/Christ/chan CHRISTIAN GENERAL - JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY EDITION

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>>130601501
Vision: The Lord gave me a vision of a large, empty wine glass.

Then the Lord said, “Read the following scriptures and understand what they say. Then proceed to read My Words.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Prophecy: Then the Lord said, “You saw that large wine glass?”

“Yes”, I said.

Suppose this empty wine glass is a person, and when the wine glass gets full of Holy Wine the person is saved. It does not matter how the wine glass gets filled, as long as it gets filled. Every time this person hears My Word, he gets a portion of a table spoon of Wine placed in his wine glass. It does not matter if it comes from half truths or words that have some truth. It could come from a movie, a misled pastor, like some people say, a bible with the wrong title on it. It does not matter whether it’s half truth or some truth. It gives this person some Holy Wine that will be placed in his wine glass. The reason is this: My Word does not come back void.

So do not believe people, who say, “Do not watch that or read that, because that is not the full truth from God.” For Jehovah, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit control how My Lambs get their fill. Some people get their wine glass filled quickly, others more slowly. The important thing is, people need to seek Jehovah, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, and get saved. So be it! So be it! So be it!

>>130601501
I'll give you a bump brother. I usually focus on the Sermon on the Mount personally.

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Heavenly bump

>>130601501
Keep putting the Word out. You never know if some soul will decide to follow the Lord Jesus today due to this thread. Praise Him!

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My Bible arrived today and I'm going to read it for the first time after I get up in a few hours :^)

>>130601501
Bumping

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DEUS VULT

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>>130604152
I recomend Luke and then Acts

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>>129793566
>>129812466

100 CRUSADER MEMES

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https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/125637346/#125637346

APOLOGETICS

>>130606890
James is also good for a quick intro on how to walk the walk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfEY6-MV8wU

Why is it that there are so many horror films that portray Christians in a negative light? They make out the follows of Christ as a bunch of demon hunters, ghost whispers, or blood thirty cultists.

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>>130607534
Idk, maybe because current global plot is to destroy Christianity and make Islam the main religion?

>>130607534
>horror (((films)))
isn't it obvious?

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>>130607534
>Why is it that there are so many horror films that portray Christians in a negative light? They make out the follows of Christ as a bunch of demon hunters, ghost whispers, or blood thirty cultists.
They're projecting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx0886C6eAg

>>130606401
what does this mean?

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>>130607413
Yeah I agree completely he's one of my favorites. Him and 2 Peter have a special place in my memories.
>Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
>But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
>Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
>Do not err, my dearly beloved bretheren
AMEN

>>130601501

JESUS WAS A KIKE ON A STICK!

Do they always have to claim they suffer everywhere they go?

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>>130607836

>>130603877
Amen to that.

>>130607836
Yes, and the kikes alive at the same time wanted him crucified for wandering the desert telling everyone that Jews are not the chosen people, because God knows his followers not by their blood but by their faith. Read a damn book; in fact I know just the one.

>>130602166
Is this your vision? I like this a lot, brother.

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>>130603547
Nice I don't have that one yet. Added to my collection

>>130601501
Add this to CHRISTIAN NEWS
>Hal Lindsey Report
http://www.hallindsey.com/

>>130607816

I have hero's but Leonardo is my favorite and further note I am not talking about the fucking ninja turtle.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noetoc2W4Pc - 1.5x speed is recomended by anon.

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>>130608397
Will do

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>>130606890
>>130607107

There is nothing to indicate actual physical violence against the money changers in the temple. Just that he made a scourge.

John 2:15
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

the bible says jesus didnt actually ever do anything violent one single time

Isaiah 53:9
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

>No violence

more proof jesus supports non retaliation for believers

Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

the bible says god is love not god is mean

more proof that mighty men who advocate violence are not godly

Proverbs 16:32
32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.

Psalm 11:5
The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Jesus is meek and gentle

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

2 Corinthians 10:1
Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

Meek Definition:
quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on; submissive.

>>130601501
Bump

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>>130608462
Here's a Da Vinci. I just watched this movie called The Agony and the Ecstasy, it's CHARLETON HESTON playing as Michaelengelo. What a great movie. Pretty funny too and very lighthearted and sincere

>>130608125
No, found it from this guy https://www.youtube.com/user/junipertreeandbeyond

>>130607921

OMG THE JEWS DID KILL JESUS CHRIST!

THEY LIE SO MUCH.

I KNEW SOMETHING WASN'T RIGHT.

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>>130608690

Have a good day everybody

>>130609046
You too

It's not easy to accept Christianity. God becoming a man to redeem all mankind? It sounds like a greater fantasy than Scientology.

Pray, read and think. If Jesus is God, ask Him to convince you and be very, very patient. I waited many years to be fully convinced.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and those that know him know the Father. Can it not be more simple and more difficult at the same time. I love my God in Three persons. I serve my Lord. All that is good, all that is love and happiness is from our Lord.

Ask, know, and believe. Our Lord Jesus Christ transcends all. We are one with God in Him. There is no greater gift to your heart and soul. Have faith, believe. It is a journey, but our Lord makes everything clear.

I'm sorry, I don't know why I'm on 4Chan tonight.

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>>130608690
1 Clement 37
Let us therefore enlist ourselves, brethren, with all earnestness in. His faultless ordinances Let us consider those who serve under our generals, with what order, obedience, and submissiveness they perform the things which are commanded them. All are not prefects, nor commanders of a thousand, nor of a hundred, nor of fifty, nor the like, but each one in his own rank performs the things commanded by the king and the generals.

This man was the 4th Pope and KNEW PAUL PRESONALL AND PETER. He is mentioned by name in Philippians
>And I entreat you also, true yoke fellow, help those women which labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow laborers.

Saint Basil the Great:
Our fathers did not think that killing in war was murder. (XIV:605)

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Deus Vult brother. God Bless These Threads.

>>130601501
I've always admired the teachings of Jesus but can't get past agnosticism. What convinced you all?

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Good night, wish me good luck in finding my own way with Jesus

I've read the New Testament. I consider myself Roman Catholic, recently I started reading the Quran to see what all the hype is about. It's pretty fucking redpilling not gonna lie. They say Jesus was a great prophet (obviously they got differences). Once I'm done reading this should I read the Old Testament or what? I've already read bits of that too.

