Fusion power is literally our best last hope

>>129616464
What is the point of wasting money on it when the inheritors of the world (nigs and sandnigs) won't be able to use it?

Yes fusion is humanity's last hope there is no other way to make energy other than fusion and we would all die without electricity in Africa

>>129616464
Im prety comfy with my petrol

>>129616464
Fred's notes.

>>129616464
It is our last hope but as long as (((they))) want to keep using oil, fusion power will not be a thing

>>129616738
Won't last forever

Remember, science is not a leftist endeavour.
They claim it is, but deny basic genetics and oppose nuclear.

Make nuclear/fusion a right wing goal.

>>129616738
Petrol can't get us to Mars and back

>>129616601
>What is the point of wasting money on it when the inheritors of America (nigs and sandnigs) won't be able to use it?

Fixed it. And the answer is, there is no point.

>>129617449
I'll be dead before it's gone.

>>129616622
/this/

Based Burger gets it.

>>129616622

Considering the amount of problems fusion would solve and how far it would advance technology, you're a fucking retard.

Truly, burger education at its finest.

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The sandypoos would just make a bomb out of it

>>129617762
>The sandypoos would just make a bomb out of it
Can't make a bomb out of 1gram of half-water.

>>129617969
The only reason they haven't built a nuke yet is because they cant easily recieve refined nuclear material. Now they obtain the technology to build a pure fusion bomb, thats when everyone meets allah.

>>129617533
what a niggerish attitude to be had

>>129617762
Look at the dog lmao. He's like "shiet I'm hit". Can we have more animal rekt photos? They make me laugh.

>>129616464
What about the liquid fluoride thorium reactor?

How will sandnigger make a fusion bomb if they can't even make a nuclear bomb?

Most fusion bombs used a fission bomb to trigger the fusion reaction

>>129618454
Nuclear fusion actually makes for really shitty bombs. If we had the ability to make a pure fusion bomb, we would also have the ability to produce power with fusion.

Hydrogen bombs still get most of their energy from the uranium, the little amount of fusion that takes place due to how hot the explosion is just makes more of the uranium undergo fission.

>>129617537
He was being sarcastic

>>129616464

fusion is the worst thing we can have. all it will be used for is expanding third world reproduction at the expense of western reproduction.

without fusion we will hit the carrying capacity of the earth much sooner meaning less third worlders and proportionately more white people.

>>129619794
This would be true, if white families were having children.

Too busy getting cucked these days.

>>129619429
>He was being sarcastic
I doubt it. He was spot on with his statement.

>>129616464
how many jobs would fusion power kill??
>oil/gas indystry
>coal industry
>renewable energy solar/wind

but I guess unlimited cheap fusion energy would get us into space and that would be the next frontier for humanity and the economy

>>129616464
Because Trump is smarter than you.

>>129617449
running out of oil is a meme but we would still have to replace it at some point just because our energy needs would outgrow fossil fuels ability to satisfy them.

doesn't make sense for a politician to fund something that is still 30+ years away from being financially viable, if its even viable at all.

private funding would be easier

>>129617762
a fusion reactor can't blow up. if containment is lost, the reaction just stops.

>>129616738
What happens in 2050 when it runs out?

>>129620353
>>coal industry

killing the coal industry also kills the steel industry. Because steel REQUIRES coal to make it. Electric arc furnaces can recycle/remelt steel but you can't MAKE steel without coal.

When coal regulations hit and trade started shipping out to china, it killed the steel industry in the US too. We import most of our steel from china. Bridges, planes, ships, railroads, cars skyscrapers.

I have no doubt it was part of this entire plot to wreck america's economy when the coal mines were forced to close. Detroit's death was planned. Our crumbling infrastructure is based on steel which requires coal. The American middle class was too strong. Trump has inside info, that's for sure.

>>129616464
Fusion research would pay more dividends than, say, space exploration. It's that cash whales don't fund it.

On the other hand, the US was in the right track with Molten Salt Reactors but they chose to go with pants-on-head retarded solid fuel design for that sweet plutonium.

In the next couple of decades the world will just keep churning coal and oil while governments fuck people in the ass with a push for electric cars.

>>129621153
They make more

>>129616464
engineeranon here

Problems with fusion are that its incredibly complex, might not be possible and all the research equipment is huge and expensive.

Look at tri-alpha or general fusion instagram or the W7 experiments. These are not cheap items. And this sort of stuff works better the bigger it is.

THe other issue is that renewables offer an incredible combination of feel good smugness and virtue signaling as well as insane opportunities for graft.

Fusion would actually require real work with the possibility of failure.

>>129617449
>>129620700
This. We cannot travel to the stars on some crude oil. We need fusion to open the doors to some real energy-driven initiatives to reach our next step of potential as a species.

We just need to deregulate nuclear power. We have enough fissile material to power the entire planet for thousands of years. There is just so much red tape because "muh Chernobyl" and "muh Three Mile Island" that it isn't cheap or easy (read: profitable) to make a new nuclear power plant.

>>129621680
Fusion is a meme at this point,always 30 years away.Just like the drying up oil wells.
There is more in the background why fusion is a meme,than actual work.There is something fucked up on a very basic level and thats why it seems so hard.

>>129621680
Fusion can already be done.... The problem now is that it requires more energy than it produces..

"Engineeranon" pssh. You are full of shit.

>>129621362
Are you serious? Coal won't go anywhere, it won't evaporate because it's less needed.

Your steel industry collapsed because China subsidises it's own.

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>>129617533
>I don't give a shit about my descendants.

Can you be anymore of a degenerate?

>>129621917
Read up on what confinenment is and the recent advances
also the idea of oil running out anytime soon is a joke, maybe in the KSA but in the USA we have far more then enough proven reserves

>>129621942
Livermore National Ignition Facility is getting close. :)

>>129616464
Its either that or killing 9/10 humans, and the latter is far easier to do.

