Is subsidizing green energy a good thing?

>>123898577
>nuclear
>explosion
Opinion disregarded. Nuclear is very clean and very safe.

>>123898649
B-BUT NUCLEAR BOMBS THOUGH

Nuclear, when you build proper plants and storage units, is hundreds of times safer than wind because wind shreds birds on the regular.

Wave is good. Solar is good when you have the capacity (a lot of countries don't get that sunshine). Progress and technology are good, just don't fall for leftist shills of pouring money into non-feasible projects.

>>123898577
>comic made by a person who doesn't have a wind turbine in his backyard

>>123898649
If only it was a nip flag posting this...
Or a Rusky

>>123898577

Where's the thousands of dead birds with wind?

No. Subsidise nuclear power plants instead. Green energy is as unreliable as my dick. Just can't rise to meet the demands.

>>123898649
What do you do with the waste though?

>>123898687
>Chernobyl
>Russia
Are you retarded?

Liberals seem to love the environment but if you point out wind farms disturb animal ecologies they don't give a fuck

Fuck liberals, sociopaths through and through

>>123898577
>Is subsidizing green energy a good thing?

yes, nuclear is green

>>123898577
I used to frequent a blue collar bar on the way home from work.
I'd talk to electricians and city works people.
"Renewable" energy is entirely superfluous. Solar/Wind are not reliable enough to maintain a electric grid, and have little to no impact.

>>123898577
Wow. Really made me think. Because there's no mining at all involved in making wind turbines.

>>123898953

Launch it into the sun

>>123898577
If the argument against Wind was money being burner I'd take that cartoon more seriously, otherwise it's just some tree-humping idiot who's opinion is irrelevant

>>123898649
Fukashima is spilling shit tons of radioactive water into the Pacific as you say that.
Until we learn how to do fusion reactions instead of fission reactions, fuck nuclear.

>>123898577
nuclear is a complete disaster and is on its way out.
Solar/wind suck major ass but they've conned governments into subsidizing and backdoor subsidizing their erection.

Clean coal and bituminous resources should be the #1 priority, in addition to population reduction

>>123898981
not the end end products or the mining or the enrichment

>>123899009
Essentially the only way our power grid stays running through the demand spikes of a person using a microwave or turning on an industrial microwave is giant spinning turbines in coal power plants that have tons of inertial energy that the grid uses up.

We actually provide EXACTLY enough power for everyone to the dot, no more, no less, and the green energy sources suck at doing this because they have unreliable amounts

>>123898953
>What do you do with the waste though?

"Someone else's problem."

> t. every nuclear advocate
> Ever.

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>>123898981
False. It's actually blue. Those damn yanks have lied to us yet again.

DUDE FUSION ENERGY

>>123898577
Who cares it does not matter how much the West adopts green energy and reduces their carbon footprint. We could be in the stone age and fucking China and the rest of the shitty developing countries use the contribute the most pollution and would still kill the planet

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>>123898577
So, your saying nuclear energy doesn't have any down sides?

>>123898953
Feed it to muto's, tame muto's, concquor galaxy with muto's

>>123899361
That's the only reason we are doing it, because China won't listen and leaders like China money too much to punish them

Remove the global establishment

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>>123898577
Fuck (((nuclear power))). Coal and oil are the only safe method of providing power to the masses.

Nobody ever got cancer from coal.

>>123898953
reprocess it, reuse it
or we would, if reprocessing wasn't banned

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>>123898649

>>123898953
bury it like they do now ?

>>123898649
Chernobyl
Harrisburg
Fukoshima
Several of the nuclear plants are getting old which increase the risk and then its the question of the radioactive leftover...

>>123898965
still better than causing climate change which will affect ecosystems and animals much much worse

>>123898577
>We dont need to mine anything anymore since solar panels and wind turbines are made of unicorn farts and magic dust.

Really grows the avocados.

>>123898577
The only energy they should be subsidising is liquid salt reactors, hell they shouldn't be subsidising anything. But liquid salt reactors will be able to render its nuclear waste to lead with no radiation left.

>>123899645
Chernobyl was a bunch of retard monkeys ignoring protocol and fucking around with shit Soviet technology. Even then, the numbers who died from Chernobyl are much less than those who die from Coal every year

tokamak fusion

>>123899497
Except the coal miners who develop black lung

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>>123899497
LOL it mostly went to you guys
And you wanted revenge for Pearl Harbor

>>123899506
>this post
>this flag

>>123898577
>state subsidises solar and wind power
>does it so much so that coal and gas can no longer compete with them
>shut down coal plants
>state now enjoys blackouts while needing to take electricity off its neighbors coal plant
>neighboring state also has the same problem and coal plants can no longer compete aganst the deep pockets of government
>shutting down their plant

Next summer is going to be a shit show. Imagine a whole state without electricity, the amount of factories stopped mid work, hospitals without power, cold storage goods needing to all being dumped. This is what happens when you push the green energy meme hard, you get green energy nice and hard. Great when the sun is shining and wind blowing but we all know that shit isnt forever. Now this state is in crisis, needing federal government oversight and even Elon Musk has heard their cries. Musk never being shy to take a governments money now comes with his shitty batteries promising the world for a sum of our tax payer money.

When you go green with government money its a clusterfuck. When green energy develops to the point that it can compete then sure but until then fuck off. Rising energy costs might be ok for hipsters and hippies to bear but its the poor who bear the brunt of it all. Its the poor who go cold in winter because of it. If anyone has ever been to a third world nation they would know just how important the fight for energy really is.

>A teacher helping in Kenya kept assigning homework to his kids but it kept coming back not done. When asked why the children simply said that they couldnt do it because there was no light at home. When he asked why they dont burn some wood the kids laughed, they said their mothers would kill them if they found out they were burning wood for anything other than cooking.