>>130609207

aren't we all sons and daughters of God?

and our fathers and mothers before us?

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>>130609574
I hope all the best for you, may the Holy Spirit guide you

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>My son, do not despise the Lord's discipline
>or be weary of his reproof,
>for the Lord reproves him whom he loves,
>as a father the son in whom he delights.
>For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness.For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

Paul says that being punished is an act of LOVE . This applies to whoever has authority over such a situation, like an officer, judge, God, a president or king, your father, a priest or pastor.


>They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon.
>For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded. And he that sounded the trumpet was by me.
>If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.
>If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Jesus also told Peter TO BUY 2 SWORDS. Did he tell them to throw them away after Peter cut off the ear of the guard? No he told them to "put them back in their sheath." Interesting did you know that it was illegal to cut off that guard's ear in Torah? Given teh circumstances they were in? That's why jesus healed the guard and gave him an ear, because the law says "an ear for an ear" so to prevent Peter from losing his ear Jesus gave an ear to the guard

>>130609574
Goodnight Polandbro, keep praying and you will find your way.

>>130601501
In this thread Faggots finding salvation in their sissy prophet. Glory in death only. Go fuck yourselves.

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>>130608690
>submissive

hmmm well i guess we better just give in to peer pressure and drink our sex filled lives into oblivion because hey we are supposed to be submissive.

Sola fide is false doctrine

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>>130609943
>Glory in death only
Not so fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MPHGt9LmfA

10 There was a certain man in Cæsarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, 2 a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. 3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. 4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. 5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: 6 he lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do. 7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually; 8 and when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.

>>130609943
> finding salvation in their sissy prophet
>Glory in death only

how do you explain the Crusades then?

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>Better is death than a wretched life,
>everlasting sleep than constant illness.

The reason for killing people is simple in Sirach, sometimes they really are better off dead and that's how they saw it. Sirach also explains God permits the just to die a young death to save them from being corrupted by degeneracy in the future as a mercy.

>>130601501
Daily reminder that jews was chosen by jesus/god

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>>130610332
Daily reminder we have a choice between God or the devil

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>>130609738
They say Jesus was a prophet but not the Son of God/God furthermore, they seem to think St. Paul the Apostle was a deceiver and don't seem to like him.

>>130609943
>t. Neopagan LARPer
I assume you were an atheist before that became ""too mainstream""
Paganism is the latest fedora, but I wish you well and hope you find Christ. Unless you're a Jew, then into the trash you go.

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>>130610175
Peter rebuked him for being a soldier

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>>130610570
SORRY I MEAN HE DID NOT
NOT REBUKE HIM

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Hail Eternal Victory brothers!

In the end, we will win, it is inevitable.

God bless

>>130610240

I always wanted God to kill me when I was 13. I knew this world and the USA was going to hell and every day is closer to the day. I guess if thing does go to hell in a hand basket God wants me around for that.

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>>130610882
Wait there will be seven years of Prosperity with Trump, we're going to have an economic meltdown first but be strong and buy gold. Do not kill yourself. I said there is a reason why God takes you if you are young but I am not giving people permission to kill themselves that is a mortal sin.

>When you meet an athiest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHD05P8RK6A

How can they ever recover?

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>>130610553
Got another one for you
>>130607722
Mel Gibson just announced that he's going to make a sequel. It's offcial. Look it up its going to be about the Ressurection

threads like these make me want to give my life to the lord. ive always thought about becoming a monk

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>>130611469
Do it, we have a severe shortage of priests anon we really need you if you enjoy it

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>>130611363
lel I have that one.

“After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, for the Jews sought to kill him.” — John 7:1

To the Pharisees, the priests who invented the religion called Judaism, Jesus said:

“Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.” — John 8:23.

“I know that ye are Abraham’s seed, but ye seek to kill me because my word hath no place in you.” — John 8:37.

“Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father will ye do.” — John 8:44.

>>130611363
I hope Caville reprises his role, I wonder if it'll be liek the 1st one (anti Jew) or be more soft on them, so he can continue making films. I wonder who he'll pick as St Paul, I watched "The Bible" miniseries a few years back and it wasn't too bad. I found this hilarious though, depiction of Satan should have been more "Jew-like".

>>130601501
I think the reason why Christianity is dying is because you're shilling it overtly, lying to yourself and others, being hypocritical and blatently being annoying. This is not the Christianity of the Crusades, or the Inquisition or even of the Colonial age. This is cancerous corporate post-modern Christianity that has been completely corrupted.

>>130611826
Christ would have condemned the Crusades.

Being a Christian is the hardest thing on Earth. Temptation all around me. But I can't deny Christ. Not ever. But they say to sin is to deny Jesus Christ ... so this is a very difficult life.

>inb4 a veteran comes in

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>>130610240
>>130611099
Sorry the thing on young death is in Wisdom of Solomon.

But the righteous one, though he die early, shall be at rest.

For the age that is honorable comes not with the passing of time,
nor can it be measured in terms of years.

Rather, understanding passes for gray hair,
and an unsullied life is the attainment of old age.

The one who pleased God was loved,
living among sinners, was transported—

Snatched away, lest wickedness pervert his mind
or deceit beguile his soul;

For the witchery of paltry things obscures what is right
and the whirl of desire transforms the innocent mind.

Having become perfect in a short while,
he reached the fullness of a long career;

for his soul was pleasing to the LORD,
therefore he sped him out of the midst of wickedness.
But the people saw and did not understand,
nor did they take that consideration into account.

Yes, the righteous one who has died will condemn
the sinful who live;
And youth, swiftly completed, will condemn
the many years of the unrighteous who have grown old

For they will see the death of the wise one
and will not understand what the LORD intended,
or why he kept him safe.

>>130611705
>for he would not walk in Jewry
The best

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>Christians

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>>130611900
Sure about that fag?
>>130611705
I thought his depiction of Satan was spot on, depicting him as some FREAK. Disgusting degenerate freakish thing that denied everything God gave him. He perverted everything about him, even hsi own jewry

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>>130611469
>ive always thought about becoming a monk
I grappled with this when saved, thought about quitting my life and everything but God directed me to this:

Then tax collectors also came to be baptized and said to him, “Teacher, what must we do?” He said to them, “Collect no more than what is appointed you.” Then the soldiers likewise demanded of him, “And what must we do?” He said to them, “Do no violence to anyone nor accuse any falsely, and be content with your wages.” (Luke 3:12-16)

This is my analysis, so take it as it is. If you read The Bible, Jesus selects Disciples who later become Apostles. Not everybody was a Disciple of Jesus. God has a plan for each and every one of us, we all don't need to become monks. That said, I agree with previous poster monk is a great profession if God calls you to it. Just my opinion.

