Film General Thread

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Anyone else here do any drum scanning on their own? I just got a Tango scanner set up over the last couple months and I'm already thrilled with the results even though I think I have a bit more learning to do.

I'm going to start a thread soon once I have more files edited. Quick question for anyone who wants to see the same shots compared on an Epson vs a drum scanner, what's the best way to do a "fair" comparison of 100% crops when the new scans are twice the resolution? Should I just increase the Epson files to approximately the same size?

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>>3033056
New to film, what film works best with a Ricoh xr-2?

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>>3033062

They all work equally well my man.

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>>3033056
What you all shooting for the weekend?
Ff-70 + gold 200 at 800.

>>3033061
I'm excited to see a few comparisons, I don't know what fair though. The technical stuff is beyond me.

>>3033062
Any 35mm film mate.

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>>3033062
If you're just starting get anything cheap, preferably color as it will be easier to find a lab to develop it for you. Fuji Superia is a good starter film (pic related).

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>>3033061
arent those expensive

I'm still looking for any advice or information my agiflite 70mm camera.

>>3033063
>>3033068
>>3033066

Thanks mates, just bought some cheap Fuji Superia. I'm excited to start this film journey

>>3033072
Ohh is that that damn surveying camera you got?

>>3033066
>What you all shooting for the weekend?
robot+provia
pentax 67+reala (could be portra 160nc, still deciding)
canon demi+rollei 80s

>>3033056
Where can I buy cheap film? Also what is considered cheap film? Even the expired film looks expensive to me (8 bucks each one).

>>3033076
Yeah.

I'm wondering if this 70mm cinema film people are talking about can be used with it. I don't want to pay extra for 70mm film whose extra 10mm is taken up by a sound strip or something.

As far as I can tell from eBay, there isn't any normal photographic 70mm film produced. To be honest, I'm not even sure what length of reel I'd want to cut from stock. I'm assuming like with 620 that I'd need to buy some spools.

What I've read is that these lenses are sharp. They're Zeiss lenses. Only bummer is that they're fixed focus, so I can't just slap them on any camera. Might work jury rigged to the RZ67, although I'm not sure if the RZ67 has an internal door-shutter like the hasselblad 500 series does. I'm also unsure whether it would even let me fire without a lens. Supposedly some folks have used the lenses with LF, though it's unlikely that it would cover 4x5 completely.

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>>3033066
Deving the film in the OP photo since I bought d76 yesterday. I have no idea what's on the Hp5, Arista 400, or Trix @ 800. Those 3 are at least 2+ years old. Should be exciting. The Trix @ 1600 is half from a typhoon and half from a snowstorm.

Since I'm mixing up d76 today I may start shooting some of the Delta 400 I have laying around this weekend. Maybe some newds of the lady or something.

>>3033073
Sweet man, happy shooting!

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>>3033078
Auction sites, Amazon, Craigslist, and brick and mortar stores. I consider film cheap if it's <$4/roll. $8/roll for expired film is way too much. A fresh 5pack of Portra is $6-$7/roll.

>>3033080
Good call on the nudes.

>>3033079
I can't help much besides trying to contact a geology department of a university there may just be an old fucker who used one and knows what's up, I work in an industry with lots of surveyors and I've heard of these cameras but never seen one. I don't think there is 70mm film being sold to consumers. How's the camera function could it take 120/220 film if you modified the spools? Sorry can't help at all. Interesting unit though.

>>3033088
It has a battery. I may have to ask around and see if my friends know anyone into electronics. Batteries get old, lose their ability to charge. This thing comes with an entire apparatus for power/charging the battery. If it doesn't work, an ad-hoc solution will need to be crafted if possible.

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Agfa Scala (the black and white reversal film) is back. Another film returned to the world!

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/59440-Adox-Scala-160-ISO-BW-Reversal-Film-35mm-x-36-exp.

>>3033056
>OPs /fgt/
>doesnt fold his tab under when he finishes a roll
RRREEEEEEEE GET OUT

>>3033061
fpbp. Based Alex.
>Should I just increase the Epson files to approximately the same size?
No, that just makes the shatbed at an even worse disadvantage.
Show them both at native resolution, and then scale the drumscan down to meet the Epson.

In use, nobody is going to scale a shatbed scan up and look at it.

What programs are you using to edit your massive files?
I've always used GIMP, but it consistently shits the bed when working with my larger scans, to the point that I have to save a backup after each editing step if I don't want to go back and redo it after it crashes.

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>>3033111
Yes I do, you can clearly see it on the trix 800 roll.

Any good Mju ii alternatives around $200 or any point and shoot cameras or rangefinders worth getting in that price range?

>>3033118
I remember seeing this photo in a thread about a guy who photographed industrial building around Japan and it was really enjoyable. Do you have anymore more of their photos?

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>>3033129
The original mju is pretty dope and typically runs $50.

If you could do without a built in flash and don't mind some focusing the XA2 is nice. Sold my MJU II because I like the XA2 more (silent shutter, manual film advance, scale focus were all pluses to me). These typically go for <$40.

>>3033131
That was me. Still working on that series! Don't really post my photos permanently anywhere other than Instagram (@mctomch). I have a Flickr and website but haven't updated them in a looonnnngggg time.