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>>123898577

Wind power is based becausit's the oldest of all of them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qqifEdqf5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNp2C8IWOKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjww8FBsZk

>>123898577
This is a lie, there are downsides to wind energy. Not only does it kill birds, but the metals that need to be harvested for the turbines require extensive mining operations that are harmful to the environment. It's like coal mining, in a way. You also have to use machinery powered by fossil fuels to get those resources.

>>123898866

Did the old windmills cause dead birds?

>>123898728
>Progress and technology are good
Progress and technology are the cause of all the problems you're trying to fix with progress and technology.

We'd be better off (and more green) if we lived like the Amish.

>>123898957
>Chernobyl
Literal retards being retarded with a terribly designed reactor

>>123898957
There's only been two melt downs, and one happened because of an earthquake typhoon.

>Inb4 three mile island
Three mile island was a fire, no melt down occurred


Also, liquid salt reactors can't melt down, because the fuel is a liquid it will freeze if anything bad happens making it practically harmless

>>123899497
If that pic was real then almost everyone in the yellow zone would be dead

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>>123899888
>wind was first
>not burning wood

The picture you posted is a strawman.

There is a price for wind energy too.
All the energy absorbed by these mills is energy the wind loses on the earth. Places experience drought because rain does not travel as far as it's supposed too. Which has all sorts of consequences for the ecosystem. Not quite like global warming, but of a sorts all the same. Western Mongolia has become a dry, windswept wasteland because of these contraptions and it never makes the news.

>>123899956
More like a testament to USSR efficiency. They simply produced years worth of power in several seconds

>>123899987
The days in that chart are the same measure of day that God used in Genesis, obviously. So give it a few billion more years it hasn't been 10 days yet.

>>123898577
coal oil and nuclear are all natural, how can something from the esrth hurt the earth?

wind turbines are manmade abominations that KILL BIRDS how can you approve of that?

>>123900000

>>123899193
Nuclear is the greatest source of power next to hydroelectric, Wtf are you on about.

>>123899078
Good joke the magnets in windmills are super rare earth

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>>123900000

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>>123898953
Put it deep into the Yucca Mountain as per the original plan

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>>123898577
The extraction and refinement of neodymium is multiple orders of magnitude more destructive to the environment than doing the same with coal. Literally everything within six square miles of the Batou facility in Mongolia, where this shit is refined, died.

Green energy is viable, but it is entirely dependent on geographical locales for maximum effectiveness.
>Iceland uses Geothermal energy because of the landmass being right on top of the Atlantic rift, causing huge amounts of heat energy from the core to be converted into electricity
>Sunny places use solar energy, because they have good access to clear weather. England can't do this because of their 3 days of sunlight per year weather.
>Hydro is viable in New Zealand, Tasmania, and other places with large quantities of fast-flowing rivers and streams.
Green energy is the way to go, but not many places have access to most green sources, and the energy output of these sources isn't good enough to sustain entire cities and countries. Until more efficient methods of harnessing green energy is found, then we'll just have to subsist on nuclear energy for some areas to minimise fallout in the case of an accident, or until we can actively break the laws of the universe to make cold fusion, but good luck with that.

But there's also the problem of mega-jews taking control of the production of electricity and units that create electricity, and are driving prices through the roof. I have a solar water heater, and it costs a fortune to install, but they convince you by saying it'll pay off in the future by feeding the energy the unit produces back into the power grid (you earn some money back by doing this), but it takes far too long to effectively earn that money back, and they'll most likely have a 'major issue' that'll cost you even more to repair or outright replace. There's also the issues of wind turbines killing animals, which is a double edged sword for vegans and pacifists, but they'll still comply anyway as long as it saves earth.

>>123898577

Sure, we should push for renewable energy sources like wind and solar power.
thing is, they rely on wind and sun, which isn't very efficient.

Sun power doesn't work ~50% of the day and wind isn't there too 24/7.

So you have to find a way to store produced energy for times, when no energy can be created.

Like batterys. Batterys are unfortunately not so "green" in production. Same goes for solar cells.

So all in all we should experiment and research on these topics, but we shouldn't abandon our "dirty" power sources, when the "green" alternative isn't fit for use yet.

>>123899668
Neodymium is mandatory for wind energy.Take a look at neodymium mines in China. Is it what libs call green energy ?
And I didn't even talk about the cost of energy. Wind Is 60% more expensive than nuclear.

>>123900314
I'm fairly certain geothermal is as good as both, but it's not something you can build anywhere.

>>123898577
They missed the part where infrasound from turbines causes farmers to commit suicide

>>123900506
cool sources bro

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>>123898577
>Energy producing resources
>A fucking expensive toy that does nothing but kill birds

Why do envirocucks think green energy magically makes enough to feed entire cities?
It does not, meanwhile a gram of plutonium feeds off a country for a year.

>>123898957
Another reason why communism doesn't work.

>>123899942
No. Blade tip speed on new ones exceeds 180 mph

>>123900843
Nuclear is technically green(if you run it correctly) , it's just not renewable.

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Subsidizing energy is fruitless in the long term, and only aids in establishing monopolies.

>>123899807
"Mostly" I wouldn't say that Mr. Roboto

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>>123899888
>>123900000

>>123900981
according to hollywood it's also literally green

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>>123898577
He forgot geothermal

>>123898577
Argument for coal: Muh jobbs
wouldn't want to go hungry right :)

>>123899506
>t. mutant
kys freak

>>123901100
Hearty kek

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>>123898965
See this graph (from the UK). Greens are lying when they say they care about "sustainability" and "externalities". They may anthropomorphise *some* animals (or even plants) and start demanding justice for them, but there will never be any careful thinking-through of how society should work. With conscientiousness that low, everything they come up with will go to hell, as do hippy communes organised along leftist lines, every time.

>>123901100
Jej

>>123899788
Excluding the people who died decades later due to radiation poisoning, and aren't counted.

