647
Sorry for speaking out against this macro, it looked like an argument against Christians from glancing at it and I was probably tired. Perhaps you were the one that posted this in another thread.

>>131774774
Christian Rock was never an attempt at the word. It is jew music straight from Death Row Records

>Awesome God
Reunion recpods
SONY MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT
Provident label group
RCA/Jive Label Group
RCA/Jive configuration began as the BMG Label Group during the last year of the Sony BMG merger.
Bertelsmann is a German multinational corporation based in Gütersloh, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany.
>After World War II, the company portrayed itself to the Allied Control Authority as a Christian publisher that was part of the resistance to Nazism and allegedly persecuted.

>>131776170
God didn't just appear, He has always existed and will continue so forever.

>>131776647
We're in Ezekiel 37, sneaking into Ezekiel 38.

The first part of the Revelation, the letters to the church, indicate that we are in the 7th phase of the Church, the Laodeciean phase. The phase where they think they are rich, and well dressed, and have need of nothing, when in fact they are poor, and naked, and destitute.

I do not believe the breaking of the 4 seals that release the 4 horsemen have been broken yet, as the first, the antichrist, will not be revealed until after we are gone.

>>131776984
No problem, it's ok. That's specifically why I named it the way I did. So all those "paganfags" would take a look at it.

>>131776688
Junk. Just junk. What one would expect from someone with zero personal relationship with the living God.

>>131774774
Vast majority of Classical music is Christian music.
Classical music is when you're inspired by God, Christian rock happens when youre inspired by a jew.

>>131776197
this is pure obscurantism and you know it.

Basically what you're saying is "well nobody can know if there ever was a roman empire. I mean sure theres all these books that SAY there was, but then again were you there to see it? I don't think so. All you have is these ruins that you CLAIM are a part of rome, but you can't prove that. Ergo the world is 100 years old. BTFO"

its just silly.

>>131776272
tree rings

>>131776358
yeah and we know at what rate they do, thats how we know their age retard

>>131776289
>I guess i could make my own bible, make up whatever I want, and refer to it as a source of evidence, right?

You can try offcourse good luck so far only muhamad was successful , he also needed christianity

I am not providing evidence of anything i merely gave a biblical answer to your question

>so getting rid of Satan isn't important to him?

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>>131776573
>>131776699
>>131776648
Why do I even bother trying to reason with theist. You always avoid my questions and give me these bull shit answers.

>The heavens declare the glory of God, and the earth shows His handiwork.
>look at da skaiii it's so pretttyyyy = god
>How do we know Jesus was more than just a man?
>He wasn't
Seriously? That's your answer?
>God credits faith as righteousness
Why would I take anything on faith? I could easily have faith in the great god of JuJu and it would hold just as much water as your god.

Fuck it, I guess I'll never know if god is real. I really don't wanna go to hell, but I guess it can't be helped.

>>131777020
Might as well be. But again, if young kids like it and turn to Jesus, once again God will have turned what was meant for evil to good.

>>131777389
No i am saying
"carbon dating has blatant flaws that fuck with" age" of a specimen thus can not be trusted".

Roman empire had written documentation and dates on them ect ect. Much more reliable.

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>>131777411
>Why would I take anything on faith? I could easily have faith in the great god of JuJu and it would hold just as much water as your god.
This is why we ask you to listen to what Jesus Himself says, you can start with the Book of Matthew and it only takes as long as a Netflix TV show: http://www.divinerevelations.info/documents/bible/esv_mp3_no_ot_2ndversion/?dir=New_Testament

If you don't like the ESV audio, then go find another one, but ESV offers the most crisp audio in my opinion. God Bless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx0886C6eAg

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>>131777100
>will not be revealed until after we are gone.

Does this mean you believe in a "pre-trib" rapture?

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>>131776512
And the criticism of connecting it to Christian history is a different big argument. The first thing that the Christian needs to do is defend their worldview. Then try to connect it to the Christian historical claim.

>how Christians see the world

Most of Christian 4chan is Catholic or Orthodox and they wouldn't at all. The world is good. And Heaven isn't finally a disembodied state but a resurrection of the body.


>birth control

Is not stopping overpopulation in most places. Overpopulation occurs due to poor infrastructure, population density, and intentionally poor family planning. The focus on pumping out kids to have them work.

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Bumping for the sake of Christ.

>>131776925
> the next step is to find out who that God is.
the only way to do this is through theology and observation of natural law -and anyone who does, will ultimately reject the god of the jews

>>131777553
Most kids DONT like it, its a tool to brainwash them into the niggers are cool and Christians are lame.

>>131777662
You do realize I'm a former Christian and read the Bible cover to cover several times right? I'm aware what the scriptures say.

>>131777389
Which tree in particular are you mentioning?

>>131777389
Yes, the oldest tree rings are about 4600 years old.

There is one exception, where one man said he took a core sample, and decades later a different man said he found the core sample, and the rings numbered more than 4650 years old, but nobody else ever saw it.

If that doesn't smell like last month's fish to you, I can't help you.

Bump for the faith. Youtube bibletalk.tv and watch the gensis series, done well, each section is 30 mins long.

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Remembering to redirect to see for discussion of the basics of theism.

>>131776144
>>131776506
>>131776688

>>131777411
Many ways you can know Jesus was not just a man.

For one, He fed 10,000 people, many times, with just a few loaves and fish. Can any "just man" do that?

