/Christ/chan CHRISTIAN GENERAL - JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH,

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VISION: The Lord gave me a vision of a large, empty wine glass.

Then the Lord said, “Read the following scriptures and understand what they say. Then proceed to read My Words.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

PROPHECY: Then the Lord said, “You saw that large wine glass?”

“Yes”, I said.

Suppose this empty wine glass is a person, and when the wine glass gets full of Holy Wine the person is saved. It does not matter how the wine glass gets filled, as long as it gets filled. Every time this person hears My Word, he gets a portion of a table spoon of Wine placed in his wine glass. It does not matter if it comes from half truths or words that have some truth. It could come from a movie, a misled pastor, like some people say, a bible with the wrong title on it. It does not matter whether it’s half truth or some truth. It gives this person some Holy Wine that will be placed in his wine glass. The reason is this: My Word does not come back void.

So do not believe people, who say, “Do not watch that or read that, because that is not the full truth from God.” For Jehovah, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit control how My Lambs get their fill. Some people get their wine glass filled quickly, others more slowly. The important thing is, people need to seek Jehovah, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, and get saved. So be it! So be it! So be it!

>>130922198
Excellent verses from scripture

How is it even possible to believe in faith alone and scripture alone when they contradict eachother

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>>130922480
https://youtu.be/9--lTQh7dUs

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLZEgzgt6_I

>>130922641
Dumb fag. Go get stoned

What does this have to do with politics

>>130923021
Protestantism is false

>>130923026
Proddies being dumb as usual

>>130923023
Why are you rude towards me :(

>>130923084
Because I hate fags

Get out

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>>130923105
I'm not a fag

>>130922198
Jesus is a shitskin, antiwhite, open borders, socialist.

Fuck off Jesus.

>>130923147
Animeposting is what gays do

/pol/ is anti proddie

>>130923213
Christianity is Asian masculinity

WE BE STEALING WHITE CULTURE WHILE WHITEY GET UGLY ASIAN WOMEN

>Ameribibles

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NHQJWdXfFE

>>130923254
PLATO IS ASIAN

>>130923263
More like ameribables

Cheisriani5y is for asians only

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>>130923182
>Animeposting is what gays do
I'm sorry, I cannot be a gay.

>>130923273
Dumb proddi

>>130923321
Gays post anime

Fuck off fsggot

FUCK OF WHITEY

ASIAN WOMEN FOR ASIAN MEM

>>130923178
>t.ex Lefty

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Gentle reminder that the pope is a true christian following christ's teachings authentically.

>>130923406
BLACK WOMEN FOR WHITE MEN

Has anyone seen Marching to Zion, it's fucking amazing, really eye-opening to the Jews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=styLx-iWwC8

>>130923441
WHITE WOMEN FOR WHITE MEN

>>130923321
who is the figurine

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>>130923371
Being rude to girls is against our tradition, British anon

>>130923479
Rei from evangelion.

>>130923489
Lesbian is still wrong

>>130922198
>using KJV
when will this meme end, use a translation from Greek, not vulgate latin.

>>130923530
Being a girl doesn't mean you can lesbian

>>130923432
He is an Ex Jesuit you albo heathen. Dont mistake proto communism for Christianity. Have fun and believe in Jesus as he took all sins, past, present and future on him, knowing man is a sinner.

>>130922641
Seen. Good stuff on why faith leads to works naturally and faith without works is not faith at all

>>130923595
Use koine Greek

Not shit

if people are actually christian here I think a lot of them are going to hell
how do you know god is real

>>130923652
And why that means you have no excuse to be lazy as that means you have no faith

That btfo sola fide

>>130923672
Only asians go to heaven

Stop wmaf

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This song is really good
https://youtu.be/zyIR4N5EFt8

>>130923718
Why am I so Good?

>>130923725
No

It sucks.

Like you a lesbian suck roast beef

>>130923655
I'm learning Koine actually, started with Attic and moved on, I'm just saying If you are going to use a translation use an actual translation rather than a translation of a translation that is written in a 500 year old English.

>>130923702
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12:41-44

The poor widow had faith and she was driven by the faith to put some money in the treasury

>>130923809
Or you can just read the fragments they find

Prove you know greek

>>130923809
Hear hear. Always go back to the original sources. The key of scientific and historical practises

>>130923820
The poor widow didn't merely sola fide dumb lesbo

>>130923899
And stop wmaf

>>130923923
I want to kill every single white person in existence

>>130923702
>>130923902

Being lazy is a sin anyway, first faith and then one would naturally commit the work.
https://www.gotquestions.org/laziness-Bible.html

>>130923950
I hurled shit at a wmaf couple last night and beat up the whitey scum

Deus vult

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>>130922198

so this is how the internet is

>>130923966
Sola Fide is a sin

>>130923966
According to gotwuesrions god mind control you

So be a stupid lesbian puppet

>>130923988
Die wmaf

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>>130922198

Why do Catholics worship the Virgin Mary isn't that idolatry?

>>130924051
I am too smart for this world

>>130924068
Why do early Christians do the same shit?

>>130922198

I believe Christian morals are the most successful for the modern world, I like to consider myself Christian athiest. I can't take the mysticism seriously though. Convince me how biblical god has any truth? It makes much more sense to take the stories of the bible as wise metaphors and folklore with moral teaching then reality

>>130923809
>>130923595
You seem to be misinformed, the KJV comes directly from the Greek, and was translated by the most brilliant minds in the realm. Cross checking with what St.Jerome had written in Latin isn't translating from Latin.

What (((modern))) translation do (You) use, shabbos goy?

>>130924068
martyrdompolycarp.html

>>130923627
Christianity is a slave religion and christian behavior is a way of protest for the powerless against those who have all the earthly power.

Being christian when you're in power is pathethic and cucked.

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>>130924002
Any verse which stands against sola fide?
There's also sola scriptura so we can't be lazy having faith alone don't hand on with one sola, solas are dependent on each other.

Atleast I don't have to pay for Cash4Heaven™ to the Vatican.

>>130924156
Wrong. It ignores the septuagint

>>130924125
And you are a snowflake loser

>>130924068
We don't. Latria is reserved only for god

>>130924196
All of them

Like cornelus

>>130924223

fuck off you gook

>>130924196
Sola scripture is so retarded that bible scholars reject it

>>130924281
Die

>>130924125
As long as you were baptised in the name of the trinity you are a christian anon. As for theism watch this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM

>>130924239
And suck your mom nipple

>>130923857
I don't know greek ffs, I only have a year in it.
I just finished Athenaze and beginning to read bible just now.
>>130924156
Huh, interesting I thought It was from Vulgate and Mr King James deliberately omitted some parts from it, If what you say is true I'll look into it, thank you.

Personally right now I use interlinear, it is greek+the grammar+english vocab, its a nice method to improve your greek skill tbqh.

>>130924380
You sre a lroddie loser

So not christian

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>>130924276
Why are you hiding your British flag, Alroy.
>>130924325
>>130924325

>Sola scripture is so retarded that bible scholars reject it

What?

>>130924403
Then go to hell

>>130924431
Lesbian go to hell

>>130924431

The fathers of the church spoke as they did because they regarded themselves as interpreters of the Scriptures. Therefore they are not to be made a substitute for the Scriptures;nor can the Scriptures be understood apart from the authoritative interpretation which tradition places upon them...if tradition is primitive, Protestant theology must admit that ‘Scripture alone’ requires redefinition. (Jaroslav Pelikan,Obedient Rebels, Harper & Row: New York, N. Y., 1964, p. 180 – bold emphasis mine.)

>>130924196
"Not by faith alone" James.

Where does it say scripture alone in the scripture?

Funny that protestant go on about cash for heaven yet I only see protestant churches constantly demanding all your shekels and getting angry and guilty tripping you if you don't given. Whereas in catholicism there is no obligation to give

>>130924445
careful with that edge, don't cut yourself

>>130924583

The divine Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, as opposed to human writings; and the oral tradition or living faith of the catholic church from the apostles down, as opposed tothe varying opinions of heretical sects—together form one infallible source and rule of faith. Both are vehicles of the same substance: the saving revelation of God in Christ; with this difference in form and office, thatthe church tradition determines the canon, furnishes the key and true interpretation of the Scriptures, and guards them against heretical abuse.(Philip Schaff,History of the Christian Church, Eerdmans: Grand Rapids, MI, 1981 ed., vol. 3, p. 606 – bold emphasis mine.)