>>123899147
I have linking to this faggot, but it's the most cohesive vod on fukushima and radioactive water I've seen.Radioactive =/= always dangerous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HOgkzZc4Co

>>123899944
>We'd be better off (and more green) if we lived like the Amish.

Yep

You can keep modern medicine just fine too

>>123898577
>Uses many rare earth metals
>Needs repairs frequently
>Incredibly inefficient
>Produces little power
>Kills hundreds of thousands of birds
>Varying energy output
>Extremely noisy
>Can only be built in certain locations
>Take up large amounts of land
Nuclear is the only realistic option and only idiots would think otherwise.

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>implying wind turbines don't explode too

>>123899109
>refuel the sun
we will never perish

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>>123898649
As a physicist, I approve this.

Only fucking brainlets say " muh nuclear explosion". It's safest and cleanest energy ever created, soon fusion energy which is absolutely clean will replace it.

>>123900124
Tok kek.

>>123898577
wirting my thesis on this as of now. alternative energies decrease electricity prices. over and out

>>123898649
Bet japan would disagree

>>123898577
clear energy = yes
green energy = fuck off, atom is and will be the most sustainable unless a wonder takes place.

>>123900785
http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/asia/baotou-is-the-worlds-biggest-supplier-of-rare-earth-minerals-and-its-hell-on-earth/news-story/371376b9893492cfc77d23744ca12bc5

>>123898577
Deaths per kWh produced nuclear is the absolute best, with even fewer deaths than solar and wind.

Coal is the worst, obviously, but that's the nature-environment-worshipers fault too, because they outlaw coal mining in for example Germany, where the job is done almost exclusively by robots, that, if buried and trapped, are only a financial loss to the company. Instead poor people in South America have to dig it up manually and get killed regularly, not to mention the health aspects of manual coal mining.

>>123899255
fucking hell man

>>123901771
>alternative energies decrease electricity prices
>decrease electricity prices

because the price is hidden within taxes that go into subsidizing?

>>123899193

Clean coal is as real as My Little Pony
Bituminous oil is MORE polluting than coal

Good god, why don't you live in a trashcan?

>>123899888
>No one to protect the windmills once old man dies
That blows.

>>123899787

Liquid salt reactors are about a trillion dollars in research and engineering from becoming real. Who's paying for that?

>>123900000
>corrects dumb trips with blessed quints

>>123899919
plus all kinds of people in ontario who live near them complain about headaches among other things

>>123901964
nah, not every country subsidizes and even if, the price reducing effect is larger

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>>123901644
>That last hug before they died

>>123899147
>natural disaster means nuclear is bad

Nice try bucko

>>123899230
>nuclear waste management jobs dont exist

>>123898577
>Is subsidizing green energy a good thing?
no
subsidizing dams & nuclear with that money would be a lot better.

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>>123898577
uh
doesn't it take like 40 years for a wind turbine to repay its construction costs

>>123902282

>natural disaster without nuclear power station
BAD
>natural disaster with nuclear power station
>TERRIBAD

leafs be leafing yo...

>>123900486
Brilliant! Store it above the water!

>>123902378
No, it doesn't take nearly that long, but they don't pay off immediately.

>>123898577
Green enrgy is good but it doesnt produce nearly enough energy to sustain current consumtion rates
People dont use fossil fuels because they like them but because only them are effective enough to sustain fat americans lavish lifestyle and humongous army

>>123902207
then what are the numbers. how much more profitable is green energy? how can it offer a better price? because it seems counter intuitive that something more efficent is not talking over the world by storm.

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>implying wind turbines are green

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>>123901666
>less deaths than "muh green energy"
>less CO2 emissions than "muh green energy"
>most efficient source of energy (1kg of uranium = 10 tons of coal)

>nuclear energy is bad

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>>123899147

>Fukashima is spilling shit tons of radioactive water into the Pacific as you say that.

That is a 2011/2012 meme.
They have been largely succesful in stoping groundwater from freely flowing into and out of the site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrmhsqjIkrk

>>123899506
kek

I don't get it. We're in an energy crisis, and there's a bunch of land in Africa that nobody is using, has no value and a nuclear explosion wouldn't change that.

So, why not build plants there?

It's like, oh no, a nuclear plant has melted down, some zebras died and a tribe of niggers that nobody knew existed has been wiped off the map!

>>123898953
The same thing we should be doing with illegal immigrants

Dumping it into international waters

>>123898785
Chernobyl was in Ukraine. Russian engineers are some of best in world; it couldn't happen there.

>>123899147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HOgkzZc4Co

Stop your pathetic scaremongering bullshit. Strongly radioactive material are also those with short half-lives.

>>123899147
>allowing private contractors to build nuclear reactors

Its like you're asking for a disaster

>>123899147
How many people died as a direct cause of radiation poisoning?

I will wait.

>>123898577
>Is subsidizing X a good thing?
if it doesn't make economic sense then maybe it's shit

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>not building dams instead

>>123898577
Don't wind turbines kills gorrillions of birds each year? Why do green energy people hate the environment?

>>123898953
>What do you do with the waste though?
Bury it.

Shit fucking nigga, you take it from the mines to begin with, it is a part of fucking nature, just put it back there.

>>123899956
>>>123898577 (OP)
this
it went something like
>do the experiment comrades
>but it's super dangerous politruk
>DO IT
>ok... phew
>Now quadruple it
>are you fucking insane? Our shit will melt to fuck all
>We have to fulfill the nuclear experimentation quota
>No way, we are gonna cause a fucking distaer
>DO IT OR YOUR FAMILIES GO TO GULAG YOU FUCKING CLASS TRAITORS
>Yes politruk
>...
>S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

>>123901666
I love the metric "deaths per terawatt hour", makes it sound like they're sacrificing people for energy.

>>123902812
Even if they didn't it wouldn't fucking matter because water is the best radiation shield we have.

