Is anyone else concerned? How do we as outdoors enthusiasts prevent

Call your representatives and put pressure on them.

>>942856

>buy the land
>sell tickets for people to hike your land
>save up
>buy more land
>sell more tickets
>etc

Free market.

>>942860
>Reeeee what do you mean I should save my own capital and incur some risk on an investment

>Other people should be violently coerced into paying for what I want!

are baby boomers worse than niggers?

Thank you Mr Trump. You continue to exceed my expectations although if you would carry through with your promise to gas the Jews, Muslims, niggers , queers, trannies , disabled, beaners, feminists and environmentalists that would be great.

>>942896
You forgot liberals.

>>942856
He is far from being the first American president to do that, you know?

At the start of the USA, they had no taxes and got all their money by selling lands.

>>942856
ive been bugging out about this. there was a time where national parks were bipartisan. everyone was in favor of protecting. now some rich fucks are trying to get their fucking hands on our childrens birthright.

UTAH BROS--- this is your state rep pushing for all this. call his ass out and take him to the chopping block.


i dont even want to say the name of my favorite national park because i dont want to remind anyone that it still exists but im terrified becasue the bad man in utah has been gunning for it for YEARS

you need to organise collectively to resist this. do this >>942857 but also see if any groups exist that already oppose this and join the effort.

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>>942856
Most of the national land being sold is in the middle of bumfuck Nevada, has no residents and very few visitors. They're not selling Yellowstone you dumb cucks.

>>942939
that's prime mule deer and chukar hunting habitat.

>>942925
If you think 'national land' is synonymous with 'national park' then you're retarded. Most of it is vacant with no points of interest. Nobody visits these places.

>>942941
Well, even if they sell more than half of it there will still be more than enough land to hunt. Look at how much there is in the west compared to the east and midwest. There is no reason to preserve that much land. Even if its sold its unlikely to be developed to any large extent.

>>942944
So, in conclusion, much like the Dakota Access Pipeline this is a big load of nothing that hippies are throwing a fit over. Ignore them and move on. Whether they decide to sell national land in the West or not it just doesn't fucking matter.

>>942939
>HURR only tourist shit should be protected

kys. Trumpcucks please stop defending this madness.

>>942942
no but national land is often the gateway to get to national parks or national forests and when they parcel off land that sits on the outskirts of national parks and national forests it blocks entry and use of the park/forrest

if you actually read the story OP posted it discusses that happening with the Colorado national forest.... you fucking retard.

>>942939
>fucking pleb who has only ever camped in national parks

>>942939
its not just the peoples use of the land that's the concern its ecosystems, migratory patterns and precipitation absorption.

personally i'm worried that this is a test run for something that will really matter. See how people react to something small before moving for something big.

>>942952
dont use plural-- it seems like just one guy who comes over here once or twice a day, acts like a piece of shit, gets huffy when he realizes that no one agrees with him and then starts acting like a bigger piece of shit.

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>>942856
>land totaling the size of Connecticut
>my concern level
>0

>what fearmongers think
>OMFGLGBTQ!!!111one
>DrumpfHitler just sold every last square inch of US land and it's all gone overnight!!!!1111

>>942952
It's been talked about before Trump even decided to run, how do you know he's part of it. It just be some career politician in congress.

OP here. While Trump will inevitably pick a side this wasn't his idea. It's congress that's selling the land (and turning almost no profit doing so).

>>942944
So you'd like the whole country to be like Appalachia where almost every protected mountain range is surrounded by shitty towns and most people have to drive hours just to find a trail that's not littered with beer cans and used condoms? No thank you, I'd like America to retain at least a little of its wilderness.

>>942919
Well obviously they weren't going to keep the entire Louisiana purchase undeveloped. The problem is nowadays most people have to drive hours to go hunting or camping, and there are people who'd like to make it even harder. I don't know about you but I'd like my kids to grow up knowing what it's like to enjoy nature, and I don't mean sleeping in an RV in a shitty national park campground.

>>942942
Why are you on /out/ if your concept of the outdoors is a path through the woods behind the local rec center?