So keep doing what you are doing. As long as you have the flame of God, you repent of your sins, read the Bible, and pray, pray, and pray. Ask God to direct you and continue to seek His face.


>If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (2 Chronicles 7:14)

>>130607790
god wills it

Have a bump. Thanks for the positive encouragement, this helped me get back on track

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>>130612109
>Atheists

Fuck your shit skin derived religion and shit god you shit skins

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Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

Saint Paul going full DEUS VULT

>following a religion made by shit skins
>white

Your supposed to walk the path of Jesus and attain Christ-consciousness, not worship him as an idol in hopes that he will fix your problems for you.

>>130601501
Jesus was a swarthy Arab

BTFO

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>>130612109
>plebbit
Okay okay you got me, now JUDGE US NOT OUTSIDERS

>>130601501
Bump

>>130612634
>there is no authority except from God
there is no authority except from my god from a book written by shit skins

>>130610553
Yes. I haven't gotten to Paul yet, I look forward to that. Have you ever heard of the Gospel of Judas? Another book I was looking into but haven't found a good text on tape.

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>>130612289
I liked the depictions in "The Passion"

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHICH CHURCH TO JOIN? THERE'S SO MANY. PRESBYTERIAN BAPTIST CHURCH OF ENGLAND EVANGELICAL ANGLICAN PROTESTANT. WHICH IS THE RIGHT ONE? ALSO I HAVE NO FRIENDS AND NO ONE IN MY FAMILY IS INTO RELIGION SO WON'T I LOOK LIKE A GOOF JUST SHOWING UP ON MY OWN?

>>130612896
>Gospel of Judas
There is no Gospel of Judas, that's just gnostic trash. (((Dead Sea Scrolls)) are a modern Jewish hoax.

>>130612907
>BAPTIST CHURCH
there you go
go king james only

HE AINT COMING BACK HAHAHAHAHA

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>>130612840
FEDORA Middle East was white before Islam, Arabs can't make JACK SHIT much less BABYLON or anywhere even close.
>>130612904
yeah it was amazing he really just nailed evil, just freakishness that needs to be burned

>>130601501
Yeah but God ain't real. I'm serious. He was made up dude.

>>130613149
>Middle East was white before Islam
Bahahahahahahahahahahaha
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>In the beginning God created the heavens and earth.

>>130611363
>Mel Gibson just announced that he's going to make a sequel. It's offcial. Look it up its going to be about the Ressurection
Heard about it, can't wait https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_kAQYJuX2A

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>>130613392
Please go ahead I want you to repeat what I said. I'm damn proud of it too

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>>130613306
Yeah but God is real. I'm serious. You're being deceived.

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Reminder that B A S E D Archangel Micheal Senpai is the /literal bane/ of the Luciferian Kike Menace!

Pray for him and meme the shit out of him, as he is very much needed on earth right now to kill the fallen angels (what people call aliens/reptiles) that rule this world....

>>130613516
You identity christians are flat earth tier to literally everyone else in the world, even the vast majority of Christians who at least have a basic understanding of history

>>130611918
Stay strong

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>>130613771

>>130613828
calms yourself autismo, I am sure that there is a nice pagan thread for you to vent that anger into.

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>>130613867

>>130613771
You will be abducted abducted again tonight, we aren't done with you

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>>130613931

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>>130613828
>WE WUZ
No you weren't Babylonians had BLUE BLUE eEYES and WHITE skin they used IVORY for a reason FUCKTARD
>>130613771
This

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>>130601501
SHILLLLL THREAD

THE WAY TO SLAVERY

SHOO SHOO MAGIC JEW~

>>130613909
>believes Jesus was white
>calls me autistic
Bahahaha, if white people made Judaism and Christianity and WE WUZ KIKES were did all the shit skins come from?

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>>130614013

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>>130614063
>Romans didn't like Christianity
Oh well lets just act like Whites don't like Jesus

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>>130613771

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>>130614011
>You will be abducted abducted again tonight, we aren't done with you

Abductions Stop in Name of Christ

“Alien Abduction” Can be Stopped, and Terminated as a Life Pattern, in the Name and Authority of Jesus Christ

FACT: Based on polls, over 60% of the population believes that there is likely alien life in outer space. Around 48% of the population believes that aliens from outer space may be visiting the Earth in UFOs, and 12% claim to have seen a UFO.

FACT: A 1991 Roper poll estimated that 4 million people in the US may have had an “alien abduction” experience (2% of the population).

FACT: Modern documented reports of alien’s activities and abilities parallel the abilities of (fallen) angels as seen in the Bible.

FACT: Alien abduction experiences can be terminated in the name of Jesus Christ.

FACT: Documented messages of “aliens” to contactees and abductees reveal an undeniably spiritual agenda…

http://www.alienresistance.org/ufo-alien-deception/alienabductions-stop-in-the-name-jesus-christ/

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>>130614194

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What's with the sudden influx of neopagan shills? This place has been majority christian from the start, even polls done in pagan threads show a christian majority still, but for the past little while these neopagans have infected everything. I have a feeling it's just a few retards coordinating their spamming.

Their arguments are absolutely nigger tier, they just start screeching kike when confronted with historical facts or basic theology.

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>>130614063
Stop shitposting

>>130614250
Aliens don't exist, those are demons desu.

>>130613126
YOU'RE GONNA SHIT YOUR PRETTY PINK PANTIES WHEN HE DOES SODOMITE

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>>130613771
>>130613867
>>130613931
>>130614013

ALL YOUR PRIESTS ARE GAY AND ANGELS BOYISH

>>130614351
>Aliens don't exist, those are demons desu.
Yes, I follow L.A. Marzulli's research in this area

>FACT: Modern documented reports of alien’s activities and abilities parallel the abilities of (fallen) angels as seen in the Bible.