There's a laundry list of things Jesus did that no "just man" could do; gave the blind their sight, the deaf their hearing, the crippled their limbs restored; turned water into wine, walked on water, cured many lepers, calmed a storm, walked through people trying to kill him; raised a man from the dead after 4 days, and rose from the dead. You cannot read about Jesus and say "he's just a man; anyone could have done that."

You have to say the Word of God, the bible, is a lie, and there are consequences for that you are unprepared to face.

>>131774799
You're a true Christian, it is a great honor to be persecuted for Christ. I'm proud of you. I'm happy for you. Every step you take is worth 1000 of my steps.

>>131777705
Yes, I believe everything in the bible, not just the things I agree with. Paul expressly wrote of it to both the Corinthians and the Thessalonians.

>>131776170
There are many outlets, and many of it will be up to your faith and judgement. Here are some good things to watch when you have time in regards to the supernatural nature surrounding Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTtDhvk_aw4&t=52s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGUlWa2r-bk

As for the straight up existence of God? It is impossible for our universe to follow our understanding of logic. God did not simply appear out of nowhere, he was always there, no beginning, no end. The Universe itself could operate the same way you say, but why and how would it create without sentience? At the very least, I believe any logical person should support the notion that our existence is far beyond what our simple minds can understand, as at one point, there had to be an origin point which was not created by something else.

As for choosing the right denomination, it is difficult, but easy to narrow down. Just choose the one which is apostolic and has had the least human interference over the years, making it work like it was originally intended. Unfortunately, even those which are true to the origins are being influenced greatly in this day and age. I am Catholic for example, but the higher ups are corrupted and deviating from the original teachings of the Lord.

>>131777411
there is no hell
>>131777596
convenient how tree rings aren't reliable either

It's almost like any form of evidence that blows your literal interpretation apart is all of a sudden "not reliable".

You should really think about this

>>131777764
>Most of Christian 4chan is Catholic or Orthodox and they wouldn't at all.
Wrong, most of them are literalist prots

> The world is good.
The world is also bad, that's why it can be good at all

>Is not stopping overpopulation in most places.
That's my point - the christian worldview wants to fill the world with mongrel garbage and cut down every forest to build a new McChurch because they don't understand that the ideal form (or dao, whatever you want to call it) has nothing to do with jewish stories.

>>131777764
Catholic.

I wish I could wire your keyboard so that every time you tried to type "Christian" it came out "Catholic".

You have zero understanding of Christianity. Zero. All you know is what your priest shoved down your throat. And woe to any who believe you, for they will become twice the son of hell that they were before they met you.

>>131774799
You'll have to be well read enough to address him, as it will get out.

Any way we can help you with that?

>>131777769
So, so close.

>>131778419
>convenient how tree rings aren't reliable either
You never cited a tree older than 6,000 years old. You havent cited shit actually.

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>>131777898
I was once just like you. You also don't speak as if you've ever read the Bible in the Spirit or really knew Jesus.

You know the parable of the seed, where one of the seed couldn't grow any roots and when the sun came out it fizzled away? That's you.

This is why it's important to read the Bible in the Spirit, to repent of your sins and pray, and to grow in the Spirit. Many so-called Christians are Spirit-dead and many of them are falling away.

>>131777844
As I said, examine everyone who said they were God, and see if any of them convince you that they are God. That's logical, yes?

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>MAAH QWISTIAN BAWWWWWRD

>>131778419
The God who made the earth said He made a hell, too.

I believe Him.

>>131778597
>26 votes
Wow what a sample size

>>131778496
so it's not the objective superficial facts that matter but your emotions? aha

>>131778429
You keep posting this but can never defend your claim and keep trying to talk through me.

>Chemistry major

Explain to me why you think radiometric dating is inaccurate so I can tear your asshole open and maybe put a little knowledge up in there

>>131778339
>Catholic
That explains why you post with a flag representing murderers

>>131778616
And of course the Vatican's Chief Financial Officer, and therefore most important person, is under charges of pedophilia in Australia.

Anyone talking about that?

>>131773486

you are a mental midget

>>131778776
Prove it.

>>131778769
I gave you ample opportunity; in fact, I asked that you spend the next 200 posts in the thread, what, yesterday to tell us everything you know about Jesus.

You couldn't even make one single post. Knowing you, you spent last night gleaning what other people know about Jesus just in case I'm going to make the same offer.

I'm not.

You're a lost pagan who has no relationship with the living God, and have no idea how to begin one.

>>131778539
>As I said, examine everyone who said they were God
This is silly, God didn't ever become a human.
There were many humans that achieved divine knowledge, but the idea that you should "look at who said they were god" already presupposes that there is a HUMAN who was god - a snake trick to try to get you into the christian frame by default.

God coming down to the earth to save us from hell makes no sense. If that's true, then for millions of earth all kinds of hominid creatures suffered immensely just to survive&reproduce and for what? To be tortured forever by a jewish god. And then 2k years ago a guy comes along whose teachings aren't really that impressive compared to other spiritual modes and all of a sudden this same god is good?
Infantile.
Like i said, i worry for your soul, the trickster archetype is real and if there's any spiritual being that will fuck with you just to nab your soul and torture it, it's YHWH

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>>131778697
>so it's not the objective superficial facts
As I've said before, and this is said in the Bible, God credits faith as Righteousness. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. The spiritual realm is real and you don't even have to be a Christian to see it is evident.

Abram believed the Lord, and He credited it to him as righteousness. (Genesis 15:6)

>>131776784
I'm guessing you haven't taken any physics courses because if you have, then you'd know that the universe can create itself an infinite amount of times.

>>131778011

>Can God Prevent Evil?

>No

>Then God is not all powerful

That is not the only conclusion there is.