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>>129616601
>end of the food chain
>i like that place
Keep that spirit going bruh, america is offing itself on a pace it's not even funny.

Also simply having something even close to electric energy conduction without loss of energy would help even more than fusion power.

>>129622687
How will advancing material science help you achieve fusion that produces more energy than it takes and is not a bomb?
In my opinion they are trying to imitate what the sun does,but they dont really know what the sun does.
There is more than one way to achieve fusion.

>>129616464
They already know how to do it and as soon as the oil actually does try up (not for a LONG time) it'll be brought in. But don't expect it to be any cheaper.

>>129621970
that was what I intended to point out. Our coal industry was over-regulated plus bad trade deals shipped out our steel industry to china. Killing our steel towns and our coal towns and the auto industry here.
Coal isn't less needed, the need only goes up because the need for steel goes up. But the US has to import most of its steel from China.
Bringing life back into US' own coal industry revitalizes its steel industry.

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>>129616464
>Why must the MIT cope with powerpoint presentations and cheap lab experiments while Europe spends billions on huge experiments to unlock fusion?

what do you have against powerpoint? i challenge you to find a better way to present a slideshow. go on, try me.

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>>129621591
Is that supposed to be a joke?

>>129623113
>i challenge you to find a better way to present a slideshow.
Real life slideshows aka billion dollar experiments.

>>129622958
This.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJGypQVzfWQ

>>129623208
still need a way to present your theories and findings to the people that fund you and cannot be in the lab with you

>>129620474
Unlimited resources are bad goy! Working harder for your (((masters))) is the only true freedom!

>>129616464
This is what we should be perusing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak

>>129621153
Same thing that happened when it ran out in 1990 and 2015. (pro tip: predictions were wrong and it didn't)

>>129616464
>Why must the MIT cope with powerpoint presentations and cheap lab experiments while Europe spends billions on huge experiments to unlock fusion?

Recently saw an interesting video from an MIT professor who claimed small fusion experiments are actually more useful.

His argument was basically that superconductors are improving so rapidly that any fusion reactor you build with today's superconductors will be outdated in just a few years.

Instead he proposed building a new reactor every 4/5 years.
But to do so it will have to be small and not too complex.

Don't know, but it makes some sense to me.

>>129623116
No.

>>129623113
Back in the 70's we had these things called "slide projectors", which powerpoint is a shitty simulation of.

>>129620353
>there is no other way to make energy other than fusion
Furthest thing from being spot on. He could say "the mechanism involved is theoretically the most efficient source of energy known to man" and I might give him a point but it's far from the only source of energy.

>>129623700
describe how these projectors were better

yeah.... but we have coal

>>129617507
>What is the point of wasting money on it when the inheritors of Germanistan (nigs and sandnigs) won't be able to use it?

Fixed it. and yes there is no point
Besides if Germany would aqua ire this kind of technology it would certainly blow up half of Europe

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>>129623786
keep digging the good stuff, bruh, rustbelt bromance party when??

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>>129620700
>running out of oil is a meme

I really am furrowing my brow irl right now, you Georgian fuck.

>>129623255
How long does the liquid nitrogen last? can it be used to keep the temperature and have excess energy to output?
If not then its not much use really.

>>129624187
He's right you know

>>129616464
My uncle got involved in a 'backyard' fusion design
he showed me when he had something real going and being of engineering and technical background it seemed to me he was really on to something
then my uncle disappeared along with all of his work

I'm now tinfoil hat

>>129617692
Muh 700 Gorillion in Europe can pay for it this time, since they think they are so educated. Spend it on Fusion instead of importing niggers.

>>129624253
>>129620700
>why not wipe with your bare hands?
If hollow earth theory is true we may be in for much more coal, bruhs!

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>>129624253

No he isn't.

Not even remotely.

>>129623940
Only the Eastern half.

>>129624531
>>129624536
There is enough oil available now than ever before. Before it runs out- new sources will arrise.

The same thing was said about coal in the XIX century and yet, it's still fucking here!

>>129616464
last hope for what you dirty rotten Jew rat

fuck off

>>129624645
>enough
more*

>>129624531
Are you retarded,by chance?

>>129620474
It wouldn't kill oil and gas, unless you know a way I don't to make plastic and lubricants.

>>129623607
Dude's name is Zach Hartwig or Dennis Whyte. Both have tried for years to get funding for MIT fusion research... to no avail.

REBCOs are yielding higher magnetic fields. But Europeans aren't braindead. They know that very well. The problems with fusion aren't just increasing field strength to reduce size.

>>129616464
If we have a cheap source of energy like that right now, believe me, it will just be used to fuel more degeneracy. We are not ready for it.

>>129624536
Yes he is.

It's called peak oil and it's very much accepted throughout the oil industry: oil will never run out, but it will become more expensive, forcing people to look for alternatives.

>>129621857
then we should stop shooting rockets into space with crude oil until we achieve fusion. SHUT DOWN NASA NOW!

>>129624875
we had peak oil in the 80s under jimmy carter

oops

>>129624820
I'm not saying large, complex experiments are useful too.

But if every reactor takes you 19 years to make progress will be very slow.
So why not, in addition to building a large reactor every 2 decades, build a small one every 2 years?

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>>129616464
>best place to get fusion fuel is the moon
>we start mining the moon
>not long before there are 2 perma bases at the moon's poles, first there to mine the H3, but then the regalith for titanium and the poles for H20
>things explode in productivity from there, moon is now earth's primary launchpad for space travel
>by this time 3D printing tech is so advanced, we literally send out gigantic spider-like ships that eat asteroids and shit-out spaceships; completely modular printers that will print anything we want

Get ready nig nogs.