Scarf is a reformed proddi

>>130924570
Pelican is a Lutheran proddi

ITT: Niggers, gooks and kike lovers LARPing as white people.

Kill all Christkikes, gas all cheek turning cucks.

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Ready for some serious fucking Crusader-tier Redpills Christgen?

>The human face of destiny.

>The prophecies of John of Jerusalem are a set of prophetic texts, known only by two books published in France in 1994 and 1998 (see References below). The preface of the book gives only brief information on their origin.
>According to the publisher, the author of these prophecies is John of Jerusalem (also called Jean de Vézelay or Jean de Mareuil), a crusader who participated in the conquest of Jerusalem in 1099.
Born in Burgundy in 1042 AD. JC, Jean was raised on the Camino de Santiago by religious, became a monk and knight, he would have gone on in the Holy Land of the First Crusade to regain Jerusalem from the Turks, who had seized twenty years earlier. He would have done it then knowing Hugues de Payens, with whom he had founded the Order of the Temple. He died in Jerusalem around 1119 – 1120 AD. J.C.
Shortly before his death, John of Jerusalem wrote seven copies of his book of prophecies. He would have given 3 to Bernard of Clairvaux (Saint Bernard), who have donated one of them to the monastery of Vézelay, the other four remaining examples were sent to various people.
>This visionary prophecy describes the present time with a fascinating acuity …
It was written in 1099 by John of Jerusalem (or Jean de Vezelay), one of the eight founders of the Knights Templar.

The first part of the prophecy is a dire prediction for the period of 2000, « the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand. » In contrast, the second part of the prophecy announces a new and hopeful era, « when it is full of the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand » …
Part 1 of (?)

>>130924607
I am edgeless

>>130924068
>>130924239
>>130924095
Take the red pill on thr pagan Roman church.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary
>The Latin Catholic Feast of the Assumption is celebrated on 15 August, and the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholics celebrate the Dormition of the Theotokos (the falling asleep of the Mother of God) on the same date, preceded by a 14-day fast period. Eastern Christians believe that Mary died a natural death, that her soul was received by Christ upon death, and that her body was resurrected on the third day after her death and that she was taken up into heaven bodily in anticipation of the general resurrection. Her tomb was found empty on the third day.

>"... Orthodox tradition is clear and unwavering in regard to the central point [of the Dormition]: the Holy Virgin underwent, as did her Son, a physical death, but her body – like His – was afterwards raised from the dead and she was taken up into heaven, in her body as well as in her soul. She has passed beyond death and judgement, and lives wholly in the Age to Come. The Resurrection of the Body ... has in her case been anticipated and is already an accomplished fact. That does not mean, however, that she is dissociated from the rest of humanity and placed in a wholly different category: for we all hope to share one day in that same glory of the Resurrection of the Body which she enjoys even now."[33]

Wake up and smell the Ishtar pagan heresy, papist.

>>130924412
I'm roman catholic anon. This is catholic dogma on what defines a christian. Even protestants can be christians

>>130924637
Several publications by evangelicals have argued that the doctrine of sola scriptura was practiced, though implicitly, in the hermeneutical thinking of the early church. Such an argument is using a very specific agenda for the reappropriation of the early church: reading the ancient Fathers through the leans of post-Reformational Protestantism…Scripture can never stand completely independent of the ancient consensus of the church’s teaching without serious hermeneutical difficulties…the real question, as the patristic age discovered, is, Which tradition will we use to interpret the Bible?(D. H. Williams,Retrieving the Tradition & Renewing Evangelicalism, pp. 229, 234 – bold emphasis mine.)

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>>130924657
Prophecy full:

« Protocol secret prophecies »
John of Jerusalem – 1099

I see and know.

My eyes find in heaven what will and I passed the time with a single step.
A hand to guide me what you see or do not know.

A thousand years have passed and Jerusalem will never be the Crusader city of Christ.
The sand will be buried in his grain walls of our castles, our armor and our bones. It has stifled our voices and prayers.

Christians from afar as pilgrims where their law and their faith were not dare to approach the tomb and relics qu’escortés by Knights Jews who here (…) and their Kingdom Hall. (1)

Infidels are an innumerable crowd spread everywhere
and faith resonate like a drum across the Earth. (2)

I see the huge earth.

Continents named Herodotus in his dreams will be added beyond the great forests which Tacitus, and away after endless seas begin after the Pillars of Hercules. (3)

A thousand years have passed since the time we live and strongholds will have all gathered in great kingdoms and vast empires.

Wars as numerous as the meshes of the coat worn by the Knights of the Order will be crossed, defeating kingdoms and empires, weaving others. (4)

And serfs, the peasants, the poor will not fire a thousand times revolted, burning crops, castles and cities, until they are skinned alive and being forced survivors to return to their dens.

They are raw Kings. (5)

A thousand years have passed and the man has earned the seabed and the heavens
and it will be like a star in the firmament.

It has acquired the power of the sun and it will be taken for God,
Building on the huge earth thousand towers of Babel. (6)

It will be built on the ruins of the walls of those that had raised the emperors of Rome, and they will separate again Legions Barbarians and Tribes.

Beyond the great forests will be an empire.
When the walls will collapse the Empire no longer a muddy water.
The people will once again be involved.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDp8nHvCp1o

Actual miracle.

>>130924671
Except the early Christians love Mary

And martyrs

Deal with it

>>130924403
Here is a pretty good rundown of the KJV, Tyndale, and the modern NWO Bibles.
https://youtu.be/kFtI_mVOXbQ

>>130924805
And none of the early Christians accept proddi

Deal with it

>>130924125
The way you are looking at truth is flawed.

I think you would agree that reading Shakespeare for 24 hours would net you more benefit than just living regularly for 24 hours, right?

After all the reason we read books is because the author has taken the knowledge and experience of thousands of others (over hundreds of years in some cases) and distilled the useful truth of that experience and knowledge into the pages.

One might go so far as to say that stories are truer than reality because they are the product of the refinement of real life.

In that sense, the Bible may not be literally true in the sense you're thinking (I.e the events happening exactly as described) but true in a different sense.

When you read the bible, don't think of Christian mythology as a superstitious scientific theory because it isn't.

Science can tell you that broccoli will make you healthier if you eat it regularly, but you still have to make a value based judgment to eat it despite its taste. the question is where those values come from. cont...

>>130924805
Perhaps the most important aspect of the rule of faith is that it gives us what the Church conceived to be ‘the main body of truth’(to use Irenaeus’ phrase). The Scriptures are, after all, a body of documents testifying to God’s activity towards men in Christ. They are not a rule of faith, nor a list of doctrines, nor a manual of the articles of a Christian man’s belief.In the rule of faith we have a key to what the Church thought the Scriptures came to, where it was, so to speak, that their weight fell, what was their drift. This interpretation of their drift was itself tradition, a way of handling the Scriptures, a way of living in them and being exposed to their effect, which, while not an original part of the Christian Gospel, not itself the paradosis par excellence, had been developed from the Gospel itself, from its heart, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as an essential part of the existence of the Christian faith in history…

We cannot recognize the rule of faith as original tradition, going back by oral continuity independently of Scripture to Christ and his apostles. But we can recognize it as the tradition in which the Church was interpreting Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and as such claim it as an essential ingredient of historical Christianity. (R.P.C. Hanson,Tradition In The Early Church, pp. 128, 129 – bold emphasis mine.)

>>130924866
The five solar are false

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>>130924744
>Then begin the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand.
>I see and I know what it will be.
I am the scribe.
>When start the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand Man will be at the mouth of a shadow of a dark labyrinth.
>And I see the bottom of this night in which he will press the red eyes of the Minotaur.
>Beware his cruel wrath, you who will live the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand.

And here shit starts getting really bad.

