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Sony as the greatest camera of all time
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We all agree that Sony isn't shit anymore, right? We've come to terms with it?
I'd agree. I have an a7r, and I fucking love it. Insane dynamic range, and I use all my canon glass on it. I try to convert as many people as I can to sony. Pic related, sony a7r, with canon 24-70 L ii
Until they sort out the woeful battery life, FF mirrorless will never replace DSLRs in professional work


Fucking lol
I like DXOmark, unlike most of /p/ but for cameras they only measure the sensor. So all you can say if you agree with dxo is that the Sony sensor is the best. So if you put that sensor in another camera it would be just as good, which is what happens all the time. Given a nearly identical sensor Nikon even manages to get a higher score (if that is all that matters to you) than sony.

I really haven't heard any credible person saying sony sensor are bad or that it can't produce better images than almost anything else. What I have heard is that the battery life sucks, the menus are awful and the ergonomics are at best "usable" but not better than most other cameras.

Sony makes great sensors and they are making money at it which is an accomplishment for sony. They make a big percentage of the sensor in a bunch of dedicated cameras and embedded devices. They are even making their sensor manufacturing into a separate company.

They can make great sensors. The jury is still out on whether they can make great cameras.

>the shilling is real though. see: jason lanier
>We all agree that Sony isn't shit anymore, right? We've come to terms with it?

D810 and even cropped D7200 still have bigger base dynamic range even with Sony sensor.
>of all time

implying nothing better is ever going to be produced by any other manufacturer ever

or that the human race is about to cease existing
Didn't the 645z score a 101?

Not tested yet.
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>we all agree it isn't shit right?
>no, because there's a handful of cameras that are better than them at a couple things
The best camera is the one that you use to take pictures instead of masturbating over it on the internet
Sorry Pentax 645Z is ranked better...
Uh. It has been no secret that Sony makes a lot of the sensors in Nikon's cameras for quite a while now. Notice how the D810 is right there behind it.

>Sony is the best *sensor* manufacturer
Is more accurate, because cameras with bloated, clunky and unintuitive menu systems, as well as shit battery life, are hardly the best. Kudos to them on all they have done for the camera world though.
A camera is much much more than a sensor.
We have all agreed for quite some time that Sony sensors aren't shit, but it's pretty obvious that Nikon, Fuji, and Pentax have been doing actual cameras better than Sony for quite a long time. The A7r2 is great, but other than that...

even the a6000 is a reason to NOT like Nikon, because they abandoned the mount so quickly.
Great sensor =/= Great camera.

Usability ranks so much higher for working professionals than whether you can get an extra stop of DR, or if your ISO performance is 50 points better than a different camera.

From all that I've seen, Sony menus are almost as bad as Fuji, but the controls are much worse. They are some of the least user friendly systems on the market right now.

Add in the battery life issues, which aren't necessarily bad for studio use, but terrible for sports or journalist work, and the Sony cameras fall way behind in the curve.
I don't understand what's funny about that. I love my sony.
>I love my sony
That is your problem. Love the photo, not the equipment.
Well, Sony delivered so I am perfectly fine with the current outcome.
At the mean time someone is getting awards for photos made on iPhone.
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I love my photos too. This thread was posted about equipment, so I talked about the equipment I love.

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Do you know what equipment I love? Would you like me to post a photo of it? It's a SFW board, but still...
Just a hint, your camera does not count. No matter how "good" it is.
why isn't the d750 on this list?

Does it share a sensor with something else?
You can tell yourself that. And to some extent it's true. You can't take a shitty photographer, give them a nikon d810 and think they're going to take great photos. But you can certainly outgrow cameras capabilities. If you think differently go use a 5-year-old Nikon Coolpix and tell me gear doesn't matter. I'm not saying that the equipment is an answer to every photographer's problem, but it can help.
>Awful battery life
>Expensive for mirrorless
>Poor performance
>Replaced in less than 12 months by Sony
>why isn't the d750 on this list?

It is a flat score. Obviously many cameras do not fit into the top 8 positions.

