Should we restore the monarchies?

>>129062721
Yes, democracy is a mistake and it is exploited by those who do not have their countries interests in mind. A monarch is a personification of a country and for them, improvement of the country is equivalent of personal gain, whilst general politicians often seek personal gain at the expense of the country.

>>129062721
It's more democracy than what we got now.
It's a lottery where everyone born has the potential of becoming the ruler.
So on average, it will be an average human being (with a odd childhood).

"Democracy" is a coalition of psycopaths manipulating the people through media.

Democracy only works on a smaller scale where everyone can meet face to face and have a discussion. When discussion dies, so does democracy.

>>129062721
>assuming politicians aren't already monarchs

>>129062721
You can't have monarchy without strong religion. Once Islam fully takes over, maybe.

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>>129062721
Had this thread the other day. Democracy has failed since suffrage has been given to everyone. Many of the prime ministers of the 19th century were very effective, yet the 20th century was quite different. Sure, our country had characters like Lloyd George and Asquith, but they were pretty ineffective in some areas and lay foundations for some shit policy making later on. Many consider Churchill to have been very effective (which I agree with) yet he is remembered for his time as a war prime minister. In contrast, we have had some incredibly effective monarchs and surprisingly few god awful ones. Obviously life could be shit if you were catholic at one time or Protestant in another but in the world today such an issue isn't a problem.

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>>129064474
Here is a quote from one of our greatest fighting men:

"I hate rebels, I hate traitors, I hate tyranny come from where it will. I have seen much of the world, and I have learnt from experience to hate and detest republics. There is nothing but tyranny & oppression, I have never known a good act done by a Republican, it is contrary to his character under the mask of Liberty. He is a tyrant, a many headed monster that devours your happiness and property. Nothing is free from this monster's grasp. A republic has no affection for its subjects. A King may be ill advised and act wrong, a Republic never acts right, for a knot of villains support each other, and together they do what no single person dare attempt."

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>>129062721
Yes. An absolute monarchy would be best.

(((democracy))) is anti traditional and anti European, and its responsible for the degeneracy and social decay of the west. Ever since it's been introduced, the West has been on a slow cultural and moral decline.

An absolute monarch is raised and trained from birth in how to be a strong and good ruler, whereas a politician is only in it for the money for 4-8 years. They don't commit, and they don't see the consequences of their actions past their term limits. A king should work to preserve racial and cultural purity among his nation and prevent degeneracy. Monarchy is that natural state of man.

>>129062721
would america or should america go back to being a colony of england in this case?

>>129065519
What is also interesting is deciding what role advisors/appointed parliament should play as well as how one becomes monarch (hereditary laws and whether it is elective etc).

On a side note, how effective is the Roman Republic's government considered?

>>129062721
there is none among you who deserve the title of King.

>>129065952
I'm not quite sure, because America is a new country that has no real tradition of long periods of monarchy, unlike the old world. Maybe it could have its own monarch descended for George Washington or something. Voting, if there would be any, would be restricted to the landed gentry, and the well educated.

>>129062721
We should put the best and the brightest in our government and only allow the smart educated people of society to vote.

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>>129062721
Yes. But only if they have the power to kick out the Jews and muslims. I really don't like our current king. Maybe he's secretly based, I wouldn't know.

Monarchs were typically wealthiest people in their regions, so no, because I don't want Cuckerberg or Bezos as my overlord

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>>129065519
As a side note, democracy is a system that can easily be bought into (and thus corrupted by) Jews, globalists or corporations that don't have the nations best interests at heart.

Democracy was maybe a nice idea in the 18th century, but it's clear now that it's failed the West and needs to be removed. Monarchies lasted millennia upo millennia for a good reason.

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There's only one form of government that we need to restore.

>>129067869
>implying Jews were ever allowed to be royalty in Europe.

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>>129062721
Absolutely

>>129068359
Nah, just nobility and in charge of the finances lol.