>>130614045
If everyone was white in the Middle East until Islam started to exist then you are saying white people created Judaism
Literally we wuzzing kike culture, fucking moron

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>>130614273

You see, Mr. Fallen Angel, Archangel Micheal isn't just an Angel, he's an idea, and ideas, kike, are bulletproof....

>>130611599
>>130612336
thank you. i will walk the path the Lord chooses for me. Keep up the good work, God Bless

>>130609539
Personal experience.

>>130614325
Yeah their art is shit too. At least the ancients were good but that's because they didn't LARP

>>130614063
>kike shill or fedora
Either way fuck off, I'm not even Christian, but I thoroughly endorse a return to Christianity for whites. Just not cowardly, compromised and bastardized Christianity like the West has, but real, bringing the light and wrath of God to the Saracens Christianity.

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Remember that you don't go to the car repair shop to hear how good your car is. How comfy the seats. How nice the tires are. We don't go there to find out that our rims are really cool. We go to the shop to speak to a man about what is wrong and how we can fix it. Pray and remember that we should not pray for ease of passage or swift travel. We must pray for understanding of the problem and how we can fix it. We will fix our issues not with money but with the spiritual currency we build by worship, prayer, and devotion.

Remember to ignore all pagan cucks and any one decrying Christ. Fuck them in their stupid pagan faces.

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>>130614325
Christians and general atheist groups have been the majority groups for a long time.
Neopagans here are just a small group of consistent posters, akin to the same handful of posters doing Atheist Generals years ago.

Pic is for you when you see them again.

>>130614429
Why are you so mad at this guy?

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>>130614325
Sand People Religion Persons
>>130614505
You too anon!

>>130614325
>historical facts
>the shit skins from the Middle East who wrote the bible were white
Kike on a stick

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>>130614490
>Arabs can create civilizations

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>>130614502

Lucifer's possession in Micheal's body wasn't enough to talk him out of himself.

Let that sink in fallen angel SCUM, Lucifer /himself/ could not even make a full possession of him, because he is God's champion.

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>>130614583
Amen, Anon.

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>>130614332

>LOOK AT MY PRETTY GIRLY DRESS AND LIGHTENING BOLT

PEDO CULT

>>130614589
Fuck your shit skin written bible you cuck
You even once admitted to me that you didn't care about the shit skin origins of christianity and then contracted your self another time
What a fucking cuck
We true European souls should feed you subhumans to lions again

>>130612904
>>130612904
>>130612904


>Evil is alluring, attractive. It looks almost normal, almost good—but not quite.
>That's what evil is about, taking something that's good and twisting it a little bit."

Wow ... talk about bits of wisdom.

Hi my brothers in Christ.
Please pray for my country, Islamism is growing stronger day by day here.

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>>130614784
>Amen

Keep that Jew language off /pol/

>>130614742
I'm not talking about Mesopotamia, I'm talking about Judaism and Christianity because your ''theory'' explicitly states that the ancient Jews were white

>trinity makes no sense
>original sin is explained via ad hoc reasons
>worship of Jesus is cult like

Seems like the Jews had a better and well rounded explanation for religious concepts. Christians need 100+ creeds and bullshit metaphysics to explain the Bible with no Temple while Jews just focus on keeping the covenant indefinitely.

>muh no Temple means we all go to hell without Jesus
How does that make sense? LMFAO.

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>>130614918
Yes, I have been following what is going on in your country. I will pray for Indonesia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdv2eiR8CUQ

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>>130614755

The Fallowers of Lucifer's last hope for their leader to walk the earth with them was if Lucy could posses Micheal's body.

May Luciferians tremble, because Micheal hath concluded internal conflict with Lucifer, and you're leader of rebellion has /no chance/ of walking the earth with you.

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>>130613771
SANCTE MICHAEL ARCHANGELE DEFENDE NOS IN PROELIO CONTRA NEQVITIAM ET INSIDIAS DIABOLI ESTO PRAESIDIVM IMPERET ILLI DEVS SVPPLICES DEPRECAMVR TVQVE PRINCEPS MILITIAE CAELESTIS SATANAM ALIOSQVE SPIRITVS MALIGNOS QVI AD PERDITIONEM ANIMARVM PERVAGANTVR IN MVNDO DIVINA VIRTVTE IN INFERNVM DETRVDE AMEN

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For anyone who cares part IV of the Jordan Peterson series on the bible is up. Tonight he covers Adam and Eve: Self-Consciousness, Evil, and Death.

If you guys haven't given it a listen you should.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifi5KkXig3s

>>130615081
Hey man, people were thinking about this all the time for 2000 years. The interpretations are going to change a bit over the years. The fact remains that Christianity is primarily a white, European and explicitly anti-Jewish religion, historically speaking.

>muh Jewish religion is better
>muh nitpicking
just fuck off already you kike lover

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>>130615016
They all were you MORON. ARABS ARE HALF BLACK NIGGER. Dumbass it's in the name if you knew a thing or two. Tyre was WHITE WHITE and they were very closeley related to the Jews. BLUE EYES AND IVORY SKIN

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>>130614883
Who heard or discovered the truth first doesn't give ethnicity for the truth.

Believing things because your ancestors did alone and not based on their own validity isnt sound at all. Particularly when you are promoting neopaganism - a collection of contrary worldviews.

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Don't post Star Wars memery bull shittery. This is about Christ. Faith in a higher power gives men strength of will, self control, and the will to do more. You share blue, Islam loving, anti God fuck sticks who want to do harm to our religion should think long and hard about the devils work that you do in this thread.

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>>130615118

Micheal being on earth is synonymous with one thing and one thing only, that this is "mankind's unanimous highest hour of Godlessness" and that The Final Judgement(tm) is on its way.

Terrestrial Fallen Angels, there is not even going to be a world for you to exploit soon, as Mother Nature and Father God this world will soon be devoid of.

>>130615259
>I believe in religion because it fulfills my desires
>me me me

The point of the bible is that you serve God, not that God serves you.

>>130601501
Bump

You guys realize how shitty you are at converting people, right?

You do realize you cant just shout scripture at normies/fedoras and they'll suddenly go to church, right?

You do realize that you need to give practical examples of how hell is a very real place that people can create when they do shit like get addicted to drugs or make gulags, and that its not all about the shit that happens after you die, right?

Right?