Nuclear is the only way

>>123899645
>Communism
>Have to read up on that
>Built on earthquake ridden nightmare zone
Gee if only we put more funding into nuclear power and not Bill Nye's show we could fix up all those power plants.

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>>123903049

The reactor was designed in St. Petersburg and most operators were ethnic Russians.

Also everyone else has shut their RBMK reactors down, only Russia is still operating 11 of them.

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Think of all the horrific disasters that could have been prevented if we just agreed for the free use of nuclear power.

Think of all the families who were destroyed by windmills related disasters.

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>>123903261
It was like watching a movie. Thanks anon.

>>123903263
Isn't that technically what they are doing

>>123903261
Pretty much, they literally ignored and turned off all the auto-safety features so they could push the reactors to their limits. Cooling water turned to steam and blew the lid. Then the nuclear fuel went up.

COMMUNISM

>>123902893
There's no built up energy infrastructure there, how much net positive energy will you really get when you have to build a massive lossy energy transportation network initially just to make the power plants usable? The total initial input required wouldn't be anywhere worth the reward.
>>123903049
> Russian engineers are some of best in world
lol not really, it also didn't help that they were using meme-tier tech from the 50s.
>>123903093
> What are externalities
Economics is complicated.

>>123901666
based colgate physicist shits on windmills

>>123898649
Fukushima is literally killing the Pacific ocean

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>>123903634

>Think of all the families who were destroyed by windmills related disasters.

Like the 800'000 german households who get their electricity cut off every year because they can't afford their increasingly expensive "green" electricity?

>>123903634
One guy jumped, the other burned to death.

>>123898957
>>123900936
kek

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>>123903825

>Fukushima is literally killing the Pacific ocean

Horseshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y5mMX3t70I

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>>123899147

>>123900941
That could supply 180 horses for an hour

>>123898577
Of course. Not a priority though.

>>123898649
I'm a reactor operator shitposting on pol as I poo after getting home from a night shift.

Anywho, anybody can look up the data and see that:
1) wind power kills more people per unit energy than nuke
2) if the US had continued to build nukes as planned before TMI, thousands of people wouldn't have died from pollution from coal pants.
3) if you give a shit about carbon, point 2 also applies

Keep in mind that wind and solar get massive amounts of government money because they are carbon free, but nuke is dying because nat gas is so damn cheap.

>>123898577
Market distortion especially in the EU where the subsidies are provided for LOCALLY made solar panels when China was already peddling solar panels at a fraction of the price in massive quanities and the real reason why solar panel costs have come crashing down in recent years (though lower in quality), if you're talking about promoting a fast transition to Green energy there is no reason to subsidise inefficient businesses.

>>123898577
> tapping into Earth rotation
> green

kek.

No one's going to spoonfeed you faggots.
Green Energy is the only longsighted efficient energy source.
There are a huge variety of machines that most of you don't even know about, for instance the model of Wind Turbines that are known and have been posted in this thread are hugely outdated, sadly these are also the ones used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im8W4z4og-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZppFiGwJGQ
Ignoring green natural energy resources and machines is only the consequence of brainwash.
The people in power want to keep their money and power, they don't want advancement or change unless they are assured no change in the contents of their wallets.
As always: Nobody will do anything until it is too late. Now go back to defending hurr muh nuclear energy and pretending that caring about OUR environment is something tree huggers and hippies do.

>>123898957
>Are you retarted?
Russians are.

>>123898577
Absolutely. Purely for national security purposes, not environment purposes.
Imaging a nation where every individual can produce it's own power - it stops the "single point of weakness" for having just one power station.
It also preserves resources for rainy days. If government structure collapses, people can still power their shit.

It's by far one of the best things you could do for your nation without considering non-human environmental matters.

>>123903174
Damns can be god damn dangerous. If one breaks near a city, it's over for the said city and the area in general.

>>123901473
No they aren't counted because they russians

WHERE ARE MY LIQUID FLOURIDE THORIUM REACTORS?
goddamn I want thorium power

>>123904485
Probably more important in Australia since energy companies are just plain inefficient so they can milk taxpayers for more money.

The subsidy should be to promote households to feed back into the grid as a big fuck you to the energy companies who are doing nothing to solve the inefficiencies and consumption bottleneck of the network.

>>123903207
>>123903207
>>123903207
>>123903207
Down with islam c

>>123904421
> There are a huge variety of machines that most of you don't even know about, for instance the model of Wind Turbines that are known and have been posted in this thread are hugely outdated
That's a huge argument against subsidization though, since subsidies almost always benefit established players and designs and disincentivize or reduce the need entirely for newer, better, or cheaper alternatives by artificially lowering the price of a product or service.

>>123901666
Can I get a numbers crunch on bird deaths per terawatt-hour please
Yeah I'm gunnin' for you wind power
>>123903812

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>>123901644
CHOOO CHOOO

>>123901666
How the hell do you die from solar panels?

Do you just lie on them until you get toasted to a crisp or something?

>>123904889
Probably external factors related to production, like deaths caused from mining the materials needed to make them, etc.

>>123904889
I dunno, maybe falling off the roof when installing them

>>123898577
>increased energy prices in Germany
Yes
>and made it hard to afford
The overall cost of living is still among the lowest in Europe
Unless you are a poor NEET nothing has changed

>>123898953
fourth generation reactors can reuse the waste produced by the older generations

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>>123902243
That ain't no hug partner

>>123904955
If that was the case deaths related to nuclear would probably be higher in this chart as you have to get your uranium from somewhere

>>123903049

Waste and unsafe designs like reactors used at Fukushima and Chernobyl.

>>123899788
>Chernobyl was a bunch of retard monkeys ignoring protocol and fucking around with shit Soviet technology

Same applies to Fukushima as well, only difference is that it was made shitty American technology instead of shitty Soviet tech.

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>>123905004

Nothing has changed except for the rising energy prices which are makeing Europe increasingly uncompetitive.

>>123898957
>Chernobyl
>Russia
>Are you retarded?