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Yes

>>129067869
A monarch became a monarch due to his bloodline and ancestry. He inherited his wealth. People like zuckerburg would never be able to be a monarch - just because you've made a load of money does not mean you're fit to be a king

>>129067026
did think about Washington blood line but wont happen man if Washington put a crown on his head that would have been great also how do you deal with the degeneration of the dynasty do you do like the Romans and adopt and name your heir

>>129065519
Democracy only works on a local level. You can see examples of this in the US where some small town elects a dog as the mayor and everything continues on just fine because the people in the town all know each other and so on. Plato said you need to have close ties with the people you are voting with (blood, marriage, kinship, ect). There are also so many different forms of voting that can influence an election and how it plays out. I support democracy on the local level, but nothing further.

>>129068182
female dominated monarchy?

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>>129068914
Something like that.

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Thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdUzM7PIvNw

>>129068359
Have to restore those usury laws.

Yes, but get rid of the British one. None are based enough

>>129068777
Nice trips, also, you do have a king - Jesus.

>>129062721
cant really have a monarchy without the religious element. best we could hope for a nationalist dictator

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>>129068854
Yeah, I agree with this. If there was to be any form of democracy, it need to be kept in small, high trust, ethnically homogeneous communities. Democracy is not suited for the national level, however.

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One cannot simply "restore" something like a monarchy, at least not in any meaningful way. Modes of government are more of a reflection of the underlying society. Demuhcracy in its various modern forms is what the west deserves given its decadent antihierarchial status.
If you want to have a meaningful monarchy again you have to restore many more things first.

>>129068854
>I support democracy on the local level, but nothing further.
>You can see examples of this in the US where some small town elects a dog as the mayor

ffs anon you couldn't have used a better example perhaps, a dog being elected as mayor is an example of something you support and that illustrate how democracy works on that level?

>>129070547
There are four pieces of government that a good kingdom relies on and needs.

>church
>king
>nobles
>people

Without one the rest falls apart. Therefore each needs to be given a voice that is proper for its sector.

>>129070184
Yes, and that's why we have to regain His ancestral homeland from the usurpers.

>>129068796
.. and being X's offspring makes you qualified to rule a country? Kay...

>>129071239
To Jerusalem!

>>129070852
The town functions with or without the mayor as the 'head'. That was my point, because the people of the town create the value of it, not the mayor. They could have elected a rock and it wouldn't have changed the outcome of how the town functioned.

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>>129062721
No. We need to devise a new system of government.

>>129062721
Depends. Times today would breed ruthless Monarchs just to fix failed theories of dogshit liberal tolerance.

>>129062721
you don't 'restore' a monaracy. all those lines are dead or polluted. I mingship is won by strength of arms, new kings must rise if you want that.
you'lll regret it though

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>>129072110

>>129063045
This

>>129064598
>>129064474
Go read up on the French revolution and the six coalitions that fought against the recucklicans.

"France is a nation full of "thieves, murderers, oppressors and infidels".

t. Nelson (a hero and killer of French filth). GOD BLESS NELSON!

>>129062721
in the past the people where more loyal to the idea of kingship, rather than to the king itself. You can't just nominate someone king and pretend that people would immediately follow and love him, even if he is capable. A nation have to first embrace the idea of have a king as the "father" of the entire nation before he can accept him as ruler.

>>129070718
>One cannot simply "restore" something like a monarchy
"One simply CAN", the French did it with the Bourbon restoration when they realised being a republic was just failure and cuckoldry. Of course that failed because Louis Vitton was executed. Sad days.

>>129072847
you forgot the "in any meaningful way" part
>the French did it with the Bourbon restoration
>Of course that failed because Louis Vitton was executed. Sad days.
there you go
how's your monarchy doing to protect your country and interests? given the recent news, they don't seem to be doing you much of a favor

>>129062721
Not sure.
I think we need a small group of arbiters around 10) that are periodically elected and have the sufficient merit to retain the position. Not mere politicians. But also not people disconnected from the lower classes. People that mediate between both.
That period needs to be larger than 10 years.

Government services need better communication with each other. The CIA are nearly at war with the FBI nowadays. That's very inefficient.
Government inefficiency is a huge issue.