>When start the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand
>The Gold is in the Blood
>Look at the stars who will count the money
>Will enter the Temple will meet merchants
>Sovereigns will changers and usurers
>The Glaive defend the Snake

>But the fire incubates
>Each city is Sodom and Gomorrah
>And the children’s children become the pyroclastic
>They will throw the old banners

2
>When start the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand
>Man has populated the heavens and the earth and its creatures Seas
>He will command
>He wants the power of God
>He will know no limits

>But everything will turn
>It titubera like a drunken king
>It gallop like a blind knight
>And the spur he push his mount in the forest
>Down the road is the abyss

3
>When start the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand
>Will rise at all points of the Land of Towers of Babel
>This is Rome and Byzantium, it will
>The fields will be emptied
>There will act as himself and his band

>But the barbarians will be in town
>There will be no bread for all
>And the games will no longer suffice
>So people without a future
>Illuminate large fires
Part 3 of (?)

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>>130924583
2 Timothy 3:16
Sola scriptura doesn't nullify tradition but destroys those rituals made by priests for profit.

Anyway if you think sola scriptura nullifies church tradition I'm afraid there might be some misunderstanding but then it's okay, in the end we are all Christians.

>>130924956

The first clear attitude to emerge on the relation between Scripture, tradition and the church wasthe coincidence view: thatthe teaching of the church, Scripture and tradition coincide.Apostolic tradition is authoritativebut does not differ in content from the Scriptures.The teaching of the church is likewise authoritativebut is only the proclamation of the apostolic message found in Scripture and tradition. The classical embodiment of the coincidence view is found in the writings of Irenaeus and Tertullian.

These both reject the Gnostic claims to a secret tradition supplementing Scripture.Apostolic tradition does not add to Scripture but is evidence of how it is correctly to be interpreted. This tradition is found in those churches which were founded by the apostles, who taught men whose successors teach today. These apostolic churches agree as to the content of the Christian message, in marked contrast to the variations among the heretics. It is important to note that it isthe church which is the custodian of Scripture and tradition and which has the authentic apostolic message. There was no question of appealing to Scripture or tradition against the church. This is partly because the apostolic tradition was found in the church but not just for this reason:the Holy Spirit preserves the church from error and leads her into the truth. The real concern of Irenaeus and Tertullian was not with the relation between Scripture and tradition but withthe identity of ecclesiastical with apostolic teaching. Any exposition of their teaching on Scripture and tradition which fails to show this is to that extent defective. (A.N.S. Lane, “Scripture, Tradition and Church: An Historical Survey”,Vox Evangelica, Volume IX – 1975, pp. 39, 40 – bold emphasis mine.)

Sorry proddies

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>>130924759
>BRMMBRABABA
>BRBRMAMABABABABA

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>niggers are christcucks too

>>130925028
It does you dumbass

Why? Because it says all tradition submit to the bible


But let's look at history


The first clear attitude to emerge on the relation between Scripture, tradition and the church wasthe coincidence view: thatthe teaching of the church, Scripture and tradition coincide.Apostolic tradition is authoritativebut does not differ in content from the Scriptures.The teaching of the church is likewise authoritativebut is only the proclamation of the apostolic message found in Scripture and tradition. The classical embodiment of the coincidence view is found in the writings of Irenaeus and Tertullian.

These both reject the Gnostic claims to a secret tradition supplementing Scripture.Apostolic tradition does not add to Scripture but is evidence of how it is correctly to be interpreted. This tradition is found in those churches which were founded by the apostles, who taught men whose successors teach today. These apostolic churches agree as to the content of the Christian message, in marked contrast to the variations among the heretics. It is important to note that it isthe church which is the custodian of Scripture and tradition and which has the authentic apostolic message. There was no question of appealing to Scripture or tradition against the church. This is partly because the apostolic tradition was found in the church but not just for this reason:the Holy Spirit preserves the church from error and leads her into the truth. The real concern of Irenaeus and Tertullian was not with the relation between Scripture and tradition but withthe identity of ecclesiastical with apostolic teaching. Any exposition of their teaching on Scripture and tradition which fails to show this is to that extent defective. (A.N.S. Lane, “Scripture, Tradition and Church: An Historical Survey”,Vox Evangelica, Volume IX – 1975, pp. 39, 40 – bold emphasis mine.)

What makes it so fucking difficult for protestants to behave in a secular manner at work and in public?

>>130925028
Quote it for me as protestant bibles are different to catholic ones

Love me some daily bread. Deus vult brother

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>>130925013
4
>When start the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand
>Hunger tighten the belly as men
>And cold bleuira both hands
>Let them want to see another world
>And dream merchants who will offer the poison

>But it will destroy the bodies and souls rot
>And those who have mingled their blood poison
>Be as wild animal caught in a trap
>And violate and kill and steal and rançonneront
>And life will become Apocalypse every day

5
>When start the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand
>Everyone try to enjoy everything it can
>Man divorces his wife many times he will marry
>And the woman go through the lost paths (hollow) taking that which pleases
>Mothering without giving the name of the Father

>But no master will guide the Child
>And each of the others will only
>The tradition will be lost
>The law will be forgotten
>As if the Ad was not made and the man will return to wild

6
>When start the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand
>The father takes his pleasure with her daughter
>The man with the man’s wife with the woman
>The old with the prepubertal child
>And it will be in everyone’s eyes

>But the blood will become impure
>The evil will spread from bed to bed
>The body rots host all the earth
>Faces are eaten the emaciated limbs
>Love will be high threat to those who do not know that the flesh
Part 4 of (?)

>Gen 1:26–28
>And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likenesss. and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.' And God created man in His image, in the image of God He created him, male and female created He them. And God blessed them; and God said to them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

>Gen 9:6
>One who spills the blood of man, through/by man, his blood will be spilled, for in God's image He made man.

>Deut. 4:19
>And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldn't be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

>Ps. 82:6
>I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

>Wisdom of Solomon 2:23:
>For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity.

>Sirach 17:1-4:
>1 The Lord created man of the earth, and turned him into it again.
>2 He gave them few days, and a short time, and power also over the thing therein.
>3 He endued them with strength by themselves, and made them according to his image,
>4 And put the fear of man upon all flesh, and gave him dominion over beasts and fowls.

>2 Esdras 8:44:
>But people, who have been formed by your hands and are called your own image because they are made like you, and for whose sake you have formed all things – have you also made them like the farmer's seed?

>I hate mary
Meanwhile in early cjris5ian
In accordance with this design,Mary the Virginis foundobedient, saying,Behold the handmaid of theLord; be it unto me according to your word.Luke1:38ButEvewas disobedient; for she did notobeywhen as yet she was avirgin. And even as she, having indeed a husband,Adam, but being nevertheless as yet avirgin(for inParadisethey were both naked, and were not ashamed,Genesis2:25inasmuch as they, having beencreateda short time previously, had no understanding of the procreation of children: for it wasnecessarythat they should first come to adult age,and then multiply from thattimeonward), having become disobedient, was made thecauseof death, both to herself and to the entirehuman race; so also didMary, having amanbetrothed[to her], and being nevertheless avirgin, by yieldingobedience, become thecauseofsalvation, both to herself and the wholehuman race.

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This schizzo goy is the best evidence against Catholicism and Anglicism etc you will find in this thread. This son of Belial had been spamming every christian thread since ladt year.

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>>130925120
Alroy, I'm not against Catholics why not try talking to your local ulster protestants?

>>130925140
2 Timothy 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

>>130925286
Hey there are good a Anglican protestants, I am one :)

>>130925286
Tell me when you actually cite scholarship

>>130922198
spoiler: christianity doesnt work in reality.

that whole shit's totally made up and makes you just buying into a lie for the sake of temporary good feelings at the cost of denying reality

>>130925386
Too bad loser

That's history

And history shows no sola scripture

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>>130925187
7
When start the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand
Whoever speaks Oath and Law
Will not be heard
Anyone who preach the Faith of Christ
Lose its voice in the wilderness

But everywhere spread the mighty waters of the infidels religions
False messiahs will gather the blind men
And the unfaithful will be armed as he was never
He will speak of justice and law and faith will be burning and cutting
He will avenge the Crusade

8
When start the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand
The sound of death given as the storm roll on earth
The barbarians are mixed with the soldiers of the last legion
The infidels living in the heart of the Holy Cities
Everyone will turn barbaric, infidel and wild

There will be no order or rule
The hatred will spread like fire in dry forest
The barbaric massacre soldiers
Slay the unbelievers believers
The savagery will each and every and cities perish

https://michelduchaine.com/2013/05/12/re-writing-history-the-prophecy-of-john-of-jerusalem/
Rest of the translated prophecy is here, whilst doomsayers are in every age, and every Cicero decries a crisis in morality in their era.
Sometimes the Doomsayer is right. And the cyclical Empire structure goes for another loop.