"God is constrained by the laws of logic and morality, not because he is subject to them as to a higher power, but because they express his own nature, and he could not violate or alter them without ceasing to be God."

http://praxeology.net/unblog03-04.htm#02

>>131778974
>the evidence of things not seen

what did he mean by this

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>>131778776
It dated igneous rocks created at the explosion of Mt. St. Helen's in 1980 as 3 million years old.

In fact, you have to ask for specific tests depending on what range of answers you want, because none of the tests will give you the same answer.

The fatal assumptions, and there are many more, are that you know what the starting conditions were, and that everything on earth has always been as it is now.

Helium diffusion is actually far more predicative as it effuses at a known rate, and is present in samples that should have outgassed all of their helium billions of years ago. Yet there it is.

>>131778946
I can't. Proof is purely mathematical. I can, however, provide actual mountains of evidence to support it. Instead of burning 30 minutes writing a post confirming the validity of radiometric dating, I'd much rather just address the problem areas. So, anyone willing to try to take it on?

>>131779013
>then you'd know that the universe can create itself an infinite amount of times.
Lmao implying you arent spouting hypothetically shit with no facts backing it. Your faith in science is like the average Christian faith in god.

>>131777898
Wow several times! Fuck that's a lot.

>>131778968
If I said every human, expand your search to every being.

>>131772415
Satan used to be an archangel, but he led a rebellion against God along with a third of the other angels

>>131779189
>I can't.
Then why should i believe you're a major anything except retard?
You can even snap your text book, projects, or certificate if you graduated?

>>131778968
The truth makes no sense with your worldview.

Which one are you going to go after? The truth? Or evidence for your worldview that makes no sense even on its own?

>>131778947
>I gave you ample opportunity; in fact, I asked that you spend the next 200 posts in the thread, what, yesterday to tell us everything you know about Jesus.

More accurately, you asked for info of Jesus separate from the church. I called this out for what it was: trying to separate the Body of Christ from its head - Jesus. To which you gave up entirely and began to talk through me again without ever addressing my comment.

Please cease being so foolish. There is no charity in maintaining these responses to me rather than explaining substantially.

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>>131779140
Once people die in their sins and end up in Hell, then they believe in God, but by that point it's too late because well, they can see it and it requires no faith. Does this make sense? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYCUtIRP30

You may not believe it, but every day you are alive is a blessing from God, He is giving you many second chances every day. Our time on this Earth is only temporary.

>>131778616
I see Vatican flags on /pol/ all the time. Usually it's just a proxy or an Italian inside the Vatican

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>>131778334

Can you point out to me where it says a pre-trib rapture will take place?

>>131779181
Yes and no. Radiometric dating on smaller samples is wildly imprecise. But, you do get converging data points if you take enough samples and test them, accounting for all the conditions which you believe to be affecting your sample.

Also, yes, of course you need different dating methods based on time scale. That's like saying measuring distance is inaccurate because sometimes you need a ruler and sometimes you need calipers.

There are other methods to date things, some more accurate, some less, but I'm defending radiometric dating only.

>>131779051
>That is not the only conclusion there is.

It's not a tenable conclusion for the proof at all. It's a joke image.

>>131778797
Crusades were defensive battles, at least those involving the templars.
Of course you will get violent men during the crusade when you call for men from every demographic to go fight. Do you expect mercenaries and criminals to be honorable?

Also, this has little to be with what I posted.

>>131778968
convenient of you to ignore this.
>>131778493

>>131778799
Alex is all over it today. Disgusting. The Vatican has a lot of redeeming itself to do.

>>131779195
It would explain many things, like how the universe isn't infinite, that this isn't the first universe created and such

and a hypothesis is an educated guess, spouting scriptures has nothing educated about it besides a lot of misinterpreted symbolism.

>>131778469
What do you mean by well read? Like in reading the bible?
I don't want to convert him or "prove" Christianity. I'm just afraid about him not accepting my faith.

>>131779013
I know that people who think they are intellectuals believe that fantasy, but no, it's nothing more than a godless fantasy. In fact, even a godless scientist would note that there are no infinite regressions possible or we would not be here right now. And even smarter one would note that there would be a loss of usable energy for each iteration, leaving us in heat death right now.

Why do you think the scientists like the catholic Big Bang so much? It's because they know this universe had a beginning, and both the scientists and Catholics put that beginning to chance, and not to God.

>>131779881
>It would explain many things,
Like what? The shit you also made up with no proof to back it?

>>131779325
>>131779325
>The truth makes no sense with your worldview.
No, it doesn't make any sense in yours. Christianity is diametrically opposed to the truth, which is why it's falling apart. Look at this very thread, you have no idea whether to go with a literal or tropological interpretation of the bible, since it's incredibly difficult to find any kind of merit in retarded jewish stories.

>>131779735
cba dude, macro evolution is just micro evolution + time, I don't believe you know shit about radiometric dating other than the 100 word snippet you read on GENESIS ANSWERS DOT COM or some shit

>>131779051
Yes.
And will do so on His timetable, not yours.

If you don't see the function of evil in life, why do you do so many evil things?

>>131779953
You didn't answer my fucking question at all.
I asked you to cite the trees you claimed to be older than 6,000 years old you dodgy fuck.

>>131779888
Knowledgeable of your position in reaction to his. This requires knowledge of Christianity, it's doctrines, and whatever would be apt to make comments to defend yourself.

>>131780098
for
>>131779999

>>131779140
Do you believe there are planets circling stars hundreds of millions of light years away?