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>>129072539
never forget Vendee

>>129072539
Our entire aristocracy and the Kings of England for 500 years were French. I mean, we can still hate them, but it seems weird in a thread glorifying our monarchy.

>>129072847
Actually the anti-napoleon coalition forced the return of the monarchy. French people never accepted it and and eventually managed to overthrow the Bourbons, forever

>>129063300
>It's more democracy than what we got now.
The thing about a monarch is that he is only persuade by his own direction.
He has to be a mediator of all society as a matter of function of his position.

Otherwise he loses his head.

i want anarchy in germany

>>129065519
Democracy and monarchy both have flaws.

>>129073522
this

>>129068914
>Ancient minoa
>proceed to sacrifice society for the gods

There's a reason why matriarchy doesn't exist anymore.

>>129063045
Monarchs can be corrupted or the (((media))) can make them seem evil.

>>129062721
Fascist dictatorship is more natural. The strongest man should always lead.

>>129071539
Tbh this looks more like an argument for ancapism than for democracy here.

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>>129071625
Direct democracy through social media and an organizational AI?

>>129073451
This. It's much more easier to fight a drifting monarch than a perverted system in which the majority continues to believe no matter what.

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>>129073213
That's because our monarchy has almost no power anymore. She's just a figurehead. Reinstate absolute monarchy, so it can have the power and incentive it needs to protect and guide the nation.

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>>129073333
Shh.

This is taboo in the French Republic.
Don't try to rewrite History now; will you.

>>129073355
The French shall burn in a pit of fire for eternity and you shall agree with me.
>>129073398
Actually the anti Napoleon coalition raped Napoleon and laughed at his small penis, Austria was desperate to have the Bourbons placed back on the throne of France, no one cares what French people think, they are smelly and smelly French people have NO rights!
>>129073213
The French fucked up, the only reason they had a revolution was to stick a knife in our back (good job with that you pathetic cuckolds). Their parliament fucked up by aiding and abetting criminals in America and what good did that do the monarchy? The downfall of the French monarchy was Louis, Danton and Robspierre and look at what happened to all three. All three ended up under a guillotine. HAH!

French people were a mistake.

t. Allah.

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>>129073522
Barbaric Germany?
What could go wrong..

>>129063045
There hasn't been an actual democracy in a long fucking time.

>>129073877
But how can be sure than another one strong enough would follow? Dictatorship without some form of a succession line often degenerates into oligarchy, like in Ussr and China

>>129073451
In the end it boils down to who controls the people (the narrative) and the army (the gov/judiciary).

In the old days, feodal lords held a lot of power power, but monarchies were stable as they competed with each other.
Monarchy has been the most stable form of government for the last 2000 years in Western history.

That is... until gold and silver were replaced with paper notes that could be manipulated by banks, and in the modern era, entirely produced by them.

>>129074026
indeed, but that was the main essence of my point, that given the state of things in the west, it was basically a natural consequence to have either a complete overthrowing of monarchy or in your case at least a sort of castration in favor of populist/democratic movements
the same happened as Japan westernized, the Emperor is still there but has more of a cerimonial function

and it doesn't look like things are going to get any better in that regard

>>129063045
Exactly this.

>>129073877
Assuming we use fascism in the memetic sense, that's just monarchy without legal claim of legitimacy. Perhaps you find that more candid, but the likely outcome is either regular civil wars (or the power not going to any strong figure but to the administration acting as deep state under the pretense of avoiding civil war).

>>129074670
>mfw Sweden invented the first Fractional Reserve bank

>mfw Sweden and Russia begged the UK for help which led to the signing of the Treaty of Orebo because Napoleon had his little Mexican dick balls deep inside both your junkyard countries holes.

HAH! The pair of you will come begging again, you jam the knife in us and join in with the rest of Europe harming my country and then when they turn against you we are the first ones you run to and beg for help.

We should let you rot this time because you faggots will come knocking on our door for help, just like the Dutch did, the Russians did and everyone else does constantly. Our people have bled enough for you ungrateful fuck cucks.