So long as Islam doesn't fuck this shit up for all of us, we're looking at an awesome future.

Why should the state finance it?

>>129625243
because liberals never do the work or pay for anything

>>129625208
Because you can cut more money from one big project that goes on for 20 years than from smaller projects.There is a reason why fusion is a meme at this point.Always 30 years away.

>>129625082
Every individual oil field peaks.
And every oil producing country peaks.
And the world's oil production as a whole peaks.

That's why it's a tell tested, sold theory.

>>129625229
The aliens that nuked Mars will have some saying in that too,you know.Sandniggers are not our primary concern in space.

>>129625460
yes it's a sold theory...and then they found more oil. I guess the netherlands never taught you about the "peak oil" crisis in the early 80s under jimmy carter. PEAK OIL EVERYWHERE. people waiting in lines for a gallon of gas

then they found more oil. Then oil to 100. Then crashed last year because they found ever more oil. you are being jew'd

>>129625760
It was only American conventional oil fields that peaked.

And they never found more oil.
They switched from conventional oil to tight oil.

US tight oil hasn't peaked yet, but it will too and then you'll have to switch to oil shale.

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>>129624679
>>129624645
Ok so we just have to blow every coal we got into the atmosphere and then suddenly something else emerges, got it bruh!
Why don't we do this with whales?

>>129616464
Fusion isn't that great.
>Requires rare, expensive isotypes to work.
>Shitloads of capital and government investment
>Energy can't be efficiently harnessed and distributed.

It can potentially be marginally cheaper than coal... so fucking what.

>>129616601
underated

>>129626236
so now it changed from peak oil to american peak oil. awesome.

>>129616601
So it'll blow itself up when we're gone and wipe them out.

>>129626327
take all the solar panels in the world+wind and now power every single electronic thing. Only .6% of the world would have power. If you want to see the 1% I'll show you the 1%

>>129626236
y>>129616464
EOR pushed this decades out further

>>129626405
>>Requires rare, expensive isotypes to work.
Like what? Water? Lithium?
>>129626405
>>Shitloads of capital and government investment
Remember how fission power ended up viable?
>>129626405
>>Energy can't be efficiently harnessed and distributed.
Sure it can. We just need to get well above Q1 = 1.

>>129626604
So solar panels will stay that efficient and when coal peaks they will become more efficient got it!
Why didn't we stop advancing the PC if it couldn't do math fast enough, bruh?

>>129626805
if all you need for fusion are water and litium then why don't you just get some and combine it in your backyard

>>129626445
No, the point is oil production ALWAYS has a peak shape.
No matter if you look at an individual well, a single oil field, all oil field within a region/country, all oil field on a continent or all oil fields in the world combined.

>>129625208
>But if every reactor takes you 19 years to make progress will be very slow.
>So why not, in addition to building a large reactor every 2 decades, build a small one every 2 years?

REBCOs have only become available in the last few years. Sure they can build some small reactor less capable of ITER and less capable of W X-7 with newer tech high temp superconducting magnets... but that won't answer the problems you have to build production ready fusion power plants.

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>>129625660
>The aliens that nuked mars

its a meme to distract you from the fact that radiation isnt dangerous and local fission reactors every 10 blocks would provide limitlessness free energy

>>129626327
Maybe you should look at the periodic table.You seem like you never met one in person before.

>>129626915
Or better yet, just use your microwave in your kitchen to really activate those atoms

>>129627114
There is published proof if you try google.

>>129620474
It wouldn't kill anything
it would probably boost them, because you'd have all the energy you needed to synthesize them, and thus could produce and sell more products

>>129627168
>Radiation isn't dangerous

WEW lad.
W E W.

>>129626972
>that won't answer the problems you have to build production ready fusion power plants.

It's a learning experience.

To build a production reactor you will probably need another 10-20 experiments.
That's 200-400 years at this pace - good luck.

Nuclear power is best. Too many fags scared of a little radiation. Think of it as thinning the herd. We got enough people on this planet. The strong will survive.

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>>129627237
Is the periodic on the table what comes out of your dad's cunt once in a month?

>>129616464
Cold fusion is impossible.
Stop it with this folly.

>>129618454
>fusion bomb
Less sci-fi, more reading.

>>129627491
Nuclear is a good option,but nuclear was accepted in the first place with the promise that they'll figure out what to do with the waste it produces.
Guess what happened with that?

>>129627683
Who said anything about cold?

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>>129617762
You really don't know how fusion works

>>129627670
>omg coal gone
>everyone dies no other option left
Go on,ahmed, you waked my interest

>>129627723
Ehm...we already have hydrogen bombs.

But a fusion reactor won't turn into one.

>>129627443
good goy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMqHTbXm3rs

>>129626327
>How do economics work

>>129627976
>muh periodic table
>muh ahmed
Is it A) you sound like a braindead murrican corporate dicksucker?

>>129616464
dunno, i'm sure it has nothing to do with the big oil exec in the whitehouse

>>129627723
A hydrogen bomb IS a fusion bomb

>>129628084
>once whales get too extinct to be cheap enough they will have a comeback
Sure the market will regulate itself, bruh got it!
Will the market provide me with a SCUD in the backyard once military defense budget is cut?
Should it?

Cold fusion is literally impossible.

>>129628229
>what is fermentation residue from ethanol
No,ahmed,its about you seem to cling to the belief that if coal is gone the world ends and there is no way coal can be manufactured if its really needed right now.Periodic table.Look at it.

>>129628478
Are you retarded or pretending?

>>129628672
Are you?

>>129628672
65IQ ahmed with mutti-phone

>>129627483
>To build a production reactor you will probably need another 10-20 experiments.

Actually, what you need is one experiment at the Q>1 range, i.e. generated heat fusion power exceeds put in energy. That is what ITER is about. W X-7 is about confinement.

