/Christ/chan CHRISTIAN GENERAL - I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL,

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"Our Father dwelling in the heavenly realms, may the glory of Your Name be the center on which our lives turn.

Manifest Your kingdom-realm, and cause Your every purpose to be fulfilled on earth, just as it is fulfilled in heaven!

We acknowledge You as our Provider of all that we need each day.

Forgive us the wrongs we have done as we ourselves release forgiveness to those who have wronged us.

Rescue us every time we face tribulations and set us free from evil.

For You are the King who rules with power and glory forever!”

Amen.

Matthew 6:9-14

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Daily Communion

(1) Read scripture or Pray.

(2) Repent sins.

(3) Break Bread (The Body of Christ Jesus) in the Name of the Father Jehovah, in the Name of the Son Jesus Christ of Nazareth, in the Name of the Holy Spirit the Counselor.

(4) Read scripture or Pray.

(5) Drink Wine or Grape juice (The Blood of Jesus Christ) in the Name of the Father Jehovah, in the Name of the Son Jesus Christ of Nazareth, in the Name of the Holy Spirit the Counselor.

(6) Read scripture, Pray or Sing.

Only book I read is the Bible.... And art of the deal

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Perry Stone shares visions he has received about coming tsunamis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAq1NTM3Vvs

Perry Stone: "I was right outside of Charleston South Carolina and in this vision I was in a duplex and there was a woman taking pictures at the bottom, I could see the city, it was a real clean, nice city, clear day and I looked over to the right and I saw a bridge in the bridge had a big interstate sign that said Charleston and I knew I'm near Charleston South Carolina it must be across the bridge, well I didn't know there were bridges connecting there, I had no idea because I had never preached in Charleston… and all of a sudden I saw a dark cloud forming I said “oh my goodness is trouble coming and this lady is out taking pictures and I'm trying to hit the window saying get to safety, get to safety."

Take this retarded shit to
>>>/x/
Your religious threads have no place in a politics board (only tangentially, which you can apply literally any topic as such). Fuck, I hate that the world is relying on retards worshipping a literal Jew to fend off the Islamic horde.

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>>131718050
This has plenty to do with politics

https://www.spreaker.com/user/trunews/trunews-06-19-17

Rick Wiles: Prophetic Warning, Debt Tidal Wave Towering Over Sleeping America

The never-ending political hoopla to delegitimize the election of President Donald J. Trump is a smokescreen to divert our attention away from a financial tsunami wave that is rising higher at a furious speed. President Ronald Reagan’s director of the Office of Management and Budget David Stockman said it correctly days ago when he told CNBC, “This is one of the most dangerous market environments we’ve ever been in. It’s the calm before a gigantic, horrendous storm that I don’t think is too far down the road.”

Meanwhile, legendary investor Jim Rogers told Business Insider days ago, “Some stocks in America are turning into a bubble. The bubble’s gonna come. Then it’s going to collapse, and you should be very worried.” Mr. Rogers predicted the crash would happen later this year or 2018. The 74-year-old billionaire said the financial crisis will be the worst in his lifetime.

Mr. Bill Gross, also a billionaire, said last week that U.S. markets are experiencing levels of risk at the highest levels since the 2008 financial crisis. The Holy Spirit showed me this mega storm in 1998. It’s been coming in successive waves. A monster-size tidal way is headed our way very soon.

>>131718134
>prophecy
>>>/x/

>>131718435
>>>/lgbt/

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https://youtu.be/a1ox1rPyZjM

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>>131718435
Repent

Convince me christianity is true

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>>131719434
That's not our job, that's yours. Listen to what Jesus Himself said, start with the book of Matthew: http://www.divinerevelations.info/documents/bible/esv_mp3_no_ot_2ndversion/?dir=New_Testament

>>131718050
>Take this retarded shit to
>>>>/x/
>Your religious threads have no place in a politics board (only tangentially, which you can apply literally any topic as such). Fuck, I hate that the world is relying on retards worshipping a literal Jew to fend off the Islamic horde.

Oh okay let's go back to posting cuck thread after racemixing thread after eceleb thread then.

>>131718050
>>131718435
>>>/lgbt/
bump

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https://youtu.be/YHhhrWQGzk0

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Orthodox reading list

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Its our only salvation

>>131720146
https://soundcloud.com/florian-geyer-9/two-paths-audiobook-reading-chapters-1-2
https://soundcloud.com/florian-geyer-9/two-paths-audiobook-reading-chapter-3

Also a really good book. Free audio version read by the host of Mysterium Fasces

>>131720577
Thanks anon

So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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>>131721254
Amen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx0886C6eAg

>>131719434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmHXYhpEDfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqsAzlFS91A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcRFYGr1zcg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdHFU1Hsd-w

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https://www.youtube.com/user/GoreBruce/

>>131717749
Bump for the good lord.
Aside from all the crap i've been through the man lightens up my heart. I hope i understand it one day completely

>>131717749
I've been running for a while guys.
Ended up chasing pleasure, had premarital sex with two different women. Was angry at God for with holding these "joys" from me, but when those relationships ended I was left with emptiness and fearful for future relationships and what these past women might mean for me. I don't want to have the baggage, but now it's strapped to me. I should have obeyed and stayed faithful.
Additionally, the kinds of people I found myself spending time with continually just kept revealing how broken their lives are and how corrupt their hearts. Men with girlfriends talking about chasing other women, even married women. I couldn't believe it. I had to walk away.
I know through Jesus there is forgiveness and I want to seek Him once more. It's been so long since I spent time in the word of God. Any encouragement would be much appreciated. I consider myself a Christian, but know fully that I was engaged in a sinful lifestyle and was rejecting God in the process. Pray for me famalams.

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https://youtu.be/ecV1NHmELuA

>(((fourth crusade)))

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>>131717749
Why do you guys believe in God? It sounds kind of retarded anon

>look up sexual rules from the bible

>ONLY within marriage ONLY for the purpose of procreation

0% chance of me fulfilling this
am i going to hell?

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>>131724037
you probably believe this don't you?

>>131724037
Why don't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ii-bsrHB0o

>>131724360
Either only in marriage or remain celibate entirely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RkZXZx6HCI&t=1056s

>>131724360
>0% chance of me fulfilling this

Are you saying that preemptively or are you describing past behavior?

Christ will absolve us of our past sins if we believe and repent.

But that doesn't mean you can go on doing the same things you did before. Faith in Christ will make you a new person. For example, before, I watched porn all the time. I downloaded it. I was a slave to it. But now I just don't feel an urge to look at it. Yes, I feel temptation via bodily urges, but I try not to succumb to it.

>>131724360
Repent and never turn back. Live a holy life, ask for help from God. I quit fapping cold turkey almost a week ago after repenting and have barely had urges, like 1/10th of what I had when I tried before.
Easily ignorable if I just go do something like pray or read the bible. My appetite was also cut in half. The holy spirit truly fulfills you like nothing else can.

>>131724360
>>131725028

John 8:11

"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

>tfw going to confession tomorrow
>been struggling with fapping for two years now since my conversion
I seriously hate myself for this. Please pray for me brothers. I need the Lord to change my heart.

>>131724528
There is no proof that a god exists. Nothing substantial and undeniable. Therefore the default position is a lack of belief. If you weren't raised in a church, like I wasn't, and had access to the internet at the same time, you'd likely not believe in any religion.

Seriously though, the reason I don't believe in any religion is the same reason I don't believe in 99.9% of conspiracy theories. The evidence, or lack thereof, just doesn't add up to the conclusion, so occams razor leads to believing a simpler explanation and/or realizing that we can't know everything and assuming the positive claim is true despite lack of evidence is stupid.

>>131725215
I don't want to come off as confrontational/accusatory, but I am curious as to why you feel the need to confess to a priest?

Should not we confess to God?

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>>131723625
Your story is very similar to mine. Remember, God looks at your heart, man looks on the outside. I will pray for you.

The devil has soft warm lips, whenever you make love with him, it is all short-lived. Some people want the devil's power, and cannot live without it.

God (Jehovah, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit) loves you from everlasting to everlasting. The Love of God is fulfilling. He has the real Power. Fleshly love does not last, it is here today and gone tomorrow. Get yourself in the Spirit and seek God (Jehovah, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit). Pray, and pray and He will listen. Repent of your sins and stay away from Satan's warm lips. Run back to the Father. Read your Bible cover-to-cover in the Spirit. God Bless.

>>131724692
>Are you saying that preemptively or are you describing past behavior?

both.
ive been trying to become a better person (and not contribute the societal collapse) by following this stuff. most stuff seems simple enough except this

if i get married, but only have sex for procreation, i can have sex 2-5 times EVER before its not financially viable

it would make sense back in the day when you had to have as many kids as possible, but now having that many would screw you over

>>131725028
i can quit for a few months at a time, but i usually mess up eventually

>>131725287
Anon, before I begin, I'd like you to answer something with honesty:

If I provided you with evidence, whether it be philosophical or historical or personal or any else, would you be willing to take an honest look and reevaluate your position?

>>131725307
The priest is the mediary to help me confess my sins. I am asking God for forgiveness.

>Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail. - James 5:16

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>>131725287
>The evidence, or lack thereof
You need faith. God credits faith as righteousness. By the way, this isn't religion, this is spirituality. God is Spirit, and those that worship Him must worship in Spirit and in Truth. He is seeking such followers.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (Hebrews 11:1)

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>>131725525
Jesus is your intermediary. Your priest for all we know could also be suffering from porn addiction. Weren't those priests in Australia convicted for child molestation? The blind leading the blind, they both fall into the _______.