>>130615279
WHat's your opinion on this guy saying Jew were white?
>>130615278

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>>130614970
>Star Wars disproves XYZ

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>>130615519
Of course since they are human not subhuman klike shitskins

>>130613028
Yeah I should've clarified. Thats some heritic shit. But thought it'd be a good read.

>>130608690

turn the other cheek for vengeance is the LORDS

forgiveness and grace will always trump violence for the wrath is the LORDS

Amen

>>130615519
I wouldn't know the biology.

>>130601501
>worshipping a literal jew

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>>130615504
We're not here to convert you, that's your job. We're here to give you a message. It's up to you whether or not to accept it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJSZGgFhjE8&t=1m

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Jesús crossed the border for our sins so he may bring cocaine to the unfortunate souls in the States. Accept Jesús as your savior today!

>>130615660

http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/april/forgiveness-muslims-moved-coptic-christians-egypt-isis.html

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>>130615016

I don't want to start this debate in this general, but being a NatSoc and neopagan is conflicting. Read Mein Kampf. Hitler and other NatSocs (except rosenberg but he was trash) were all Christian.

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>>130615406

Fallen Angels, by will of God Almighty and Savior Jesus Christ your stage of lies will be atomically unmade, as will you all.

The fires of hell are too good for the likes of your kin, the only fate for Fallen Ones is being unmade completely. Fallen Ones do you not know that you breathe God's air and have Gabriel's gift of self awareness?

Air and self-awareness will be gone soon....

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Matthew 5:6 (KJV)

“Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled.”

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>>130615798


It's great to have more Micahel posters.

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>>130615729
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)

>dozens of people ITT enslaved to a lie
Sorry, but Christianity has been discredited basically in every meaningful way. Evolution happened, flood didn't, exodus of the ((( ))) never happened, etc. The kike testament proves itself unreliable at every opportunity.
>but that was the OLD testament. We believe in the NEW testament fallback
Extreme redpill completely exposes the NT, especially the Gospels, as a fraud.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110917163923/http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net:80/jesus.html

>>130615734
No i get it. FWIW im the sympathetic agnostic cunt from the orthodox thread. I get the message. But if you want to save people from hell, you cant stop at "its the place you go to if you die an unbeliever/heretic."

Imagine the fuckinh converts if the church made a video campaign of gory meth addicts fucking themselves up doing hedonistic shit all the millennials are doing now and at the end it just said "this is hell" or something.

>>130615993
Given what I've experienced in childhood, I would rather perish.

>god is in the christian church
>most priests are pedophiles

>>130615096
Thank you brother.
The crime rates against non-Muslim spikes in this "holy" month.
There're 2 non-Muslim murdered with firearms around my neighbourhood already.

>>130616003
Well desu, the old testament was never meant to be a history book. More like a scroll of Jewish holohoax stories. The general idea of anything after Exodus is true, but the details are shit.

>>130613771
Michael has my allegiance

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>>130615798

Lucifer and Fallowers, you're time of reckoning is underway. Micheal IS HERE on earth, and Mother Nature is showing her wrath at all times (records of rain, records of fire, etc.).

Lucifer and fallowers, you hath rendered this world COMPLETELY GODLESS, and now you will get thine wish of a Godless Existance for alleth of time.

>>130615798

AMEN

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God bless you all in this thread, especially you all in struggle now.
I pray for your welfare in the coming days and virtue that will guide you through them.

Have a good night.

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>>130616030
Bryan Melvin went to Hell and Back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MPHGt9LmfA

Bill Wiese - 23 Minutes in Hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxKRoONrfY

Mary K Baxter Describes Horrors of Hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5gv-V9axtg

Ron Reagan: I Went to Hell & Saw My Friends There https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RyaJA9wui8


If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead. (Luke 16:31b)

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St Paul almost always has a SWORD

>>130601501
which bible is best to read? KJV?

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>>130616003

Christianity is why you are not sitting around with your dick in one hand and a stone axe in the other screaming ooga booga on a fucking island in the middle of fuck-all europe you piece of shit. The christian priests faced disease, pieces of shit like you, and death all over the globe to provide hope, a future, and culture to you and the only thanks they get is your unending declaration that their 'faith' wasn't real. They suffered so you could shit post on your faggot fuck computer all night about how shitty they were.

>>130616003
Of course shit like the flood didnt happen. But its very fucking true that when people dont maintain and repair their societies [build dykes high enough] they get royally fucked [flooded]. And its a lesson western society could definitely benefit from remembering nowadays.

You have a 6 year old's understanding of the bible.

>>130616401
Alot of folks like KJV but I like the Douay-Rheims bible.

>>130615670
>christian
>won't even disavow the pedophile child mutilating cult of Judaism in correlation to the white race
Sounds about right
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>>130616364
Bad trip from when your brain gets flooded with DMT and youre panicking.

I see youre one of those cunts who worship the finger pointing toward the star rather than the star itself.

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>>130615787
>>130615016
that's pg 300 of James Murphy edition btw.

>>130616126
Watch TGSNT or talk to Dennis Wise on Twitter/YT. He'll prove you wrong and dispel any notion of "neopagan" falsehoods.

>>130616498
Same

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>>130616562
>Bad trip from when your brain gets flooded with DMT and youre panicking.

...neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead. (Luke 16:31b)

>>130616408
Lol at this. Christianity is gay as fuck. Shut the fuck up

>>130616661
kike

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>>130616661
No you.

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>>130616282

As foretold by Prophet Daniel in Book of Daniel Chapter 12 Verse 1 (this is REALITY btw goys), Micheal has arrived on earth IN THE WORST FUCKING STATE ITS EVER BEEN IN!

Illuminati, NWO, Kikes, and every other position of power WORSHIP LUCIFER. Only the (((brainwashed))) will deny that the roots of this world are religion, and that all is done in the name of Savior Christ or Satan.

But rest assured brothers of righteousness, thoughst will assuredly go to heaven for being a victim of Kike "Life" Narrative's(tm)(r), as thoughst was born into schooling of Godlessness unfairly and unjustly.

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>>130601501
>christcucks

>>130616928
delet this!

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>>130616928
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

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>>130601501
1

>>130601501
christianity has lots of good lessons to teach, but youd have to be fucking retarded to worship god

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>>130601501
and 2

God bless you all and good night. Good luck fixing yourselves pagans. I hope you find the light you need to guide you in the darkness you are stumbling in.