We already had 100 experiments with low Qs. We learned everything we can with those small experiments.

>>129628596
It is, check out muon catalysed fusion, but its not viable

>>129616464
>thinks it's our best last hope
>it's actually our last best hope
Easy mistake

>>129628597
>residue in trouser
Why don't you manufacture your poo, bruh?
I cling to the belief that america is offing itself by digging for coal while the rest of the world arrives in 21.century.

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>>129616464

Because this is what you get when Russian hackers and bitter virgin shut-ins elect a fucking idiot.

Because this is white racism at its core: gross, anti-science ignorance.

Because climate denial is now the cornerstone of American environmental policy, while the rest of the civilized world shuts up regressive retards.

Because white fucking men won't let go of their entitlement, and threw an absolute shit-fit over the very notion of a smart, qualified, incredibly prepared vagina running the show.

This is literally why we will never have nice things, and America will become a third rate backwater.

I hope all the far right fucktards remember this when their next hospital bill BANKRUPTS them to give more heaping tax cuts to Donald Dumbfuck's billionaire butt buddies.

I hope American whites bite their tongues off while they mumble under their breathe when brilliant, savvy Muslim tourists from Europe come here in twenty years, and American fuckboys are forced to serve Muslims halal.

I hope America is sanctioned, mocked, and ruthlessly attacked the very fucking SECOND the military infrastructure goes the way of everything else: straight down the shitter. We're too dumb to ever let go of casual skinheadism. Someone needs to liberate the sane population here.

And yes, I fucking hope, hope, HOPE every fucking downie who ever voted for an (R) remembers it didn't have to be this way, and way back in 2016, there was a mind-numbly simple solution:

YOU SHOULD HAVE LET HER WIN!

I think it would be better to let Eurofags pay for the fusion discoveries then patent troll our way into dominating it.

Its what we always do and it works great.

>>129616464

Does anyone know if a fusion/fission reactor has been made attempting to use piezoelectricity?

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Listen, Dahnald. I've seen the future. I have seen every timeline.

Fusion power is one of the only ways to get us to the next level of technological progress, Dahnald. It is one of the only ways we could ever hope to reach the fabled Galactigates.

Jobs will be abound, Dahnald. Miners of the earth will seek to do their work in space. Millions of jobs, Dahnald. The cost of bringing things in and out of orbit would be immensely decreased. We could begin to put people on other bodies throughout the solar system, Dahnald, and from there, look outward to spread the ideals of true conservatism across the multiverse.

Take the red lollipop, Dahnald, and let me get the Bogdahnoffs started on developing the necessary equipment.

>>129628811
>what you need is one experiment at the Q>1 range

Nah.

A 1 billion reactor that needs a 6 months long re-build for every 2 weeks it can produce power isn't going to be economically viable.

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>>129629190
Go on please,you are entertaining with all your facts and arguments

it's a meme technology just like FTL travel, never happening

>>129629377
I have seen a lot of claims, but not a functioning one

>>129629366
You have something better,you wont need it anyways.

>>129629366
>then patent troll our way into dominating it.

Well, America did invent donuts, so any Tokamak should pay royalties to Dunkin's.

>>129629500
>didn't he read my periodic table non argument??
You cannot even follow consecutive logics.
You are a drunken dumbo, nothing else to add.

>>129629305
k lol

>>129619429
Krauts can't detect sarcasm, so don't blame him I guess.

Where the fuck is my Mr Fusion?

>>129624187
burger education at it's finest

>>129629917
Go on,ahmed,im interested in did you find coal on the periodic table?

>>129621862
This. Most places that have heavy restrictions on nuclear transport and research are liberal, like Berkeley. Just slap some plants down in the southwestern deserts where no one will be near them and let the technology develop safely but unhindered by fear mongers. We can possibly get fusion in the future, but we already have a massively more efficient source than the one we are using now. We don't need to switch everything over or pass new laws, we just need to let new entrepreneurs explore the new methods without bogging them down and banning them.

>>129618889
FEDORA POSTER

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>>129616464
America contributed the most to those European experiments you retard.

>>129623496
It will run out eventually tho

>>129616464
They military is the one working on fusion in the US and has been since the 60's. You don't hear about it because its a fucking military project.

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>>129616464

>Trump abandoned all fusion power projects

nice link faggot

>>129630362
You have to solve the problem of nuclear waste before you proceed with nuclear energy research.Otherwise you just create a death trap to your children.

>>129625243
The most important and least asked question. If it's important, people will pay for it but expect results or at least innovative ideas. If they force people to pay for it you'll be given rhetoric after decades of no promising leads.

>>129616622
six gorillion

>>129627362
>Published proof
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I do hope you aren't going to make a claim like that and expect me to go and do all of the research to back up your immensely insane claim.

LENR is cheaper to develop, and would give better results.
Plus we have a huge fision reactor called the sun - if you spend 20% of the fusion budget on developing cheaper, more efficient solar panels and battery storage systems, the energy crisis would be over way before widespread fusion rollout.

>>129631111
Not really, we can dump it for ages into deep underground storages

>>129628015
If you proved that radiation isn't fucking deadly, you'd win a goddamn nobel prize.

Go on - prove it; test it on yourself, show the scientific world the majesty of your intellect.

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>>129631366
>https://archive.org/details/pdfy-sRmXR7I7gg2jEQFd
Why would i,anon?

>>129631434
How would you transport energy into darker corners of the earth?

LENR aka the new name for cold fusion research has made more progress then traditional fusion.

>>129631111
lets catapult it into space

>>129616464
He hasn't no funding has been cut. He hasn't even had a chance to evaluate it yet because until today he did not have a cabinet thanks to MUH RUSSIA meme from the media.