You believe that on faith, because you have not seen them. You have reason to believe they exist; we have found many planets circling stars, and we are on a planet circling a star.

but you can believe there are more, millions more, billions more, even though you do not see them, because you have the ability to believe what you have not seen.

That ability we call faith, and everyone has faith, and uses faith daily.

>>131779316
>doesn't understand science
>tells me I couldn't possibly be a scientist because he doesn't understand science

Hey fucko, you can never prove theories. Have you ever heard of the fatal flaw of induction? It's a philosophical conundrum in which the only way to prove the validity of inductive reasoning is through inductive reasoning, meaning induction, as a whole, is circular. Science uses nothing BUT induction, therefore nothing can ever be logically guaranteed by science since it's basis is circular.

This is why philosophers hate scientists, and why scientists think philosophers are fuckwits. But it doesn't change the fact that science is fundamentally a philosophical method of investigation, and therefore it's conclusions must also be philosophically consistent.

This is why I can't "prove" that radiometric dating is accurate in the philosophical sense. I can prove that it is accurate in the basic definition of the word, but to do so would take hours, and you wouldn't even look at the stuff I wrote anyway. So instead of like to ask what problems you have with it, and address them directly.

>>131779888

Become a faggot one week later you tell your dad that god healed you from homosex

>checkmate dad

>>131779457
I literally asked you to post everything you knew about Jesus.

Your mind couldn't unlink your cult from Jesus, and so you came up with 0 posts about Jesus.

Because I told you, I can either talk about Jesus in a thread, or the catholic church, but not both as they are mutually exclusive subjects.

>>131780236
>I know more about science then you because i am in a major
>oh, prove it then
>no proof
wew.

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>>131779316
Unless you want me to prove that I'm going to university to study chemistry, in which case I have one textbook which the bookstore doesn't buy back and a couple notecards from my finals

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>>131779476

Its funny how this guy went to hell but he never died.

>mfw

>>131780472
>I have one textbook
Show me your thesis statement.

>>131779596
1 Thes. 1:9-10. They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

1 Thes. 5:9 that declares, “God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Isaiah 26:19-21. But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins.

Another is that the Church was purified at the cross at which time all the punishment due us was born by the Lord Himself. From that time forward the Church is considered by God to be as righteous as He is (2 Cor 5:17 & 21) The idea that the Church needs to undergo some discipline to become worthy to dwell with God is not scriptural and denies the Lord’s completed work on the cross.

And third, the stated purpose of the Great Tribulation is twofold, to purify Israel and completely destroy the unbelieving nations. (Jeremiah 30:1-11) The Church isn’t destined for either of these outcomes.

>>131779640
Simple question.

Was 1980 AD over 3,000,000 years ago?

If you cannot trust a test to test a known sample, how on earth would you trust it to test an unknown sample? This is K-Ar testing, not some fly by night C14 test on organic residue or bioplastic polymers.

>>131780573
And he doesn't understand the difference between a major and a PhD either. Wooooow

>>131780107
I don't want to start an argument/debate with him though. But if you are talking about strictly "defensive" arguments to things he might bring up, I'd agree.

>>131780249
Kek. Sad thing is, he'd probably have no problem if I came out as gay, as opposed to coming out as christian.

>>131779953
You think Christianity is falling apart.

The bible says that there will be a great falling away prior to the coming of the Lord.

You are basically believing in bible prophecy that you did not read, and did not know about.

Saying macro-evolution happens over time is a faith based statement, as neither you nor anyone else has every observed it.

>>131780745
So you don't plan on getting a PhD?

No thesis statement, no fruit, no authority.

>>131780697
Provide a source and I'll check their methodology. This either means their testing was inaccurate, sample was contaminated, or the testing was conducted on too small of a sample.

But just as a rule, you don't use Kr-Ar dating for samples younger than 20,000 years

>>131780911
I'm not going into research chemistry, I'm going to be a chemical engineer. Why would I slave away and pray for grants when I can make 6 figures my first year out of college?

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>>131779682
>Crusades were defensive battles, at least those involving the templars.
When did Jesus allow his followers to kill unbelievers?
>Do you expect mercenaries and criminals to be honorable?
No, I studied history and lived long enough to expect from a man anything but good. I did not expect so-called original Church to encourage war and redemption through answering call to arms.

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>>131780921
L.A. Marzulli on Evolution (Great Escathologist)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_FQxQTZ5eI

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>>131780291
>I literally asked you to post everything you knew about Jesus.

Do not be dishonest. You added more to it than that. Here is your post.

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/131558957/#q131571842

>talk about Jesus

Alright, what would you like to know?

>mutually exclusive

The Catholic Church bears the authority that Jesus gave the apostles and aids in guiding the earthly church.surely you can talk about both but they are explicitly connected. Jesus being the incarnation of God.

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>>131781020
>I'm not going into research
that's apparent.

>>131781053
A source means a research paper. Not some dickwad on a podcast.

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>>131781182
Research papers cite sources.

Are you going to cite research papers endlessly? You're a thoughtlet.

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>>131780863
Well yes, that was my point. Tell me if I can assist at all and how.

>>131781036

The main scriptural basis for Just War Doctrine is here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13%3A4

>>131776170
>How can I know that god exist?
Something for you to think about-

You take a group of people, put them into a dome. You teach them nothing, but only feed them beyond their need. You then decide to cut their rations down to the point that they would all only survive if they managed to share and spread the food equally among themselves.

Now these people are going to have a decision to make. They can either war with each other for dominance over the food, or they can take the moral path...divide it equally.