The Ukraine was part of the USSR at the time.

>>123898953
Drop it in niggerland

>>123898577
>i'm entitled to subsidies

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>>123904193
Let's explain some math
Chernoyl was one plant
This>>123904209
had six, the top of the structures of those building contained used fuel rod pools
When the reactors that detonated when the also blew out the used fuel pool intro fragments and aerosolized particles
There are almost 2000 TONS of spent fuel stored at the reactors, all six of the, plus a separate storage pool at ground level. These pools needed circulation all along

However the fuel type is different this was a plutonium mox fuel not uranium, it's meant burn a lot hotter than the soviet workhorse of Chernobyl,

There shear volume makes the incident worse but there's more
The fuel is so Hot it will or rather I think this year just did or was confirmed to melt right through the bed rock

But wait there's more in the early days of the crisis they couldn't use fresh water for access reasons so they used sea water so know all those builds are rotting in place also being destroyed by winger radiation effects meaning the build Will collapse further

>>123905347
So? Let the Chinese slave in Aluminium refineries.

>>123905228
Uranium mining is pretty safe and you don't even need particularly heavy protective personal equipment comparatively speaking to do it.
>>123905402
USSR =/= Russia, Ukraine was not part of Russia at the time.

>>123903268
What about the electromagnetic field from the earth

>>123903800
And you just KNOW niggers will be tapping in that network in order to gain magical powers of cure AIDS or whatever reasons they'll come up with

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>>123902680
That only applies to generators with permanent magnets in the rotor you fucking dumbass.

The company i work for uses double fed induction generator. 0 grams neodynium, all copper and steel.

Pic related, the yearly production of only one of our 54 turbines. Total maximum power output of 350 Mw/h of just our windpark alone.

t.offshore windturbine engineer
AMA wind turbine related.

>>123898957
make kaiju

>>123905687
the real issue with fukashima is the retarded japs having nuclear power plants that close to earthquake hotspots, not that nuclear is some super evil dangerous black-hole tech.

get a grip, the most damaging radiation has a short life period if that wasn't the case eastern Europe would be completely fucked and a whole bunch of chinks would be coughing their lungs out.

It's no more dangerous than sucking out the shit from your mothers arsehole, sure it ain't fun but it wont set of a chain reaction that melts the whole world.

>>123898577
Subsidies are bluepilled af.

Nuclear: Plants shouldn't be subsidized and nuclear waste disposal should be highly regulated and controlled. Companies should be charged fully for waste management. Long term nuclear waste management strategy has to be developed and payed by the companies.

Oil: Government should charge companies fully for cleanup of accidents. Risk insurance mandatory for every oil company.

Coal: Cut subsidies for coal mining.

Renewable: Cut subsidies. Let it compete on the free market.

>>123906007
you realize that sage doesn't work like that, right? you have to put just 'Sage', no other words. fucking idiot

>>123906029
Why use neodymium magnets in the designs at all then? Why not just use copper/steel electromagnet designs, they're probably cheaper too. What's the advantage of a rare earth magnet-based turbine as opposed to an electromagnet one?

>>123903634
>>123901644
>>123900839
Cheap ass shitty VESTAS wind turbines.
They got a fire detection but not fire extinguish system in the nacelle. Waste of money to only install a fire detection system.

>>123906225
in the options field, ya fucking retard. And the message isn't for me.

>Why is the wind giant suing the Caddo County town? Simple: Hinton stands between NextEra and nearly $18 million per year in federal tax subsidies.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447244/wind-turbine-company-sues-small-towns-get-tax-credits

Fuck turbines and fuck anyone who's for them.

>>123906166
one gram of mox fuel can kill a theater of people dude
ther aren't terrortist laws about certain nuclear substances for no reason
the US pacific coast is already about dead

>>123906029
I am wind turbine sensitive. Being within a quarter mile of an active wind turbine is unbearable. How will the next generation of wind farms address this crippling issue?

>>123898577

Wind energy will fuck your shit up. Badly. Subsonic waves that will kill you within years.

>>123901446
>emotional INstability
Really?, conservatives instable, the rest stable? Counterintuitive to me Senpai. Source?

>>123906225
you put sage in options you faggot

>>123899497
>Spicfornia and Libshitcadia get 750 rads
A man can dream...

>>123906029

How do plan on storing electrical energy efficiently and economically?

>>123906029
relax, he is unfamiliar with a exciter generator.
You might still use a tiny bit say for a reed switch or something. seimens always loves stupid backwards shit for no reason.

>>123898577
I drove down a stretch of highway in california

Hundreds of rusted out windmills scattered the countryside, none spinning

that is the end result of wind energy

>>123906356
Generators with permanent magnets can have much more poles, which then in turn allows the generator to run at lower speeds, making it possible to make the turbine run without a gearbox in it. And if you don't have a gearbox installed then it won't break...
Mind you, the gearbox of a +6 Mw/h turbine can easely weigh 60-90 tons .... and that on top of a +100meter high tower.

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>>123905687

Spoken like a scientifically illiterate guy with approximate knowledge of many things.

>When the reactors that detonated when the also blew out the used fuel pool intro fragments and aerosolized particles

That never happened, neither the reactors itself, nor the spent fuel pools ever "detonated". The secondary containment around them did because of leaked hydrogen gas.
You can clearly see the spent fuel pool and the circular reactor well cover of unit three in this picture.
If the reactor detonated, why is the well cap above it still in place then?

>The fuel is so Hot it will or rather I think this year just did or was confirmed to melt right through the bed rock.

Source?
It'd be kinda weird if fuel that hasn't undergone fission in 6 years would be still hot enough to "burn through rock", don't you think?

>But wait there's more in the early days of the crisis they couldn't use fresh water for access reasons so they used sea water so know all those builds are rotting in place also being destroyed by winger radiation effects meaning the build Will collapse further

Sounds like you haven't got the slightest idea of what the Wigner effect actually is. You even spelt it wrong.