Funding to fusion projects was cut under Obama why don't you ask the nigger why he hated science? Daily reminder he tried to kill off nasa until democrat senators got involved and stopped him.

Saging this thread because you are retarded

>>129631111
What problem? Waste can be stored underground away from fault lines and groundwater, recycled, used for research and development, or shot into space where we will never see it again. This death trap talk is nonsense.

>>129631496
Radiation hormesis, but it applies only to low dosages

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Fusion research has always been "well, in the next 20 years we might have a breakthrough!" then 20 years comes and goes and they say the same thing
>yesterday was 4 weeks ago

>>129631445
Thats not how it works.I will not back nuclear energy before im convinced the waste will present no danger to our children.Dumping them in to deep underground storages where quakes can leak it into ground water is very far from convincing.

>>129616464


> unless the government throw money at it, it doesn't exist

>>129616464

Why is fusion better than nuclear?

>>129631111
Also, look into spallation. Its already technologically possible, just not profitable

>>129631724
Today its not used to meaningful research and developement.Its just showed away putting the problem on our childrens shoulder.

>>129631111
you can literally swim in cooling pools with nuclear "waste"

>>129631872

Because you can make xbawks-hueg amounts of energy with fusion instead of fission (our current nuclear energy method). Fusion is how our Sun and every other star makes their energy.

>>129631872
Potentialy close to infinite fuel reserves, deuterium, of which there is a fuckton in the oceans

>>129631496
step one: go outside

step two: get sun tan

step three: survive

wow so hard

>>129616464
>Why has Trump abandoned all fusion power projects?
The fuck are you talking about?

>>129631872
Because its a technology we have no chance at mastering right now, and it keeps people from asking "why not just nuclear" if we pretend something else is in reach.

>>129616464

Bullshit, I only real hope is to do a Matrix and figure out how to create power from Niggers allowing them to be productive for the first time in history. A nigger battery will be the first time in history a nigger has worked.

>>129631920
>spallation
I know about it.Im not convinced by it.

>>129629305
nigger

>>129631872

Bc you can fuse particles for lots of energy, then split them up for more lots of energy

well its ridiculous lugging huge tanks of gas in space just to be able to move so yeah we need something like this

>>129616464
Lockheed martin is working on it, and probably some other military contractors.

>>129632386
Nuclear fusion yields net energy only up to Fe

>>129616464
because helium is finite on this planet. we lose more every day and it wont exist here soon enough

every fusion attempt that actually produces fusion requires a cushion of helium pared with the hydrogen

in 40 years the only way man has ever been able to produce fusion in a controlled environment wont be viable

side not the fusion bomb aka the H bomb was a hoax perpetrated by the american government. it was covered at length in a documentary inwhich a european scientist noticed something odd in the footage of the hydrogen bomb test. the fireball. it shouldnt ignite it should just expand as super heated gas (a byproduct of so much energy being released through fusion) to fast for any visible flame. they just ignited a shit load of liquid hydrogen with liquid oxygen. thats not fusion

>>129632546
military contractors have zero-point energy generators already given by extraterrestrial intelligence. they are at least 100-150 years more advanced than even prototype tech

>>129632254
Should the need arise, there is nothing stoping humanity from implementing it en masse. The physical principles are trival. So far its much easier to just dump wastes somewhere where nobody cares

>>129632603
>how does hbomb work
Hbomb is kickstarted with a nuke if you want to know.Hence the fireball.

>>129616464
>fusion energy can create an explosion larger than the current worlds biggest nuke
fucking liberals man

>>129626805
deuterium, tritium, heavy water... all in abundant supply. Tritium at useful concentrations is over $30,000 a gram.

Combine this with the technical issues of keeping a fusion reaction going while extracting more energy than you put into the system.

Combine this with the technical challenge of keeping the system running long enough to generate a useful amount of energy. China recently had an experiment with superheated plasma that ran for 102 seconds. What a fucking joke.

>>129632603
Helium is constantly produced via alpha decay

>>129632798
>very prototype technology isn't 100% effective
wow, unthinkable

>>129632603
>because helium is finite on this planet.

If only fusion reactors produced helium.....huh?

>>129616464
>Why has Trump abandoned all fusion power projects?
Russians have achieved fusion power, anon. No need to shovel money into inventing bicycle.
Just send in niggers to steal it.

>>129632746
Do you trust the world to care about the waste?I want a solution that leaves no waste behind.Mankind has already produced at least 270 000 tonnes of waste that is capable of ending life as we know it.

>>129616464
Got corn, will distill, if needed.
Go fuck your centralized systems of power and control knobs on society..
Don't need ya. Don't want ya.

>>129632135
Okay, first off, we're obviously speaking in the context of ionizing gamma, as well as alpha/beta radiation; the kind of shit you find in a nuclear reactor, around nuclear material or in cosmic space, don't be a pedantic bitch or i'll flick your willy m8.

>>129616464

Fusion energy is the deus ex machana that is always x years away.

We have spent billions on it. Ive been to NIF personally (a waste of tax dollars imo). However it remains pure science.

Even IF ITER does break even on energy output, its all in heat energy. Your going to loose tons of efficiency trying to use the heat produced to spin a turbine. Its not even set up to capture the energy produced, its just a giant proof (or lack thereof) of concept. Im not even sure if we'll see a power producing fusion plant in my lifetime.

Furthermore, do you think we're above just stealing the technology, if someone does produce a working design?

>>129633442
Well, I surely dont trust the chinks, you have a point here.

>>129616464
Only if it's decentralised.

>>129633442
>I want a solution that leaves no waste behind.
Then kill yourself dude.
Every energy solution leaves waste behind. It's an unreasonable standard. In the case of fission.... the waste already exists. It exists before we even try to get energy out of it.

>>129633611
The fleets speed is always determined by the slowest ship.