But see, these people haven't been taught anything, so their forced to think about what to do. So, say they chose moral choice. Now the morality is NOT coming FROM them. They're not creating morality. It hovered in their foresight as an option, as a path to adopt and walk down. They didn't create it. The moral choice was a pre-existing option for them to CHOOSE. So....Morality as we know it, the moral truth, it was made in advance for man to Choose. After it being chosen, it's then permitted to be walked on as a path of decisions fully equipped with justice and fairness. This pre-made path of charity...this is God. Or the nature of God. The same way every physical value in the universe was not created by us, either were the non physical values of consciousness. The moral truth is every bit of a sustaining law as any physical law.

As for denominations. It's proof that Christianity is not the problem, it's mans interpretation OF it. From the Torah, to the Bible, to the Quran. All you see is men struggling to find God, the Creator. The entire old testament is a testament to this struggle. Christians nowadays that are blind to their own hatred, thinking God, the creator has no capacity to allow change and therefore condemns on the spot. (Matthew 7:21)

As for Jesus Christ, it's God WITHIN Him, that moral truth WITHIN Him-- that was God in Jesus Christ. That's why God and Jesus were one. Again, just knowing the name "Jesus" isn't enough. Matthew 7:21

>>131780107
Catholicism.

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>>131781481
?

>>131781508
This hole you're digging gets deeper and deeper.

>>131781127
Research chemistry is a shitty thing to go into, little money and almost no real interest. If I went into biochem then maybe. But chemical engineering with a focus on petroleum products? I already have job offers and I haven't even started my senior year.

I still don't see your point. If you mean to say I'm not a qualified chemist then you're retarded. If you mean to say that research chemists are somehow geniuses then you have downs, you may want to see a doctor.

Still all this is beside the point, I'm here to explain radiometric dating to confused faggots, and you seem to be as confused as any faggot I've ever engaged with

I'm going to an Orthodox church for the first time next Sunday. What should I expect?

When my dad was in the Army, we went to the generic protestant service. When he retired we moved to a small town where everybody knew each other, so we went to a Methodist church because that's where all the other "outsiders" went so we didn't feel left out.

Are there Christian Alt Right YouTubers?

>>131781508
Well, gravity is quite well understood in its effects. Relativistic physics provides quite a comprehensive explanation of why it exists and what it is.

What in fucks name are you talking about?

>>131773486
Lucifer is part of the all mighty plan ..part of our test..

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>>131781652
Someone get this little "scientist" a bow tie.

>>131780921
Or K-Ar testing is wildly unreliable.

Mt. Etna – erupted 2100 years ago, but rocks were dated 25 million years ago.

Sunset Crater, Northern Arizona – erupted in 1065 AD, but rocks were dated 200,000 years old.
Lava flows at Mt. Ngaurhoe, New Zealand – erupted in 1949, 1954, but rocks dated 275,000 yrs old.

Hualalai basalt, Hawaii erupted 200 years ago, but rocks were dated 1.4 to 22 million yrs old.

Mt. Etna basalt, Sicily, erupted in 1971, but rocks were dated 140,000 to 350,000 yrs old.

Mount St. Helens erupted in 1980, but rocks were dated up to 2.8 million years old.

>>131781749
As of this video, Bishop Robert Barron has shown himself to be our guy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gX-dM-dokXc

Other YouTube's generally here. Not politically organized though.
https://pastebin.com/BW3T7qFS

>>131781309
Depends on the research. A paper purely for research purposes only publishes data and findings. These can later be used to support hypotheses or theories and can be included in other exploratory papers. Citation should always regress, but if you're basing your research on someone else's research, and they also used someone else's research, you better believe you're responsible to verify every piece in that chain of citation, because your career could depend on it

>>131780044
>If you don't see the function of evil in life, why do you do so many evil things?

It appears to me that free will is impossible without the chance for people to decide to make choices that are evil. God made free will. People made evil.

>>131781935
Wrong.

See how easy it is to say something without sources?

Citations please

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Why is God watching me masturbate?

Whatever, my previous line of questioning was getting nowhere. How about we talk some theology?

I want someone who's religious to answer, can god create a rock so large that he cannot lift it?

After you've answered this, explain what omnipotence means, since true omnipotence is self-defeating. To what extent is god able to do as he wishes?

>>131782504
>I want someone who's religious to answer, can god create a rock so large that he cannot lift it?

see

>>131779051

>>131782457
God sustains all things and so knows and "sees" all as God know what He sustains. If what you're doing is masturbating then God knows as God creates.

>>131782457
That's the baggage of being omniscient. I kind of doubt he's really paying all that much attention considering everything else going on in the universe.

>>131780888

You don't think there's already been a "falling away" yet?

I do have a question, do you believe the current country "Israel" is the Israel mentioned within Revelation, or do you think that it's Christians?

>>131781080
>Go ahead and take the next 200 posts telling us everything you know about Jesus without mentioning the Catholic church once.

Your response:

>>131571842
>baiting me to separating the body of Christ from Christ the head

Nice try

>>131781374
Thanks a lot for the help. I never had to really justify my belief to other people and therefore have no idea what kind of things would even be brought up.
Do you know a "list" or anything of the most common arguments made? Or maybe an idea on how to convince him that christians aren't all crazy gay-hating anti-science preachers?
Should I try to give him a better view of Christianity first before telling him later on?

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>>131782757
What is God doing WHILE I'm masturbating tho

>>131782769
I think God is paying VERY close attention to, considering She knows all

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>>131782707

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>>131782504

Serious question to those who believe that God helps heal the sick: Why has God never healed an amputee?