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>>130616891

Christianity has been systematically alienated through (((media))) and (((public education))) and the TRUE CHURCH NO LONGER EXISTS BROTHERS!

Pope Francis SUCKS SATANS DICK! The only bastions of True Christianity left are WE THE PEOPLE! And we WILL WAGE WAR ON LUCIFERIAN IN THE NAME OF LORD GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST!

>>130612289

>Sure about that fag?

Luke 3:14
>And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

literally telling soldiers do no violence

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Real talk, senpai.
Is sex outside of marriage a sin?
I know the consensus is yes. But it seems pretty fuzzy to me when it comes to the justification.

The fornication that's used just means 'sexual immorality" in general. And there doesn't seem to be any clear indication that having sex outside of marriage falls into this category. Unlike homosex.

In new testament Jesus clearly condemns lust. But you can have sex with a woman, as a man, that isn't fueled by lust, but through love.

Thoughts?

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>>130617341
The word in greek is "shake him up"
Soldiers also asked him, “And we, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Do not extort money from anyone by threats or by false accusation, and be content with your wages.”

"Shake him up" means do not extort UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES IN GREEK AND IN LATIN AND IN HEBREW

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>>130617092
Why do Christcucks want to fiddle kids so bad ?

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>>130617247

Luciferians (aka Worthless Trash), when the peoples of the world know the crimes you have committed in Satans name, they will turn all of their angers towards YOU (fuck the race war we have bigger niggers to skin), for LUCIFERIAN ALONE is responsible for the suffering of this ENTIRE WORLD and it's INNOCENT PEOPLES.

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>>130617562
Because they're not saved and led by the Holy Spirit. What they're doing is either blaspheming the Holy Spirit or they weren't even saved in the first place. God looks at the heart, man looks on the outside. Be smart about this and think. You think on many things, but you play a fool when it comes to this kind of stuff. Don't be deceived.

Christianity is about Jesus Christ, not other Christians. Man will never free man, the blind leading the blind, they both fall into the pit. Read about Jesus Christ in the Bible. Listen to the Bible, start from the book of Matthew. Hear what Jesus has to say to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAbmCQ3mVUg

>>130617458
For men:

1. If he has reclined with adulteress, he commited adultery - adultery is a very hard sin. If he has got stuck in this sin, that is he starts to call the adulteress "my wife", it means that he is living in adultery (committing adultery) as long as this illegal cohabitation is not terminated.

2. If a man has reclined with the fornicatress, it is the sin of fornication. To get married with a fornicatress is a bad thing, but it is possible - it is a valid marriage.

3. If a man has reclined with the virgin without the marriage, it is not fornication. It is another sin - the sin of seduction of virgin, but there is no fornication; fornication can be only with fornicatress.

The only perfect variant – to get married with a virgin and to recline with her for the first time in their first wedding night, this is the only right way it should be.

https://www.true-russian-news.com/marital-status.html

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>>130617458
yes its a sin ur trying to manipulate it so you can sin

1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

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>>130601501
Jesus is my guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

>>130614755
Men can have times of doubt, and loss of faith. Angels and Demons KNOW the Glory of the LORD GOD. LORD OF LORDS, AND KING OF KINGS.

It is the righteous strength of the holy, and weakness of the fallen filth.

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Charleton heston As Michaelangelo

>>130618156
Cool, can you provide some scriptural basis for each of these arguments?

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>>130617541

yeah all non violence verses are mis translated or jesus did just that 'preach non violence'

>>130617562
Catholicism is the christianization of the Roman imperial cult. The satanism of the imperial cult is boiling to the top. Read up on pope sylvester ii

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>>130618405
KEK saved

>>130617975
I've read and studied the Bible. The ancient testament just shows how fucked up the (((chosen people))) is. Jesus is a communist cuck, the jewest of the jews. Paul should have been crucified by the Romans way earlier.
How could any educated person not see the churches as a blatant mass control tool is what's blowing my mind.

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>>130617617

Anons I BEG YOU! Whether you're religious or not Archangel Micheal is the BIGGEST ANTI-KIKE SYMBOL IN THE ENTIRE WOLD!

Can we PLEASE, pray for him all the time and meme him into reality? He's EXTREMELY needed right about now in this Satanist HELLHOLE.

>>130618190
Which is why I'm open to the discussion.
>to avoid pornea
This is either to avoid sex before marriage, because that IS the sexual immorality, or because it is easier to avoid sexual immorality if you are married and you stick to each other only.

>>130601501
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>>130607994
religion is primitive (degenerate) and the main reason why the world is so shitty. please realize this and stop being fucking idiots

> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=URKkuLR_stU
Post hymns

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>>130618436
St Augustine quotes that verse for Just War Theory menaing he understood it as EVERYONE ELSE BUT YOU

>>130618458
Nice. So is that a no?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with asking for an answer from the text instead of saying "can I find the answer I'm assuming to be true by imposing my assumptions on the text?"

That's confirmation bias.
To be clear. I'm leaning towards the side that is IS sinful. But I want better justification than the arguments I typically see.

>>130618457
Protestants are even worse than catholics. Catholic countries are often based (Italy, Poortugal, Croatia, Bavaria, Poland ...) whereas protestants are the spearhead of western degeneracy (USA, UK, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands...)

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>>130618705
TO THE unbelieving materialist, man is simply an evolutionary accident. His hopes of survival are strung on a figment of mortal imagination; his fears, loves, longings, and beliefs are but the reaction of the incidental juxtaposition of certain lifeless atoms of matter. No display of energy nor expression of trust can carry him beyond the grave. The devotional labors and inspirational genius of the best of men are doomed to be extinguished by death, the long and lonely night of eternal oblivion and soul extinction. Nameless despair is man's only reward for living and toiling under the temporal sun of mortal existence. Each day of life slowly and surely tightens the grasp of a pitiless doom which a hostile and relentless universe of matter has decreed shall be the crowning insult to everything in human desire which is beautiful, noble, lofty, and good.

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>>130618601
>I've read and studied the Bible
So did Satan. Satan is the best Bible scholar in this fallen world. Satan used Scripture against Jesus when he tried to tempt Him in the wilderness. Satan may know the Bible very well, but he doesn't know righteousness.