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>Obama turns land into federally owned parks and bans any and all building/mining/living/exploring of it
>Equivalent to the size of 1/3 of Alaska
>Nobody says fuckall about it except for Drudge and a few other fringe sites like ZeroHedge
>Republicant's decide to sell federal land meaning it goes back to the people like it should
>Faggots, leftists, and hippies all lose their minds
The Death Squads can't come fast enough

>>942917
But they are what constitutes the liberal base
And he obviously omitted white women because despite the fact that they are the main reason the left cmse to power in the first place eliminating them would mean genociding ourselves

>>942952
>Trumpcucks
And whom, may I ask is cucking us?
All I see is everyone else getting anally devestated not the other way around

>>943031
>it goes back to the people like it should

by people do you mean boise cascade and jr simplot?

>>943031
Selling land that we use for recreation doesn't sound like it's giving it back to the people when it will just be converted to mining projects and housing developments. I could however get behind the idea of giving the land to state land agencies (DNRs) along with all the federal money that is wasted on federal beurocracy.

>>942964

>being ignorant and apathetic is somehow a virtue

>>942942
>the environment is only worthwhile if humans can exploit it in some way

>>943050
Don't know if this is true everywhere but where I live all the state land is terribly maintained. National forests are the only thing we have going for us.

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>>943052
>yfw apathy got you this far

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Looks like he's gonna withdraw the bill.

>>943066
>whenever you camp you're exploiting it in some way

Zip it hippie.

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>>942981
>I'd like America to retain at least a little of its wilderness.

s-so wild!

>>942958
Nah, you're just a dirty hippie making sweeping assumptions. Lay off the dope.

>>943397
>Lay off the dope.
what fucking decade were you born in?

>>943396
>hurr there is no life in the desert, it's just sand and shit
Spoken like a true underage retard who just shitposts to be edgy. Much of America's biodiversity is in the fucking desert.

>>943401
>IT IS THE CURRENT YEAR
You don't really think this is an argument do you?

And if you think that Trump supporters are one person, well I've got some news for you we voted him into office with a majority vote.
>inb4 the votes of 24 million dead and non-existing persons that have been invalid for years but still voted count

>>942925
National Forests (east) and BLM land (west)exist and have been managed for only one purpose...
To extract useful forest and mineral products.
Recreation is a by product.
That's why the USFS is a subordinate division of the Dept of Agriculture.

Got it?

OK.

Then make (you) the recreation user more valuable than the pulpwood or mining or oil industry.
How?
Stop buying bullshit knink knacks to prove your /out/ cred and put your money where your boots fall.

Now you know. Keep whining about it and I'll slap your bitch mouth.

>>943410
The forests belong to me and you're welcome to try and take them from me. I will burn them all to nothing before I let you flush me out you rat kike bastards.

>>943408
way to shoehorn your Trump support and conspiracy theories into a post that was completely unrelated, snowflake.

only baby boomers refer to people as "hippies" or weed as "dope".

>>943385
You can tell he abuses that dog. Probably sexually.

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>>943411
Wrong, Seth. The _parks_ belong to you. The forests are altogether different.
To go against the law, you must first know the law.

>>943050
The issue with given it to the states is that the states might not have the resources to effectively manage it. Especially when it comes to things like dealing with wildfires. Not every state is California and can afford it's own fleet of air tankers. And even California relies heavily on the Forest Service for help.

>>943411
Wow, the Lorax really got militant.

>>943410
you are the worst kind of person.


please go away.

>>943397
A) i rarely smoke anymore
B) you just made a sweeping assumption
C) its the current year dope is slang for heroin now.
D) all these shit posts are so clearly yours. its clear by the way you write. you can take the vengeful autist off of /pol/ but you cant take /pol/ out of the vengeful autist.


please, I implore you, consider suicide.

>>943396
>He doesn't believe in natures intrinsic value, I.e. human independent value

>>943410
>He doesnt realize that we can agree that national land is intended for economic use, but privatizing it will lead to looser regulations on environmental impact laws

>>943521
Please start by dismantling section 404 of the CWA.
Please.

>>942939
>bumfuck

good night, you've been brainwashed

I didn't even vote for Trump but why should the government be in control of the land? This is one thing Trump is doing right.

Keep sucking big government cock.