Get in the Spirit and seek God (Jehovah, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit). Read your Bible.

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>>131725287
I wasn't raised in a church. I converted two years ago at age 21. I used to be a staunch atheist, more of an anti-theist. I used to hate God but now I realize I need him.

You literally can not be helped if you harden your heart to the truth.

I have a problem. I'm christian and baptized and lived my life like this. When I fap i'm aroused by gay stuff and straight stuff (the gay stuff is all cartoon though) but I am turned off by real men and would never have sex with one. Am I secretly gay or something?

>>131725398
>ive been trying to become a better person

What are your motivations? Would you say you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? If not, are you willing to begin one?

>if i get married, but only have sex for procreation, i can have sex 2-5 times EVER before its not financially viable


I disagree that sex be used exclusively for procreation. Yes, it should remain confined between a man and wife, but I think God made sex pleasurable for a reason.

I'll let Scripture speak on this issue:

1 Corinthians 7:3-5 (ESV)

3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

>>131725287
>I don't believe in 99.9% of conspiracy theories

>The evidence, or lack thereof, just doesn't add up to the conclusion

if you lurk here enough, youll find that most "conspiracy theories" actually turn out to be true

also, imo if you dont believe in god you can still find some valuable information here. For every thing the bible says to not do, theres a good reason for it, and it mostly has to do with maintaining a peaceful and prosperous society

thats why you see so much religion here. loads of people ended up going from degeneracy to politics to philosophy, then religion

tl;dr: it doesnt matter if you believe in god, follow the teachings and youll live a better life

>>131725287
Also watch these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBu_Jw61UZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Xsp4FRgas&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM&t=2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB7d5V71vUE&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQAi0u5Rs0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ie9musGEqQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ii-bsrHB0o

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>>131717795
Amen.

>>131725525

1 Timothy 2:5

" For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

It is important that we have fellowship as Scripture tells us, but I find the idea of equating a priest to a mediator between us and God as unbiblical.

>>131717749
You didn't include the "hate your family in comparison to me" part

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>>131725870
No you're not secretly gay, you suffer from HOCD. You have warped sexual tastes due to heavy porn addiction. You need to reboot, which takes at least 90 days, usually takes much longer. Read more here on how to reboot your brain: https://yourbrainonporn.com/reboot_your_brain

And yes, watching porn and masturbation is sin. This is one of the way the devil keeps men suppressed worldwide. You need to get on your knees and cry out to Jesus to free you from this bondage. Do it now. Time is running out. The End is at your doorstep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv-f3-k0XiY

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>>131725287

>>131725870
Lust twists and warps your sexual desire. It's perversion. You can't be "gay", you can only have a warped sexuality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RkZXZx6HCI&t=1056s

>>131726252
>>131726302
>hetero porn makes you queer
>you cant be queer only distort things
What?

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>>131726240
Loving Jesus doesn't mean you automatically "hate your family." Read the Bible in the Spirit.

>>131726416
>6

>>131725973
This is not good advice. The purpose of humanity is not to live a "good life" nor is following rules of morality and being a "good person" even possible without Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fR1vSxNEQ

>>131726234
Not a mediator as in a savior, one who brings us back to God through his payment for our sins. That's what you are confusing. I simply mean a servant of the Lord who can help others find God's grace. Would you not say your pastors do the same?

>>131726372
Read the post again.

>>131726453
>nor is following rules of morality and being a "good person" even possible without Christ

how isnt it?
inb4 its in the video, im watching it now


also, if the guy doesnt believe in god ,hes not going to even bother trying to follow the teachings. at least if he does it out of curiosity hell have less of a chance of becoming a total degenerate

>>131726665
There were two of them. Let's try this exercise again. Two different IDs post completely wacky and bass ackward posts ironically talking about the same thing in response to another user. I greentext them both and show the contradictions. You dont answer me

>>131726615
> I simply mean a servant of the Lord who can help others find God's grace. Would you not say your pastors do the same?

There's nothing wrong with that, I just find the Catholic idea that believers MUST go to a priest and confess as unbiblical.

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>>131726038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Xsp4FRgas&t=1s

This one's good, thanks for sharing

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>>131717749
Reminder that the enemy is aware of our movements

>>131726797
Nobody said that hetero porn makes anyone queer. The anon asked if he was "gay" and the fact is that no one has normal homoerotic sexual desires. It's a perversion of normal sexuality. Heterosexuality outside its intended use is also a perversion.

>>131725469
>philosophical
Philosophy explores the workings of the human mind, not the natural world.
>historcal
Would be difficult to prove, and also very incomplete (finding, say, a huge ass boat ancient or evidence of global flooding wouldn't prove the existence of a god, just that someone managed to make a huge ass boat and global flooding happened at some point)
>personal
Anecdotes don't constitute legitimate evidence without (hopefully some kind of blind or double-blind) verification. "Visions" or "warm feelings" or "speaking in tongues" or anything of that sort wouldn't count due to the extreme social pressure aspects alongside the ability of our brains to hallucinate.

Not to mention that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, thus, say, an insanely advanced alien race could pass as gods, or we could be living in a simulation, etc.

I don't know what would convince me desu, I've heard so so many faulty arguments and "proofs" that just don't hold water under the smallest amount of scrutiny, and there are so many other possibilities beyond the supernatural that could explain the unknown parts of our natural world. Hit me though. Show me what you got.

>>131727257
Philosophy is not just the human mind, it explores things like existence. I might have been using the term wrong so just know that I mean things not scientific (ie. not directly testable, such as gravity).

Okay, I'm sure you accept that the universe had a beginning. That's the scientific consensus. But it's also a provable fact through simple deductive argument.

Our first premise is that everything that has a beginning has a cause. Something cannot come from nothing. If something could come from nothing, then it would make sense that anything and everything would spontaneously come into existence. But they don't.

I mentioned earlier that the universe had a beginning, that's something that we most likely both agree on. If we accept that something cannot come from nothing, that that which has a beginning has a cause, does it not follow that the Universe must have had a cause?

Before I go further I'd want to see your input on this so far.

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>>131727257
I've read prophecies where God repeatedly states He is Everything, the Bible says God is Alpha and Omega

Suddenly this makes sense...

Bump
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>>131727257
https://youtu.be/XbLJtxn_OCo

>>131728266
its sound, if premise 2 is true
if that cant be proved then the whole thing is shot

>>131726453
what im not getting form this is why the individual is greater than than the society?
most societies fall when they stop following the teachings anyway

one thing i can see is that if you dont belive, you can find youself doing terrible things in private since youll think they dont hurt anyone, but even then if you logically believe that everything has an effect, you could get rid of that thought

you could say that you could do harm because the materialist and the christian are chasing different goals, but if everything in the bible TRULY makes sense, the materialist should come to the same conclusions, shouldnt they?

>>131728263
>Okay, I'm sure you accept that the universe had a beginning.
Not quite. We know the universe expanded from the big bang onward. We don't know what happened, if anything, "before" then (our 4th dimension time models kinda break before that, thus I put "before" in quotes). The universe could have existed forever in some form, or our knowledge of physics may be incomplete in the "creating matter/energy" department considering how insane quantum physics is and how many unsolved questions there are in that field.

>Something cannot come from nothing.
I'm not sure we know this though. Define "nothing." Seriously, it's non-trivial to actually do. If by nothing you mean a vacuum, there's still vacuum energy (likely caused by virtual particles which could be considered to "come from nothing" on their own), so that's not nothing. If we're in a simulation, nothing wouldn't even be possible, it'd just be numbers stored in our simulation's ancestor.

In conventional physics, this premise would be sound. I wouldn't say it's sound in the realm of quantum physics though.

So no, I already don't entirely agree with you. For posterity, let me complete your argument and respond to it. If your take on it is different than the norm, please correct me

"So the universe had to come from somewhere!" - the premises were fault already as explained above, so this might not hold. If it did hold though...

"The universe must have come from god" - Except that also wouldn't hold unless your "god" in this argument is extremely general, and indistinguishable from the runnings of ancestor simulation, a deist/pantheistic sort of god, or the compression of a previous state of our universe. Even if the conclusion did hold (which it doesn't IMO), you'd need to go further to prove your personal god.

>>131729001
>if that cant be proved then the whole thing is shot
There is lots of evidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Xsp4FRgas&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB7d5V71vUE&t=1s


>what im not getting form this is why the individual is greater than than the society?
In the Christian worldview, human beings are eternal. Earth is not. Humans can choose their fate, to be with God, or without him. Earth's fate is already sealed, the material is not eternal.

>but if everything in the bible TRULY makes sense, the materialist should come to the same conclusions, shouldnt they?
Well in this case, we're dealing with humans. Sinful humans, who are in a natural state of opposition to God. When I was a materialist/atheist, I tricked myself into believing that God couldn't possibly be real and that my own desires were best for everybody. I now realize that it was my underlying hatred of God that I rejected truth, even though I could not recognize it.

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>>131717749
Always post in Christian threads. Always reply to Christian posters. Never stop the fight against atheistic communism.

>>131729849
https://youtu.be/_ie9musGEqQ

>>131730004
>I tricked myself into believing that God couldn't possibly be real and that my own desires were best for everybody

but if your desires were to follow the teachings of god, while still remaining skeptical, would that still even cause harm?

i never thought about the earth not being eternal thing though, but suppose you never saw definitive proof that god existed, but still followed the bible because you believed it was the right thing to do? would that still make you a bad person?