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>>129074554
Also, each time the dictator dies, there would be a bloody power struggle for a new ruler if no clear successor had been outlined. A nation cannot survive if every time a dictator dies the country edges closer to a civil war. There would have to be some stable outlined succession law.

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>>129074104
The best Polish historian, Paweł Jasienica, wrote the last book of his life about the Vendee war. Very personal, as he was a partisan who fought against both nazis and soviets, it was really important to me so what you're saying makes me sad.

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Yes.

Everything is better under monarchy.
Faith.
Law.
Order.

>>129074275
then we wouldn't have any problems with immigrants.

Monarchies worked great in the past but democracy is the way to go. Personally I believe our system of government works pretty well at stopping idiots in the cities from destroying America. Mass democracy without some control like the electoral college is madness

>>129062721
Absolutely! We will live under the reign of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Jesus the Messiah, for all eternity and it will be utopia

>>129062721
We never got rid of them, we just need to give them back more power

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>>129075670
the Roman tetrarchs model could be a good one: when someone becomes dictator/king, he must nominate a successor who would ascend immediately after him

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Was there ever a time that we were NOT planning on restoring a white, pure blooded, Christian or Pagan backed monarchy? I'm a fucking burger and I'd rather be a colony of Bongland than deal with this Jewish run shit.

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Monarchies don't mean shit when our society is degenerate and cucked as fuck

First we need to eliminate degeneracy, liberalism, jews, modernism, etc.

Then and only then, should we give a fuck about monarchies

>>129074909
Would societal collapse reverse these trends? Or is there no way back?

>>129077134
>>129076806
We need more power given to the Monarch, Cromwell was a mistake, fuck that puritan trash. Also fuck France, they are to blame for a lot of this shit, fucking salad dodging cunts.

Girondists I can understand, but the revolutionaries were the antifa of their day. Rabid left wing dogs that should have been put down permanently.

>>129062721
Yes. But we should all get a new nobility most of the old families are cucked or they did became globalist.

>>129063045
and this

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>>129076359
>to go. Personally I believe our system of government works pretty well at stopping idiots in the cities from destroying America.
Hurr

>>129063045
Fpbp

>>129077765
I vote to put Austria in charge, you're cunning and get away with a lot of shit.

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>>129076025
You read books?
I'm gonna have to stop this conversation right now; especially if you back your claims with sources.

Have a rare Taurus.
Two more and i would make a cross; we don't want that.

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>>129063045
So you're okay with the idea that with the strike of a pen you can lose all of your rights? At least in a democracy you have a chance to fight
>>129063300
I know a guy Steve who i suspect stole my pen on the 3rd grade, if i was the king Steve would be dead now or at the very least drafted and protecting Antartica. Are you sure you wanna give me that much power?
>>129064474
Democracy is the rule of the people and those in power represent the people (usually) Isn't it possible that the culture has shifted? Isn't it possible that the previous generations were brainwashed in colleges and whatnot? For as long as i was in school there was little to no mention of American exceptionalism and lots of American self blaming and American guilt, the constitution and our founding fathers and their ideas were rarely talked about. Don't you think that will mess up with peoples heads somehow? Might that be the cause for the wets submission, to fix some perceived wrongs while ignoring all the good?

>>129074104

We are condemned to live under the (((Freemasons))) rule. France is today the most atheist country in Europe.

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>>129073819
That's why you put a muzzle on the media.

>>129078734
You post that picture without realising that it was an absolute monarch that granted you the tools, money and forces needed to kill those German Hessian's on Christmas day.

The same absolute monarch that bankrupted France and caused a revolution you cuck slut. You should be praising monarchs, sucking their dicks with gratitude. Not prancing around insulting them, slug.