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>>3033118
>Yes I do, you can clearly see it on the trix 800 roll.
dude that's clearly folded out, not under.

man i'm in too much of a funk. went outside today and couldn't nail down shots. i see something i like, then doubt myself and don't take the shot. film's permanence of mistakes makes me hesitate too hard.

>>3033155
a bit of alcohol helps to not be an overthinking fuck.

>>3033150
They're fantastic photos!

>>3033159
yeah, i've gotten way too harsh. every time i develop in the dark room and my shots don't come out, i get really mad at myself

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>>3033152
Am I not understanding what you mean by "folded under"? Pic related

>>3033155
Try shooting stuff you've never shot before. Maybe it just feels like you're repeating yourself because you're going through the motions? Just getting out of a 2+ year funk myself.

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>>3033170
>every time i develop in the dark room and my shots don't come out, i get really mad at myself
lol, youre supposed to have fun with this. switch to a point &shoot and develop in a lab. stay away from the darkroom for a while, focus in photo instead of the rituals surrounding it.

>>3033171
nah it's because I'm retarded and shoot film on minimum wage. lately my on-call job hasn't been calling me in, because my supervisor has a personal issue with me. i'm pretty fucked. when money feels tight, every spoiled shot feels heavier. i'm not destitute, only a cheapskate. there's a reason i manage to shoot film on min. wage in the first place.

>>3033175
>shoot new stuff
i have some provia 100f but shit's pricey to develop. i'm lucky to live in the only city where e-6 can be developed this side of the rockies (without going to the states)

>>3033171
yea those tabs are folded outwards, not inwards, which is what i'm assuming the first guy was talking about.

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>>3033170
Do what this guy said >>3033173

>>3033175
Do you have a smartphone? Try shooting with only that for awhile...especially if you have an iPhone. Those cameras are fantastic.

>>3033177
Ahhhhh now I get it. Nobody ever showed me how to shoot 120. Been folding them that way for 10 years ha-ha. Am I retarded?

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What are the best resources for film/photography history?
I wanna research for a story idea, wondering if film/photo technology from the late 1940s would change a lot if it existed in 1900

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>>3033188
>iphone
i do actually have a cracked handmedown iphone 4
pic related

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So scanning 4x5 contact prints in my office scanner means double the loss of detail. Good fuck

>>3033192
This color is pretty tasty

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>>3033200

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>>3033188
>Ahhhhh now I get it. Nobody ever showed me how to shoot 120.

Similar story.
>grew up with no dad
>sat down to piss until highschool
>mercilessly bullied when kids found out
>still prefer to sit down when I'm at home
fml

I developed retro pan 320 in D76 stock for 7.5 minutes and negatives almost turned out clear!

Any advice for the particular combo in the future?

tfw the film general went from being a resource to a support group

>>3033230
Use the recommended fucking developer for the recommended fucking time...

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Hey guys, I've become quite intrigued by this point and shoot camera - the Fuji Natura as it has a 24mm f1.9 lens.

Does anyone here own or have tried this lens and could give me a small review?

Is it worth the +$600?

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anyone here used a chinon cm-5? and concretely the chinon 50mm 1.9 lens?

>>3033261
You can get a good 35mm camera with a good lens for less money.. so not its not worth it .. but it is nice and if 600 didn't matter to you then it would be worth it and you wouldn't be asking.

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>>3033266
There's no other comparable option though. If you want a 35mm with a wide, fast lens lens that fits in your pocket the Natura S is the only choice.

>>3033266
I have a few point and shoot 35mm cams in my collection. But the Natura S interests me a lot, it would take a large digital camera to get the same result the Natura gives in a small package.
At the end of the day, $600 isn't much and if I like it that much then I can sell my other point and shoots to make the money back, or if I don't like it, I could likely sell it for the same if not, not much less.

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Would I get anywhere near the same amount of that "depth" look you get with medium format cameras out of 6x45 as opposed to 6x7 or 6x9?
Tossing up which format to go for.
Technically I'd prefer the extra shots of 6x45 and the smaller bodies, but if that medium format look you get is significantly better in 6x7/6x9 then I might go for that.
Keeping in mind I won't print larger than 30cm on the long side.

I intend to use it mainly for street architecture based photography, so a super shallow DOF isn't entirely necessary in that regard. I just want something that gives more depth that MF is known for.
Pic related was shot on a GS645S, similar to what I shoot and what I'm after.

I have color negative film here that expired 2-3 years ago and was stored at room temperature. Do you think it will still be usable?

>>3033285
Very usuable. Overexpose it like 2/3rds of a stop (which you should be doing with color neg film anyway). I doubt you'll even notice it's expired

>>3033285
>>3033290
read this about overexposing film, it's very helpful
http://terriniphoto.com/?p=6417

>>3033283
fuck i know a shuttermaki shot when i see one

>>3033313
Just came across his stuff today, takes some great photos and is really selling the GS645S on me.
I wonder how many of his night shots are handheld as he uses Portra 800 + the leaf shutter on the fuji.

>>3033316
dang i thought you were the man yourself, i also shoot asian architecture with a 6x45, but with a bronica, not fuji.
i'd imagine for the night shots, he'd have to be using a tripod. he also uses a strong tungsten filter on a lot of his shots, which would act as an nd filter to a small capacity so he'd be overexposing at least a stop.