This is why you need to read the Bible with the force and power of the Holy Spirit. The reason why Jesus spoke in parables is because parables are righteous. The world are blind to parables, it frustrates them and makes them angry. This is why you need to first earnestly seek God. Seek His face. Open up your heart to God and accept Him into your life. I first believed in Jesus, then He told me to read His Word cover-to-cover.

>>130618458
oh, and to answer your question the image imposes. Yes. Yes I am.
Why should I hide my heart from the Lord which clearly can see my wickedness? I want to speak openly and truthfully. I want to pour out my heart and speak without pretense.
I'm not a clean man, and I'm not from a clean people. Only Jesus can justify me before the Lord. Any attempt I make to live a Godly life is simply an outpouring of my love and appreciation for what Christ has already done.

>>130618692
what are you talking about? Michael already came and then faked his death after the Kikes tried to ruin his image. He's here preparing the way duh

>>130618921
It's pretty clear that it is sinful to have sex before marriage. But if you're looking for an answer if you're going to hell forever because you broke a rule, I would put it to you like this.

If you tried it out with the intent to marry her, or couldn't help yourself, or whatever, that's clearly not the worst thing you could do. There's always room for forgiveness.

If you're looking for an excuse manwhore, that's wanton violation.

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>>130618705
>religion is primitive (degenerate) and the main reason why the world is so shitty. please realize this and stop being fucking idiots

Don't worry, your 'savior' will be coming very soon

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDugrMDam0XlJctFD6rjBPA

>>130601501
I don't want to have a false interpretation, i fear that would be worse than not reading it at all
how do i ensure i read it correctly?
KJV has too many words i won't understand, stuff lost in translation, etc

>>130601501
>LARPING AS A 1ST CENTURY SEMITIC BARBARIAN

K Y S
Y
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>>130601501
bump

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>>130618705

Petty funny m8 lest time I checked the entire world is run by practitioners of Luciferianism. Y'now albeit false, a Religion runs the world today.

>>130618887

muh saint augustine , there is no just war , its the lord cursing you and when he does you can better be a cuck and die because you are not doing the lords will .

>>130618336
Sure.

1. Jesus considers divorce for reasons other than infidelity to be adultery. So many divorces are granted for reasons other than unfaithfulness today, that it is likely most remarriages are adulterous. See the verses where Jesus talks about how the one who divorces without unfaithfulness causes the other partner to become an adulterer.

2. Fornication is sex between unmarried parties, especially if neither party has ever been married. The penalties for this vary depending on circumstance, see Exodus. Further, see where James the brother of Jesus forbids this in the Acts of the Apostles.

3. In ancient Israel, adultery and fornication merited death. If an unmarried man had sex with a virgin, the penalty was he had to marry her and he would never be allowed to give her a divorce. Under the New Covenant, people are encouraged to marry even if only have a safe outlet for their sex drives. See where Paul encourages people to marry as virgins and if their spouse dies, stay single. Further, see where James the brother of Jesus forbids all sex outside of marriage in the Acts of the Apostles.

>>130618966
>This is why you need to read the Bible with the force and power of the Holy Spirit
I think you should read the Bible while keeping in mind religion is a tool to control masses. It makes much more sense.

Besides
>Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. (Mat 19:21)
>Good goy stop having a productive life, come and follow me, become a beggar leaching off society.
How can you defend this. That's straight up commie scum bullshit, and that's not a parable.

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>>130619296

>LARPING AS A 21'st CENTURY SEMETIC DEVIL WORSHIPER

Oh wait that's the people in power today, and they aren't role playing, they're doing Satan's work by keeping Goyim like you on the sidelines of the Holy Wars.

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>>130619294
I had this fear as well, then I realized that God is Spirit and we worship Him in spirit and in Truth.

Typically, most Christians will have three Bible versions on hand, KJV being one of them.


>God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

Jesus brought to God, as a man of the realm, the greatest of all offerings: the consecration and dedication of his own will to the majestic service of doing the divine will. Jesus always and consistently interpreted religion wholly in terms of the Father's will. When you study the career of the Master, as concerns prayer or any other feature of the religious life, look not so much for what he taught as for what he did. Jesus never prayed as a religious duty. To him prayer was a sincere expression of spiritual attitude, a declaration of soul loyalty, a recital of personal devotion, an expression of thanksgiving, an avoidance of emotional tension, a prevention of conflict, an exaltation of intellection, an ennoblement of desire, a vindication of moral decision, an enrichment of thought, an invigoration of higher inclinations, a consecration of impulse, a clarification of viewpoint, a declaration of faith, a transcendental surrender of will, a sublime assertion of confidence, a revelation of courage, the proclamation of discovery, a confession of supreme devotion, the validation of consecration, a technique for the adjustment of difficulties, and the mighty mobilization of the combined soul powers to withstand all human tendencies toward selfishness, evil, and sin. He lived just such a life of prayerful consecration to the doing of his Father's will and ended his life triumphantly with just such a prayer. The secret of his unparalleled religious life was this consciousness of the presence of God; and he attained it by intelligent prayer and sincere worship—unbroken communion with God—and not by leadings, voices, visions, or extraordinary religious practices.

>>130619294
Find a study bible. I don't have any personal recommendations.

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>>130619472
1 John
>GOD IS LOVE
Revelations
>God killing you fuckers
EVERYWHERE IN THE BIBLE
>IMITATE GOD

>>130619257
I think it's quite clear that I'm not looking to be a manwhore. I think that would imply sinful lust.

I simply don't think the act of sex outside of marriage is "clearly" sinful as the general consensus makes it out to be.
I guess I'm splitting hairs here.
To me it seems there's a distinction between lusting after a woman (or women) for the sole purpose of chasing pleasure and using their bodies to satisfy sexually immoral desire and the act of having sex out of love between a man and a woman, without the covenant of marriage.
I admit, it may also be muddled due to our difference in marriage between the culture of the bible and those of our modern civilization.

Be not discouraged; human evolution is still in progress, and the revelation of God to the world, in and through Jesus, shall not fail.

The great challenge to modern man is to achieve better communication with the divine Monitor that dwells within the human mind. Man's greatest adventure in the flesh consists in the well-balanced and sane effort to advance the borders of self-consciousness out through the dim realms of embryonic soul-consciousness in a wholehearted effort to reach the borderland of spirit-consciousness—contact with the divine presence. Such an experience constitutes God-consciousness, an experience mightily confirmative of the pre-existent truth of the religious experience of knowing God. Such spirit-consciousness is the equivalent of the knowledge of the actuality of sonship with God. Otherwise, the assurance of sonship is the experience of faith.