It's definitely not easy being Anglican right now. You see the beauty of the faith but then also see it so heavily corrupted.

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Hey guys! Check this video out. SJW's are going insane because of it.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ygKmo-Tuo

What do you guys think?

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>>131717749
How does a fedora find Jesus?

>>131725307
The idea is a teacher student role or for mutual support. Protestants don't require confession to anyone but the one true God, but think of it like an AA meeting

>>131730368
Never stop wanting to give your fellow man a hand when he's down.

>>131730552
>would that still even cause harm?
>but still followed the bible because you believed it was the right thing to do? would that still make you a bad person?
Well you're missing the central issue. We're already bad people. We have not held to the morality we are expected to and we must be held to account for our actions if there is a truly righteous judge. In short, we're doomed to hell. That is the whole message of Christianity.

But God in his love "came down from heaven" and payed for our sins and suffered for our iniquities. We have been given the free gift of forgiveness.

https://youtu.be/hdHFU1Hsd-w

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>>131730748
>What do you guys think?
I think the Jehovah Witness (i.e. Watchtower Society) is a cult.

>>131726240
Quick! Tell us how it's all a ripoff of Egyptian paganism and cherry pick Leviticus!

>>131730748
That isn't the silliest one though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRoETHf6kpU&t=75s

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>>131730856
If you're being serious, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). God has already done all of the work. All you must do is receive, in faith, the salvation God offers (Ephesians 2:8-9). Fully trust in Jesus alone as the payment for your sins. Believe in Him, and you will not perish (John 3:16). God is offering you salvation as a gift. All you have to do is accept it. Jesus is the way of salvation (John 14:6).

Faith without works is dead, start by listening to Jesus Christ directly in the Scriptures. Start from the Book of Matthew: http://www.divinerevelations.info/documents/bible/esv_mp3_no_ot_2ndversion/?dir=New_Testament


God Bless.

>>131730496
And... that video just spends 12 minutes reiterating the exact same argument.

Also "our universe appears to have come from nothing" less than a minute in. No, that isn't the consensus, it's an unknown.

And one more thing. If you can say "everything has a cause, so what created the universe... it was god" I can ask "everything has a cause, so what created the god that created our universe?" It'd be a never-ending cycle of which god is uncecessary. Replace god with anything ("a previous universe," "an ancestor simulation," etc) and the same question happens.

The problem is, "nothing" seems to be an unstable state since virtual particles kinda just pop in and out constantly and at random (i.e. vacuum energy)

>>131730856
Depends. Are you a full on "only science is real" atheist or a "I hate my stepdads church!" Atheist?

>>131730856
Don't listen to the bullshit artists.

Just keep your heart open and maybe you'll catch it. Or maybe you won't.

>>131731276
>virtual particles kinda just pop in and out constantly and at random

Isn't that a faulty argument though?

You're citing something that happens within our universe as evidence of said universe resulting from the same behavior.

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>>131725287
Quantum Physics, Laws of Physics, Abiogenesis, Mathematics, Consciousness, String Theory

the way Jehovah God is described in the Bible. This is why Theoretical Physicist and Quantum Theorist:

>(Isaiah 44:6) “This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.

>(Revelation 1:8) “I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

>(Revelation 21:6) And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Al′pha and the O·me′ga, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free.

>(Psalm 90:2) ... Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.

>(Jeremiah 10:10) But Jehovah is in truth God. He is the living God and the King to time indefinite.

PAY ATTENTION HERE

>(1 Kings 8:27) “But will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens, themselves cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built!

PAY ATTENTION HERE

>(Deuteronomy 10:14) Behold, to Jehovah your God belong the heavens, EVEN THE HEAVENS OF THE HEAVENS, the earth and all that is in it.

The first set up above describe God in an INFINITE EXISTENCE beyond all time and space. That's why God is the beginning and the end. The second part describes God as being bigger than the universe itself. The third is describing different dimensions of existence. That's why heaven has its own heaven. It's describing different dimensions. God is bigger than the entire universe but also probably the multi-verse and all dimensions. He is infinity itself. No other god/gods is described in such a perfect state. All other ancient gods were animals, humanoids living underwater, on mountains or in the clouds.

>>131731276
>No, that isn't the consensus
Actually it is the general scientific consensus.

>so what created the god that created our universe?
This is illogical considering the definition of God holds that he is necessary.

It sounds like you're trying to attack the theist position when your own "position" is just "I don't know". That's not a position that allows you make claims of knowledge. All the video says is that God is the most rational explanation for "something" coming from "nothing". You either hold to a real position on the issue and use the evidence to support it but claiming "I don't know" means you aren't part of the discussion.

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>>131731128
If you want to introduce your kids to Demonism and Spiritism that is your business, however, you know that JW are right in that Satan makes what is sinful and evil look appealing to the eye.

>>131717749
Please help me anons.
I genuinely want to believe. I love Christianity and the ideals of it. But I feel like a fraud because some reason I can't cast out the doubt! I know there's a reason why they call it faith, some reason I can't 100% commit. Pray for me.

>>131730971
alright, you got me on this one. so you can techinically live a good life without him, but not on gods terms, in which case you wouldnt ACTUALLY be living a good life


now i want to ask you guys what you think about the whole muslim refugee/isis thing?

im thinking that if you want to be moral, youd want to let them in, but since its well known that alot of them probably want to kill us, its not entirely smart to.

i suppose some of this would be answered in the bible but i havent read it so humor me on this one

>looking for good movies to watch this year
>see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-k7GY-0ugs

when will the heretics burn?

on a side note I'm playing an MMO as an inquisitor that douses heretics with holy water and burns them

>>131732132
John 20:24-25

"24 Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin,[a] was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.”"

John 20:26-29

"26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”"

>>131717749
I'm a virulent racist and will never change. I will help niggers because they annoy me like ghetto children. I still don't like them and wish they would #blaxit. I surely can't imagine spending all of eternity dealing with them. Is there still a lily white heaven for me too anon?

>>131732132
Your fear of his wrath is evidence of your faith. You are scared because you believe that YOUR choices will save you or damn you.
Christ died for all men, and only HE can save you. That's where you should put your faith.
You obviously hear him knocking at the door

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>>131724037

I'll explain it again for ape kind.

God is a word with the connotation and meaning of ALL THINGS.

Look! I proved God exists!

>>131731276
Also, if "nothing" does end up being verified as an unstable state somehow, then, suddenly, "everything has a cause" is not just misleading, but irrevocably wrong and destroys that argument for a god.

>>131731495
No, I'm saying it invalidates your premise that "everything has a cause," which ruins the rest of your argument.

Even if we say that premise is true, you can't then prove that the only way for our universe to come into existence is "god did it."

And if you argue that everything had a cause (except, conveniently, your god), then why couldn't our universe just not have a cause in the same was your god apparently didn't have a cause?

>>131731694
If "God" can be an infinite existence, why can't something other than a god, or our universe itself, be an infinite existence? I have never received a good response to that question. If you have an answer, I'd like to hear it.

>>131731779
>Actually it is the general scientific consensus.
Have you researched this at all? It's an open question, not a consensus that goes "this is X" or "this is Y". The universe might have existed forever in some form, or it might not have (started by quantum fluctuations for instance). We currently have no way to know since we haven't found a way to see through the big bang's background radiation.
>This is illogical considering the definition of God holds that he is necessary.
But that's just plain old circular reasoning. You're basically saying "God is necessary because part of the definition of God is that he is necessary." It provides no value to the argument.

>>131732166
Well most people think letting them into the West would actually be helpful to them but it would actually be hurtful to everyone involved. Think about the main issues. We would be importing many people that have a different way of life, different belief systems, who speak a different language, who do not understand the culture and intricacies of daily life in their new home.

Do you think people such as this could in any way integrate into society, find jobs and make a new home for themselves? Or would it likely result in conflict?

I personally believe building refugee camps in neighboring countries, such as the tent cities in Lebanon, and Western countries providing some material aid is the best course of action.

>>131732544
Do you hate them by default?

Do you put people like Ben Carson on the same level as a gang member?

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>>131732544
In the New Earth that will come there will be none. Imagine a world where people will mind their own business and stay on their side of the world forever. In that world there will be no need for neither immigration nor emigration. Everywhere will be paradise. They will stay in Africa because it will be paradise there and leave you alone.

>>131732638
youre absolutely right about that one. its way cheaper, easier, and ultimately better to help them in their own countries

ive heard this so much i cant believe i forgot about it while writing the question

>>131732882
is it a sin to wish death upon this guy?

>>131732315
Im a larpagan but I'll help you kill every last yid that produced this shit. Then you can help me purge the wiccans.

>>131730880
Is it virtuous to lend a helping hand to those who would see you and your faith destroyed? All too often I see other Christians being tricked into giving more power to those who hate them.

>>131732132
What you believe doesn't matter in terms of your happiness. What matters is how strongly you hold those beliefs or non-beliefs.

With that in mind, I prefer seeking truth via skepticism and science rather than (blind) faith. I'd suggest you do the same. Keep asking hard questions. The world will be better off for it.

>>131732575
On that note, I need to go to bed. I had fun debating with you all, but you really need to ramp up your game. The "something can't come from nothing, therefore god" argument doesn't hold water because, among many reasons, you can use the same logic on god itself. Maybe try to research responses to your arguments beforehand.