>>131781546
If you won't do it, I will. You do not speak for, or know anything about, Christianity.

So confine yourself to Catholicism.

>>131782914
Maybe don't worry about convincing him of anything, or whether he rejects you or not. Your own beliefs are your own decision, and it doesn't seem to me as though they would change the way you view your relationship with your family.

>>131782090
Angels and people made evil, yes.

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>>131782217
Investigate all of those first.

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>>131781374
>Just war
There's no such thing as "just war" in His vocabulary, all wars are evil and paganic in nature.

Psalm 146
>Put not your trust in princes,
>in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation.
>When his breath departs, he returns to the earth;
>on that very day his plans perish.

Jeremiah 8:8
>How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

1 John 5:19
>We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

5 Matthew 38-48
>You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth. But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well; and if someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?

Matthew 20.25-26
>But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant,

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>>131772047
Finally a decent thread.

>>131782784
I think it's incremental, and that the sudden and rapid falling away is a reference to the complete and sudden disappearance of all born again Christians, i.e. the rapture/harpazo.

>>131778011
This is a foolish perspective, because having the contrast of Evil sharpens Good.

Nothing is even discerned in 3 dimensions without contrast. Light itself needs to clash with something for that something to reflect it's image and be seen. Light is more than illuminating in the physical universe, it's also illuminating within consciousness. The moral truth of God itself quells anxiety and all fears. What is there to be afraid of, to the point you would rob, steal, or kill out of fear and anxiety of lack, if you KNEW the moral truth of God was not only for you, but shared WITH you. It then becomes a individual responsibility to choose the pre-made option of moral truth. In the event everyone would choose it...in the event every one would choose God..."evil" would have no room to operate.

Ephesians 6:12...Paul had it right. And if that's too fantastic of a scripture, in terms of his context, think of it as a war against degenerate pathology and degenerate ideology.

But again, nothing is even discerned in 3 dimensions without contrast, as light itself needs to clash with physical objects for them to reflect their image, and TIME creates priority for what an individual will deem as valuable. As time is limited to the physical body. Some men panic when they see how little time they have on earth...they'll proceed to exploit and take advantage of as many people as possible and chase all kinds of pleasures before they die. All out of a misplaced fear. Specifically a fear of lack in relation to something.

>that image
Now, crying about evil and claiming God isn't real because of it, is just you crying to mommy that she should rescue you at EVERY mistake you make. When the truth is, a calm sea never made a skilled sailor. As a sailor on rough waters, God is the compass, the target of navigation, in a BRIEF time frame, within a reality, where Evil is permitted to run freely. The presence of Evil creates turbulence and contrast. It can make you stronger.

>>131783301
Damnit poland, its a thumbnail
this is why you were invaded

>>131782984
Is absence of evidence now considered evidence of absence?

Jesus healed many crowds; everyone was healed.

He made a man a new set of eyeballs out of spit and mud.

What makes you think He cannot replace a limb? Is an eye not more complicated than a limb?

>>131782984
Prayer is a form of occult magick that works inside the mind to transfer you to a timeline where your prayer is true, you would have to be insane to skip to a universe far enough away where you have your arm grow back

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>be christian
>flea bite on scrotum
>scratch it and get erection
>tfw just masturbated and going to hell

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>>131782504
>can god create a rock so large that he cannot lift it?

Generally no, as such a power makes no sense. A rock impossible for an all powerful thing to lift is incoherent in concept. As such there is no reason to say such a power exists. Further, if we were to assume that the illogical were possible then we have lost all possibility to discuss God one way or another. I can say yes all day and you can never refute it on rational grounds.


Omnipotence is the having of all powers.
Omnipotence in relation to the two main conceptions of God is detailed here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaBL-5Ytv4

Classical Theism is what all pre-order Christian thinkers held and what denominations existing before modernity still hold.

Cheers!

>>131783301
Just war to Catholics is any war that murderers heretics (non-catholics, especially Christians).

>>131782936
God's sole act is creation/sustaining, Anon.

>>131783261
I gave it a shot, can't find any original sources. Only creationist nonsense. If you want to try to disprove such a fundamental and well understood concept in chemistry, you're gonna have to put in the legwork and pull some of the sources

>>131783467
Catholic thinkers.

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>>131782941

Well, it answers your question, genius, since it's Aquinas' position. Aquinas asked and answered your question, after all. Good job being a faggot.

>>131783456
>fleas
Cleanliness is next to Godliness anon. Sort yourself out.

>>131783391
>The presence of Evil creates turbulence and contrast. It can make you stronger.

That's the paradox. Clashing against evil with the intent to do good, brings for callus like armor. It strengthens the armor of good.

And in my opinion, which could be wrong...but I don't think all of this is meant to be easy.

>>131783546
Gee, then why did John say the world wasn't large enough to house the books regrding everything Jesus did?

See how ignorant of true Christianity you are?

>>131783415
You're missing my question. I'm asking people who believe God performs miracles and heals people TODAY why there has never in recorded history been a single case of a miraculous amputee growing an arm back.

>>131783238
These people are like the gift that keep on giving.

>>131783576
The creationist scientists, with the same degrees from the same universities, documented the labs they sent the samples to.

Your research skills are lacking.

>>131783546
Nani? Creation/sustaining of life?

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>>131783730
thats right

https://youtu.be/BLb3o65q0vk

>>131783613
Oh, I just read the post and it was too nonsensical to grace with an actual response. Sorry for triggering you

>>131783634
>no real counterargument
>I'm just gonna shitpost

>>131783726
And I'm asking you, once again, if the absence of evidence is equal to evidence of absence.