>>129077637
well, I guess it depends on who you ask, but many would say that we have reached a point where a full reverse is just impossible, we're just too far gone for this cycle, it will have to collapse
I don't know, guess this is the case, after WWII the processes already taking place 100 years ago accelerated immensely and spread elsewhere
even east Asia at this point is following that route, they are probably just 50/100 years behind, depending on how they handle the situation, although perhaps their nature will led to a different outcome

Monarchies, specifically a Constitutional Monarchy would probably be the best thing for Europe. Wouldn't work here in the USA, would be really going against our Founding Father's

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>>129078757
What is today; what is tomorrow.

Here is an educative read for everyone:

"The origin of the all-mechanical escapement clock is unknown; the first such devices may have been invented and used in monasteries to toll a bell that called the monks to prayers. The first mechanical clocks to which clear references exist were large, weight-driven machines fitted into towers and known today as turret clocks. These early devices struck only the hours and did not have hands or a dial. The oldest surviving clock in England is that at Salisbury Cathedral, which dates from 1386. A clock erected at Rouen, France, in 1389 is still extant, and one built for Wells Cathedral in England is preserved in the Science Museum in London."

Trinity posting.

>>129079717

Constitutional Monarchy exists in UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Spain.

Fuck ((((((((((Constitutional)))))))))) Monarchy.

>>129080390
Okay, then a monarchy where the citizens own guns in case the monarchs get out of hand. Would that work?

>>129076255
We wouldn't have a state anon.
We'd just have a collapsed Rome.

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>>129062721
Yes and no..
People who think they can just create a monarchy out of thin air are deluded.

Let's say that you're a small tribe. Where are your morals going to come from? Obviously, not from the propaganda machines. Your morals will come from your people, and you will live according to how they live; it's not a cognitive process, but instinctive. You live as a hunter/gatherer, and so your population will fluctuate with the populations around you, the birds, the beasts, etc; this creates a normalcy around sexual repression, because More mouths to feed would turn into famine.

Anyway, so your tribe has an expectation of you to be somebody great... a fisherman.. Ok, not so great... But relative to the normalcy around such a culture, being a fisherman would be a great honour. And your kids likewise become fishermen, and they respect you (and your peers) as elder fisherman, and that's who they build their honour around, trying to be like them.

A band of royals also come about, and a band of blacksmiths, and a band of soldiers; each fitting the need of society. Each specialized niche will become honourable in their own right. Just as the experienced fisherman is to an apprentice, the royal clan is to the rest of society; the royal clan is to represent the society, because they are the honourable center of society.

Now skip to 2017 AD...

Who is the queen? She may merely have only a political role. She has "political honour", but that's like saying "Justin Trudeau, the right honourable prime minister". There's no traditional sense of honour among the current royal family, because they aren't necessary. We have no need to trust them, and they have no need to trust us. Politics and law has absolved us to have a need for morals (like sexual repression, modesty, honesty, etc), honour, dignity, etc.

>>129068026
By bought into you mean investing in your worldview being heard by as many as possible in order to influence them into voting likeminded people? There's nothing stopping you from doing the exact same thing!
>>129068852
Washington would be ashamed if one of his ancestors became a monarch. The guy didn't even want to run a second term!
>>129068854
That's what the states are bro, local level democracy. The federal government was supposed to be there for defense and commerce and some small shit like that.
>>129069871
Heheh "Italy"
>>129074006
That would be interesting, but what happens when the people vote on a whim without having a clear picture of the situation? What checks and balances would a system like that need?
>>129074023
The majority believes one way or another for a reason and usually its not because they thought long and hard, but because someone made a case for x,y,z position. Whats stopping the opposition to make a good case too?
I purpose a very limited and small government like the one we currently have here in the united states and we should further amend the constitution to limit the governments power and at the same time give as much power to the states as practically possible, thus if a state fails the country remains intact and learns from its mistakes.

>>129075400
>Brit recites history. (with small error regarding Napoleon.)
And as you probably guessed from my previous post I know what I'm talking about.

Sweden is doomed by kike-Gov who is mostly in the US, but I chose to go down with the ship.
So please, just toss a few hydrogenbombs our way and do not prolong our suffering.

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Does anyone know of an English translation of Como se Levanta um Estado?
I'd like to know more about monarchism.