>>131732753
It's a learned behavior and I honestly feel like they destroy everything they touch. I don't hate them as in I wish death to them, I just want to be with only my kind. Jews hate Christians too. Jesus was a Jew. I feel the goodness inside of me yet I feel more energetic about helping people that I know will use it to benefit themselves. Not until they can get their next hot Schlitz ML in a bag.

tl;dr

I find myself at a crossroads. I finish my grad degree in December. I'm really feeling this white nationalist movement.

>>131732575
> "God is necessary because part of the definition of God is that he is necessary."
No, I'm saying God is necessary by definition of the word "God". That's not my claim. The claim is that it is a logical conclusion that an underlying fundamental reality is behind the creation of the universe universe. Quantum physics proves that the universe is created through information and is not objective, but it is created by observation. The Measurement Problem leaves no other conclusion other than a designer.

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>>131732575
>If "God" can be an infinite existence, why can't something other than a god, or our universe itself, be an infinite existence? I have never received a good response to that question. If you have an answer, I'd like to hear it.

For two reasons

1)Because it has already been proven that the universe had a beginning. It was "born." It didn't always exist.

2)Because what you call the universe is only the visible and detectable form of existence that we know of. We still know nothing about the other "layers" or "strings" or "dimensions" of this universe. For all we know we are in a multi-verse or infinite parallel universe that collapses with every probability.

God in the Bible is an extra-dimensional non-corporeal infinite being beyond the space-time continuam. He is bigger than the all the universe itself. This is what the Bible also says about him.

>(Exodus 33:20) And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

You can't see God not because he is invisible but because he is infinite raw power. Exposing yourself to him just to see him would kill you. So God is bigger than the entire universe, beyond all quantum levels of existence, infinity itself, and seeing him will kill you. No god/gods have ever been described anywhere else but the Bible like this. Combine this with the picture and you have a book of written by a being beyond human capacity.

Where did ancient sand people get the idea of an infinite being bigger than the universe itself? Where did they get the idea of different dimensions? In all cultures on earth, gods have beginnings and ends. They are all based on things humans can see: animals, humans, trees, oceans, mountains, sun, stars, and clouds. They believed those gods could have sex, eat food, die, and had limitations.

>>131733259
>hot Schlitz ML in a bag
what?

youll find that most religious blacks are generally good people

its the hoodrats that get tricked by (((something))) and are raised without fathers that turn out like the people you hate.
it happens with whites too

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>>131732955
Yes, all men, even the stupid ones, are made in the image of God. And just like God wants you to develop a personal relationship with him, he wants a relationship with all men. Did you have anymore questions, anon?

>>131733099
I made the mistake of trying to argue too many things at once, allowing you to shift the argument to being on your terms.

I am only sorry that I couldn't organize my thoughts better and nevertheless I will pray that you come to the correct realization.

>>131733476
no more questions for today, ill probably be sticking around these threads for a bit while i try to find and read a bible though

thanks, anon

>>131731929
Watch out kids Jehovah is gonna send you to hell and roast your ass for playing with a plastic toy. Better throw that toy you borrowed from your friend in the garbage. Your friend won't hate you for that or anything.

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>>131733001
>But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you - Matthew 5:44

>>131733621
Good luck on your journey, I hope you find the truth. I will be praying for you.

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>>131732955
kike

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>>131733777
>(You)

>>131733658
Bet you wouldn't have that same attitude if your wife was buying your son black action figures and black dolls.

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>>131733743
>But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you

Ok well I don't see where it says give your enemies tons of money and military aid.

No wonder people call Christians cucks. They don't know when to draw the line, or the sword.

>>131724360
>>look up sexual rules from the bible

you are a liar.


1 Corinthians
>8Now to the unmarried and widows I say this: It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

>>131733261
>Quantum physics proves that the universe is created through information and is not objective, but it is created by observation
I don't think you understand the observer effect. Literally all it means is that measuring something changes its state. To measure the speed of something, you need a speedometer, which is either external (measuring light output for instance, and that output changes the state of the object itself) or internal (attaching a measurement device to the wheels).

The observer effect is literally just the same thing at the quantum level. Waves collapse into particles (at the quantum level mind you) when we interfere with them via measurement devices or they interact with something. It doesn't prove that the universe is created by observation.

If a tree falls in the forest, it still makes a sound, even if no one observes it. This essentially happens at the quantum level too, just with the added complication of wave-particles duality/uncertainty.

>>131733618
You weren't arguing too many things at once. You were just going through the common motions of that argument. I wasn't shifting the argument, I was refuting it. Step by step. The argument you were using is not new, but it's extremely well known and extremely easy to refute.
I really and going to bed now. Goodnight.

>>131732529
>>131732566
I appreciate it gentlemen. Salvation is given not earned. I'll keep looking for the signs. God willing I'll have the eyes to see and the ears to hear with complete faith.

>>131733457
>mfw leafy has never seen a nigger out front of the Stop n shop with Schlitz Malt liquor bull in a paper bag at noon.
Pic related as a local pof profile
>tricked by (((something)))

See this is where I am divided. Jesus was a Jew. There is considerable evidence that suggests that the liberal communist Jews of their time helped bring in Christianity to the whites in order to undermine capitalist Zionist Jews of the time. We have been literally chasing our tails for 1000 years. The only link whites have to the Middle East is Jews.

>>131734066
Who said you have to give them money? What is wrong with loving your fellow men and praying for their good? You don't have to strawman me just because you disagree.

>>131733936
God isn't going to roast a kid for playing with a black action figure and the video is shitty for encouraging the kid to throw away something that didn't belong to him. As for if my son plays with a black action figure I don't care if he does but good job projecting.

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>>131734280
Pic related
>beat that a*** tat
>boxing gloves tatted on arse
????

>>131733743
>That pic

It's so cute when christcucks try to be hard.

>>131734198
>The observer effect is literally just the same thing at the quantum level
Not at all. Waves cannot collapse into particles until they are observed.


>If a tree falls in the forest, it still makes a sound, even if no one observes it
It does so only because there is an observer. There must be or it could not make a sound because quantum physics proves there must be an observer. Who then is the position open too?

https://youtu.be/Sh5GCwt9PDs
https://youtu.be/LiNJRh2fxY8
https://youtu.be/vOv8zYla1wY

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>>131734285
I don't disagree with the virtue. I'm just pointing out that Christians have no defense against emotional temptation and will hurt their own cause just to feel like good people. Too many "Christians" think being Christian is just about "being nice". It has become far too submissive of a faith to be able to perpetuate it's existence. Man up, recognize good and evil and do not give a hand up to evil. Are enablers of evil not evil themselves?

How are you goys going to defend Israel if you wont fight?

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>>131734906
I won't give you a real response if you're gonna be disingenuous.

>>131734332
>>131734332
>God isn't going to roast a kid for playing with a black action figur

Your problem is that you don't know God. As in you don't know his personality. Staying away from items of spiritism, divination, and magic isn't about salvation. It is about CLEANLINESS.

>(Leviticus 15:31) “‘And YOU must keep the sons of Israel separate from their uncleanness, that they may not die in their uncleanness for their defiling of my tabernacle, which is in their midst.

>(Numbers 5:3) Whether a male or a female YOU should send them out. YOU should send them outside the camp, that they may not contaminate the camps of those in the midst of whom I am tabernacling.”

>(Numbers 19:20) “‘But the man who may be unclean and who will not purify himself, well, that soul must be cut off from the midst of the congregation, because it is Jehovah’s sanctuary that he has defiled. The water for cleansing was not sprinkled upon him. He is unclean.

>(Leviticus 7:21) And in case a soul touches anything unclean, the uncleanness of a man or an unclean beast or any unclean loathsome thing, and actually eats some of the flesh of the communion sacrifice, which is for Jehovah, that soul must be cut off from his people.’”

>(Numbers 5:2) “Command the sons of Israel that they send out of the camp every leprous person and everyone having a running discharge and everyone unclean by a deceased soul.

Your problem is that you see God as a vending machine of rewards. Do as he says and you get rewards. Don't and get nothing. You need to understand that God is a person and you need to build a relationship with him. God demands PHYSICAL cleanliness but he also demands SPIRITUAL cleanliness. Spiritism, divination, are spiritual UNCLEANLINESS. God IGNORES the unclean when they call for help. When your son calls for help and he sees toy in your hand he will ignore his call for help.

>>131734957
Where in the Bible were Christians commanded to do this to unbelievers? WHAT does the Bible teach on how to treat unbelievers or those that won't accept the words of Christ?

gods right about the gays

>>131735181
>The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure” that God has made clean. - Acts 10:15
A toy is just a toy I'm afraid. A figure of a fantasy character is just that and does not mean you are involved in divination. It's a toy. The ceremonial laws of Moses no longer apply either.

>>131733777
>calling a christian a kike when the word kike comes from the Jews hatred of Christianity
Pagan intelligence at work lads

I NEED more threads like this... Wow.

>>131735181
Are yehovas the new jews ? youre a jew 1.0 when you quote old testament for doctrine

>>131736105
It's a false cult like mormonism.

>>131736105
>youre a jew 1.0 when you quote old testament for doctrine

man, its almost like Jesus constantly quotes from the old testament, and validates it as a collection of books written about him or something. its almost like there are about 500 prophecies in the old testament concerning the coming of jesus christ.