>Does it share a sensor with something else?

Sensor is only the part of the deal. D810 shares sensor with A7r I but is ahead of it in many aspects.
>is ahead of it in many aspects.

is ahead of it in terms of dynamic range.
>thread discussing the IQ of a camera
>not a single mention of lenses

Stay /p/, /p/.
It's also ahead in terms of ergonomics, menu systems, and battery life.

What the A7R II does have going for it is the sensor and the new AF, as well as those adapters. But the sensor doesn't matter if you already have a D810 which has a terrific sensor too, the AF will not matter as much if you don't need to acquire focus that quickly, and the adapters only matter if you have a real use for mounting old/foreign glass to that particular body.

Meanwhile, the A7R II does suffer from attrocious battery life (about 300 shots, vs 1200 in the D810 and other similar D-SLR's), and meh ergonomics/menu. Those things alone are a dealbreaker when alternatives exist.

In other words, the A7R II is not the best camera in the world, all things considered. Neither is the D810, or any other camera.

If a lone voice cries out amongst a sea of idiots, does it make a sound?
How did you get the logo, you motherfucker
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>tfw started shooting with their DSLRs 5 years ago
>"does it have playstation built in, anon? hahaha"
>everyone bullies me because of my camera brand of choice
>every argument ends with "canon has L lenses"
>spend more time on 'chans
>start fapping to animus, traps, femboys, post in gore threads constantly
>more and more socially anxious
>put my finger up my ass for the first time
>masterbate and photograph myself very often
>fast forward few months of anal play, one of my DSLRs dies
>decided to shoot film while I save for a new one
>manual primes on a smaller body feel great
>being a filmfag becomes a life changing experience
>notice mirrorless sonys getting better and better
>buy one instead, it's better than filmfagging
>get a qt gf
>she's a huge canikon fanboi, convert her to sony after a year
>get a well paid job
>upgrade to foolframe mirrorless master race
>my life is complete
>no more hatred for canon plebs, just pure disdain
>shooting street snapshits with a foolframe camera and manual lenses
>rarely post them online because I shoot for myself
>think before snapshit because muh filmfag experience
>travel a lot
>laugh at gearfags gearfagging on the internets
>thanks, sony

Their arbitrary measurements fail objective and scientific scrutiny. Therefore, best to not use them at all.

I can't say much about Sony's cameras, but I sure as hell can say that DxOMark is poison if you want actual answers to actual questions.
i am 29 years old and what is this?
>>put my finger up my ass for the first time
dude what the fuck does that have to do with sony
Clearly you don't spend very much time around Sony users.

Notice the entire post is about gear, and yet at the end, he says:
>laugh at gearfags gearfagging on the internets
fukken saved
It's just a logo I made and overlayed it on photoshop

I'm loling because you're a walking cliche.
And what do you shoot with? And why do you like it? Have you ever used a sony outside of your local best buy?
>being excited about dynamic range tied to a photo with blown highlights.
Sounds about right. Welcome to Sony.
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Maybe this would be a better representation of dynamic range then?
If you insist:
The E-mount also has multiple of the best primes, plus the nicest 70-200 f/4 zoom lens.

Sony is doing great.
>Their arbitrary measurements fail objective and scientific scrutiny.
Please show the "scientific scrutiny" that they failed.

Lol, all of that is irrelevant. What I do isn't what makes you a cliche.
>not cloning that streak out

I would say the fact that they don't publish their methodology or processes means that they fail even the most basic scientific scrutiny.
I don't really edit my photos that much, I keep what I capture. Calm down
Sony owns Zeiss. Your argument is invalid.
That is fucking revolting
>Using an adapter, the E-mount also has multiple of the best primes, plus the nicest 70-200 f/4 zoom lens.
nice try jason lanier
Nah, though adapted Canon (and all sorts of MF) lenses also are good options on the A7 II / A7R II, the lenses I was thinking of are just native to the E-mount.
The 'I don't know how to use photoshop' starter pack
>I don't really edit my photos that much, I keep what I capture

That pic....
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