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>>123905687

KYS.

>Chernoyl was one plant

Chernobyl had 4 units in operation at the time of accident and two more under construction, unit 5 was 80% complete and was scheduled to go on line in 88. Unit 6 was supposed to be ready in early to mid 90's.

Three reactors in Fukushima were in shutdown during tsunami. Only nuclear fuel unaccounted for is in or under pressure vessels of reactors that melted off. While Fukushima disaster was a major fuckup, it was lesser than Chernobyl by order of magnitude as everything heavy remained in reactor buildings and only lighter elements could escape the containment. In Chernobyl reactor burned while exposed to open air.

>>123905779
>USSR =/= Russia, Ukraine was not part of Russia at the time.

USSR was by all means Russia. Soviet nuclear power program wasn't managed by soviet republics, it was ran by central government in Moscow.

>>123906889
or you know just save some money and use a frequency converter. IGBT's are cheap.

>>123906431
The shadows that the blades cast can reach really far and are very annoying indeed. Turbines should be built in industrial areas or desolate areas where people aren't bothered by them. Or did you mean something else with "turbine sensitive", or are you just trolling?
Also, our turbines have automatic shutdowns if we know that we will cast shadows on office buildings in the late afternoon. Or when the evening falls and we know that bats will leave a nearby cave we will also autoshutdown the turbine for an hour so all the shit that flies doesn't get hit by the blades.

>>123900116
Just like solar panels reflect it's fair amount of energy immediately back into space.
Plants have a better efficiency on conserving energy, but hey are robbed of their sunlight by these man-made panels.

>>123899147
Then build them inland. The Fukushima plant was built close to the shore and required an earthquake, a tsunami, and 40 years of failing to do maintenance to have a disaster.

Where in America is 10 miles inland, not dangerously close to fault lines, and not susceptible to tornadoes? That alone reduces the chances of disaster by several magnitudes. Hire people who'd actually do the maintenance to add another magnitude.

>>123898953
I would make the SJWs/leftards eat all of it, then send them straight into the sun. Two birds with one stone.

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>>123906657
Good question, everyone is waiting for a more efficient way to store energy.
Electric car makers as well.
On a large scale an "energy atoll" might be suitable to store excess produced energy made by wind turbines. This project MIGHT be built on the belgian coast.

>>123906512
it's a double negative, the conservatives are the least unstable

>>123904889
The proccess of actually making them involves some toxic heavy metals so I'd have to guess it has something to do with that

>>123907206
Both double fed generators and permanent rotor magnet generators using converters with IGBT's as wind speeds are CONSTANTLY fluctuating and no pitch system in the world can anticipate fast enough. (altho were building prototypes with lasers on top of the nacelle which measure wind speeds BEFORE they reach the blades so the system can anticipate a bit, but it ain't perfect and you can never run without a converter/IGBTs)

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>>123907386

>Then build them inland. The Fukushima plant was built close to the shore and required an earthquake, a tsunami, and 40 years of failing to do maintenance to have a disaster.

Tsunamis aren't a problem at most nuclear power plant sites. Where they are, the danger needs to be dealt with accordingly.

Onagawa nuclear plant was even closer to the epicenter of the 2011 earthquake and the tsunami that hit it was even taller.
But it survived unharmed simply because it had a much taller tsunami wall than Fukushima Daiichi.

You need countless windmills to supply even a single village https://youtu.be/5UNwjB-k6aI

>>123898953
use that shit nigger
google "breeder reactor"
fucking retarded liberals

>>123903794
>>123903261
Did really enjoy visiting it though, thank you ex soviet russia.

>>123898577
That turbine fan in the rightmost panel looks like it's about to cut that dude in half. They kill.

>>123907626
Considering the costs of the windmills and the storage: When will it be able to really compete with coal? To me it seems to be impossible to do without subsidies.

>>123907626

>Good question, everyone is waiting for a more efficient way to store energy.
Electric car makers as well.

We've been waiting for decades. And you'll be waiting for a long time to come.

>On a large scale an "energy atoll" might be suitable to store excess produced energy made by wind turbines. This project MIGHT be built on the belgian coast.

I hoped you would at least mention the only commercially viable method of storing large amounts of electricity, pumped hydro storage.
Instead you mention a hilarious concept dreamt up by some undergrad students.

>>123907058
>trying to educate burgers on /pol/

Älä välitä

>>123899804
Eh, that's just the working class though. Lefties don't care about them except as a potential numbers boost.

>>123907906

The other Fukushima nuclear powerplant 10km south of disaster site avoided meltdowns because their crews didn't do mistakes despite having similar flooding issues to deal with.

>>123908267
>I hoped you would at least mention the only commercially viable method of storing large amounts of electricity, pumped hydro storage.
Instead you mention a hilarious concept dreamt up by some undergrad students.

Pumping up water with excess energy is what my example is.
I gave an example that is viable where i live, in belgium.
We had some arab prince visiting our offshore windpark and one of his question was "why don't you build on land?".
One simple reason, we don't have any space left for such projects in Belgium. Belgium is pretty much FULL and we got people living everywhere in this country. Good luck finding 50km2 for a single windpark onshore, also,good luck coughing up enough money to buy all that land.

>>123898577

Subsidies mean the government decides which method of energy gathering is effective. Since when can governments see the future or know what technological evolution will bring us?

Let technologies compete I say.

>>123898649
I unironically think the Simpsons are the reason people don't trust Nuclear energy

>>123908039
What?

>>123898957

Soviets were bad at copying things, read the gulag archipelago

>>123907877
Well you could just let your PF shift around and use the bus as your governor.

>>123898577
wind turbines are pretty loud man

we got some pretty close to our cabin and we can hear them when we are out fishing on the lake even though we are several miles away

>>123908080
All forms of energy productions are subsidised in some form at the moment.
The costs are decreasing fast tho. The new DONG energy project, gemini i think it was is very competitive on costs with regular coal and gas power plants. Regular STAG powerplants will always exist tho as the wind ain't blowing hard 24/7.