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>>129616464
It's more cost effective to follow the Chinese model. You go ahead and invest everything and shoulder all the risk and if you pull it off we'll just steal the designs. I'm sure it'll be well engineered. Thanks!

>>129633734
Yes,thats how you think.Fuck me for wanting a better solution than just trust every fucking retard on the planet with a nuclear plant to not fuck up the planet.

>>129631527
There have been natural thermonuclear explosions on earth too, in its ancient history, from clumps of sufficiently radioactive material reaching critical mass; of course 4.whatever billion years on, that doesn't happen anymore because whatever radioactive deposits around from the original formation of the planet have either already gone off, or decayed enough to not be an issue.

There's even an example of a natural nuclear power plant forming in a cave system wherein the material was able to heat a trapped body of water that, due to the shape of the cave was able to regulate itself in a way not unlike modern nuclear power plants.

That all said, i read the fucking 'trump is a time traveller' thing, so i guess i'll give this a crack too.

>>129633734
Also im not talking about nuclear process of generating energy that leaves no waste behind.
I want the waste gone completely afterwards by reprocessing or whatever.

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>>129633926
99% of the nuclear waste produced can be reused to produce more energy in other reactors
the actual nasty shit we cannot use is so small, we could easily afford to fling it into the fucking sun at current rocket prices
your delusion and lack of knowledge on the subject is fucking glaring

>>129633926
Of course it is better to have your cake and eat it.
Good job wanting that.

>>129616464
Because europe is already spending all the money on researching it

>>129633517
One of my proffesor said, that if we have had invested all those fusion money into conventional energy sources, every negro would drive a cadillac right now.
Anyway, all in all i think its still worth being worked on. Lets just not put much hope in it, and divert more money into fission, which is already here.

>>129616464
>Why has Trump abandoned all fusion power projects?
Because the NSA will simply steal our plans when German scientists found a proper way for fusion.

>>129634059
>xenon129
Xenon 129 is specific for fission weapons and is consistent with fission weapon tests on Earth.You didnt even read it did you.
Go on,mate,publish that and debunk it.I'll be very happy to know there were no aliens nuking Mars 200 million years ago.

>>129634059
If your talking about Gabon reactor, it was fission, which was possible because of higher levels of U 235 then

>>129634104
>270 000 tons.about we know.at least.
>so small just fling it into the sun

>>129616464
I'm waiting for it to kill us all.

>One day you wake up and see a bright light just encroaching and that is all

>>129634104
>the actual nasty shit we cannot use
that stuff also has a short half life anyways. the more dangerous an isotope is, the shorter lived it is also

>>129634343
I said right at the end I haven't read it, but that I would.

>>129634422
That's the one.

Nice double dubz

>>129632729
I wouldn't doubt it

>>129631111
Nuclear waste is only waste because we refuse to refine it into plutonium.

The same thing that makes a material dangerously radioactive makes it a viable fuel for a breeder reactor. You can easily dump the fuel into cooler and cooler reaction chambers as you breed higher order fuels, which you burn in your original energy reactor.

>>129634340
IF you are so sure about your german scientists.why the fuck are you not funding vacuum energy research?That would make actual sense.
Oh yes,its more easy to steal from a project the size of ITER.

>>129634104
The 1% that's left is the least nasty shit, actually. The nastiest stuff is the best fuel.

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>>129634461
remember, governments are retarded
how much of that 270,000 tons cannot be put into breeder reactors?
how much of that is actual useless isotopes
and that is also the GLOBAL amount
all the nations that could afford to build reactors, can also fund rockets to get rid of it

>>129634781
Then do it please?

>>129619794
>for is expanding third world reproduction at the expense of western reproduction
Plz stop with the Malthusian crap anon it was debunked before his own ink dried in the drivel he wrote

The reason birth rates are low in the west (and rich Asian nations) is exactly because we are rich. It is very typical for many species to reproduce at very high rates during times of poverty and hardship and humans are no different.
Population very quickly stabilizes when wealth increases so even if you want to see less shit skins breeding for the sake of it then you'd want to see them become genuinely wealthy.

What you're seeing in Africa is no different than the mouse utopia experiment. Unearned wealth being provided and not worked for absolutely rekts a population with the afflictions you mentioned even worse than poverty.

>>129634970
In comparison there are 500,000 tons of iphones in the world, and those are much more toxic to humanity

>>129634862
Vacuum energy will be unreachable as a source indefinitely unless something changes about the laws of physics. You need an energy differential, not just raw energy, otherwise you could just make things colder for free energy.

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>>129634719
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1802

>>129634978
It's illegal because that's how you make good bomb material for nukes.

>>129634862
Casimir effect? Thats some proper star trek science there, crazy shit

>>129634970
Somehow everywhere the waste just gets buried and hoped that our children will find a solution.Thats not a bright idea on any level.
Want nuclear plants power everything?Great,solve the waste.Im 100% behind nuclear if the waste is solved.

>>129635161
100% of the 1% of left over waste can be stored on sight in clay containers at a fast breeder plant. its only radioactive for 100 years and the reactors produce very little of it

so I'd suggest to your kids to stop playing around inside of nuclear power plants

>>129624256

go on...

>>129634104
> we could easily afford to fling it into the fucking sun at current rocket prices
Leaf, rockets fail. I hope you will never be in charge of everything other than a shovel

>>129635048
Yes,making a small sun sounds makes more sense than research vacuum(quantum) energy.
>>129635092
Its not so crazy as it sounds.The problem with it is that you dont need trillion dollar project to research it that can feed corrupt organizations for decades.
>>129635083
In my opinion nukes are less dangerous than buried nuclear waste.Nukes are safe if you dont use them.Waste is not safe if you dont use it.

>>129616601
The Asians, they will be humanities last hope

>>129635161
You want Thorium power.