>>129078734
>So you're okay with the idea that with the strike of a pen you can lose all of your rights? At least in a democracy you have a chance to fight

Most monarchists want a constitutional monarchy, noone want to go back to feudalism or autocracy, typically imagine what would have happened if Washington became king, chances are that it would not have changed much History.
Also if you think a king is impossible to keep in check you should open an history book.

>>129082488
>but what happens when the people vote on a whim without having a clear picture of the situation?
There wouldn't be voting.
Tay would simply judge on the observation of what people say on social media.

She would hear every argument and opinion.

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>>129062721
>monarchies
There should only be one monarch

>>129078317
If Austria created the EU, things would be different around here. Even today southern Poland loves them, despite them being one of the partitioners who destroyed their country.

>>129063045
The problem with a person being the personification of a nation is, that if that person personifying said nation is a nap, then you have a total idiot leading your country for a lifetime instead of 4-5 years.

>>129062721
Never

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>>129062721
Short answers, in case I was being longwinded:
>Should we restore THE monarchies?
No.. Fucking no.. never..
>Should we restore monarchism
Yes, but complicated..

Monarchy is part of a bigger process which involves a tribe dividing clans between niches (farming, fishing, ruling, guarding, etc). The process creates a sense of honour and morality.

Politics and the legal system absolve people of having any need for honour or morality.

So replacing BRONALD DRUMPFUS with a king is only changing the form of leadership, which affectively changes nothing, except that the ruling elite will be dynastic rather than democratic.

>>129073333

Based Cathelineau is coming again!

>>129062721
Wow bro, you win conservatism. Make it a divine NatSoc monarchy and you will be awarded the title of /pol/ given human form.

>>129083259
>except that the ruling elite will be dynastic rather than democratic.
It already is dynastic.
The only difference is that the normie will be able to see the dynasties.

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>>129062721

Some still exist in Globalist/Elite group structures.

http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6

>>129062721
Yes. Absolutely. 100% on board with this.

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>>129062721
I would support a constitutional or elective monarchy

Democracy is clearly a failed experiment. The United States was created to test the idea of Democracy and you can see where it has brought us. Inefficiency, waste, bureaucracy, greed, hedonism, theft, government sanctioned murder, espionage, all rife under the guise of "freedom" and "self-determination". The entire country is just many collections of thieves competing to be top dog.

>>129083683
>The only difference is that the normie will be able to see the dynasties.
And the fact, that competing family members do not cause civil unrest or countries to split up but simply unrest within parties or between parties.
>It already is dynastic.
Every field of expertize is dynastic to a certain degree. Vitamin B is obvious in all fields of work, look at how many doctor's had a father that was a doctor, how many lawyers had a lawyer as a father or people in TV had a parent in TV.
Obviously having one of your parents in the field gives you an advantage over outsiders, that is something that will never change.
With democracy other than a royal caste system, it is much easier for outsiders to go into the system.

>>129063045
well said

>>129084309
> Inefficiency, waste, bureaucracy, greed, hedonism, theft, government sanctioned murder, espionage
You mean all those things, which obviously occur in monarchies as well, just with the fact that your standard of living has exploded tenfolds over the course of the last few hundred years?

>>129062721
>being cucked by inbred rulers
Yes we should fucking resist monarchies. Not because Kings can be really good, which they obviously can, but because when they aren't it's much harder to replace them.

>>129079199
Tools are useless without the will to use them.
>>129081789
Don't we have guns? We aren't revolting because things aren't out of hand yet. Why would you want a monarchy because it looks pretty?
>>129082056
I disagree, we had politics during the 20th century, why weren't our countries degenerate? I truly believe that people are using democracy as a scapegoat and ignoring the fact that our universities have been pumping out marxists for the past 70 years.
>>129082713
How do you know that you're doomed? What if there's a silent majority?
>>129082876
Not an absolute monarch no, as long as he has the army on his side. Britain is a constitutional monarchy, so what do you want changed exactly?
>>129082991
I don't follow. If there's no voting then who makes the decisions?