If you're missing a limb, repent and be saved and receive a whole new body in heaven.

>>131783791
What counterargument is there to a shitpost in the first place? If you have fleas on your junk you have bigger problems in your life than getting a stiffy.

>>131783826
Please stop dodging the question.

There are Christians out there who believe God heals people's cancer on this Earth, in this day and age, or cures their other ailments. If you do not believe that, this question is for you and I would prefer you refrain from answering it.

>>131783742
Then gimme the fucking peer reviewed papers. If they're sooooo easy to find, then link them

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>>131782914
It's old but you could use my pastebin for information.

https://pastebin.com/u/wolfshiem

If you want to find a good examination of Christianity's intellectual backing I can recommend Edward Feser as a good introduction.

People attempt to "refute" Christianity for all manner of reasons. I can't expect you to be fully versed but have enough to explain your own reasoning for your view.

>>131783467
I don't agree, but your position is logically consistent. So until it can be proven one way or the other, at least you can count yourself as one of the smarter theists

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>>131782984
>Why has God never healed an amputee?
He has, there are plenty of eyewitness testimonies of people's limbs and fingers being restored. There are prophets living amongst us today. If you look around you will see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoOmgvqDQcA


And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. (John 21:25)

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>>131781374
Matthew 26.47-54
>Then they came up and laid hands on Jesus and seized him. 51And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword and struck the servantg of the high priest and cut off his ear. 52Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”

Matthew 5.5, 5.9-10
>Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
>Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons a of God.
>Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

John 11.25
>Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die.

Matthew 16:24-26
>Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

I can go on all you want.

>>131783008
I asked what you wanted to know of Jesus so I can speak on it. Focus there.

>>131783926
I have seen God heal a hole in a heart; I have seen God give the blind sight; I have seen God give the deaf hearing; I have seen God cure cancer; I have seen God make tumors disappear; I have seen God give impossible aid in preserving my life on many occasions.

Jesus can easily restore a lost limb. On several occasions He healed the withered and palsied limbs of people in Jerusalem.

He created the universe.

So for me, the question is easy. Which is more difficult? Creating the universe, or restoring a lost limb?

But then I run into asshats like you who swear that Jesus never healed an amputee. And what is your evidence?

That you have no evidence that He did.

That you believe the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

Jesus is going to take the bodily remains of people dead for 6000 years and restore their bodies.

Do you really think He cannot regrow limbs?

>>131784006
I find that if people are interested in something, they look it up for themselves.

I find that people who are too lazy to look things up for themselves are not really worth my time, either.

>>131784122
Catholicism's intellectual backing.

"refute" Catholicism.

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>>131784304
Have you seen God give me a girlfriend yet though? I'm still waiting, and it's killing me inside.

>>131784213
Everything you know about Jesus filled zero posts.

I think my point was well made.

And then you had to go lie about it, on top of that.

Shame.

If you knew anything about the new covenant, about the covenant promised by God through Jeremiah in the 31st chapter, you would know that Christians don't have to tell each other who Jesus is. We all know.

That what you know about Jesus fills zero posts means you are not a Christian, a point I will hammer home until the horse I'm beating is not only dead, but undergoes fusion.

>>131784376
You think I'm interested in reading the ravings of scientists whose careers are failing? I'm here because I'm bored but don't work for another 2 hours so I have some time to kill.

But, you clearly don't have a powerful argument if you're so reluctant to provide substantiation

>>131784484
Seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.

Seek is an active word, while wait is a passive one.

Seek.

>>131783328
>I do have a question, do you believe the current country "Israel" is the Israel mentioned within Revelation, or do you think that it's Christians?

I do have a question, do you believe the current country "Israel" is the Israel mentioned within Revelation, or do you think that it's Christians?

>>131784484
God helps those who help themselves. Christianity isn't living life with all the cheat codes enabled.

>>131784648
Where do I start "Seeking" out my beloved then? Church?

>>131784622
No, I think you're terrified to begin to understand that the godless worldview you're clinging to in order to not be responsible to God for the life He gave you is falling apart.

And if you think 6 million years of radioactive decay took 6 million years, answer me this question.

What happened at t=0+?

Kek is the praise KeK

>>131784694
But my pastor said he was typing in the cheat codes when his fingers went up my ass.

I believe him since he's an ordained man of god, and you're a random person on the internet

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>Worship a pacifist kike, whose teachings are currently destroying europe.

No.

>>131784666
What they are calling "Greater Israel" now is the actual Israel that will be present during the Millennium.

After Israel takes 7 months to bury the muslim bodies that God kills, of course.

It's not really about Israel; that's to provide for the Jews. It's always been about Jerusalem, the seat of power for the entire earth.

>>131784694
>God helps those who help themselves.

That's Islam, not Christianity.

>>131784750
If you want to snag a Christian girl that would be an obvious place to start. People do all manner of social things, apps, you name it to find potential mates though.

I can tell you for sure that if you just slide through life it's pretty rare that a girl would even want to give you the time of day.

>>131784750
Seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and His righteousness.....

Start there.

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>>131784761
>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
>but as touching the election, they (Jews) are beloved for the father's sakes.
>but as touching the election, they (Jews) are beloved for the father's sakes.
>but as touching the election, they (Jews) are beloved for the father's sakes.

STOP BEING A GOOD GOY

REJECT CHRISTKIKENITY

>>131784925
Life would be so much easier with the cheat codes enabled. I'm quite decadent and quiet, guess thats why I'm still in the situation I'm in.
>>131784962
>Seek ye first the Kingdom of God
Explain, I really don't understand but would like to.