>>3033316
I think I remember him saying he uses a tripod.

I'm thinking of picking up a GA645 myself. Would be surprised if I haven't bought one by the month's end.

>>3033327
looked at that too but prefer an all manual camera

guess I'll need a better tripod then, though I rarely shoot at night

>>3033283
6x7 is a godly format. get that one instead. also the bigger the sensor, the more natural wide angles look.

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Found a Pentax ME body on a local craigslist type site for 25 Euro.
I know nothing about the worth of camera bodies, is it worth it?
It looks like it was handled with lots of care and is completely clean. I have Pentax K lenses so I could also use it.

>>3033115
Alright, I'll just show a few different options for comparisons. It takes forever to work with these files. I'm getting 1.7gb scans out of 4x5 sheets and my computer needs several minutes to do various actions like saving or even cropping sometimes. Luckily layer adjustments are still quick and responsive.

I'm using photoshop, once the file gets over 2gb (which it does after a layer or two) then you have to save it as a large photoshop document. I'll be needing more hard drives soon...

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>>3033283
>similar to what I shoot and what I'm after.
A Fuji GX680III would suit you well, if you don't mind carrying 4kgs / 8,5lb of camera. It's 6x8, giving the same aspect ratio as 645. Also:

>revolving back
>1/3-stop aperture increments
>MOVEMENTS

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Missed out by a couple hours on pic related for $25, figured I'd just find another on gumtree/ebay. Nope, can't find any used and the cheapest new ones are around $200. Why the fuck are copy stands so expensive?

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>>3033395
nice meme.

>>3033407
I snagged a used one for $60 but everything else I seen was too expensive to justify, are you using it to dslr scan.

>>3033407
>>3033419
i wanna make myself a rig for dslr cuck scan. what are you guys using for holding the negs? i wouldnt use a normal neg holder because i need to be able to be moving the frames without moving any element of the rig, just the film.. because focus is too damn critical. will be using a led panel as light source, but these emit a certain amount of heat.. how to tame it?

>>3033416
Say what you want, it's perfect for architecture and landscapes.

I own a Pentax P30, but the film advance lever keeps getting loose after about a roll of film.

I was thinking of using some superglue that I have lying around so I can secure it once and for all.

Here are some pics:

http://imgur.com/a/UWDlh

Is it worth trying or I'll end up screwing up my camera? Any other alternatives?

Also, is there any cheaper alternative to the Portra? I have to pay for 12 euros/roll, anything cheaper with comparable image quality?

>>3033431
Can you tighten down the bit at the very top with the two notches out? Or is whatever retains the bits missing? If you can just tighten it down then do that, glue will probably be fine provided you make 100% sure not a single drop falls into the actual mechanism.

>>3033431
>anything cheaper with comparable image quality?

>120 - Fuji Pro 400H
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-rolls-FUJI-Pro-400H-120-Color-Film-Medium-Format-/112157010145?hash=item1a1d1428e1:g:u88AAOSw5dNWkzsp

>35mm Kodak Portra 400
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-rolls-KODAK-PORTRA-400-35mm-Professional-Color-Film-135-36-FREESHIP-/121885366953?hash=item1c60ef1aa9:g:mNAAAOSw6EhUQ1Ys

films-festival is great. Bought loads of film from them over the years.

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I'm trying to get into film but there is one thing I do not really understand.
What is the difference between slide and print? 135 specifically.

I bought lots of random film for about 50 bucks to test stuff out, how do I know which is slide and which is print? Does one of them cost more to get developed?
Hope someone can help me out because I'm too stupid to find a clear answer by looking it up on google.

>>3033482
Print film will turn into negatives when developed, slide film will turn into positives. Slide film is used far less than print film today, partly due to how comparatively difficult/expensive it is to develop.

It should say on the canister or box somewhere what process it is. If it's recent look for "E6" for slide film, and "C41" for print (for colour).

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Tried 21mm today. hp5+ D76

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>>3033421
As long as you have a level and you use a light panel and a negative carrier you should be able to move everything and not have to worry about focus. I use a copy stand and make sure everything is level, then I have my negatives in a carrier (the carrier raises the negatives about an inch or two off the light panel) and I move the whole light panel to take the 2-4 pictures for 35mm or the 8 for 6x6. As long as everything is level and you don't bump anything focus shouldn't change even if you move the light panel/ negatives. Just my .02c

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i developed some rolls of tri-x at home in rodinal and fixed with TF-5, ans some of them had this weird kind of pattern on parts of them, any ideas as to what caused it?

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>>3033580
ive never seen that before

>>3033580
rinsed it with water afterwards?

>>3033580
Emulsion shrinkage? That's some crazy shit...what were your temperatures like for each chemical bath + rinse?

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>>3033580
Looks like reticulation probably. It happens if you shock the film with a big temperature change, like maybe your developer was really warm and then you rinsed it with ice cold water or something like that?

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>>3033385
If it's in good nick it's an excellent camera and definitely worth 25 units of most currencies.
One of the best viewfinders of any camera ever.
Take two LR44 batteries with you so you can test it.