HMMMMMMM

Man, when every day could be the last you really regret not going to church every week. It was so foolish of me to think that just because Jesus loves me it gives me a free ride. But I was an edgy kid then fell into a depressive funk. I hope we last til sunday I'd really like to go again now.

>>131735483
>>131735483
>>The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure” that God has made clean. - Acts 10:15

Disgusting that you tried to twist this scripture to be applied to a child's idol statue. That scripture has no relevance to idols and divination. A toy is no longer a toy when it is associated with what is disgusting. Let's see if you share that same sentiment when someone hands over your child a sex toy.

>(Deuteronomy 18:11) or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead.


>(Galatians 5:20) idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects,

>(Revelation 21:8) But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and fornicators and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur. This means the second death.”

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>>131733777
my favorite part is where pagans ignore the fact that Rome was sacked by an Arian Christian King named Alaric, and his visigoths were mostly baptized christians.

>>131736267
Going to church every week doesn't earn you salvation. Don't get caught in that mindset. Repent of your sins everyday and ask God for mercy. Have faith and you will be saved.

>>131733333
>1)Because it has already been proven that the universe had a beginning. It was "born." It didn't always exist.

False. The math falls apart as you get close to the supposed "big bang." Its entirely possible that the universe has always existed, just with different constants and laws of physics. Thats why our math doesnt work


yfw you realize that time/space (universe) are infinite and the "big bang" only deals with matter inside of it.

>>131736105
Christians are not under the Mosaic Law. It was done away with by Christ. We are now under the Covenant of Christ. That is why Goyim are allowed to have a relationship with God when the Mosaic Law didn't allow fellowship with non-Chosen.

However, the OT is the precedent to the NT. It teaches us God's moral standards and opinion on things. For example, Sodom and Gomorrah was turned to ashes for homosexuality but we Christians do not burn gays. Sodom and Gomorrah are turned to in the OT as an example of God's opinion of homosexuality. It is so bad that it is worth getting a nuclear weapon dropped on.

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>>131736496
Jesus was not a mystic, why are you trying to imitate what is evil?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9FoEXbqHOk

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>>131717749
What would Jesus think of this?

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Daily reminder "Jehovah" Witness (i.e. Watchtowerites) is a cult and is NOT Christian, they are goats

https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian

There are many gods out there, there isn't much difference what Adam and Eve went through in the Garden

>>131736721
>That is why Goyim are allowed to have a relationship with God when the Mosaic Law didn't allow fellowship with non-Chosen.

this isn't even remotely true. there are several places in the bible where people develop personal relationships with God, several Kings of Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar, and such had personal corespondents with God, the Heavenly Father appears in China, India, and the Native americans have the "great king spirit of the sky"

>>131736745
proverbs 18:13 friend.

John the Baptist, and John were both mystics.

JOhn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


this is exactly the kind of thing a mystic would say, and its the exact kind of thing that appeals to mystics.

Jesus was the Son of God, thats pretty fucking mystical IMHO

>>131736459
>Let's see if you share that same sentiment when someone hands over your child a sex toy.
This is a false equivalence. Real black magic and divination is power from demons. It's not an idol, stop misusing words that you don't understand, it's a piece of plastic. It's not being worshipped.

Now your fate on the other hand does not look so good.

>Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. - ROmans 10:9

>Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. - John 5:12

>And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

>No one who denies the Son can have the Father; whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well. - John 2:23

If you do not believe in God, The Lord Jesus Christ, then you will face judgment. Reject your cult, stop following the traditions of man and accept Christ.

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>>131737038
>thinks spiritual == mystical
>doesn't know anything about the Holy Spirit
>hasn't read the entire Bible in the Spirit
>doesn't know how much God detests witchcraft and sorcery
>taking verses out of context

By the way, you should hear what the guy says. He was in some serious New Age stuff more than you and was well regarded in the New Age community. Here, I'll link it to you again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9FoEXbqHOk

>>131736711
>False. The math falls apart as you get close to the supposed "big bang." Its entirely possible that the universe has always existed, just with different constants and laws of physics. Thats why our math doesnt work

Nope it still had a beginning because it still had to "bang" and expand. The question is what was the cause? That's the problem. It needed a cause. A bomb can't blow up without a stimulus or act of ignition. An intelligence had to set it in motion. Also, all the laws of physics had to CALIBRATED in order for life to exist. The four fundamental physical forces—gravity, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force had to be calibrated perfectly so life and all stars can exist. Too much strong nuclear force and only heavy elements exist but no hydrogen, helium, and oxygen would exist. Too little and only hydrogen exist. This calibration is finely-tuned within a 2 percent margin. Weak nuclear force controls radio-active decay. It affects thermonuclear activity in the sun. The weak force is millions of times weaker than the nuclear force. It is just weak enough so that the hydrogen in the sun burns at a slow and steady rate. If the weak force were much stronger or much weaker, any forms of life dependent on sunlike stars would again be in difficulties. That's what makes it even more apparent that the universe had a start. A random explosion would make it impossible for all physical forces in the universe to just be randomly calibrated on their own without an intelligence.


>yfw you realize that time/space (universe) are infinite and the "big bang" only deals with matter inside of it.

>>131717749
Happy Solemnity everybody!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hPcuw9fYAw

Jesus has revolutionised every life on the planet since his own life. He not only is the only man to claim being the Son of God himself (which I personally believe) and still have a majority of the world believing it but people today still don't deny the fact that he existed. Unlike leaders of other groups who have all died and bodies can be found, Jesus didn't care for it too much so he just shook death off and just came back to life, even after that he didn't bother with death again just went straight up to heaven. There are many other beliefs made by so called prophets that he was like them just another messenger of God, but he was whatever you believe he has made a greater influence/impact on everything that has every happened on this earth than anyone else to exist. Something that can't be compared to and will never again happen until his return.

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>>131732132
>But I feel like a fraud because some reason I can't cast out the doubt! I know there's a reason why they call it faith, some reason I can't 100% commit. Pray for me.
There is a spiritual realm, if you look around you'll see it exists, you don't even have to be Christian to see it's evident.

You need to cast out the spirit of disbelief in the Jesus' Name and command it to never return again.

Faith without works is dead, confess and repent of your sins, also forgive yourself. Pray, pray, and pray and read your Bible cover-to-cover in the Spirit. I cannot stress this enough about reading your Bible. Faith without works is dead. Do you know many so-called Christians die without even have read the entire Bible in the Spirit? Remember, let the Holy Spirit guide you, not some man's doctrine or ideas. Don't let anything get in the way between you and Jesus. Seek and you will find, be patient. This is all real. God Bless.

>>131736613
I know, I just regret missing out on so much of it now

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Fuck off you fucking jesus niggers

Nobody gives a fuck about your retarded shit

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>>131737662
Amen.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs-e_mJnYlwgPUmMnO2erKVXdlWSoRWLn

>>131737230
>This is a false equivalence. Real black magic and divination is power from demons. It's not an idol, stop misusing words that you don't understand, it's a piece of plastic. It's not being worshipped.
>equivalence
>Real black magic
>divination

What were Wizards known for?

>A enchanter, enchantress, mage, magician, magicianess, sorcerer, sorceress, warlock, witch, wizard, or wizardess is someone who uses or practices magic derived from supernatural or occult sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magician_(fantasy)

>Related words: enchantress, hag, hex, sorceress; warlock; occultist; thaumaturge, thaumaturgist, theurgist, wonder-worker; medicine man, shaman, shamanist, witch doctor; crystal gazer, diviner, foreseer, fortune-teller, prognosticator, soothsayer; medium; exorciser, exorcist

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wizard

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>>131738121
You may not care about us, but God cares enough about you to keep living for another day.

>>131738121
I love you too anon.

>>131737351
>has to make a bunch of ignorant character assassinating assumptions
>doesn't understand john the baptist and John and James sons of Zebedee were Mystics
>doesn't understand there is a difference between mysticism and witchcraft
>thinks I like witchcraft and sorcery
>doesn't understand that God likes mystics
>has never raised the dead, cleansed a leper, healed the sick, driven out demons in His name, handled serpents, or spoken in tongues, nor drunken any deadly thing as indicated in Matthew 10:8 and Mark 16:17-18


people like you are exactly the reason why i thought so poorly of Christianity for my entire life. you disgust me.

>>131738158
Do you also think The Lord of the Rings is a series of evil fantasy novels because magic exists in the universe of the series? You're trying to say that powers of good in fantasy are equal to the demonic. You're are misunderstanding the real evil in divination and black magic. You're a spiritually blind fundamentalist.

Remember that God healed those who looked upon the image of the bronze snake.

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>>131738563
I think it depends on what you mean by mystic.

>>131737038
>there are several places in the bible where people develop personal relationships with God,

Yeah, Abel, Noah/family, Abraham, Lot, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, Joseph, Job, Moses, Israelites, David, Solomon, etc. Yeah, almost all Israelites.

>several Kings of Egypt,

Name one

Nebuchadnezzar, and such had personal corespondents with God, the Heavenly Father

Nebuchadnezzar was extremely religious, building and beautifying the temples of numerous Babylonian deities. Particularly was he devoted to the worship of Marduk, the chief god of Babylon. To him Nebuchadnezzar gave credit for his military victories. He tried to kill Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego for refusing to worship his giant statue of Marduk in front of everyone. He threw them in a giant hot furnace but survived by being saved by an angel.

>appears in China, India, and the Native americans have the "great king spirit of the sky"

(2 Corinthians 11:14) And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.