>>130925386
You are a loser lesbian like all Anglicans

>>130925386
Doesn't say scripture alone

>>130925484
Matthew 25:31-46 - 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee and hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal

>>130925400
>Tell me when you actually cite scholarship
>>130925286
You will know because those posts wont contain a (You), lad.

>>130922198
That fell when this is politically incorrect.... fuck this world... and yes the progressive SJW degenerates will attack you as bigot and primitive..

>>130925410
If Christianity is about temporarily making yourself feel good why in the fuck would hell be a thing?

Why believe there is even the possibility of eternal suffering?

>>130925646
Tell me when you actually have history and scholarship

I am waiting

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>>130925484
Hey don't be rude, words are mightier than sword.

Ephesians 4:29 (ESV)

29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

>>130925561
Would you read an article on gotquestions cause I'm about to post the link

>>130925686
Jesus used Scripture as the final court of appeal in every matter under dispute. To the Sadducees He said, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God" (Matthew 22:29 NIV). He told some Pharisees that they invalidated the Word of God by their tradition which has been handed down (Mark 7:13). Jesus informed them, "Neglecting the commandment of God you hold to the tradition of men" (Mark 7:8). To the devil Jesus consistently responded, "It is written (Matthew 4:4-10). Following Jesus' lead, Scripture alone must be our supreme and final authority, pp. 57-58.

Rhodes’ assertion is incorrect. Jesus did not use Scripture as his final court of appeal ineverymatter under dispute. This is plain in reading Scripture. First of all, Jesus' own words were authoritative regardless of whether he quoted Scripture or not. Now, there was a dispute between the scribes and Jesus. The scribes claimed that, for example, he was possessed by the demon Beelzebul. How did Jesus respond, by quoting Scripture? No. Let’s see, Mk. 3:22-30:

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>>130925207
>Using the other cheek meme to denounce Christanity.

>>130925720
So much for sola fide

Stupid lesbo

>>130925737
And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Be-el'zebul, and by the prince of demons he casts out the demons." 23 And he called them to him, and said to them in parables, "How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26 And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end. 27 But no one can enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man; then indeed he may plunder his house. 28 "Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin" -- 30 for they had said, "He has an unclean spirit."

He quotes absolutely no Scripture at all in this dispute to show that he was not in collusion with Satan. He uses plain logic. He talks about forgiving sins, an essential doctrinal issue. Then he creates a totally new doctrine, that there is a sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. This was a matter of dispute, and Scripture was not referred or even alluded to. This Scripture alone shows that it is false to say that Scripture is the final matter of all disputes.

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>>130925453
One last excerpt:

16
>When start the Year Thousand that comes after Year Thousand
>Men will be so many lands
>They look like an anthill in which the stick is pressed
>They grouilleront and death will crush heel
>Like insects distraught

>Large movements push them from one country to another
>Brown skins will mingle with white skins
>The Faith of Christ to that of the Infidel
>Some preach the sworn peace
>But all this will be the war of enemy tribes

This was in 1099 AD.
wew fucking lad.

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Lots of kikes, snackbars, and faggots in every Christian thread trying to divide and derail.

Christianity is the way to salvation and saving the earth from its current plagues and they are afraid of it. A new reformed church will rise and bring together all Christians and turn again and exterminate all sinners.

>>130925834
He appeals to his own divinity in some cases, and to his own words without necessarily quoting Scripture as proof of that (for example, John 5:32-47). Another example is when there was a dispute on whether Jesus had authority to forgive sins. The scribes said he did not have authority at all. Did He refer to Scripture to say He had authority? Let us examine Matthew 9:1-8

1 And getting into a boat he crossed over and came to his own city. 2 And behold, they brought to him a paralytic, lying on his bed; and when Jesus saw their faith he said to the paralytic, "Take heart, my son; your sins are forgiven." 3 And behold, some of the scribes said to themselves, "This man is blaspheming." 4 But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, "Why do you think evil in your hearts? 5 For which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Rise and walk'? 6But that you may know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" --he then said to the paralytic--"Rise, take up your bed and go home."7 And he rose and went home. 8 When the crowds saw it, they were afraid, and they glorified God, who had given such authority to men.

>>130925878

As a Christian do you believe that Judaism should be eradicated?

>>130922198
>Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What then is the will of the Father? Christ tells us in John 6:40

>"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise
him up at the last day."

>But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

>And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

>For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Its almost like were being warned about relying on our works, and that salvation is a free gift from God.

>>130925484
>loser lesbian
goddamn, how can CofE allow this? i'm convinced it isn't a real church, but a honeypot

>>130925910
Jesus did not quote or allude to Scripture at all to make a doctrinal point. The doctrinal point was that he had authority to forgive sins. He pointed to His miracle power and expected them to get this by the miracle, that Man was given authority to forgive sins. This would lay the precedent for Jesus giving the apostles such authority in John 20:22-23. Nonetheless, there was a doctrinal issue, Jesus appealed to a miracle to show that he had authority to forgive sins. So much for Scripture being always the 'final court of arbitration'.

Although Scripture is an important reference point for Jesus, it was not his only reference point. He used his own authority. Of course traditions of men are to be rejected when it contradicts Scripture. Not when it contradicts Rhodes, nor Geisler's interpretation of Scripture. They were never authorized to be the final court of appeal. When Christ commissioned His Church when He said 'He who hears you hears me', not 'He who reads you reads me' (Lk. 10:16),

>>130925930
Funny John and Matthew imply a judgement based on action

>>130925767
>completely cucked religion aka kike scam
>b-b-b-b-but
yeah, you're all cucked to the max by the kikes and your kike idol.

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>>130924125
Know that Jesus is the truth.
Know that the world is lying to you along, world is flat, look it up.
Know that Satan is real and the people who run the world worship him, search rotschild and thier satanic beliefs, and how they fund everything. Most Freemasons at the top worship the devil, baphomet.
Know that they are reining in a new world order soon, and they want to destroy all religions especially Christianity.

>>130925944
Protestantism isn't christian

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>>130922198
>130922198

Can any Christian Anons tell me if they've looked into this or not? So I've been looking into "tribes" mentioned within the bible and this is what I've come up with so far:

> Japheth = Mongoloid
> Ham = Negroid
> Shem = Caucasoid

Now, I've been trying to find out which tribes are which, specifically for Shem. He had the following tribes originate from him (pic attached). My question is, has anyone looked into white people are which yet? A lot of "end time" biblical prophecy deals specifically with the Shems descendants and it's been something I've been looking into and wondering about.

>>130926104
Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty.They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that theEucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sinsand which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead.""Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.

>>130925878
>salvation
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
good goy, good goy. worship the kike on a stick goy.

>>130925720
No as got questions.org is slanderous satanic and lying. It also isn't scripture so why would you believe it

>>130925930
John 6:48-58:

48 I am the bread of life. 49Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." 52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" 53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. 58This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died;he who eats this bread will live for ever."


Did you believe him when he said this?

>>130925925
Yes. Judaism is satanism

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>>130925776
You might think you're destroying your opponent who's of your same faith but in real you're just bringing tears to my eyes. So much for trying to help anons on a imageboard.
I'm not going to post here again you're not going to stop hurting me or others but I'll pray for you. God bless you anon, good bye

>>130926059
>flat earther
>worships a kike
>the world is lying
>takes bullshit book written by kikes and niggers as truth
lol, when do you adopt nigger babies?

>>130924866

I understand that, The bible is a wealth of perception into humanity over the years. Jordan Peterson's videos have convinced me this far out of simple Nihilism. I believe there's a god, but the connection of any human depiction of god has any truth to who that god might be or what it cares of the world at all is where I seem to stop. I mean no disrespect to people who have found that connection

>>130926301
yeah, fuck off you sandnigger subhuman ape.