>>3033421
>what are you guys using for holding the negs
The best thing to use is nothing.
I'm the best scanner on here, and I just use two pieces of tape on a pane of window glass, and then a little flap of cardboard secured with more tape to hold down ne side of the film and enable to you align the film as you draw a new frame through.
It is written in the scriptures, brother.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/panoscans.htm

>I beseech thee faithful to make thine own negative holder with two pieces of glass sandwiched together
>yea verily, make a channel with strips of black electrical tape to run along both sides of thy film
>thou canst lay thy film in this channel and the tape will keep the glass perfectly spaced

>>3033580
Dummy, that is film maggots.
Slavic types get them usually, because they are filthy subhumans with no hygiene.
To cure, was your body every day, and keep flies away from your film.

>>3033580
It's from a large change in tempature while developing, you can look it up I forget what it's called though.

>>3033603
I was going to say it looks like they look like protozoans. Y'all film got the malaria.

>>3033101
it's literally just silvermax though

>>3033391
Do you use a beast rig of a computer or what?
I've got an i7 laptop with 16gb ram and ssd's, the only time it's balls-achingly slow is when I'm performing things like batch sharpening on 24mp files.
But then I'd presume you maintain a 16bit TIFF workflow from start to finish?

How many rolls of film do you usually shoot per month/year? I recently got into photography and started with film. Took my second roll to the lab the other day, the first one a little over 2 weeks before that and the guy at the lab said that was a lot.

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>>3033625
5-10 rolls a month.

Is the 45mm GS645W too wide for pictures of people? I'm going on a trip and I want the a 6x4.5 rangefinder for quick shots, and then maybe I'll bring my 35mm with a normal lens. Now I'm wondering if I should do the reverse, and bring wide lens for the 35mm and get a 75mm GS645. I'm looking for whichever is most versatile, because I'll be limited on space and 2 cameras is already a lot.

Also am wondering about how to bring film with me on the plane. I'm sure it has been asked a thousand times before, whether the X-ray machines expose film.

>>3033663
>whether the X-ray machines expose film.
Been wondering that as well, especially since I noticed this little symbol advising you to keep the roll away from ionizing radiation, on the Tmax box.
But I also seem to remember that we used to take pictures on family holidays when I was little, even when we flew there. But then again, that's 15-20 years ago, so I have no idea how reliable my memory is.

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>>3033663
If you're wanting to shoot portraits check the minimum focusing distances. I have a feeling the 75mm can't focus too close.

>>3033678
Film is fine in carry-on. It gets fucked in checked bags. Pic rated Portra 160VC

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>>3033663
The 45mm isn't a rangefinder, it's only scale focus on the lense.
The 75mm is a folder, so it's actually smaller and lighter to carry around than a 35mm slr.
However, the bellows ALL leak light. You will not be able to buy an unholed one on eboi.
This is an immutable fact of the universe, do not test me.
If you buy one, be prepared to replace the bellows with paper ones, and then tape over them.
>>3033680
>I have a feeling the 75mm can't focus too close.
This close.

>>3033625
5 or so rolls a month, developed at home and bulk rolled so it doesn't cost much at all. Some days I shoot 2 or 3 rolls, some times it takes me a few weeks to finish just 1 roll.

I've found I really enjoy 24 exposure rolls since I can shoot them faster and develop them sooner

>>3033688
Sorry, I'm one of those retards who says "rangefinder" when I mean "compact, plastic non-interchangeable lens camera".

>light leaks

I saw one on the LF forum and it was mint for 375$. Still had the protective plastic on the bottom. Ugh.

What I'm trying to ask is if the 45mm 645 series fuji camera will be too wide to take pictures of people without distortion. I'm used to using a Hasselblad with 80mm, and like with any other normal lens, it seems to handle both portraits and landscapes okay.

Obviously the ideal would be to have one for each, but then I'd be packing an interchangeable lens camera with extra bulk. I'm not bringing the RZ67 backpacking because of weight/bulk, and the Hasselblad 500C is too expensive to replace.

It would feel ridiculous to purchase two GS645's of different focal lengths, and bring both. Not to mention that would end up being quite expensive, and something which I am too cheap to do.

>>3033419
>are you using it to dslr scan.
Yeah that was the plan, but I might have to rig my own device now unless I can get lucky and find another sweet deal

>>3033694
To rephrase with less words: I'm just looking for a compact MF camera with a non-square shot size (6x7, 6x4.5, etc.) that will allow me to get okay pictures of buildings, people; generic city scenery and mountain landscapes alike. Ideally under 500$.

>>3033694
>It would feel ridiculous to purchase two GS645's of different focal lengths, and bring both
This is the only solution that makes sense.
Consistency of format, same handling, same film type.
I took a GW and GSW 690 on my last overseas holday.

>>3033698
Just take a 35mm camera and be done with it.

>>3033699
Doesn't that defeat the point of these cameras?

>>3033701
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm leaning after this discussion.

I don't have the same stockpile in 35mm film, though. I've got mountains of 120, expired and fresh. Part of my rationale for taking an MF compact was that it would share film with the DaYi 617 I'd be taking. I was hoping to compensate for its bulk by only taking one other tiny camera.

My 35mm equipment ain't great, either. Just a Nikon FE with some meh-tier 80's nikon lenses.

>>3033702
The good part of 35mm is that everything about it is pretty cheap. You could pick up some nice primes for your Nikon pretty cheaply

>>3033706
Any reccomendations? I went on hiatus photography wise for almost 3 years because depression (thanks, depression). I have no idea what makes a good prime.