>>123898577
My father got subsidized solar panels. Basically they produce both hot water and electricity. Subsidy plus energy surplus sold to local grid, in 10 years the investment is paid, then he starts to earn. I don't see why someone wouldn't do it

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>>123909083
horrible rate of return for one. After accounting for all the shitty side expenses and extra work he'll have he could have just invested his shit in a govt. bond(not italian one ofc)

>>123908922
To put power in the grid you got to make sure your output is :
identical frequency as the grid
synchronous frequency as the grid
same voltage as grid

How will you do this without a converter??
You got an example?

>>123906431
>How will the next generation of wind farms address this crippling issue?
Natural selection of population.

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>>123899987
and we will never be that lucky

>hurrdurr fukiushima and chernobyl aren't so bad

look guys, I prefer nuclear energy over green energy until it is actually useful and sustainable but I live in the south of Germany and when we hunt boars or gather mushrooms in the forests we have to have them checked for Caesium and other shit that's STILL THERE.
If the retarded frenchies won't maintain their old ass nuclear reactor near the German border we will be absolutely fucked once something happens

>>123906657
Why? Just cover production with gas turbines during windales days..

>>123909409
Vladimir sure wants to keep selling gas to europe doesn't he.

>>123909296
it was not a big investment, both manual work and upfront costs were heavily subsidized. now the house is almost 100% renewable and he gets some cash each month from the local grid. he didn't do it as an investment, but i can well see a large company doing it. besides, government bonds yield 2% for 10 years so it's not like you're making mad money

>>123898649
FPBP

Transmission, storage and a smart local grids are also part of the equation in revamping energy. That is where Germany failed.

>>123909537
Hans wants the same increasing gas plants share in production and capacity.

>>123907713
So "emotional" is inherently unstable. Can understand but seems forced desu. Ta for tgoughts

Nuclear is one of the safest if not the safest form of power we have.

Three Mile Island was an example of well the safety features work.

>>123909356

Who ever said Fukushima and Chernobly "aren't so bad"?

Why don't you do a little comparison:
Try and compare how many people were and will ever be killed by Chernobyl in the whole of Europe with how many people have been killed by German coal plants alone in the last 30 years.

>>123899147
liquid fluoride thorium reactors would be safe as fuck solve all our energy needs but no one gives a shit about funding research into them because you can't make bombs out of thorium

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>>123898577
Virtue signalling pinwheels are not a viable method of energy production. Not even close.

>>123909297
wow I make a bad joke and you miss it.
Also you usually switch onto a bus with older systems slightly leading the bus frequency as it will slow down by picking up load.
Easy way to do it is with a lightbulb wire between the bus and the generator. When the lightbulb stops blinking and then goes out you close the breaker.
Sorry I was just making a silly joke.

>>123899497
>0.05 USD have been deposited into your account!

>>123898728
problem with wave/tidal power is that they erode super quickly from having water slap up against them every day lad

>>123898577

Yes it is, and it is a much, much better use of my money than building gender neutral bathrooms or all that shit.

>>123908267
>only commercially viable method of storing large amounts of electricity, pumped hydro storage.
Not even close, baby.
https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/11/pump-up-the-storage/

>>123898649
How do you think the cooling process works and do you honestly think it doesn't cause any changes on the environment?

>>123899497

>no body can get cancer from coal.
>being this stupid.

you have to be trolling, please tell us you're just trolling for (you)s

>>123910801

These intimate words tho

>>123898649
Everything is safe

Until it isn't

Murphy's law you uneducated faggot fucking nigger

>>123898957
Ukraine is non-country
t. expert

>>123910824
>throw clean water at the heated reactor
>water evaporate
>spin the turbines
>condense into clouds
It's literally just water.

The heavy water they use inside the reactor is just a normalizing fluid to correct the neutrons' speed to continue the chain reaction. This water is not discarded into the environment.

>>123910411
Heh , i was hoping to learn something new. No worries.

>>123910362
some guy dying in a coal plant and landscapes becoming uninhabitable aren't comparable

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>>123903472
I agree.

Let them fly.

>>123898577

well if nothing else that comic is retarded. When's the last time a nuclear power plant had a meltdown? Outside the Soviet Union?

>>123907974
Actually, the conservatives want to stop nuclear energy. They want to keep fossil fuels going. As far as libs are concerned, it's clean energy.

>>123898866
That's just a myth

>>123910801

That article shows quite beautifully why there will never be a 100% intermittent renewables energy grid.
Thanks for that.

>>123898953
Can't we just bury all the nuclear waste somewhere in the middle of Siberia?
Not like anyone's really living there.
A few acrctic foxes or whatever would get irradiated but who cares, maybe they will mutate into something cool.
Just pay Russia a bit of money in return, I don't think they'd mind.

>>123898577
>Nuclear
>Bad
Sure thing shlomo

wind turbine syndrome is real
http://www.windturbinesyndrome.com/wind-turbine-syndrome/what-is-wind-turbine-syndrome/

>>123899147
Three people got radiation poisoning fro Fukushima and they went into the already flooded power plant without protective boots. It wasnt as bad as you make it out to be.

>>123911296
There was Fukushima but they kept it from exploding.

I'm actually not sure if there was a significant radioactive material release. There's some fuss about ground water but there are still people and animals living in the area with no harmful effects yet.

>what is the Marcellus shale
>what is the Utica shale

Fucking idiots. The US will be supplied with clean and abundant natural gas for the next 200 years. Meme energy is retarded

>>123899604
that's alright until it gets into a water source my dude, it doesn't just stay in one place it sinks

>>123900486
No fuck you I live near there. I don't want radioactive water.

>>123903049
You're one of those "le russians are badass xdd" redditors aren't you?