>>130922198
>Jesus is the way

Yet Christianity teaches you to worship Jewish demons instead

Get a brain Moran

>>130925686
that whole theology doesnt add up; its full of flaws, loopholes and inconsistencies. there's nothing after this life, once our bodies die that has been it.
christfags cant handle this particular truth of life.

that + a lot of things "they dont really understand" + fear makes them buy into this fairytale, but eventually no one in this cult knows how it really is and one blind person leads another blind person astray.

christianity is also full of weak fags, poor people and weirdos

>>130926301
Maybe when you be my girlfriend I will reconsider

>>130926331
>people who have found that connection
these people belong in a mental institution and should be heavily medicated because their delusional.

>>130926301
Hahahahahahahahaha

Go to reddit if you want help

>>130925834
What is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost? I probrably read a couple of anons blapheming post over the 10+ years ive been here, does that eternally damn me?

>>130926160
Do what?

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>>130925925
All nonbelievers will be exterminated.

Each Christian's faith will be tested.

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>>130926449
>christkike looking for butt love
not surprised

>>130926516
This is the blasphemy, shilling wmaf

I only have Catholic churches around me, no real Christian churches (ie. Reformed or Lutheran)

What to do in this case?

Help me /pol/ ... I don't want to go to Papist mass.

>>130926585
I will rape the shit out of that djitskin

>>130926591
Protestantism is false you retard

>>130926591
Tell me when you read history and the early Christians

>>130926544
>whites a minority in cuckstianity
not surprised

>>130926677
Based on your other posts ITT, I don't think your opinion is worth anything, sorry.

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>>130926591
lel

As a non-Christian who have never been to church or anything but enjoy christian apologetics, Catholicism or Orthodox is clearly the correct Christian denomination.

Peace and love to all of you. Praying for us all and our enemies.

Would you guys give me your interpretation of relinquishing all possessions and endlessly giving to the poor?

Also how you all manage to deny yourself so we are not working for the self-god, but the only God in Heaven. I'm trying my hardest to follow and understand Jesus, but I've been struggling with these.

>>130926063
>Protestantism isn't christian
there's no way i'm converting to catholicism with a sissy pope kissing refugee feet. maybe if urban II was in charge, but i'll keep my "chris hedges" style fascist protestantism until then.

>>130926782
Ok show.me how protesrantidm.is true to the early church fathers

With academic and historical sources


If you can't

You are a delusional regard

>>130926644
lol, you're too fat to get out of your moms basement you useless piece of shit. and even if you'd make it out, your dick is probably about 1.5", good enough to rape 6yo choir boys but not much more.

>>130926800
You can just reject the proddied without doing that

>>130926800
Dude, Catholicism was never good.
It has never taught pure Christianity.

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Why do we have all these meme translations?

Reminder that the theory of relativity and all of the physics that built upon it (ie, "Quantum Mechanics") is a bourgeois pseudoscience that is nothing more than idealistic ramblings paired with mathematics.
This "science" is without merit and utterly empty; it is absolutely incompatible with the basis for all science, dialectical materialism.

As you can see, most people espousing it like Michio Kaku, are complete nuts as they say it "proves" that their is a god.
The rise of quantum mechanics is nothing but another veneer to justify religion.


>Dialectical Materialism vs The New Physics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTYGHzZCBP8 [Embed]

There also is a book by the same title which is also very good. However, the video covers everything the book does.

>This book is a response to the myths created by an idealistic theory called "Relativity". Physics and cosmology has been in a disastrous crisis for almost a century. Mathematics is not physics, yet it is treated as such. The fourth dimension exists only in mathematical equations, not in reality. Black holes do not exist. Space is not curved. There is no fundamental "God particle" from which all matter is built. Objects do not carry their own time. Above all, consciousness does not determine reality. That is the old metaphysics masquerading as science. In addition, this book is a Marxist answer to Stephen Hawking and Michio Kaku's psuedo-scientific creationist theories.
>Here is the endorsement by Glenn Borchardt, Ph.D, author of "The Scientific Worldview" and Director of the Progressive Science Institute: "I want to congratulate you on the excellent piece of work! I definitely like your critique of Hawking and Kaku. It puts these jokers in their place. A great job! You have done so much that is needed to expose the BS that goes for physics and cosmology today."

You cannot accept that there is a God if you realize the "physics" that justify him simply have no basis in reality.

Christcucks BTFO'd eternally.

>>130926881
Kys

>>130926922
Tell me when you into bible studies

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>>130926430
So Christianity is both designed to make you feel better and is incoherent?

What are you trying to argue here?

>>130926924
Why don't you kys

>>130924125
>I believe Christian morals are the most successful for the modern world,
After drawing and quartering all the atheists and drowning all the witches and burning all the heretics, it's possible to create a "world" just like Islam is trying to create today.

>>130927007
Protestantism is false

>>130926798

To give to the poor is to provide salvation as Christ has done for humanity. Jesus knows that mankind is flawed which is why his sacrifice was necessary. We can only place our faith in him to absolve our sins and do our best to follow his example.

To accept him as the savior of God but to continue to do evil is insincere belief. What man would truly believe that the son of God gave mankind an example to follow and still question his practices?

To follow his example is a very difficult thing to do and shows the utmost devotion of your belief in his divinity. Even if you slip at times, if you exercise sincere belief in his sacrifice for your sins, you will be saved.

>>130926941
go rape little boys christkike, your god approves of it, you'll go to heaven if you rape little boys, it's written in the king fagoot pedo kike bible.

>>130927057
Protestantism is like Isis

>>130927071
Funny he says you have to eat and drink his flesh

You did notndo 8t

>>130927084
Eat shit whitey

>>130927084
>telling a catholic to read the king james bible
wew

>>130922198
Islam is the light.

>>130927150
Welcome to protddie

End wmaf

>>130926849
>You are a delusional regard
What does that even mean? Regard?
You sound really angry and confused.
As for the early Church fathers:

Clement of Rome (c. 30-100)
>“And we [Christians], too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

Didymus the Blind (c. 313-398)
>“…a person is saved by grace, not by works but by faith. There should be no doubt but that faith saves and then lives by doing its own works, so that the works which are added to salvation by faith are not those of the law but a different kind of thing altogether.”[39]

Hilary of Poitiers (c 315-67) on Matthew 20:7
>“Wages cannot be considered as a gift, because they are due to work, but God has given free grace to all men by the justification of faith.”

Basil of Caesarea (329-379)
>“Let him who boasts boast in the Lord, that Christ has been made by God for us righteousness, wisdom, justification, redemption. This is perfect and pure boasting in God, when one is not proud on account of his own righteousness but knows that he is indeed unworthy of the true righteousness and is (or has been) justified solely by faith in Christ.”

Need moar?

>>130927175
Islam is protestantism

>>130927123

Jesus taught in parables and yet you still take the scripture literally. You're a fool.

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>>130926938
>Commie
>using Bourgeois unironically
>dismissing quantum mechanics as a whole, despite it neither proving nor disproving God, only showcasing how little we know about anything in depth and how much of a meme you are
Could you be any more cringeworthy?

>>130926941
You're telling people to "kill themselves" because they are Protestant.
What a fine example of Catholic ethics / morality!

>>130926922
>Dude, Catholicism was never good.
>It has never taught pure Christianity.
I love tradition, and the mystical works of Echkhart are amazing. Pierre de Chardin is good too. Catholics need to incorporate guns into sermons like here in the US. http://archive.is/ZAQPK

>>130926716
>73 post by this ID

You help validate my belief in Christ, as your relentless determination to derail this thread goes hand in hand with Christian persecution. If I'm just deranged and stretching it, you are still awfully dedicated to derail this thread, and it speaks for itself.

>>130927204
Dumb retard

Here's what the same fathers said

body, Massachusetts, 1994, Vol. 1, pp. 13-14:

CHAP. XXX.--LET US DO THOSE THINGS THAT PLEASE GOD, AND FLEE FROM THOSE HE HATES, THAT WE MAY BE BLESSED.