Much, much less waste, extremely difficult to meltdown/cause huge damage from neglect/unfortunate events, actually creates useful rare materials as exhaust.

And you can even convert existing nuclear plants to thorium plants with minimal effort.

Downside of course is that they don't produce anything that can be used to make nuclear bombs, and governments love making nuclear bombs.

>>129635382
Then why are they buried in deep underground storage facilites that are designed in the hope to be there without fail for multiple hundred thousand years?

>>129636112
Because no one builds fast breeder plants. The designs are there, but not many people make them. What you have currently are the gigantic nuclear power plants that produce loads of waste

>>129635938
Thorium has a problem too.India started with big mouth how they will build thorium power plants,yet they will now build 10 heavy water reactors instead.

there is no hope

>>129634259
>and divert more money into fission, which is already here.
This wouldn't even be necessary if Greenpeace fucked off after stopping nuclear weapons testing and didn't take down nuclear power with it.

Even today "environmentalist" (check out "Merchants of despair" by mark zubrin for what I mean there tldr environmentalism specifically in the leadership is a Malthusian antihumanist movement much more so than an environmentalist movement) are still the single biggest hurdle against nuclear power.
At least in the US.

>>129636191
See,you can throw ideas around,but the fact remains that the nuclear waste is a problem that is put on our childrens shoulder in the hope they will find a solution.Thats not a responsible solution on any level.

>>129635938

have you ever researched the downsides to thorium?

>>129636191
We dont build them, cause of the non proliferation paradigm

>>129635910
Please explain how you would make a force between two plates that is present constantly give you any energy out. As far as I can tell it would simply be a potential well, like gravity, where you have to push it into position with the same amount of energy you get out.

In other words, how would it be any better than getting energy out of lifting and dropping a rock?

Also, I agree, I'd rather have the nukes.

>>129636671
>please explan
Please give trillions of dollars and i will try with a guarantee that it will be at least as succesful as ITER.

>>129636551
You're just talking about your feelings on the matter. They're irrelevant. The fact remains that the best type of nuclear power produces very little waste that is all stored on site, never to be interacted with by humans.

That is a hell of a lot better than say, coal plants which leave all sorts of poisonous shit for people to breathe in, least of all its own radioactive waste. Even the construction of solar panels poisons environments. In comparison fast breeders are about as green as you can get.

>>129636565
No, but I bet there are fucking loads - all of this kind of emerging power tech always does, otherwise, it would have been implemented years ago.

>>129636310
Probably because it relies on salt water, and they couldn't clean all the poo and Ganges corpse sludge out of their water.

>>129634187
Shhhhh.... Don't tattle. Let them create and develop it, then of course out of the goodness of their little environmentalist liberal hearts they will share the technology with the world.

>>129636596
The waste isn't even good for nuclear weapons. At best you can make dirty bombs from the waste, but in theory it would all be stored in a sealed environment you cannot get into. Compare that to conventional reactors where the waste actually gets shipped around and people can feasibly get their hands on it.

>>129636823
>feelings
>compares nuclear waste to coal plant
Go on

>>129636788
Fuck you too then. I still don't understand why you're against fusion energy when you're ok with wasteless fission energy. Fusion energy is inherently wasteless.

>>129637019
What point are you trying to even make? Your engrish has been difficult enough to decipher up till now.

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You know, its really like they are using games like fallout 4 as a propaganda machine to further this shit...

>>129637039
Im not against fusion energy,im against the curroption that is called ITER that will lead nowhere in the coming decades outside of material science that can be achieved for the fraction of cost.Thats the reasone fusion is a meme,not because im against it.

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>>129637039
I think you don't know a lot about fusion.

>>129619009

Why does no one take thorium reactors seriously?

>>129637198
Because you seem not to understand that nuclear waste is not about feelings but cold truth.
You go on and on how there is a good design of nuclear plant that doesnt produce much waste - but hey its not the design in general use and we produce the fucking waste and put it in bunkers hoping nothing will happen to it.
Fuck hope.Its the age of science,not religion.Fuck hope.

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>>129616464

>while Europe spends billions on huge experiments to unlock fusion?

EU is trying to unlock a different kind of fusion.

>>129616601
Fpbp

>>129635928
What are they going to do with it, find a more efficient way to boil dogs alive?

>>129616464
Since Europe barely invests in their own military they can have all the money to invest in doomed to failure projects.

>>129636994
It produces plutonium 239 which is a prime material for a nuke contrary to the 10% or so enriched uranium

>>129637749
Make something that dwarves fukushima.

>>129637616
You're a fucking retard. I keep on telling you that the little bit of waste it produces its all stored RIGHT THERE. It barely moves an inch. There are no bunkers involved.

At worst its a sealed environment humans don't want to go to. But you seem to hate the idea that there would be several square feet on this planet that is dangerous for you to step into. Why? What does it matter? There's plenty of places on earth like that already, both natural and unnatural.

>>129637039
It produces nuclear wastes via neutron activation of non radiactive materials. There is hovever aneutron fusion possibility

>>129637647
Top bantz

>>129637313

>>129637319
>Neutrons in a fusion reactor would lead to radioactive waste
It's trivial to have the neutrons captured by something that undergoes beta decay into another stable atom.

It's also possible to fuse things that don't give you extra neutrons, like 2 deuterium particles, but that is harder of course.

Even if you do irradiate some lead shielding, that's 1 neutron per fusion, which generates 100+x more energy than the per-neutron rates for fission reactors.

>>129637313
Implying that your magic quantum plate research would be any less of a corrupted bureaucratic mess, and produce any better results.