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>>3033702
Buy the gs645 wide and supplement it with a fixed lens 35mm point and shit.

You're already taking a 617 too though? Too many cameras breh.

>>3033712
> too many cameras.

I know man, I know. It's my first trip on my own in my adult life, and I'm planning on using my Spanish to get me out into the more Quechua parts of the Peruvian sierra. Want to take pictures of the mountains and valleys in panorama, since it's not like I can just go anytime. Got the 617 quite recently and think it's a great way to break the thing in.

Maybe I'll break down and just get a micro 4/3rds.

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>>3033713
Speaking from long-term travel experience, the more cameras/lenses/gear the more frustrating traveling becomes. Always feeling like you brought the wrong lens/camera, always changing lenses because you never seen to have the right one attached, plus carrying all that shit sucks.

If I were you, I'd leave the 617 at home. That way you can leave the tripod at home too. Buy the 645w and take a 35mm fixed lens point and shoot. Assuming you have a decent smartphone, that can be your digital/backup.

>>3033519
Is that straight out of the scanner? you should adjust the histogram in the scanner software and add contrast with whatever software you have.

>>3033580
It's called reticulation, It's caused when you wash the film with cold water, I actually like the effect for that pic but its probably not fun when it does it to your whole roll!

>>3033717
ive washed my film several times with water directly from the tap, no reticulation whatsoever.

>>3033066
ricoh gr21 and natura.
going to shoot around kabukicho at night

>>3033721
Same, that guy probably lives in new jersey or siberia

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Shit I just washed 3 rolls using cold as fuck tap water..surely less than 10C. Hope my rolls don't get fucked.

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>>3033716
Guess I uploaded the wrong version, but it's still a little underexposed and mushy.

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Hey there guys I'm kinda new to the whole shooting film thing and I wanted to ask a few questions.

1.) what's the cheapest scanner I could get that wouldn't mess with the photos? (I shoot polaroid land camera see pic related)

2.) what are the advantages 35mm has over polaroid?

3.) aside from 35mm film what other kinds are there, more specifically are there any other kinds of instant film cameras aside from Fuji and polaroid?

sorry for the shitty pictures quality and thanks for reading desu

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>>3033680
That's a great photo anon. The lighting looks cinematic.

thoughts on the KOWA Six?

>>3033763
1. Use the Google PhotoScan app for your smartphone to scan instant photos. Does a really good job since it combines 4 or 5 photos into a high quality scan.

2. 35mm is a very different format to Instant photos. It's like saying "what are the advantages of a burger compared to an apple?" You could probably compare the two, but they were made for different purposes. Off the top of my head, 35mm has a higher dynamic range, cheaper, more variety and is accepted by a lot of cameras.

3. Other formats of film include: Minox micro film, 110 format, APS format, Disc film, 120 format (6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x8, 6x9 and 6x17 cameras all use 120 or 220 format film) and then there's sheet film which comes in 2x3, 4x5, 8x10, 11x16 and 16x20 sizes.

In terms of instant film, there used to be a lot of variety but now there's hardly none. FP3000b and FP100c is pretty much all you can get for your type of camera.

There's also Instax film but that's for a different (and much worse) format of camera entirely

>>3033795
Thanks anon! I'll be sure to get that app right away!

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>>3033764
Thanks anon.

Got a roll back from my trip to Korea today.

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So, I got myself a cheap film digitizer from Lidl for €30. Right now, I only have access to my laptop with Linux and there is no Linux software for this scanner. But I will post some scans tonight when I'm on PC again.
I hope that thing doesn't turn out to be total crap. Anyone have any experience with this thing?
https://www.lidl.de/de/silvercrest-negativ-digitalisierer-snd-3600-c2/p240746

>>3033876
These are really quite bad. But you only paid 30 euros for it so lesson learned I guess.

It's more like a little digital camera in a box than a scanner, but the results might be enough for your needs. Scan to raw format with Vuescan and use Photoshop to post-process / invert them. That'd be your best bet, the included software *will* be garbage

>>3033715
>leave the 617 at home
I was so keen on the 617, It's not /that/ huge in terms of bulk. It's manageable. Not very heavy either. I bought it from a guy who took it climbing, and I figured it would be ideal for the Andes. Best opportunity to produce photos of at least marginal value.

if I'm just learning the basics of composition and exposure, does it REALLY matter what kind of film I choose?

I read that it's best to be consistent and shoot one kind of film for a while to learn how to use it, rather than fuck around with too many different kinds.

to that end I was thinking of buying 10 rolls of each B/W and colour neg.

for B/W I plan to get Fuji Acros 100, but I can't decide which colour neg to buy.

should I splurge on Fuji Pro 400h or just get Superia X-tra 400?

>>3033942
it really matters if you want to create a coherent body of work, with a distinctive look and feel.

you should buy one roll of each and try it. to see how it reacts to highlights and shadows, to scan, to post processing, how does it look printed. do the whole process. then buy a lot of the one that you liked the most.

now, between 400h and superia xtra theres quite a leap. 400h no contest.

>>3033946
okay thanks, that's a different approach altogether. I do love trying different films

I keep reading here about how good 400h is so I just gotta try it

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>>3033948
its a pretty nice emulsion.