Seeing, therefore, that we are the portion of the Holy One, let us do all those things which pertain to holiness, avoiding all evil-speaking, all abominable and impure embraces, together with all drunkenness, seeking after change,(3) all abominable lusts, detestable adultery, and execrable pride. "For God," saith [the Scripture],"resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble."(4)Let us cleave, then, to those to whom grace has been given by God. LET US CLOTHE OURSELVES WITH CONCORD AND HUMILITY, EVER EXERCISING SELF-CONTROL, STANDING FAR OFF FROM ALL WHISPERING AND EVIL-SPEAKING,BEING JUSTIFIED BY OUR WORKS,AND NOT OUR WORDS. For [the Scripture] saith, "He that speaketh much, shall also hear much in answer. And does he that is ready in speech deem himself righteous? Blessed is he that is born of woman, who liveth but a short time: be not given to much speaking."(5) Let our praise be in God, and not of ourselves; for God hateth those that commend themselves. Let testimony to our good deeds be borne by others, as it was in the case of our righteous forefathers. Boldness, and arrogance, and audacity belong to those that are accursed of God; but moderation, humility, and meekness to such as are blessed by Him.

>>130927221
These are strawmen.
I said it was false, and gave a grounded, realistic, and sound, theoretical foundation to back it up, which went ignored by you.

>>130927071
Thank you. Happy travels, brother.

>>130927285

Jesus hated tradition for it was what gave the pharisees the pride to reject the Messiah. These are the practices of man, not the practices of God.

There are many far-right people on /pol/ that reject Protestantism because it is the purest form of the gospel teachings. They prefer to keep the traditions of man melded with the teachings of God out of pride.

Church fathers taught sola fide, sola gratia. Papism is not Christianity.

Ambrose (c. 339-97)
>“Therefore let no one boast of his works, because no one can be justified by his works; but he who is just receives it as a gift, because he is justified by the washing of regeneration. It is faith, therefore, which delivers us by the blood of Christ, because blessed is he whose sins are forgiven, and to whom pardon is granted.”

Jerome (347-420) on Romans 10:3
>“God justifies by faith alone.” (Deus ex sola fide justificat).

Chrysostom (349-407)
>For Scripture says that faith has saved us. Put better: Since God willed it, faith has saved us. Now in what case, tell me, does faith save without itself doing anything at all? Faith’s workings themselves are a gift of God, lest anyone should boast. What then is Paul saying? Not that God has forbidden works but that he has forbidden us to be justified by works. No one, Paul says, is justified by works, precisely in order that the grace and benevolence of God may become apparent.

Chrysostom (349-407)
>If any man have an ill life with a right faith, his faith shall not shelter him from punishment, his work being burnt up.

Augustine (354-430)
>If Abraham was not justified by works, how was he justified? … Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness (Rom. 4:3; Gen. 15:6). Abraham, then, was justified by faith. Paul and James do not contradict each other: good works follow justification.

Augustine (354-430)
>“When someone believes in him who justifies the impious, that faith is reckoned as justice to the believer, as David too declares that person blessed whom God has accepted and endowed with righteousness, independently of any righteous actions (Rom 4:5-6). What righteousness is this? The righteousness of faith, preceded by no good works, but with good works as its consequence.”

>>130927204
Didymus

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0k5zCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=didymus+the+blind+progressive+salvation&source=bl&ots=LIk5ljibLp&sig=sXO9TOPVCxTmQJ98XwczFrhqqWQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3nNbJ2prUAhXIDMAKHSOlDAIQ6AEINDAC#v=onepage&q=didymus%20the%20blind%20progressive%20salvation&f=false

>>130927383
You're an unironic Marxist m8.
I can't make a strawman out of a burning Kulak field.

>>130922198
jesus was a kike

sage the kikes

>>130926938
>astrophysics student reporting in

these conclusions you reject are actually true, but they are only valid if you accept certain assumptions and change a few definitions.

these assumptions have proven useful however (see the use of special relativity in satellite communications) so I see no reason to reject them.

You seem to believe there is some sort of philosophical conspiracy theory behind modern physics is this the case?

>>130927551
>yet another strawman

>>130927344
All you do is insult people when you do not have arguments. You're angry, and full of resentment.

You do need Christ in your life.

See:
>>130927511

You are pathologically attached to "good works" because you want to boast (of them) --- but God has chosen sola gratia, sola fide as the way to justification precisely so that no one may boast (vide: Ephesians 2:9:

>NOT by works, lest any man should boast.

>>130927204
Basil

On the Spirit, Chap. 16, 40 They, then, that were sealed by the Spirit unto the day of redemption,(7) and preserve pure anti undiminished the first fruits which they received of the Spirit, are they that shall hear the words "well done thou good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things."(8) In like manner they which have grieved the Holy Spirit by the wickedness of their ways, or have not wrought for Him that gave to them, shall be deprived of what they have received, their grace being transferred to others; or, according to one of the evangelists, they shall even be wholly cut asunder,(9)--the cutting asunder meaning complete separation from the Spirit (NPNP2, vol. 8, p. 25).

>>130927204
Hillary
when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, He said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. (Mark 12:34) What is the meaning of such moderate praise?Believe in one God, and love Him with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy heart, and love thy neighbour as thyself; if this be the faith which makes man perfect for the Kingdom of God, why is not the Scribe already within, instead of not far from the Kingdom of Heaven? It is in another strain that He grants the Kingdom of Heaven to those who clothe the naked, feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, and visit the sick and the prisoner, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. (Mt. 25:34); or rewards the poor in spirit, Blessed are the poor in spirit: far theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven (Mt. 5:3, Lk. 6:20). Their gain is perfect, their possession complete, their inheritance of the kingdom prepared for them is secured. But was this young man's confession short of theirs? His ideal of duty raises love of neighbour to the level of love of self; what more did he want to attain to the perfection of good conduct? To be occasionally charitable, and ready to help, is not perfect love; but perfect love has fulfilled the whole duty of charity, when a man leaves no debt to his neighbour unpaid, but gives him as much as he gives ,himself. NPNF2, Vol. 9, p. 163.

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>>130927626
>yet another 100'000'000 dead

>>130926500

awh, are you hiding a leaf behind that fagflag? you sound so familiar

>>130927672
>doesn't address the argument when rebuttal is presented

>>130927007
my argue is that its an incoherent pile of shit by dozens of authors creating literal thousands of interpretations and after all there is so much truth to it as in Harry Potter ot StarWars.

tl;dr: christianity is total bullshit

>>130927607
>>130926938
I'd also point out that quantum mechanics and general relativity are famously irreconcilable so giving quantum mechanics as an example of a relativistic theory demonstrates nothing more than that you don't understand what you are talking about.

>>130927511
Ambrose

Duties of the Clergy - Book 2, 2.5 But thesacred Scriptures say that eternal life rests on a knowledge of divine things and on the fruit of good works.The Gospel bears witness to both these statements. For the Lord Jesus spoke thus of knowledge: "This is eternal life, to know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ Whom Thou hast sent,"(Jn. 17:3) About works He gives this answer: "Every one that hath forsaken house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for My Name's sake, shall receive an hundred-fold, and shall inherit everlasting life."(Mt. 19:29) (NPNP2, vol. 10, p. 44).

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>christians

more like nu-muslims

>>130927511
Chrysostom

t sinceafter this grace, whereby we were justified, there is need also of a life suited to it, let us show an earnestness worthy the gift. And show it we shall, if we keep with earnestness charity, the mother of good deeds.Now charity is not bare words, or mere ways of speaking (prosrhseij) to men, but a taking care (prostasia) of them, and a putting forth of itself by works, as, for instance, by relieving poverty, lending one's aid to the sick, rescuing from dangers, to stand by them that be in difficulties, to weep with them that weep, and to rejoice with them that rejoice. (Rom. xii. 15.) Homily 7, Commentary on Rom. 3:31. NPNF1: Vol. X, p. 380.

>>130927220
>Jesus taught in parables
In the parable of the Talents, who is the "master'?

>>130927511
More chrysostom

is not this last the greatest? he means. By no means: for it is to the believer that it is reckoned.But it would not have been reckoned, unless there were something that he contributed himself.And so he too hath God for his debtor, and debtor too for no common things, but great and high ones. For to show his high-mindedness and spiritual understanding, he does not say "to him that believeth" merely, but
Ver. 5. "To him that believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly."