(Galatians 1:8) However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed.

(2 Thessalonians 2:9) But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents

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>>131738563
Again, spirituality is not mysticism, that much I know. I'm not an expert on this matter but there is a clear difference between the New Age occult and its kindred from being a Spiritual Christian. I'll let you figure this out on your own. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. Also, you've never admitted to reading the entire Bible front-to-back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9FoEXbqHOk

>>131738699
I'm aware of the difference between the divine and spiritism. If I didn't then Jesus, Elijah, Apostles, Paul and Moses would all be mystics and practicioners of magic. IN FACT, both Moses and Paul FACED actual shamans themselves. Moses faced off Pokemon style against the two Egyptian sorcerers by turning his staff into a snake. They did the same thing. Moses divine-type pokemon ate the two devil-type pokemon. Paul was followed around by a demon-possessed girl and harassed so Paul "exorcised" her and she lost all her powers. Jesus faced off with demonically posessed people and even the devil himself in the mountain.

The difference between divine and demonic is the source. All divine comes from God and all demonic comes from demons. The problem is that by GOD'S POINT OF VIEW wizards don't get their power from him. Lord of the Rings is FICTIONAL and I'm aware that "wizards" are not "wizards" but Maia or the equivalent of angels. They are gods. So by, fictional standards, they are sourced from "God".

You need to be aware always of what GOD THINKS not what YOU THINK. Always concern yourself with GOD'S OPINION before YOUR OPINION. That mother in the video didn't want to risk putting her and her son's opinion's before God.

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>>131738672
you're a bad christian, are you a catholic or something?

you seemed to shy away from the points in my post, I'll link them again

>has to make a bunch of ignorant character assassinating assumptions
>doesn't understand john the baptist and John and James sons of Zebedee were Mystics
>doesn't understand there is a difference between mysticism and witchcraft
>thinks I like witchcraft and sorcery
>doesn't understand that God likes mystics
>has never raised the dead, cleansed a leper, healed the sick, driven out demons in His name, handled serpents, or spoken in tongues, nor drunken any deadly thing as indicated in Matthew 10:8 and Mark 16:17-18

here's two more
>has to link some idiot that can't read because he's too biblically illiterate to defend any points himself
>has to ignore the fact I declare Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins.

here's some food for thought, this guy said "when jesus said that the kingdom of heaven is within you was directed at the pharisees" or something along those lines. while this may be true has Jesus Christ ever lied to a pharisee? he also fails to mention how the Spirit of God also dwells within you

Romans 8:9 1 Corinthians 3:16?

he also neglects to mention how the Old testament calls us Gods
Psalm 82:6
I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.

and how this is re-affirmed in John
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

you keep people away from Christianity. just stop.

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Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came in the flesh

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>>131739593
>gnosticism

>>131738944
Neco, King of Egypt has direct correspondence with God, and is ordered to wage war against the King of Assyria, the King of Israel at the time tried to battle Neco, and died fighting in disguise against the Egyptians as a solider in the assyrian army.

also in Genesis God keeps a Pharoah from sinning against him when he takes Sarah to be his wife while Abraham walks the land calling him his sister.

theres 2.


>Nebuchadnezzar was extremely religious, building and beautifying the temples of numerous Babylonian deities. Particularly was he devoted to the worship of Marduk, the chief god of Babylon. To him Nebuchadnezzar gave credit for his military victories. He tried to kill Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego for refusing to worship his giant statue of Marduk in front of everyone. He threw them in a giant hot furnace but survived by being saved by an angel.

Nebuchadnezzar also wrote Daniel 4. you idiot.

>NT verses
you have a poor understanding of Theology, all religions go back to a monotheistic creator, I do not think the Native Americans are lying when they say that there was a great world consuming flood, the fact that they say this gives further legitimacy to the Bible. and quite frankly this has nothing to do with the fact that God had made himself known to every land, and every people, and there is NOTHING in the bible that states that he made himself known to only the Jews.

>>131738878
just riddle me this, does John read like it was written for normal people, or is it a book that appeals more to people who you might think are legitimate crazy? to say anything in John 1 is not the type of thing that appeals to normal people, its a calling to the mystics, and the sages.

>>131739493
> I'm not an expert on this matter
then shut the fuck up.

Proverbs 18:13
He who gives an answer before he hears, It is folly and shame to him.

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>>131740192
>not understanding the bible validates and gives legitimacy to the gnostic gospels, because you answer a matter before hearing it.

catholic detected.

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Excited, senpai.

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>>131740520
Sorry m8. It's a heresy. I gotta agree with the church fathers on this one.

>>131741135
Good luck on your Russian. I'm learning French myself.

>>131741242
Thanks, and best of luck to you.

what are the best bible movies??

good ones not the shit form your links

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>>131741369
You mean films that go over the gospels such as the life of Jesus? Best in that regard I have seen so far goes to the "Jesus of Nazareth" miniseries. I think it's British, about six hours long in total. I really enjoy it.

>>131741242
Matthew 16
12 Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

well, the bible personally gave me the gospel of mary magdalen, and Christ spent his life speaking against the pharisees, and being called a heretic, I'll continue to be called a heretic by the pharisees 2.0 while you continue to eat the leaven of the pharisees and sadducees

1) I do not recongize the authority of the council of nicea on grounds of hyprcisy. Constantine is the one who called the council, and they declared "arian Christianity" to be heresy., meaning Constantine, the onle who called the council was a heretic.

2) Matthew 23:9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

there is only 1 Father, calling them "church fathers" is heresy unto itself.

3) Irenaeus is quite literally an a pharisee, and an idiot.

4) I stand by when I say the bible validates every single idea the gnostic scriptures state. while you agree with the church fathers, I agree with the Bible.

5) the gnostic gospels do not call Yahweh, the old testament God the devil, this has been the dirtiest lie I've ever seen on the matter, and they do EVERYTHING to venerate him

why don't you go ahead, and explain to me what heresy is, because not a single one of you idiots have ever been able to explain it.

>>131740371
>Neco, King of Egypt has direct correspondence with God,

No he didn't. That was just her personal belief he told the Judean King. (2Ch 35:20–36:4; 2Ki 23:29-35) What he had was the word carried to him by messengers speaking to God's prophets at the time who were Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Samuel. Isaiah was the one who prophecied that Egypt would be handed over to Nebuchadnezzar. Necho had no direct communication with Jehovah since Pharoahs were false gods themselves worshipped by the people.

>and is ordered to wage war against the King of Assyria,

That was Necho's personal belief but that would not be the case because Jeremiah prophecied Necho would lose. Jer 46:2. This wasn't unusual for ancient politicians to believe they were raised up by foreign gods to rule. Cyrus, the Great who defeated Babylon thought Jehovah "blessed" him as well. He wasn't blessed, he was a pawn. All politicians used by God are only pawns, not servants.

>Nebuchadnezzar also wrote Daniel 4. you idiot.

It's called Daniel for a reason.

>(Daniel 7:1) In the first year of Bel·shaz′zar the king of Babylon, Daniel himself beheld a dream and visions of his head upon his bed. At that time HE WROTE DOWN THE the dream itself. The complete account of the matters he told.

Daniel Chapters 7-12 are all written in the first person by Daniel.

CONTINUED

>>131740371
>>131742300

>and there is NOTHING in the bible that states that he made himself known to only the Jews.

>(Acts 14:16) In the past generations he permitted all the nations to go on in their ways,
>(Romans 5:13) For until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law.
>(Romans 4:15) In reality the Law produces wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there any transgression.

Before Christ, Jehovah let the gentiles go on their own way. He had no relationship at all with them.

>(1 Kings 8:53) For you yourself separated them as your inheritance out of all the peoples of the earth, just as you have spoken by means of Moses your servant when you were bringing our forefathers out from Egypt, O Sovereign Lord Jehovah.”

>(Exodus 19:5) And now if YOU will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then YOU will certainly become my special property out of all [other] peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me.

(Joshua 23:12) “But if YOU should turn back at all and YOU do cleave to what is left of these nations, these that remain with YOU, and YOU do form marriage alliances with them and go in among them, and they among YOU,
(1 Kings 11:2) from the nations of whom Jehovah had said to the sons of Israel: “YOU must not go in among them, and they themselves should not come in among YOU; truly they will incline YOUR heart to follow their gods.” It was to them that Sol′o·mon clung to love [them].

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>the church fathers are idiots

>>131742675
>2) Matthew 23:9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.


heresy

>>131742300
>It's called Daniel for a reason.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%204.

Daniel 4 refers to Nebuchadnezzar in the first person for a reason, because he personally wrote the Chapter. if daniel wrote it why does it say that "I had a dream" rather if Daniel wrote it that "he had a dream"? 4I Nebuchadnezzar was at rest in mine house, and flourishing in my palace: 5I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts upon my bed and the visions of my head troubled me.

>Daniel Chapters 7-12 are all written in the first person by Daniel.
this is kind of why I stated that Nebuchadnezzar wrote Daniel 4, and not daniel 7-12. you honestly sound like you have trouble reading.

>No he didn't. That was just her personal belief he told the Judean King.
> Necho had no direct communication with Jehovah since Pharoahs were false gods themselves worshipped by the people.
I do generally find this thought to be fallacious, Pharoahs weren't really ever worshiped.
>2 Chronicles 35:21 for God commanded me to make haste: forbear thee from meddling with God, who is with me, that he destroy thee not.