>>942896
>>942917
>>943035
can't tell if nazi faggot or ridiculous leftist

either way, fuck off. enforcing basic immigration laws that most countries in the world have and putting a stop on immigrants from countries that have high levels of violence is not in line with nazi ideals. no one calls Japan nazis and their immigration laws are stricter than ours are gonna be.

Hopefully they sell it to a bunch of little people and not a bunch of casino building chinks.

>>943553
>I can't enjoy camping, hiking, biking, hunting, fishing, skiing, snowmobiling, climbing or otherwise going outside unless I have to pay for it

the federal government shouldn't sell land, but it also should not be in control of it. the states should be in control of it and the people of that state can decide what they want to do with it.

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>>942939
Public land in Nevada is the only thing the state has going for it. Don't take that away from them.

>>943561
Endless plains of creosote brush, how exciting. Let's bring back jobs to Nevada, for Nevadans. Ranching and mining rather than vacant desert.

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Coming soon to your area

>>943565
There are plenty of cows on BLM land. There's mining too. The only reason I got to ride my bike out to take that picture was a little gravel road which goes through ~40 miles of that to get to a couple mines.

Just because you aren't personally enamored with the biome doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it.

>>943403
>America's biodiversity

Tell me more. Diversity is the only way and surely if someone buys land, they will kill all plants and animals.

>>943418
no need to project your fetishes onto others.

They already retracted the bill. Not happening.

>>943605
We might find many uses for genetic diversity in the future. Especially the rain forest. But deserts for example, the plants have genes for drought resistant that could be used.

>>943558
The government owns you slave. You think your life is yours? You are a product of the government, you are a puppet, a golem, an automaton. You have no free will, you are an object and we own you.

>>943556
>nobody calls Japan nazis
They do, but then my wife just yells BAKA! REMEMBER THE 11 MILLION INTERNED JAPANESE YOU FUCKING WAITO PIGGU

It usually shuts them up. God I love her, can't wait for the twins to be born.

>>943655
Eat shit racemixer. You and your children must die.

>>942860
>charging access to common natural resources
Get bent, Nestle.

>>943714
If you're not a libertarian or ancap you should leave /out/ chumptard.

America should be split into tens of thousands of petty kingdoms and anyone trying to invade private property should be killed by based ancap warlords.

>>943031
I'm not going to join any rage-filled discission but are you saying you believe that privately owned land is somehow MORE accesible than public land?
Will it not always be up to the private land-owners, and will they not - on average - be a lot more restrictive about "the people" using their land than the standard laws for public land?

Unless your definition of "the people" is solely the ones that owns the particular piece of land then there is no reason what so ever to be against turning land into fedarally owned parks. And the other way: being against privatization of land is in your interest if you want the land to go to "the people" like you said.

And please keep ranting about death squads to /pol/

>>942868

Significantly.

>>943792
t. chimpire kike

Public outcry caused the guy to back off. Just need to keep up the pressure now.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2154196/public-lands-safe-for-now

>>943834
this is fantastic.

>>943834
They're not going to sell those lands, but meanwhile another congressman has introduced a bill which would repeal regulations that allow the National Park Service to manage drilling inside national parks.

>>943385

Well I for one am outraged because Nazis.

>>943039

trump is cucking you. selling off the natural world and your children's inheritance for a few sheckels you'll never see.

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>literal cattle grazing grounds now

I'd imagine the Navajo and their neighbors being a bit upset.

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No BAD GOYIM. How dare you evil heterosexual whites in your backward flyover states try and take empty land from us. You whites must only be allowed to live in overpopulated megacities where you can be easily mixed with minorities. Or else! No more areas for white settlement for you. Bad, bad goy! Now get back to Phoenix or Houston, we just built a house in a nice Latino neighborhood for you!

>>943385
somehow blames this on president clinton...

>>942856
You know the Obama administration has been doing this for years, right?

>>942856
Stop voting for republicans for one. People let themselves get cucked by emotional social issues without considering what their priorities really are.

>>944605
As I understand it he was more into leasing land than selling it. To be honest, I don't have too much a problem with leasing land for commercial use as long as the benefits outweigh the costs. For example, who cares if a few acres out of thousands are opened for logging as long as it's not some drastic clear cut apocalypse. Or as long as coal companies don't strip mine and restore the land when they're done. Ultimately if the economic activity is paying for conservation efforts then I say no harm no foul.