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>>131784484
I know this may sound lame, but I got on my knees and prayed to God for a girlfriend. I quoted Scripture since it is His Word. I said, God, You even said in Your Word this and that. This was during the time I was repenting of my sins, giving up my addiction to pornography and masturbation as well.

I think it was a few months later that He answered my prayers, I'm now with my girlfriend.

>>131784751
Ok, not being sarcastic I'm genuinely confused, what do you mean by t=0+?.

At first I thought you meant O, capital O, as a replacement for omicron which signifies like 3 different things depending on what field of science you're looking at, but no it's a 0. What does it mean?

>>131772946
Christianity spread to Europe, Africa and all the way to Asia without a bible. The new testament wasn't compiled until around 400. Jesus built a family, he didn't dictate a book. The bible only became important like it is today post reformation

>>131785195
Well get out and get used to socializing. If church is something that feels particularly comfortable to you then get involved in church-related activities. If not, then find something else you enjoy doing.

Nobody said life was going to be easy.

>>131782984
Well there are Christian claims for the healing of an amputee so what are you talking about? Miracle of Calanda, the cut off ear in Like, etc.

Since there are claims, why do you make the claim that God won't do it?

>>131785222
Doesn't sound lame, I'm on the verge of doing it myself, crying out to God for some support. I like my own company but I want some companionship in the form of the opposite sex. Congrats on being granted a gf, I hope she's a qt. Also, checked.

>>131785390
Not post reformation, the texts still existed, they just hadn't been conglomerated or translated like Emperor Constantine had done. The book of John was a huge factor in the spread of Christianity in Roman conquered lands even before Christianity was the official religion

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DAILY REMINDER: Christianity is a jewish religion, and has no place in europe.

>>131785195
If you want to be in God's Kingdom, you must be one of God's children. In order to become one of God's children, you must repent and be saved. The way you're saved is outlined in the bible, Romans 10:9-13, and consists of confessing with your mouth, that is to say out loud, that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead.

Once you do that, and the Holy Spirit enters into you and resurrects you to eternal life, you are now in the Kingdom of God, forever, and you have now been imputed the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

So it's basically saying that the most important thing you can do in your life is to repent, and be saved. And once done, all of the other things you need like air, food, water, clothing, and yes, a mate, will be given to you.

God did not spare His only begotten Son, but gave Him to us to be murdered. He's not withholding anything from us.

>>131785096
>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
>but as touching the election, they (Jews) are beloved for the father's sakes.
>but as touching the election, they (Jews) are beloved for the father's sakes.
>but as touching the election, they (Jews) are beloved for the father's sakes.
>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
>but as touching the election, they (Jews) are beloved for the father's sakes.
>but as touching the election, they (Jews) are beloved for the father's sakes.
>but as touching the election, they (Jews) are beloved for the father's sakes.

>>131783301
The basis came from Paul. Paul was sent to speak for the church on behalf of Christ.

>>131785355
When there was no time, and then there was time, t=0.

What happened at the smallest increment of time after that? (If you know, go collect your Nobel.)

>>131785523
Catholic.

Religion is good because 3/4 of humanity is hopelessly retarded and it keeps you half conscious apes in check.

There are good people who do good things .. there are bad people that do bad things .. but for good people to do bad things it takes religion ..

>>131785575
Europe will be broken with a rod of iron wielded by the Almighty.

>>131785647
Paul put forward no just war doctrine.

Your bloody murderous cult did that on its own, being nothing more than an extension of the bloody murderous Roman empire.

Again, Paul is included in Christianity, about which you know nothing.

>>131785575
>GALATIANS 3:28
Literally proof that christkikenity is not compatible with ETHNO-NATINALISM
>ROMANS 11:1
Literally proof that Jesus was a kike, and christkikes are like those nu-/pol/ retards praising "le based jews"
>ROMANS 11:28
Literally proof that Jesus loved Jews as a nation but disliked their traditional religion.

>>131785952
Correct on all counts. Now think about what you're saying.

You're calling God a kike.

He might not appreciate that, and it will not go well for you.

>>131783391
The image is a joke and doesn't follow from the premise. Calm your shit.

>>131783600

...?
Yes?

>>131783661

Yes, summing it up crudely like I did it all we can do to make sense of it. There is too much detail for us to list it all.

You jump to conclusions too quickly.

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Militant Atheism is far better than Christianity and, as my own observations have shown, a far more rational system both in the political realm as well as the realm of explaining the origins of the Universe.
Quit being faggots.

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>>131785810
Brainwashed kike servant, The Gods of europe are pagan.

>>131786055
You are also saying that God is some dumb jerk who gets mad at people for calling him names.

>>I would like proof of God
>JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS GOD GOD GOD GOD JESUS GOD JESUS GOD

>>131785423
Desperate times call for desperate measures I think.
>>131785467
Yes, life is tough. I need to take action because I'm wasting away wondering why I'm miserable and without companionship and love, yet I do nothing to fix it.
>>131785604
I've already confessed with my mouth that Jesus is Lord and that I believe he rose from the dead. I try to repent for my sins regularly but haven't gotten into the habit of it yet. I need to pray everyday.

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>>131785647
Matthew 14.25-27
>If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple.


Matthew 6.19-21
>Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


Matthew 19.21-24
>"If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

Luke 6.24-26
>“But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.
>“Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry.
>“Woe to you who laugh now, for you shall mourn and weep.
>“Woe to you, when all people speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.

John 18.36
>“My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

Your Babylonian Whore in Rome can lie, but it won't change the Truth.