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PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
If you live in the us this is the cheapest c41 kit I've found, they also have the 2 liter kit for $30, don't get cucked by the other stores out there!

https://filmphotographyproject.com/store/fpp-c-41-development-kit-1-liter-kit

some places have the audacity to charge over 30 just for the 1 liter kit, enjoy your new wallets :)

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Should I buy a used FM10, or is that stupid?

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>>3033972
Anyone know cheapest in EU?

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>>3034015
If you're looking for a plastic-fantastic reliable Cosina clone capable of mounting nikkor glasses, maybe
if you're looking just for a Cosina clone, grab another one, preferably K-mount

>>3034015
The FM10 is a Cosina piece of shit made to trick people who signed up to take a photo 101 class and don't know any better. Literally any real Nikon film SLR would be a million times better and also cheaper.

>>3034025
>>3034029

I'm just looking for a film camera to a reasonable price and quality.
I looked at the Ricoh xr-2 camera one posted here, but that was 10 bucks, so got scared that it might be shit.

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>>3034029
not any SLR, I would take a FM-10 over an EM or any early AF camera from the F401 to the F90x

>>3034030
Just get a pentax k1000, amazing camera, it's cheap because it is an awesome camera that sold millions, they made them for decades.

>>3034030
go for that. i have a cosina clone that have lasted me about 15 years, but if i would go right now for an used, cheap slr i'll go Minolta.

>>3034030
Just pick literally any Nikon SLR that is actually manufactured by Nikon. The FM10 is made by another company. If you want manual focus then look at the FE, FE2, FA, FM, FM2, FM2n, FG, F3.

Pentax and Olympus and Minolta would probably be good options too. They should be cheaper than Nikon but still common so it'll be easy to find lenses and stuff. Canon SLRs tend to sell for more than they should just because people recognize the brand name, but Canons from before the autofocus era aren't really that great.

>>3034034
>>3034037
>>3034035

The Pentax K1000 looks nice, what price range should I look for?
Found this for example http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENTAX-K1000-W-PENTAX-A-50MM-LENS-FLASH-35MM-MANUAL-SLR-CAMERA-TESTED-MINT-/112323379469?hash=item1a26fec10d:g:EtkAAOSw32lYukjQ

>>3034062
there's no reason you should ever have to pay more than 100
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pentax-K1000-35mm-Camera-nice-shape-/162409822202?hash=item25d06137fa:g:2f0AAOSwTuJYsjY8

Try bidding on this, also check craigslist

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>>3033876
I just tried this thing out, and holy fuck this thing is bad. It also supports scanning to TIFF, but that just leads to a 60 MB file that is just as noisy as the JPG.

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>>3034070

>>3034070
>>3034071
lmaoooooo why didnt you ask us first?

ask your money back. thats a ripoff.

>>3034065
I found one for 90, it was in the EU also so less shipping cost. Lets see how it goes.

>>3034062
Fuck ebay just buy it from KEH.

https://www.keh.com/shop/k1000.html
https://www.keh.com/shop/pentax-me-super-se-chrome-black-leather-35mm-camera-body-677074.html
https://www.keh.com/shop/nikon-fe-chrome-35mm-camera-body.html
https://www.keh.com/shop/nikon-fm-black-35mm-camera-body.html
https://www.keh.com/shop/nikon-fa-black-35mm-camera-body.html
https://www.keh.com/shop/minolta-srt-201-black-35mm-camera-body-677694.html
https://www.keh.com/shop/olympus-om2n-black-without-shoe-4-35mm-camera-body.html
https://www.keh.com/shop/olympus-om1-md-chrome-without-shoe-35mm-camera-body.html
https://www.keh.com/shop/olympus-om1n-chrome-without-shoe-4-35mm-camera-body.html

>>3034070
>>3034071
That's a shame :C look around craigslist and ebay for an epson v500, you can get one for around $50 if you look around

>>3034088
Not bad! What lenses does it come with?

>>3034093
A 50mm f/2,0

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>>3034073
Yeah, definitely gonna return it. The quality is fucking ridiculous, especially in the dark parts.

>>3034094
A classic, that's a wonderful lens :)

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>tfw you load provia in september and you still havent finished it because of terrible winter light
I'm never loading anything slower than 400 in fall again.

anyone know much about lens adapters with rangefinders? I bought an m39 to M mount adapter for a 35mm lens. It continues focusing so far past infinity that basically half of the rangefinder patch goes back out of alignment. This seemed normal to me from forum posts online, but they mostly said that this happened with cheap Chinese adapters.
I went back to the store and told them it would be annoying as shit to try and shoot this lens with only like 3/4 of its focus scale available -- and the guy behind the counter started talking about moisture in the air acting like another lens element and how normal it is to have lenses focus "significantly past infinity" and saying that the adapter was fine.

I still have the adapter since they couldn't accept the return for some reason. Is this the best it'll get? Or should these adapters be able to line up with the new rangefinder?

>>3034104
What lens is it? I know some of the Soviet era M39 lenses have dodgy rangefinder coupling due to the spotty QC

>>3033066
Beginner here, why would you underexpose it so much?

>>3034112
What he's doing is called pushing the film, you expose at a different iso than the film is rated, in this case 800, then you modify your dev time changing the effective speed of the film

>>3034111
It's a Voigtlander Color Skopar f2.5. The lens itself is fine, it focuses perfectly on the Bessa I bought it for. Some people said lenses wider than 50mm just have this issue when adapted so maybe it'll be okay with my Jupiter 8 once I find that adapter but I don't know for sure.