It seems to me that Zinke is actually a pretty reasonable person to run the Interior department. He doesn't want to purge public lands, he's open to economic development but wants it regulated and non-catastrophic. I'm much more worried about Congress with regard to our lands than I am about Trump and his team.

>>943467
That got to me.
Fucking kek

>>944602

Not exactly Clinton's fault, but 2 BLM wilderness assessments were conducted during his administration. The second assessment and the one that HR 621 works use as a baseline was conducted due to claims of underreporting of wilderness areas. Still, that info is 20 years out of date, bad bill all around.

We need to freak out about HR622. Removes BLM and NFS Law enforcement divisions and makes counties and States responsible for those lands.

>>944611
Kill yourself.

>>943467
Top fucking post lmfao

>>945425
Follow your leader and get assassinated chumpturd.

>>944912
Agreed. Despite really disliking most of that Cabinet I'm actually cool with Zinke--he hunts, fishes, hikes, and does other fun stuff outdoors, so he seems to understand the importance of public land.

>>943031
no you retard
>fed leases land
>corrupt politician gets his way
>sells land to his pals for cheap
>his pals start leasing land

>>942939
>in the middle of bumfuck nowhere
that's exactly the point, you dolt. Who wants to go /out/ where there's people and buildings? My ideal /out/ setting is far the fuck away from everyone. This is why having public land is very important to a lot of people, it is already becoming harder and harder to get away from people and civilization, selling public land is not going to help that

>>947782
I agree, the government should own all the land and make all decisions regarding when you can camp on it

>>947786
Hi straw man.

>>943717
That is literally nigger tier, Go back to zimbabbo you fucking chimp.

>>947872
I guess you can't answer why you think the government owns the exact right amount of land right now.

>>947976
It doesn't, it owns too little and what it does own is too fragmented, but unfortunately that's not easy to change.

>>942856
> Oh no this wonderful hiking land is now going to be used for agricultural/industry/tourism/private property
> BAD! BAD CAPITALISM!
> REPUBLICAN MAJORITY GOVERNMENT STOP DOING REPUBLICAN THINGS FOR AMERICA
> REEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEE
> I DIDN'T LOST! REEEEEEEE
> WE CAN TOTALLY IMPEACH TRUMP!

>>948467
I would say back to /pol/ but even they aren't as retarded as you are.

>>947786
I just hiked out into the Gila wilderness and camped wherever I got tired. It's like the government doesn't care where you camp in some areas as opposed to others or something.

>>947786
Better than a mining conglomerate saying no camping ever

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I think that ALL government land should be sold to non profit conservation/wildife funds. with contracts that allow for limited public access.
the gov't is horrible and inefficient at protecting the environment.

>>942964
no big problem starts out as a big problem. It would start out like this, and if the selling of land is to continue (implying its being sold to just anyone), the small "problem" would be developing into a bigger problem

>>948648
Sounds like you are mad that everyone sees thru your drivel

>>942856
>tfw you're not rich enough to buy a big plot of forest and turn it into a dope nature reserve

>>948655

>Better than a mining conglomerate saying no camping ever

How is that better than the government saying no camping ever?

>>948674
It's OK, now it can be sold to oil and mining companies.

There is virtually no appetite amongst the American people to sell off most public lands

The one bill that was going to sell some land was basically useless land that had already been earmarked for selling.

People are literally getting worked up over nothing. It's good to be vigilant, I guess, but don't be a hysterical idiot.

Also, anyone who doubts the Feds are a bunch of dickheads when it comes to fucking with private parties on public land is an idiot.

>>942981
Good luck raising your kids on a new planet then. You might notice that this one is filling up pretty quick.

>>948674
Troll post?

>>944605
Citation needed faggot.

>>948886

I agree sort of. I am not informed on the matter, but I do enjoy camping and exploring national forests with a passion. If they actually start to shrink the size of national forests drastically, I think I would be very pissed. Since I live a basic bitch boring life, I would probably go full guerrilla if it actually happened. There'd be very little to lose. Grab SKS and go innawoods.