>>129064474
It's not the form of leadership which is the problem.. It's the form of society we live in.
Everything we do has a gravitational pull towards the left. If given the chance, another monarchy will just turn into a democratic socialist country.

>>129065519
Essentially why that form of leadership (monarchy) is preferable over the kinds we have now.

>>129065952
No.. No no no.. No old monarchies should ever come back. They are a product of modern thinking and magna carta.

>>129068026
A monarch can be bought too; though it'd be harder for a monarchy to be bought off, but it can (and has) happen. No modern monarch would ever represent their people, not stand for them, follow their morals, or respect them; modern monarchs would have no obligation to help their own people.

>>129083168
There are many ways that could be solved though.

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Truly great advancements only come from individualism.

>>129062721
Yes. Obviously.

Aesthetic as fuck, with national unity, ultimate power to expel all Jews. Win Win

>>129062721
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbni7vjhdS4

It's an option - But many monarchs have made mistakes. (i.e Duke Odo)

>>129085222
The only way a monarchy would be good, is if it were a monarchy like the Netherlands or Britain. A head of state, that is simply there to have symbolic power nothing else. As said in the OP, a personification of state with an actual accountable parliament and chancellor/primeminister/president at the head of the actual government.

My bottom line fellas is that yeah democracy is flowed on so many levels, but it's spirit is worth fighting for. No monarchy ever championed freedom of religion, speech and the right to be left the fuck alone. No monarchy ever talked about the pursuit of happiness and no monarchy ever armed it's citizens just in case it to overthrow it. Under a democracy we're all citizens, under a monarchy we're mere subjects.

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>>129084970
>I disagree, we had politics during the 20th century, why weren't our countries degenerate? I truly believe that people are using democracy as a scapegoat and ignoring the fact that our universities have been pumping out marxists for the past 70 years.
People always mistake the golden-age before the fall for a beacon of greatness.
We always have golden ages, ages where everything is good, then it all goes to nothing.
Something in the 20th century lead up to the problems in the 21st century.

>>129084348
>With democracy other than a royal caste system, it is much easier for outsiders to go into the system.
That's a concern that needs to address.
And where natsoc comes in.

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>>129082763
Pls respond

>>129084970
>If there's no voting then who makes the decisions?
The whole collective.
Tay essentially makes decisions based on all our goals and aesthetic needs. She does not assert her will. Her will is our collective will.

>>129086133
But a dictator is something completely different from a monarchy´and national-socialism at its core is completely anti-monarchical.
There is a reason, that the German Heer went from a military dominated by royal families to a military with common folk at its top.

>>129084667
>that your standard of living has exploded tenfolds over the course of the last few hundred years
First, most of those few hundred years, as well as the period of the biggest jump, was under the benevolent rule of european monarchies (La Belle Époque). Second, you're mistaking the results of a technological (mainly wartime) advancement for the results of democratic governance, which completely disagrees with the history of your own country - a beacon of science and a powerful monarchy. Furthermore, while the average standard of living did increase, the wealth gap between the average citizen and a billionaire plutocrat is higher than the one between a commoner and a monarch of the past monarchies. The monarch was limited with the portion of the country's wealth which was accessible to them, while today you have bankers and others who possess wealth that vastly overshadows some countries, and use them to impact countries worldwide.

>>129085674
Symbolic power is pointless.

>>129086993
> was under the benevolent rule of european monarchies
You mean, were countries like Great Britain (the core of industrial progress) was basically a constitutional monarchy with a parliament gaining more and more power?
Or France, which was a republic at the time?
Or Germany, which saw a huge industrial boom due to its militaric unification at the cost of European peace, which lead to the outbreak of the biggest catastrophe in Europe since the 30 year war?
Or the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which had a horrible standard of living, the same way Russia had a horrible standard of living and only industrialized after the monarch got killed?

>>129086901
>But a dictator is something completely different from a monarchy´and national-socialism at its core is completely anti-monarchical.
It's still a pyramid hierarchy. It functions a little differently.
Right now we have a pyramid hierarchy still. By money.