Wind is legitimately the shittiest. Takes fucking forever to pay itself off so you're just left with turbine graveyards no one wants to fix, and the pollution from making each one is off the charts.

>>123898649
Green energy is a scam. The only perfect energy source is colf dusion.

>>123899812
Australia has enough coal and uranium to last us thousands of years. We should be the world leader on energy. Coal + Nuclear.

Instead, we have a state that is fucked up and instead of just going back to coal, is doubling down on stupidity. I hate the people in charge of this country so fucking much.

>>123905402
Why do people say the Ukraine instead of just Ukraine?

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>>123911757

Deep burial is the preferred method of final disposal, the first repository will open in the early 2020s in Finland. (video related)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9vWhoT_45s

>>123911946
https://futurism.com/a-world-first-fusion-reactor-just-created-its-first-plasma/

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>>123911494
If you reduce energy consumption by 15 times you can meet such goal with hydro and wood.

>>123898649
>>123898953
Thorium mates

>>123911216
well you did in a fashion. You can use lightbulbs to parallel to a bus. I have done it before. And for small fluctuations you can just let the shifting loads induce drag it just wastes energy. I guess my original point it that any governing of speed of the turbine is for mechanical reasons as your switching speed for IGBT's is around 1 MHZ so it's not going to give a crap about input speed. I guess I just do not understand why anyone would ever design a permanent magnet generator on that scale with modern tech. You are just going to have to use a larger reactor and either saturate it or chop the signal so much that you are losing efficiency.

>>123911240
Correct. People actually die in coal plants.

>>123911240
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/23/wildlife-returns-to-radioactive-wasteland-of-chernobyl/

http://www.travelandleisure.com/slideshows/present-day-chernobyl-photos/13

Not so uninhabitable these days.

>>123898577
Subsidizing screwed Ontario's electricity prices as well.

>>123911576
We can't convince the state of Utah to store it in the middle of the desert.

>>123911735
Clean natural gas isn't.

You still have the impurities that make coal so dangerous and it's still more CO2 in the air.

More than that, natural gas is actually harder to store and work with. You can't really see it with you're eyes so it's harder to notice leaks.

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>>123912734
When converted to LNG natural gas can be very efficiently stored. And no its not as """clean""" as solar or wind but it's far cleaner than oil and coal and doesn't carry as bad a stigma so normies are less likely to lose their shit over it

taking someones private property is worse than nuclear explosion IMO

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>>123912734

Is that why natural gas is destroying coal and causing US greenhouse gas emissions to plummet?

>>123902173
There's one currently running in India, I have no clue how much it cost however.

>>123913219

No there isn't.

https://www.iaea.org/PRIS/CountryStatistics/CountryDetails.aspx?current=IN

>>123898649
This.
Anyone who disagrees is a brainlet who's fallen for (((their))) lies on nuclear power

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>>123899109
That doesn't actually sound like a bad idea. If only we had an economic method to mass send trash to it instead of expensive ass shuttles.

>>123898577
>Is subsidizing a good thing?
No.

>>123903073
says the guy who works in a nuclear reactor, the guy shills so much for these potential doomsday factories they could irradiate half the planet and he would not bat an eye.

>>123906512
Conservatives rate LOWER on the INSTABILITY scale you dense motherfucker.

>>123913591

Says the guy that lives in a nation fully dependent on its ability to sell oil and gas.

>>123898577
The best source of energy is nuclear at the moment. The only reason we don't use it, is because coal is really cheap.

>>123898577
>turbines never break
>nuclear breaking nowadays
>blaming BP for the Barak sea

>>123913364
I apologise, I haven't read up on this in awhile, they have functional MSR loops in testing

"Ratan Kumar Sinha, chairman of atomic energy commission of India, stated in 2013, "India is also investigating Molten Salt Reactor technology. We have molten salt loops operational at BARC." I mistook one of his statements wrong when watching videos on it

>>123898953
I wonder if the cost of shipping all the waste into some distant rural region will make Nuclear-energy more expensive then "green"-energy.

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>>123898953
Don't worry about it smoothskin. Dump it in Puerto Rico.

>>123898577
The energy costs go offshore.

Basically even more pollutants because whities don't want to have coal oil and nuclear in their countries so energy gets shipped in from overseas far less efficiently.

>>123913790
ye aaand?
We are not running out of oil any time soon, in fact we have a problem with buyers, there's to much oil in the market so the prices are dropping and we are unable to compete with isis-oil.

But that is not where our energy comes from.
Our energy comes from dams alone, and is ridiculously cheap and but also renewable.

Oil and gas being bad for the environment is stupidly exaggerated, the worst that could possibly go wrong is spilling oil in to the ocean from whence it came, and maybe killing some fish nothing we can't fix with good filters.

sure Co2 as a biproduct could be a concern but nuclear waste products are of a little more concern.

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>>123900586
shhh goy the only countries causing problems are western countries with clean air laws!!!

>>123914713

>Oil and gas being bad for the environment is stupidly exaggerated

t. Statoil

>sure Co2 as a biproduct could be a concern but nuclear waste products are of a little more concern.

Tell me, how many times have we had accidents with high level waste (e.g. spent fuel) from civilian applications?

CO2 is causing global warming, which will cause enourmous land loss along the coasts and huge financial losses in the future.

>>123899497
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

bongs everybody
probably you also think that a nuclear plant can explode and destroy a city dont you?

>>123914990
Tell me how many millimeters the water will rise and how much higher the temperatures will get and i will concider moving and or invest in a better quality house that can better adapt to the climate which already is lethally cold and we would certainly die in a matter of hours without our artificial in-door climate.
just because something changes does not mean it has to be very expensive to work around.
especially if you have centuries to work with.

how viable is compressed air?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9NqqDL6bkk&t=1s

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>>123915564

>just because something changes does not mean it has to be very expensive to work around.

Does this look cheap to you?