>>130619737
Someday man should learn how to enjoy liberty without license, nourishment without gluttony, and pleasure without debauchery. Self-control is a better human policy of behavior regulation than is extreme self-denial. Nor did Jesus ever teach these unreasonable views to his followers.

>>130601501

What is best Bible verse?

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Most underrated pastor right now

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>>130619609
>I think you should read the Bible while keeping in mind religion is a tool to control masses. It makes much more sense.
I think you should read the Bible while having faith that God is good and He wants what is best for you. It makes much more sense.

>How can you defend this. That's straight up commie scum bullshit, and that's not a parable.
Once you decide to give your life over to Jesus Christ and He gives you the Holy Spirit, many things will make sense. For example, the Bible has two statements: "an eye for an eye" and "love your neighbor." Which do you think is the more powerful statement? This is why you need to think. Be smart and point your nose to Heaven, to the things that are Good. Why are you nit-picking the Bible, when you gloss over many things Satan and this world spits at you? Why don't you ever give God a chance? God gives you a chance every day when He raises the sun every morning. Let it go and open up your heart to God and stop being foolish.

>>130619737
I think you've had that part answered pretty well from the other guy. I don't know why else you would be asking unless you're having extramarital sex.

If she's the one, marry her. If not, quit it. Go back to using your hand when you need relief, even if that, too, is often regarded as a big nasty sin.

>>130619737
ur committing adultery because you dont get married and plan on going to someone else
you only get one virginity in your life and youre supposed to marry a virgin you dont get multiple

fornication doesnt means gay sex

no thats called sodomite and even homosexuality in the bible

fornication is the direct contrast of being married and having sex in the corinthians verse i already posted

it doesnt say TO AVOID HOMOSEXUALITY , GET MARRIED

ur not having sex for love if you dont get married ur looking to go to some one else in the future

ur justifying sin , NO CHRISTIANS believe what youre saying

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>>130619986
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

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>>130619489
1. yep
2. I've read up on most of these in the OT, can you point me to the reference in Acts?
3. If I'm not mistaken could he also not pay the father instead of marriage? There also seems to be debate about whether or not this was simply a virgin or whether this was the case of rape.
>new test
Yes, that's what I've come to understand from Paul as well.
Can you point to the reference for James in Acts as well?

I appreciate it brother.

>>130619998
How do you give your life over to Jesus Christ?

>>130619735
The prohibition on murder was never lifted. Murderers don't go to heaven. God will mete out death and destruction in His own way and time.

I don't understand why God had to kill Himself to save humanity from the repercussions His own rules.

>>130619998
>Once you decide to give your life over to Jesus Christ and He gives you the Holy Spirit, many things will make sense. For example, the Bible has two statements: "an eye for an eye" and "love your neighbor." Which do you think is the more powerful statement? This is why you need to think. Be smart and point your nose to Heaven, to the things that are Good. Why are you nit-picking the Bible, when you gloss over many things Satan and this world spits at you? Why don't you ever give God a chance? God gives you a chance every day when He raises the sun every morning. Let it go and open up your heart to God and stop being foolish.
That doesn't excuse the commie bullshit "throw your life away and become a beggar"

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>>130620262
>>130609882

>>130612634

>They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon.
>For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded. And he that sounded the trumpet was by me.
>If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.
>If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

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>>130620251
>How do you give your life over to Jesus Christ?
“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). God has already done all of the work. All you must do is receive, in faith, the salvation God offers (Ephesians 2:8-9). Fully trust in Jesus alone as the payment for your sins. Believe in Him, and you will not perish (John 3:16). God is offering you salvation as a gift. All you have to do is accept it. Jesus is the way of salvation (John 14:6).

Faith without works is dead. Start by picking up the Bible and start reading from the book of Matthew. You can listen to the Bible as well (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAbmCQ3mVUg). Listen to what Jesus has to say. Don't listen to what man says. Man cannot free man, only God can. Repent of your sins, and pray, pray, and pray.

>>130620136
No, the verse in cor. does not say fornication in the way we have defined it in the english language.
>>130620088
I'm asking because I honestly want to have a discussion about something that doesn't seem as black and white as it's often made out to be.
Again, I am generally leaning towards what you're saying is correct. I see nothing wrong with looking at this more deeply.
Perhaps the best argument for marriage (and not having sex prior to it), is what Paul has written and said so far as I can tell.
Which I would extend towards not jerking your dick everyday which would likely lead to more sexual immorality (primarily lust).

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>>130620388
>That doesn't excuse the commie bullshit "throw your life away and become a beggar"
That's not what Jesus meant. Anyways, I'm not here to convert you, that's your job. I gave you the message and you know what to do. The ball's in your court.

>>130620354
He didn't kill himself.

>>130619998
Besides
>Why are you nit-picking the Bible,
Because every single Christcuck on this board say to follow the entirety of the Bible. Besides, that's not nitpicking. That's a very significant passage of the New Testament.
>when you gloss over many things Satan and this world spits at you?
The fact that other people are bad doesn't make you somehow better
> Why don't you ever give God a chance?
I did, I was Christian until the end of highschool
>God gives you a chance every day when He raises the sun every morning
He does not. Gravity and celestial mechanic do.

I heard that the soul is you and the spirit is gods "breath" that is that you are apart of god and god breaths life into the soul and the soul is the physical earthly manifestation that is "you".
Is this correct?

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>>130620708
>No, the verse in cor. does not say fornication in the way we have defined it in the english language.

1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

ITS A DIRECT CONTRAST!!!!! IN ORDER TO AVOID FORNICATION, YOU MUST GET MARRIED. IT DOESNT SAY IN ORDER TO PREVENT YOURSELF FROM HAVING GAY SEX, GET MARRIED TO A WOMEN JUST INCASE

IT DOES NOT SAY THAT. YOURE A FUCKING HERETIC. ITS A SIN!!!! GO ASK ANY PASTOR

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Fuck ya'll. Abortion is GOAT

I actually promote the birth control in the Orthodox Church so the dumb ass filth doesn't breed much

>>130620852
He allowed Himself to be killed. What's the difference? Why did that have to happen?