Both are testable phenomena. Fusion is proven to actually be capable of generating more energy than you put in. (see hydrogen bombs)

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>>129616464
>unlimited power
Yeah with the limited power we have look at all the shit we've caused for ourselves.
#neverfusion

>>129637991
Yes,a fucking leaf.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/05/09/tunnel-collapses-at-hanford-nuclear-waste-site-in-washington-state-reports-say/
In the arguably most developed part of the planet.Go on and keep hoping the chinks and poos wont kill the entire planet for your children.
Fucking useless piece of shit.
No nuclear waste bunkers.Yes.Your mother should have aborted you and hanged herself.

>>129616464
>implying Trump stopped research into fusion power

>>129616464

This is inaccurate. Nuclear Fusion is now classified and being done by the military industry.

>>129638146
>see hydrogen bombs
I would love to watch you trying to make a power plant that works on C4.

>>129617449

>>lefties oppose nuclear

You know I never really understood the reason behind that. I mean for instance leftist countries like Germany seem to be bending over backwards to distance themselves from nuclear, and yet I haven't heard a good reason why they're rushing to replace em with solar/wind.

Maybe they're afraid of all them nazi nuclear alt right supporters.

>>129616464
Because they've been trying to get fusion to break even since the 60's

>>129638146
>It's trivial to have the neutrons captured by something that undergoes beta decay into another stable atom.

It's also extremely expensive and it requires you to refit and shut down the reactor at least once per year.

>>129638249

you do not understand the difference between fusion and fission so you should stop posting now.

>>129638608
>difference between fusion and fission
>link to nuclear waste facility accident
Go on

>>129638249
>tunnel collapses
>the waste is even more secure and harder to get to now
I don't see the problem?

>>129638784

there is no nuclear waste with fusion - your turn.

>>129631434
christ, can solar fags kill themselves already

1 kw/m2 under optimal conditions pointing directly at the sun
no amount of bitching will change that and its not enough

solar is a meme, only thing worse is fucking wind. fracking is way more environmentally friendly then both.

>>129638884
Yes there is. You can't make every part of the reactor out of materials that will transmute into useful elements under neutron bombardment. Most of the reactor will slowly turn toxic and have to be disposed of and replaced, which cuts into the profits tremendously.

>>129639114

fuck off cunt that's not nuclear waste, that's irradiated equipment. Absolutely 100% trivial, go suck an oil ceo's cock.

>>129638828
>even more secure
You are just incapable to understand that the most developed part of the planet cant build a tunnel that holds for a reasonable ammount of its designed lifetime and why hoping that nothing serious will happen is not a responsible thing to do on any level,are you ?

>>129639272
It transmutes into other radioisotopes, so it very much is nuclear waste, shareblue shill.

>>129638424
That's what they said about gasoline.

All I meant by that was we KNOW we can get energy out in some form, not that we have a working design.

Show me some C4 made with the casimir effect and we can talk.

For the record, I would love to try to make an engine that ran on C4.

>>129639369
>>129638884
>>129638784

hey you dumb cunt, I see you skipped responding. It's still your go queer.

>>129637749
the chinks and koreans eat dogs

japs don't, if they can figure out a way to fix their birth rate they will be humanities last hope

once again nationalism is the answer

>>129638884
Im talking about nuclear waste you retard produced by nuclear power plants.There is no fucking fusion plant working anywhere to produce waste in the first place.
Your turn.

>>129639382

IT ONLY IRRADIATES THE EQUIPMENT YOU MUPPET

>>129639625
Which then has to be disposed of in a nuclear waste facility, and you have to take apart the entire reactor core assembly because it all gets lit up by neutrons.

>>129639502

there is. this thread is also about nuclear fusion. your turn you herpes pancake

>>129639388
Yes and whats the difference between C4 and fusion in your head?We KNOW that we can get energy out in some form.
Give $ and i research otherwise dont demand me to explain to your osmium-dense skull how quantum energy works.

>>129639739

ignoring that it's 100% trivial, fucking shale pushing queer

>>129621153
sounds like next gens problem, let them solve it while we ride the oil jew

>>129639764
Show me a working fusion plant that produces energy thats get sold.
Go on lifeless piece of shit.Your turn.

>>129624645
Next we hunt for space whales and create Dyson spheres

>>129616464
>Why has Trump abandoned all fusion power projects?
Because none of them work and they are a massive waste of tax dollars.

>>129638884
>there is no nuclear waste with fusion - your turn.
Bullshit! It's shorter lived, but it's still nuclear waste, much of it with half-lives exceeding the life expectancy of any human.

>>129639272
>fuck off cunt that's not nuclear waste, that's irradiated equipment. Absolutely 100% trivial, go suck an oil ceo's cock.
It is fucking called nuclear waste, you lying sack of shit.

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>>129616464
fusion energy is a meme, u can tell because Germany is working on it

There are multiple fusion experiments running right now with more due to start up before 2020.

All methods of fusion being explored require an immense amount of energy being put into the system. If none of these experiments generated 10 times the energy required to keep them running then fusion power will be a pipe dream for another few decades.

Hell fusion power might never work, in which case they are blowing billions of dollars with no return.

>>129616464
It's more efficient to let individuals learn and apply themselves compared to massive government waste...

Individual unlocks secret of fusion in his lab, costs government 0 dollars.

Government wants to unlock secret of fusion, willing to pay 10s of trillions and don't care when it gets done because the money goes to companies owned by rich political donors...

You people who put faith in the government are the problem.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion
Cold fusion real, pol btfo

>>129638424
>What is project PACER

>carve 200m sphere in saltrock
>fill with water
>drop H-bomb into centre
>harvest steam
>drop H bomb into centre
>rinse and repeat

>>129641574
Now thats some crazy shit thats real.
But its still a bomb and i dont think you could use it for even a day without fucking up the cavity and the need of digging a new one.
Remnants of american engineering.They wanted to make it work they made it work.Every other aspect was left out of the equation.
The nuke-powered space ships are fun too.