Josiah died fighting against Necho, the Bible states that God commanded Necho to fight the assyrians. quite frankly I'll take the Bible's word over yours. you're the one thats wrong here buddy, according to the scriptures.

>That was Necho's personal belief but that would not be the case because Jeremiah prophecied Necho would lose.

this is basically pretty dishonest. the Assryians are not the Babylonians, the prophecy concerns Necho vs the Babylonians and Nebachezzer, not the Assyrians. very dishonest, disingenuous post, I don't know whether this is to biblical illiteracy, or if you're just being a spiritually and intellectually dishonest person.

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>>131742935

It is no suprise that the satanic versions of the bible call paul father

>>131741369
passion of the christ by mel gibson

>>131726822
Jesus gave authority to the apostles to bind and loose peoples sins and grant them absolution. They passed this authority onto their successors.

Also BTW your templar flag is Catholic

>>131743376
>Daniel 4 refers to Nebuchadnezzar in the first person for a reason, because he personally wrote the Chapter.

There is no evidence of this. Chapters 1 through 6 are written in the third person, but this does not argue against Daniel’s writership. He took the position of an observer who was reporting what was happening to himself and others. Another Bible writer, Jeremiah, does this frequently. Jer 20:1-6; 21:1-3; and chaps 26,36.

Besides, Daniel, and Jeremiah many other Bible writers write in the 3rd person as observers. One very good example is Job which was actually written by Moses and not Job himself. All was written in Jobs words but by Moses instead. Moses was never there.

>Want to believe in Christianity to have some guidance and routine
>Can't bring myself to do it

Any hope for me?

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>>131725287

The final redpill is the Godpill. It's for you the only way to protect yourself against Islam indoctrination and marxist evilogy. Your believe in yourself can never compete with a real ideology. You alone are not strong enough to defend yourself against Islam and marxism. Christianity offers you a real strong believe, rather a way of living, able you to protect your friends, family and values. Your believe in yourself can waver, believe in God is eternal. You can't kill or destroy a believe. Unless you kill all the believers. You as only believing in one person that is yourself, can easily be destroyed. You are just one, and we Christians are many but God is the greatest. Our fate keep us in place and keep us strong. And if one of us dies his believe will spread and it will strenghten our fates even further, because he will go to God. It is that kind of dedication what is needed to protect and fight against the Islam and marxism, because they do the same. And you stand no chance against them or us Christians.

Deus vult, Gott mit uns.

>>131743903
Christianity is a choice. If you want to believe then choose to believe and follow up with things that will strengthen your faith like reading the new testament and joining the catholic church

>>131732544
There can be no darkness in heaven.

how come the catholic bible has more books in it?

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>>131742610
ok, none of these verses do nothing to dispel the notion that God spoke to every land and every peoples.

Yahweh is not so dull, and not so petty that he wouldn't make himself known to a Gentile that seeks him before Christ died on the cross. infact I would not be surprised that if stories of Gentiles seeking and finding the Father in heaven weren't stricken from the record by the Talmudic Pharisees. stories from other nations where people find the Father in heaven, who is the essence of love are quite frankly common, and I doubt are lies. the idea that Yahweh would not speak to every nation among every people, especially when they all have had more or less the same rules against child abuse, human sacrifice, sorcery and black magic, and also have all the same rules and purposes for animal sacrifice that are listed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy is ludicrous, there is quite frankly more in the worlds cultures to speak to the idea that Yahweh has spoken to every nation than there is in your illiteracy, arrogance, and disposition to treat the bible like an Idol.

fun fact, Chinese symbolic letters quite literally carry the story of Genesis https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j19_2/j19_2_96-108.pdf

>>131743381
>Abraham our father

>>131717749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cosQWMwaYEM

>>131732132
Just ask God to show you/give you stuff. It always works out for me. Even with exams and money and everything else. Even stupid shit like getting abs and getting rid of my health problems.....
Come to think of it there's nothing i asked for and didn't get......helpful that is.

>>131744404
Because we use the Septuagint which was written in 300bc by 70 Hebrew scholars. It is also what Jesus used when quoting the ot and is the oldest version of the ot. Protestant bibles use the masoretic text which was written 1000ad and scrubs out lots of prophecies that relate to Jesus and removes books. Bear in mind these are Jews that follow the Talmud hate Jesus and don't necessarily even believe in the ot.

>>131744529
oh geen bill maybe abraham is our spirutual jew father ?

Galatians 3:29
>And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Nothing about a pope being our father

>>131744806
That context of Corinthians is also one that Paul sees himself as a father like it or not

How is Abraham a father to the Gentiles?

>>131744657
that makes sense
they mentioned it at mass recently when the daily readings were from the book of tobit but never went into it

>>131744923
abraham is a father to the gentiles in spirit , its not a title like the pope


Funny is it not , even the traditional catholic bible does not name paul father

>>131743381


Douay-Rheims Bible
For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.

>>131742935
Jesus meant to call no man god the father because people were confusing him with the father when he was the son. There is only one father and he is completely invisible and not man. Jesus was basically giving a lesson on the trinity. Only the word can become man, the son of man not the father.

You call your dad dad right? Obviously Jesus isn't telling you to stop calling your father any iteration of father but saying not to call anyone the father

>>131745147
And surely not like as Paul sees himself

4I write these things not to shame you, but to warn you as my beloved sons.

15For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet ye have not many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel.

16Therefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

>>131745200
Context is key. Stop isolating verses

>>131743903
Watch the videos posted in this thread.

>>131745225
Protestants are very good at isolating verses to try to substantiate their theology whilst ignoring context.

>>131745317
That poster thinks that Paul didn't think himself as a "father" but all surrounding context paints this picture. So if Jesus said call no man father, why is Paul seeing himself as one to his flock?

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>>131745148
its literally in the bible what jesus meant smells like the pope to me

>5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

I dont actually believe anyone truly believes in god tbqh

>>131745514
Why did Paul consider himself as a father and teacher to his flock?

>>131745431
That's fundamentalism for you.

>>131745514
>taking a verse that is talking about the pharisees of the second temple and applying it to anybody you don't like
Pathetic

>>131745593
Well you would be wrong.

>>131745604
a spirutual father in the gospel he never gave him self such title

>>131745617
Deep down you know its BS, you just dont want it to be

>>131745514
>11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself be exalted

He explains what he meant right there as clear as day. Yet you ignore him

>>131743870
>There is no evidence of this.

other than the chapter itself REFERRING TO NEBUCHADNEZZAR IN THE FIRST PERSON????????????????????
by the way, you can't just say
>Daniel Chapters 7-12 are all written in the first person by Daniel.
and say
> Chapters 1 through 6 are written in the third person, but this does not argue against Daniel’s writership.
and think your argument holds any water, this is retarded...

well there actually is evidence of this, its recorded in Babylonian archeology that Nebuchadnezzar wrote this chapter, had scribes copy it, and posted it on every single tree and post in his kingdom for all to see.

> Chapters 1 through 6 are written in the third person, but this does not argue against Daniel’s writership
this statement is pretty much untrue on the grounds that Daniel 4 is written in the first person. I'm not arguing against Daniels authership of any of the other books of Daniel, I'm attributing Chapter 4's authorship to Nebuchadnezzar because the book in itself attributes its writing to him.
>Besides, Daniel, and Jeremiah many other Bible writers write in the 3rd person as observers.
>Jerimiah writes about himself in the first and third person
Phillip K Dick does this too in Valis, whats your point? the Gospel of Mary Magdalen does this, and even I've done this writing about myself. whats your point?


>One very good example is Job which was actually written by Moses and not Job himself. All was written in Jobs words but by Moses instead. Moses was never there.

I also find this to be a disingenuous statement to fit your narrative. there are accounts that Moses found the book of Job during their exile and preserved it. there is nothing to indicate that Moses wrote Job outside of "rabbinical tradition" that ends up having no source.

>>131745676
He sure as hell considers himself as one based on context. This is evident. Repeating the same assertion again and again wouldn't make a difference

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>>131745692
I actually used to be a huge atheist that hated religion. Sorry m9 but I'm absolutely convinced. I would proudly die for my belief, God willing.

>>131745617
>Pathetic

you have to be a idiot or utter blind to not see it , the catholics are the pharisees , if the second comming was in the middle ages the catholics would have burned jesus on the stake for witchcraft

>>131745823
Even if that were the truth, you're still taking verses out of context and applying hem to something that has nothing to do with what is actually being talked about. Jesus isn't talking about Catholics in that passage, he is talking about the scribes of the temple. Way to look like a complete fool.

>>131745796
Your just having an existential crisis and this is the only thing that brings you hope bro, deep down you know its bull

>>131745733

lets skip the rest of the verses and mention something vague

>>131717823
>(2) Repent sins.


Sorry, I haven't been to church in years how do you do this again?

>>131746022
>final verse points out what he meant
>let's ignore it

>>131746006
Ricardo dawkens pls. Not everyone believes in sucking muslim dicks.

Amen, brothers.

Also....

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/46/46-3/46-3-pp423-447_JETS.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiNk_766uLUAhXMIcAKHQ5-C4g4ChAWCEowDQ&usg=AFQjCNFaN6t9vrVCc-3lurKcIrRw93tHWQ

>>131746141
I dont understand?

>>131745200
>>131745617
Do Catholics consider the disciples words above Jesus words? Honest question because Jesus was pretty clear but according to you guys Pauls words are of take priority over the words of Jesus himself?