Just a little frustrated cause I found a very good deal on a film M body and I'm still too broke for M glass

>>3034116
Yeah thats a shit one. Maybe try get a another cheap one from China off eBay? I've used them before and they seemed to work fine on Bessa bodies

I'm actually in a similar situation. Got a good deal on an early Leica M3 but the only M mount lens I have is the Elmar 50mm 2.8, which isn't exactly held in high regard

>>3033763
I can answer your first question.
1. I use a Canon CanoScan 9000F Mark II. It costs about $150.

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Pastry from a local French Bakery.
Ilford Delta 100
Souped in HC110

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Can someone recommend me a good scanner for under $200? I'm mostly using 35mm but am interested in trying 120 eventually. Would I need a different scanner for 120?

>>3034115
>then you modify your dev time changing the effective speed of the film

No. No, you don't. You overdevelop an underexposed negative to make the negative image "thicker" to be able to salvage/print an underexposed shot. There will be no shadow detail. Your film's native iso doesn't magically change. You only make the underexposed latent image grow more in the developer, increase the developed grain size so the thin shitty image looks darker.

Nowadays you could just develop it normally and boost the contrast digially, in post, for the same effect. Buncha fucking parrot retards repeating the same misunderstood misquoted mangled piece of ancient outdated information over and over, like a particularily awkard STD.

Sure, "pushing" film gets you contrasty, grainy gritty images, it's a technique yielding a subjective aesthetic that has its uses, but for fuck's sake, YOU DON'T MAGIC OUT EXTRA FILM SPEED BY STEWING IT IN DEVELOPER LONGER. Cut this bullshit already. Some of us like shadow detail. You can always bin it in post anyway, dodge an' burn an' shit. Yeeesh.

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Fuji Natura

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>>3034169
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>>3034165
Canon CanoScan 9000F Mark II
It can do both 35mm and medium format film.
Look at >>3034160 for a 35mm scan of mine.

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>>3034170
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>>3034112
>>3034115
>>3034167
Haha this again. I'm underexposing the film two stops because it allows for me to shoot most day light situations without the camera wanting flash. This causes there to be a less apparent image on the films emulsion so as kurwa says you essentially over develop the underexposed film to give you a working negative. This gives your film more contrast (darkest darks have no detail because nothing was imprinted on the emulsion cause we underexposed the film) also some other stuff can happen when films pushed depending on the emulsion. kurwa is right though the speed of the film stays the same.

>>3034171
Thank you!

>>3033263
Absolutely fine camera if it is in good condition.
Most cameras are absolutely fine if they are in good condition and have a manual mode pretty much.

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>>3034103
Does winter = cloudy where you live or something? Winter light is the best for slide. im not looking forward to the harsh summer light that will cause me to seriously slow down on my e6 shooting.

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just won a camera off ebay :^)

sniping in auctions on sunday afternoon is comfy af.

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This lad sold this picture for 400USD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUoxDb-8_Ng

Are you guys selling your stuff? Or are we not far enough back in time

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>>3034033
Confirmed for never having shot the EM.
They are truly excellent cameras and a joy to use. I have and use 2 of them. Pic related.
Their metering system is the same as that found in FE's and FM3A's, that the based god Kenneth devotes whole passages of scripture to.
He spake thus:
>The EM makes perfectly timed, automatically exposed time-exposures out to at least a few minutes.
>With the F100 you need to use an external meter or calculate in your head to determine the correct time to expose the hard way.
>I've tried this, and the EM is far better than my F100 for night photography.
>You can set the EM to a nice aperture like f/8, set the self timer, and walk away while the EM does a great job.
>The EM also has a virtual mirror lock-up (like a professional camera), unlike the F100 which does not.
>The EM also has a metal back and metal rewind fork, unlike the amateur plastic rewind fork fiasco of the F100.

>http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/time.htm

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>>3034204
What'd ya get?

>>3034206
I've done a few print sales when I needed the extra cash. Made about $1,000 profit each time (prints priced at $100 a piece).

Not great, but it helped pay for my trips.

>>3034167
My bad, I should have phrased what I said differently

>>3034209
Do you print them yourself?

>>3034209
oly pen D3. seems to be jammed, but ive taken apart multiple pens, they are easy to repair.

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>>3034220
No, have a lab print of Fuji crystal archive paper. Runs about $15/print. I'd do print runs of 12 which is $1200 total. Print cost of $180 total brings my total profit to $1020. I'd need to ship a few of them which would net me out at or just below $1000.

>>3034221
Hope you can fix it!

Any of you guys wanna buy some fresh Ektar (2 pro-packs) and Tmax (1 Propack) in 120? Not going to shoot the stuff. $70 shipped for all 3.

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>>3034232
Wow nice shot.
Mind sharing some insight in selling prints. Is it just instagram or how you go about it.

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>>3034246
>>3034232
Yeah, seconding this.

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>>3034246
>>3034250

Yeah IG and Facebook. Not going to lie, about half of the prints I sold each time were to friends. The rest were fine through Instagram and a forum I used to post on. I've only done this 3-4 times. Not the best person to ask really. There are other posters on here that actually make a good chunk of their income selling prints. hopefully they chime in.