For reflect how great a thing it is to be persuaded and have full confidence thatGod is able on a sudden not to free a man who has lived in impiety from punishment only, but even to make him just,and to count him worthy of those immortal honors. NPNF1: Vol. XI,Homilies on the Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Romans,Homily 8, Rom. 4:1, 2., p. 386

>>130927511
Augustine
Various Questions to Simplician1:2:21 [A.D. 396]):

We are commanded to live righteously, and the reward is set before us of ourmeriting to live happily in eternity.But who is able to live righteously and do good works unless he has been justified by faith? Jurgens, Vol. 3, #1575, p. 49.(

>>130927607
The fact that it contradicts fundamental materialism, is why it is so anti-scientific and also, to some degree, I would answer yes to your question as the the fact that you are religious (based on your flag) and chose to enter this field, is proof of this.
You probably want to prove that your "Allah" is real.

Also, it was only the mathematics and laws of materialist (per-relativity) physics that enabled these satellites to go into outer space.
A PhD student writing a paper and it being referenced in say a SpaceX patent, is not proof that the theory of "special relativity" is actually of any benefit for orbital design.


>>130927896
>quantum mechanics and general relativity are famously irreconcilable

One would not have arose without the other. IF A caused B, there would be no B without A, logically.

If anyone does not know what they are talking about, it is someone who a religious nut that is indoctrinated in the lies of New Physics.

>>130927862

You're the kind of person to assume fiction has no truth to it then? never heard of a story teaching someone true lessons?

>>130927862
if Christianity is such an incoherent pile of shit, why are the fundamentally Christian axioms that underpin liberal democracy so damn successful that they run the world?

There are two possibilities:
either Christianity isn't a pile of shit
or every other way of thinking is even more of a pile of shit, in which case why wouldn't you be a christian then?

>>130927511
More Augustine

Grace and Free Will,20 (426-427):

This question, then, seems to me to be by no means capable of solution, unless we understandthat even those good works of ours, which are recompensed with eternal life, belong to the grace of God,because of what is said by the Lord Jesus: "Without me ye can do nothing." Jn. 15:5...

We are framed, therefore, that is, formed and created, "in the good works which" we have not ourselves prepared, but "God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." It follows, then, dearly beloved, beyond all doubt, thatas your good life is nothing else than God's grace, so also the eternal life which is therecompense of a good lifeis the grace of God;moreover it is given gratuitously, even as that is given gratuitously to which it is given. But that to which it is given is solely and simply grace; this therefore is also that which is given to it, because it is its reward;-grace is for grace, as if remuneration for righteousness; in order that it may be true, because it is true, that God"shall reward every man according to his works."(Mt. 16:27). NPNF1, vol. 5, pp. 451-2.

>>130927511
Jerome
Commentary on Psalms 18, 66, 24, Just as we believe there are eternal torments for the devil and all the naysayers and impious persons who say in their heart: "There is not God." So too, for sinners and impious persons who are, nevertheless, Christians, whose works are to be tried in the fire and purged, we think that the sentence of the Judge will be tempered and blended with clemency.

>>130927463
>Jesus hated tradition for it was what gave the pharisees the pride to reject the Messiah
not true. his message was to act as god acts. Christians have the freedom to act with or against tradition as God's natural order calls for. always acting against tradition is a slavery in itself, kind of like political correctness.

Oh look that dumb proddied ran away when I present quotes from the same fathers he used that explicitly denie sola fide

>>130928479
Jesus didn't use the bible only when dealing with shit as I shown out

>>130928490
More.jerome

Against Jovianianus Book 2, 22 - As day is distinct from night, so righteousness and unrighteousness, sin and good works, Christ and Antichrist cannot blend. If we give Christ a lodging-place in our hearts, we banish the devil from thence. If we sin and the devil enter through the gate of sin, Christ will immediately withdraw. Hence David after sinning says: 2]"Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation," that is, the joy which he had lost by sinning. [3]"He who saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." Christ is called the truth: [4]"I am the way, the truth, and the life." In vain do we make our boast in him whose commandments we keep not (ANF, Vol. 6, p. 388) .

>>130928538
>Jesus didn't use the bible
ok
not everyone is the son of God, so
maybe some bible stories are ok?

>>130928479

“Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots."

>>130928935
He was also dealing with humans

If sola scripture is the case he would find it used

But Jesus didn't use scripture alone

>>130928981
He is talking about protestants

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>>130929091
>100 posts by this ID

>>130929091

That's why Catholicism is dying.

>>130929158
In the West only dumbo

>>130929256

>Catholicism is thriving!
>In Africa

Then it's not really thriving at all, is it? Dumbo.

>>130928272
Sorry for any confusion, the flag was just for the bantz, I'm a christian. I entered the field because I like si-fi movies and am good with numbers lol, but mabye finding god in the studying nature is apart of it now I think about it.

I'm not sure in what way it contracts fundamental materialism, are you talking about the whole time dilation thing? What way specifically is it contradictory?

Classical mechanics produces slightly incorrect predictions of the position of spacecraft. Even micrometers of distance matter in light speed communications. When we make these calculations using special relativity the distances come out better suggesting the theory is accurately describing reality.

both quantum mechanics and general relativity are built upon classical mechanics not each other. in quantum mechanics the particles times and distances are so small that the relativistic effects are considered neglidgeable.

similarly special and general relativity assume the small scale quantum phenomena observed are negligible on the large scale where relativistic effects are observable
.

Fuck off with your retarded christian shit
You're trying to recruit people into a cuck mindset of magic and fairies, fuck you

Just a reminder to those here that Christians literally don't believe in evolution

>>130926938
>Reminder that the theory of relativity and all of the physics that built upon it (ie, "Quantum Mechanics") is a bourgeois pseudoscience that is nothing more than idealistic ramblings paired with mathematics.
Holy fucking shit dude. Is this what happens when Psychology majors try to have an opinion on physics?

They computer you're using right now literally relies on the principles of quantum mechanics to function. Quantum principles is what allowed us to begin constructing Field Effect Transistors, a billion of which are sitting in your CPU right now.

The theory of relativity has been observed by numerous experiments, one of which I've done my self in a lab during my undergrad.

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>>130930093
>trying to discuss hard science, or even advanced yet totally theoretical science with a Marxist
You're too well-read for this shit lads, discussing quantum physics and relativity with someone who hasn't got past the definition of insanity.

>>130929487
listen, it takes 5 minutes to learn dialectical materialism and it debunks your entire field.
Everything you are asking about is addressed in the YouTube link much more succinctly than I will ever be able to put it.

Watch it and if you have any other question, create a new thread or post here if it's still around.

>>130930093

>computer you're using right now literally relies on the principles of quantum mechanics to function
I studied electronics and it "literally", doesn't.

>Quantum principles is what allowed us to begin constructing Field Effect Transistors, a billion of which are sitting in your CPU right now.

"Quantum Principles", more like electronic theory and rudimentary physics enabled us to construct FETs.


>The theory of relativity has been observed by numerous experiments, one of which I've done my self in a lab during my undergrad.

Sounds.... legit. [sarcasm]

>>130929158
See
>>130926544

Amen, brothers and sisters
His comeback is yet to come, and gets closer by the day

Let us remember who died for our sins, and by who we ascend to the eternal life
His son, Jesus Christ gave his life for us and we must believe in Him for that, with all our hearts.


May your day, fellow catholics, be blessed
God's grace be upon you

>>130930449
M8, if you're going to try to argue that quantum mechanics isn't real, you're fucked in the head. All of solid-state physics and particle physics relies on this theory.
You have no idea what you're even talking about

As far as the theory of relativity goes, here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon#Muon_sources

>>130931138
Please search the definition of "Pseudoscience".

>>130931138
He's using dialectical materialism as a source m8.
>the Marxist theory (adopted as the official philosophy of the Soviet communists) that political and historical events result from the conflict of social forces and are interpretable as a series of contradictions and their solutions. >The conflict is seen as caused by material needs.

It's as old as the Soviet Union and just as retarded and awful as the regime for which it was ideologically funded and spawned to support.
I'm half convinced it's someone pretending to be retarded. Here's someone posting youtube vids of useful idiots who haven't got over the collapse of the USSR and are now blaming relativity and reality as being pseudoscience.