Natsoc uses money and merit.
Monarchy uses simple dynasty.
Communism uses "people with the best hand shaking ability" :^) and a 1984 structure.

>>129086993
>the wealth gap between the average citizen and a billionaire plutocrat is higher than the one between a commoner and a monarch of the past monarchies
Oh, and I definitely need sources on that.

>>129087892
If we use an AI. We effectively invert that pyramid. Everyone is a cog of one giant machine.
We're one organism, not a pyramid.

Though.. some would say that already happens to a degree on a universal scale. Instead of an AI, we have "god"

>>129085984
Agreed, It's the marxist ideals that happened and also Germany's chimpout that forever gave nationalism and pride in ones country and peoples a bad name.
>>129086360
What's the matter with you Australia? Why can't you be normal?

>>129088428
>Germany's chimpout that forever gave nationalism and pride in ones country and peoples a bad name.
To be honest, nationalism in the US was alive and thriving up until the 90s. You had a civil right movement, but damn you people still were nationalistic as fuck

>>129088428
>What's the matter with you Australia? Why can't you be normal?
Vid related
https://youtu.be/XfR9iY5y94s
Can't you hear, can't you hear that thunder?

>>129088428
>Germany's chimpout that forever gave nationalism and pride in ones country and peoples a bad name
>licking the jewish propaganda dick that hard

>>129088428
>It's the marxist ideals that happened and also Germany's chimpout that forever gave nationalism and pride in ones country and peoples a bad name.
Still disagree..
There's always going to be a leftwing pull.
The nazis thought of some Jews, Japan, and some Africans as "Honorary Aryans", which is a form of compromise. It's like saying "Jews fucked up the country, but let's let a few Jews stay because not all Jews are bad".
"Not all Jews" would become as prevalent as our "Not all Muslims". There's always going to be this leftwing pull. I can guarantee that even the Romans probably had disputes like this.

There's something fundamentally wrong with civilization. We could live for thousands of years in a tribe, or even a small kingdom; but as soon as we civilize ourselves, we become leftwing and get cucked out of existence.

>>129089508
I agree with the jew yank.
You seem to get really spooked and hivemindy Germany.

>>129062721
No, we will new ones into existence.

>>129088732
No we're not. We call our brand of nationalism patriotism so we dodged a bullet there and we still are very patriotic.
>>129089137
10/10 always turn the volume up when it comes on the radio
>>129089508
Yeah because having a world war where millions die because of a "Nationalist German workers party" isn't bad PR for fucking nationalism. Get real dude.
>>129089871
You don't have the luxury of having philosophical arguments in a uncivilized society because you need food on the table. Yeah there's always going to be a left wing pull because the idea of having everything handed to you is a sweet one gotta admit, but you can counter it with culture just like we did somewhat.

>>129090557
>Yeah because having a world war where millions die because of a "Nationalist German workers party" isn't bad PR for fucking nationalism. Get real dude.

That’s exactly what I mean. Everything you know about WW2 is Jewish propaganda you saw on your History television channel.

Only good monarchist is a dead monarchist

Maybe, but I feel like feudalism would create a more free and prosperous society than monarchy. The property owners under feudalism would still have full control of their land/property, but instead of just one person controlling everything, everyone would have the potential to own property.

>>129091064
Doesn't matter. The narrative is that the NSDAP started the war and committed atrocities, re enforced during the postwar by the allies to keep unruly Germany in check and cemented by the creation of the EU which its main goal was to make sure Fritz doesnt smell blood anymore. Propaganda or not, its what gave nationalism a bad name.
>>129091591
Amen brother
>>129092229
Who's stopping you from buying land?

>>129062721
Yes, by the Grace of GOD
>>129063045
>>129065519
>>129068026
>>129072539
Agreed

>>129090557
>You don't have the luxury of having philosophical arguments in a uncivilized society because you need food on the table.
Animals often live abundantly WITH their natural resources, because their biology fits their ecological niche. A lot of tribes around the world are laidback and don't do fuckall until food actually does need to get put on the table.