>>3034260
IG? How many followers do you have? Or do you advertise?

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>>3034295
~400 followers, no advertising.

>>3034173
I can smell the car exhaust coming off your photos. Nicely done.

One of the first film photographs I took back in high school. Many things wrong with it. I know.
Ilford HP5 souped in HC110.

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>>3034381
Whoops. Forgot to attach the photo.

>>3034310
What I meant is, "Did you advertise to people that you were selling prints on IG, or did they independently and privately request them via IG?"

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>>3034388
Ah, sorry. Yeah I'd advertise I was making prints. I've had maybe a dozen or so random messages asking for prints over the past 3-4 years.

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One of my friends has a direct-to-garment printer. I ended up printing this.

>>3034416
sell these to hipsters and make a fortune

>>3034416
p cool.

>>3034422
yeah, this.

delete the "roll" word and leave only the roll image. normies love that.

>>3034396
Dang. I've got under 20 followers because all my photos are snapshits. If only I had the base audience to do that. How does one get their photos recognised anyways?

>>3034428
hashtag and cliche photos, to be brutally honest. Instagram isn't about what's good, it's about what's popular

HP5 is shit! Worst emulsion on this earth that's still in production.

>>3034578
that's a hot opinion you got there

now someone explain to me what an emulsion is

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And one from the Tri-x pushed to 800 roll

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Ausfags
where online do you buy dev chems from?

>>3034628
I just buy my shit from the B&H grabblers

Buying in aus gets you expensive prices + free/cheap postage, buying from overseas gets you cheap prices but sometimes expensive shipping. Usually all up it's cheaper buying from B&H, but at times the price difference is so negligible you might as well buy from a store in aus

>>3034466
Y'see, that's the thing. I have been putting up my most cliche, saturated stuff. I'm thinking my biggest problem is my hashtag game. When I put up something I figure they'll like, I can get maybe 40 likes. Clearly it's passable but the hashtag game is not getting me that exposure.

>>3034647
I'm embarrassed to use hashtags

some people post them in a separate comment which seems to work a bit better

>>3034632
bhphotovideo?
I tried but a lot of their stuff is local buys only..
what australian places do you use?

I want a yellow filter to get more contrast and drama in my b&w shots, particularly the skys. I'm worried about getting a cheap one and ruining my sharpness though. Any good manufacturers to look out for?

>>3034416
What's so good about that film brand?

>>3034701
got any problem with ilford u cuck?

>>3034709
Just wondering babe, I don't know shit about film, but I want to learn.

>>3034712
oh. its a nice brand, they only do black and white film and everything b&w development related, their film is good, affordable. some people prefer their version of tri-x (hp5). theyre a solid brand.

>>3034221
Ever done one of the Pen F half frame SLRs? I'd love to get one but I hear they're quite unreliable.

>>3034416
Sweet! You could probably sell a few of those

>>3034605
>>3034606
Nice

>>3034701
>>3034712
I buy Ilford because their film and chemicals are good quality and because I'm from the UK where they're based so it feels like supporting the home team. Realistically almost all films are perfectly fine but people tend to have pet favourites based on things like cost, grain structure, effective film speed, tonal range/balance, how flat it dries, etc. because they're things that vary by brand and emulsion.

>>3034719
>Ever done one of the Pen F half frame SLRs? I'd love to get one but I hear they're quite unreliable.
nope. once held a pen f, i was infatuated with the idea of getting one, but i found it wasnt as small as i thought it was.

i think we all should have a basic understanding of how to disassemble film cameras and service them. becuase in the future we might have cameras, film and ways to develop, but all the old guys that used to service cameras and be good at it are going to be dead at that point, its already happening.

>>3034720
From what I've seen they look to be about the same size as the Canonet QL rangefinders. Was the weight much different? Agree completely with your thoughts on servicing, I've done a bit of work on a Yashica Electro and I think if the documentation was out there most fairly mechanically minded people could do it. Electronics are a whole other ball game though.

>>3034740
it had adequate weight. well balanced. viewfinder was super cute, i mean you were actually watching what you were going to get, a mindblowing situation for half frames.

>>3034416
>>3034423
>>3034719
proof that p doesnt have any aesthetic sense at all.
>that awful font.
>two words on first line, the rest is one word per line
>what is kerning?
>I
>the design fills the whole bags surface.

only redeeming thing about this is the charming vintage look on the delta rolls print, im willing to bet my butt that that wasnt intentional.

>>3034207
So you would definitely recommend an EM? What is your favorite thing about it? Least favorite?

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So I found this old Minolta srt101 in the basement, along with a handful of lenses. I know these are fairly common, but how would you guys rank it among other easily found 35mm SLRs? Idk shit about cameras

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>>3034778
It is what it is. If it works, fine; if it doesn't, you paid nothing for it. It can be worth about $50 to someone who could use a film SLR, but no-one's going to buy it off you for that.

>>3034778
It's a nice camera. Go take some photos WITH it instead of OF it and then come back.
It's a free workout too because those things weigh as much as a toddler.
Works without batteries so even if the meter is busted you can get a free lightmeter app for your phone and just use that.
I have one which I've used a lot. Mostly with the 45/2 MD pancake lens