>But you, do not be called ‘Teacher’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

>>131745944
i went from a atheist to a bible believing christian but the first thing i noticed is that the catholics are the modern day pharisees , they are doing a lot better now , but the tree is rotten to the core.

Replace this with idiols and you have yet again verses for the catholics today

Tradition and Vain Worship

(Mark 7:1-13)

>1Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

>9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

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>>131744657
>Protestant bibles use the masoretic text which was written 1000ad and scrubs out lots of prophecies that relate to Jesus and removes books.

the vatican removed 14 books from the bible in 1684, and has spent more time burning old and new testaments, and Christians for reading them than Rome has.

also the Luther bible is based off the Septuagint, and Textus Receptus as well. this statement is pretty dishonest.

here's a list of the 14 books the catholic church removed

1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Tobit
Judith
The rest of Esther
The Wisdom of Solomon
Ecclesiasticus
Baruch with the epistle Jeremiah
The Songs of the 3 Holy children
The history of Susana
bel and the dragon
The prayer for Manasses
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees

>>131746345
Well you still haven't addressed any counter argument when they are presented

>>131746344
Paul's work is older than the Gospels

>>131746455
So do Catholics do not accept the Gospels as legitimate? I dont know much about Catholicism

>>131746455
>Well you still haven't addressed any counter argument when they are presented

neither did you , so why should i awnser yours first?

>>131746572
I already did and went through context. You simply repeat the same assertion

>>131746568
They are just that the Gospels are dated later than Paul's writing

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>>131745796
Thanks for injecting a little hope to my day anon.

>>131746706

no you did not you cherry picked some verses, i said paul was a spirutual father he had no earthly title like the pope

>>131746345
hey bro. I read over some of your posts you seem to have a good head on your shoulders. I recommend you read the Gospel of Thomas, Judas, and Mary Magadalen, the bible does quite a bit to validate the ideals the Nag Hammadi scriptures present.

>>131745796
What made you convert, Anon?

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Our Lord is wonderful. God bless all the anons who love Him.

>>131746034
Examine conscience and past actions.
Be sorry for what you've done.
Reassert yourself as never doing it again.

Harder than it sounds, honestly.

>>131746837
Paul sees himself as someone with authority. He is also a teacher in his role. Is he then contradicting Jesus?

Plus we see that you were so triggered when other translations says that Paul is the father of those he is addressing. And I even shown that Jesus does recognize the Pharisees authority. What he is against was their hypocrisy. Like with you when you twist your position about

>>131746429
>The Vatican removed the deuterocanonical books
>during the council of Trent
In reality they reaffirmed those books as canon previously established as Protestants rejected them and removed them.

>>131746738
>They are just that the Gospels are dated later than Paul's writing

You are wrong i just searched it up the oldest known fragment of the new testament is from the gospel of Matthew dating to around 150 ad the earliest works of Paul date around 200 ad

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>>131746006
There is no existential crisis with the theist as existence logically requires a necessary Being. The logical burden of proof lies with the atheist in attempting to explain away existence without a necessary Being/first cause.

>>131746854

Hello brother i read the gospel of thomas i dont think they are truth , i reject gnosticism

Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστιkός gnostikos, "having knowledge", from γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) is a modern name for a variety of ancient religious ideas and systems, originating in Jewish milieus in the first and second century AD. Based on their readings of the Torah and other Biblical writings, these systems induced that the material world is created by an ignorant emanation of the highest God, trapping the Divine spark within the human body. This Divine spark could be liberated by gnosis of this Divine spark.

>>131745514
Yeah he means call no man god the father. No one thinks the pope is god the father. It doesn't matter what it smells like to you as you have no authority to interpret scripture.

>>131747187
Those are fragments that are found, not proposed dates of composition. Following your line of thought, the gospel is quite a late work

>>131747043
>He is also a teacher in his role. Is he then contradicting Jesus?

No he is not contradicting Jesus because he is not being called "father" or "teacher" as a title such as the Pharisees or the Pope, if you can find one verse of Paul being called "Father Paul" then he would be contradicting Jesus

>>131745823
No the Jews were and still are the pharisees. Was Jesus lying when he told peter the gates of hell would not prevail against his church built on peter?

Read the writings of the early church fathers.

http://orthodoxchurchfathers.com/fathers/anf01/toc.htm

>>131747272
No. What he meant is pretty clear there. He was critiquing the hypocrisy and arrogance of the Pharisees. But remember he acknowledged their customs like sitting on Moses seat which is an actual seat in the synagogue >>131746242

>>131747190
Youre the one claiming outlandish shit though my man

>>131747043

No he is not again i say he sees him self as a spirutual father . its not a title on earth

paul has authority by the holy spirit ,holy spirit equals jesus
>9And call no man your father upon the earth:

>>131746034
Go to confession and confess all mortal and venial sins

>>131717749
Watching this at the moment, I greatly recommend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o1uLsrjKHA

>>131746854
I've read also the gnostic gospels, in a time when I was very interesed in gnosticism. The truth is that they were not very enlightening.

>>131747339
He is putting himself in those roles. By your logic he is critiquing those roles because titles are simply given to those in those roles.

>>131747450
And titles have meaning and isn't something that does not denote the role of the person labelled with it

>>131746429
Um no all those books are in the catholic bible. It was Luther and the use of the masoretic text that removed them...

>>131747305
The date of composition of the book of Matthew is probably earlier than even Paul's because it was written by one of Jesus direct apostles who was chosen before Paul,

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>>131747272
>No one thinks the pope is god the father.

who can change the laws ? god ? right ? . This must mean the pope is god because he changed the laws

>>131747594
News flash, the early Christians and many OT citations in the NT come from the septuagint. There is also agreement that Paul drew from Wisdom

i sell weed, am i going to hell?

>>131747638

Lol, is this what they teach in American schools?

>>131747427
So what do you call your father?

>>131747473
Where do I find a priest that is not a part of the Novus Ordo church in Europe?

I've confessed to God and the Holy Virgin, and did a self-imposed penance by walking 20 km non-stop in flip-flops (I have no sandals) to a local 19th century chapel of the Holy Virgin and praying the rosary all the way.

I'd like to confess to a traditional catholic priest though.

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>>131747339
>call no man father

Sin begins in the heart. People could have multiple reasons to say father so with multiple intents that begin in the heart the act itself has no reason to be considered sin in itself but the intent behind it. If you look at the full context of the scene here it portrays a teaching Jesus had of the pharisees that is much more in depth than "don't call people with word, no matter what the reason". In this case the point was not to listen to the pharisees that proudly findthemselves as authorities but rather look to God.

>>131747447
Divine Conservation is hardly outlandish.

>>131747638

The first century Didache references the gospel of Matthew too.

>>131747734
Can't say. I'd recommend stopping though.

>>131747638
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament

Look at the section on dates of composition

>>131747447
Claiming everything came from nothing is the outlandish claim. Logic dictates that everything that is contingent is caused by something necessary

>>131747517
Jesus didn't say dont be a teacher, Paul was a teacher of the gospel there is no dispute in that Jesus said do not be CALLED a "teacher" or "father" as a title such as the pope

>>131747764
I don't know how you can somehow put the trinity in there but I could only see the statement as one being rhetorical against the hypocrisy of the Pharisees

>>131747885
Oh so calling someone a teacher is bad now?

>>131747655
No one can change laws. The church can only define dogma and hone in on the truth. Which is what it does. Dogma is not changes to universal truth but discovery and definition of that truth for human comprehension.

Your picture is fake btw

>>131747501
I did the same and I came to the same conclusion. Most enlightening was reading Irenaeus "against heresy" 3rd century book, where the errors of gnosticism, its different sects, their teachings, and their origins with Simon Magus are greatly detailed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwSaZSEaK9U&list=PLttf8KPiXfw_zFb9ileHdmLSLi2NXtQ94

He gives very good insight into exactly why gnosticism was propagated. Satan is the ape of God, he will take an elaborate faith but change some essential details, denying the divinity of Christ, or the absoluteness of God. Hence also islam. Hence why heresies are dangerous and much more satanic than those black metal idiots from Scandinavia.

>>131747655
Is not about the sabbath but about the man. They would have accused you of judaizing.

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>>131747186
yet they're missing from every hardversion of the catholic bibles that don't specifically include the Apocrypha

>>131747829
>Sin begins in the heart. People could have multiple reasons to say father so with multiple intents that begin in the heart the act itself has no reason to be considered sin in itself but the intent behind it. If you look at the full context of the scene here it portrays a teaching Jesus had of the pharisees that is much more in depth than "don't call people with word, no matter what the reason". In this case the point was not to listen to the pharisees that proudly findthemselves as authorities but rather look to God.

Yup i agree with this and Jesus commands still stands only the Catholic church has taken over the role of the Pharisees

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>>131748137
That's literally not true and only the case for Protestants. You're calling Catholics out for doing things only Protestants do.

>>131748154
>That last part

...what?

>>131747973
According to Jesus you should call no religious figure teacher for he is your only teacher

>And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. (Matthew 23:10)

>>131747766
Well it is more important that you confess than who witnesses your confession. Your penance and personal confession ultimately mean nothing while you reject confessing to priests who are ready to hear it for only bishops have the power to with old and grant absolution. As long as you are confessing to a catholic bishop\priest then that's all that matters. You might spend a long time searching for your perfect flavour of priest but if you die in that time you will go to hell because you denied repentance is favour of ego. I suggest going to your local catholic parish this Saturday