>>130922198
http://biblehub.com/luke/3-33.htm
>the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/7-14.htm
>For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah

http://biblehub.com/luke/4-15.htm
>He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.

http://biblehub.com/john/1-11.htm
>He came to his own people, and even they rejected him.

His own people aka Jews.

http://biblehub.com/john/4-22.htm
>You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

Samaritans aka Gentiles.

http://biblehub.com/john/5-1.htm
>After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

http://biblehub.com/john/7-2.htm
>However, the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near.
http://biblehub.com/john/7-10.htm
>However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.

He had Jewish clothing:
http://biblehub.com/luke/8-44.htm
>She came up behind Jesus and touched the tassel of his garment, and her bleeding stopped at once.
http://biblehub.com/matthew/14-36.htm
>and they entreated Him that they might but touch the tassel of His outer garment; and all who did so were restored to perfect health.

http://biblehub.com/john/10-22.htm
>It was now winter, and Jesus was in Jerusalem at the time of Hanukkah, the Festival of Dedication.

KIKE ON A STICK PRAYING ON YOUR EMOTIONS FOR GIBSMEDATS.

>>130931501
>Please search the definition of "Pseudoscience"
hahahaha quantum mechanics is literally taught to every single physics undergrad because it is accepted hard-and-fast theory. The entire academic establishment supports this theory, you might as well be arguing that the earth is flat right now.

Quantum Field Theory is considered to be the most accurate theory ever devised. Experimental results prove it out to 12 decimal places
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_field_theory

Quantum Field theory combines both quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity. This theory is what all particle physics uses

>>130922198
Fun Fact: Your false god can't defeat iron chariots or stop his house from being stolen

>>130925286
Jesus Christ

>>130932098

>Quantum Field Theory is considered to be the most accurate theory ever devised. Experimental results prove it out to 12 decimal places


You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.
As I said earlier, QM is simply:

>pseudoscience that is nothing more than idealistic ramblings paired with mathematics

Can you even do math? You can create an equation to show any result you want to prove whatever you want.

I can probably use a mathematical model to "prove" anything out to 12 decimal places if I play around with it enough.

>literally taught to every single physics undergrad because it is accepted hard-and-fast theory.

It's in the interest of the bourgeoisie to have this nonsense taught, of course it will be peddled off as real by them. It keeps people distracted with finding the mythical "god particle", or some documentaries about "dark matter".
Quantum Field Theory is the most intellectually dishonest science that I know of. The complexity of it makes people believe that it is true but if you analyze it from a hard scientific perspective, using dialectical materialism, it's obviously a charade.

>>130922198
Hope we can have a good thread with Catholics trying to convert people again

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You must be trolling.

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plz stop

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Don't give them all (You)s

>>130932837
>Quantum Field Theory is the most intellectually dishonest science that I know of
You don't know jack shit. It's proved every day by experiments done at a thousand particle accelerators all over the world. Non STEM majors should have no right to talk about this like they know anything. It's a predictive model that has never been broken

I feel like you must be trolling, because nobody could seriously have an opinion this stupid. But then again you are a communist, so it's plausible

>>130933127
This is a religious thread and I came here to debunk the only (pseudo)science that backs it up.

>>130933500
>It's proved every day by experiments done at a thousand particle accelerators all over the world.

>Collide particles
>interpret the results using your models and then tweak the numbers to back them up
>experiment a success!
>look at this proof!
Amazing.

>Non STEM majors should have no right to talk about this like they know anything.

I studied STEM in college and am working on a PhD in social philosophy right now.

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>>130934075
>a PhD in social philosophy right now.
that explains it

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>>130934075
>PhD in social philosophy
Kill me pete

>>130934404
You might laugh at it but a STEM+PhD = probably better than your "astrophysics" undergrad degree.
I have been able to convince a few Physics PhD students that New Physics has some serious flaws which they accepted.

>>130934832
I'm screencapping all your comments right now, making a compilation

This is what communists actually believe

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>>130934075
>Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.
yfw Judas was a commie.

>>130934832
Oh I'll admit there are serious flaws but It's hardly some grand pseudo-religious antichristian philosophy as your previous comments have suggested.

The pertenant question is:
Do you have a model that explains the observed phenomena better?

If you do, I'd recommend collecting your Nobel prize as soon as possible

>>130934972
plz post it here
I want to save it

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>>130926104
The "all races descended from the sons of Noah" view doesn't make sense. Noah was described in targums as brilliantly pale white in countenance and pure (genetically) his generation. The other non-adamite races are children/creations of the Nephilim.

There are essays here that trace the course of the 10 Adamite nations of Genesis
www.christogenea.org/essays

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Hey guys, in your opinion. Were the crusades just? Did the people involved make it into heaven?

I'm going to be a soldier soon but i'm worried about if i'll make it.

>>130934972
Go ahead and if you post it anywhere it will backfire on you because people will be exposed to the truth.
It will "redpilll" people.

>>130935876
hahahaha ok m8

Literally all of physics is wrong, you are right. All of that experimental data is nothing. The earth is also flat by the way

>>130935457
>Do you have a model that explains the observed phenomena better?

I think if physicists would build on Hamiltonian and other purely mechanical/classical models, it could greatly have better explanatory power. However this will take a lifetime of work. I encourage all physicists reading these posts to go in this direction rather than be attracted to the bright lights of the giant bug trap of new physics.

>>130935978
I explained my qualms earlier, if you want to address them, you are free to do so.

I am not being anti-science. I do not think the earth is flat.

>>130935799
>"NOAH--THE BIRTH OF NOAH
Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she bore him a man child. The body of the babe was white as snow and red as a blooming rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes like the rays of the sun. When he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house, like the sun, and the whole house was very full of light"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/loj/loj106.htm

>BUT THAT'S JEWISH!!
These stories were preserved in Aramic targums, very old Israelite writings which predate talmudic Judaism, from true Israel. The jews used them in their writings but it does not mean that they're jewish in origin.
>But jews ARE Israelites, you idiot!
It's just not true. There is plenty of evidence that modern jews are imposters and identity thieves, pulling the largest trick on the rest of humanity ever

www.christogenea.org

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Was it autism?

>>130936785
Here are some other sources on the topic:


http://www.socialistworld.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4688

http://www.marxist.com/quantum-mechanics-copenhagen130705.htm

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3516604

http://www.socialistworld.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4688

Enjoy!

>>130937062
wrong poster

>>130925857
I see no mention of Christ nor reverence to God in these prophecies. Matter of fact, they reference knowledge of "old gods" when there is naught but one God.

It is for this reason that I dismiss these.

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>>130937062
You got an economics book in that?

>>130937217
Yes, enjoy.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-I.pdf

>>130937203
m8 it's sourced from a Crusader fever dream. You can find the link to the translated prophecy full in the thread, the references to old gods are that of the false ones, the gold calf that is worshiped because it is pretty and wows the masses. It's Mankind falling en-masse to its old habits in the worst possible of ways, Sodom and Gomorrah is replicated in every city as secular values makes tolerance the only thing you need to exercise.

>>130929372
>Africa and Asia
Get your facts straight moron

>>130936743
"ADAM" in Hebrew means "to become red" or "to show blood" (as in the face when ashamed or embarrassed).

White Caucasians are the only race who can do this. Even Jews, who pretend to be white when it suits them, can not blush. (Ex: Dr. Ruth was asked once about a problem with dramatic blushing when embarrased, Dr. Ruth replied that she had no experience with this, as she claimed she was Jewish and could not blush!)

Adamic man = white man. This is why God punished race mixing among the Israelites, they were mixing their seed with the children of the Nephilim, the same sin that caused Eve to bear Cain

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Still think the church fathers sola fide?

>>130937788
Wrong.

Whites are the Nephilim

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Still think the church fathers sola fide?

Still waiting for a response to these

Dumb proddi

>>130937892
I am too good

>>130937966
End wmaf

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A christian thread on 4chan

why?

>>130938003
I destroyed it with truth

>>130938003
Jews

>>130938035
Praise kek

>>130938047
Don't worry

Protestantism is btfo itt by mr