Hey /out/, so I just got an acre and a half of lovely land. I'm planning to get a polytunnel, set out some beds, using mainly permaculture concepts in laying it out, so all that is more or less planned (in my head). But the living space still needs to be decided on, what would you guys recommend that isn't too expensive?
I'm thinking log cabins are out due to cost. A yurt is fairly limited in size (well the one's I've seen anyway). Cob, earthbag, etc, are very labor intensive and it's just myself doing it. A big shed might be alright but generally not great for heat, I dunno. Suggestions are very much welcome.
Oh and I'm living in Ireland so we're fairly wet and windy
An igloo made from sand bags filled with concrete. Solid, hurricane and earthquake proof, incredibly insulative from heat and cold, hard to spot from a distance. Lacks guest accommodations.
Quonset hut covered in burlap sacks filled with soil. Cover in grass seed and wait. As the burlap rots the roots take hold, and in the end it just looks like a small hill depending on how you slope the sides.
Plenty of room for guests depending on what you start with and how you work the insides.
I just gave quonset huts a google and it doesn't look like you can get them done here in Ireland. I'd definitely consider doing the burlap sacks thing, somewhat like dick proenneke except he used moss and plastic. The only thing is that we get an awful lot of rain so I'll have to see what others do so that the roof doesn't cave in from the weight of it. Have you done it yourself?
I'd say that'd be too small, I plan to live there most of the time
I've got to say... that's pretty fucking brilliant. I wonder how much weight they can hold, though. Galvanized steel isn't exactly the most insulative of materials.
Unlike OP, I would want to go as small as possible to reduce heating and cooling requirements. Anything similar that would be more like a single-room hut?
the reason log cabins are costly is because they take a lot of work and know-how for a good and solid result
if you're willing and capable, the cost is small, especially if you make a small one
if you're looking for relatively cheap and lazy yet fairly weather resistant, I would start by googling terms like cheap prefab house kit
Has anyone looked at a youtube channel called "OutsideFun1". He has two videos up showing a 500 dollar 10x10 pretty cozy cabin he constructed. I was actually rather impressed, even though the furniture and some other things were donated. Log cabins are the closest you'd get to nature, if you keep it off the grid. Expensive wouldn't be the word for it, but like other anons said it takes time, a bit of knowledge or experienced help, and friends to help build it. I will be constructing my own in a few years.
dog trot houses are the shit, they're really nice in humid areas because they let air circulate really easily.
No, a quonset hut won't support that weight. Quonset huts were set up my ht e military as quick shelters. I learned as a firefigter that they have extremely poor structural support. Because they are essentially a half circle, if you get a failure at one point, the entire roof collapses. You would logically think they are the best to prevent a collapse, but they are literally the worst.
What are you talking about, I had an 24 inch diameter tree fall over on a Quonset Hut and hardly dent the sidewalk.
If you are super worried about the weight, then fucking reinforce it.
OP here I prob should've added that I'm a 24 yo woman and don't have anyone willing to help with this at the moment. So although all fantastic (loving the idea of a pit house) most seem to require a fair bit of experience and man power
What is your budget? In mts of Virginia, I just had a 16x16 shed/workshop built with 12 ft walls, 9ft dual open French doors on 1 side, 6ft shed doors in the other with a couple Windows, & a 6/12 pitch roof built for $4,300. Once electricity inspection passes, I'll build a loft that will have almost 8ft clearance in center.
You can build inexpensively. U just have to get creative. I bought doors/Windows from resell store that gets clearance from big box stores, lumber from professional construction yard, & labor from small local company. It'll be super nice when I finish it up with lean to, deck, & insulation/drywall/pegboard
I think I'm going to paint it this color combo in the Spring
Not OP but it's really hard for someone with no experience in using basic tools (hammer, drill, screw gun, circular saw, table saw, nail guns, etc.) to just up and build a dwelling. I have 10+ years of experience in construction so it's easy for me to come up with an idea and just start working on it but I've got a lot of friends who wouldn't even know where to start on a project like this. Sure, anyone can learn how to do it but you really need someone there to show you the ropes, at least starting out. Also, some things are really hard and/or awkward to do with just one person. Something as simple as hanging a door is extremely frustrating when you're trying to do it by yourself but becomes a piece of cake with just an extra pair of hands.
Workshop builder here. A few reasons not to bring in dirt. 1st being addtl cost plus fill dirt isn't anywhere near as stable. With it being close to the river, we're using 6 mobile home tie downs to firther strengthen. It's outside of the 100yr flood plain but being up off the ground definitely brings more peace of mind from flooding. Side benefit is that it's about 6ft from bottom of building to ground underneath. I'm going to close it in with siding & Use it for storage. It'll also eventually be under a 12x16 deck so it'll get even more protection from the elements.
Yeah, I understand that it isn't as stable and will settle over time, in that case I just crawl under the building and use screw jacks on the beams to lift it back to level and then shim under it. I hadn't considered the flooding aspect of it being so close to the river, I can see how in that case you would definitely need the building to be up higher. I live in a very tornado prone area and see prefab homes slide off their piers all the time in this area due to strong winds, especially so if they're built up real high like your building is. You're obviously much more concerned about flooding than you are winds blowing your building over though.
always nice to get a different perspective as well as have a none snarky exchange on here 8-) yeah tornados would trump flood if that was a concern lol i can't wait to get inspection completed so i can get my woodworking equipment in there and start doing some projects. Nothing beats doing projects with the sound of the river in the background.
yeah man...I 1st discovered this area about 6 yrs ago when I was out riding the harley on the Blue ridge pkwy. It's got some amazing riding up there plus it's a stocked trout river. I had been daydreaming about owning land in that area ever since..We bought land about a yr ago and started kicking projects into gear about 8 maths ago. 1 thing is for certain, contractors are definitely on mts time...daggum they're slow
Yeah, it sounds like an awesome area. I ride motorcycles too and would kill to live near some decent mountains. As it is I'm about 2.5 hours away from the Ozarks so I guess that isn't too bad but still..
The trouble with contractors is that the ones who are really good, show up on time every day, and always put in a full day's work always have jobs booked up 2-3+ months out. The ones that can show up within a week or two are the ones who show up late, drag their feet, and might work 4-5 hours in any given day. They might do the same quality of work in the end but it just takes them a little longer, haha.
Currently I only own €200 so I'll start getting materials bit by bit.
Yeah, I've no prob with hard work and getting it done but it's just stuff like carrying stuff that would be difficult. Wouldn't worry about any other aspect though desu. Oh and having to hold stuff in place while trying to fix it in, you really need another person to help for that.
Clamps, levers, jacks, saw horses, scaffolding, and pulleys would allow you to do most things on your own. Just be careful no matter what you do because having someone around simply as a spotter and to drag your ass to the hospital if something does happen is the greatest advantage.
I'd buy a few somethings like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1LctqSSWNs or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcL2fm-510
Maybe three and line them up together. You'd effectively have a boardwalk, two of them could be used for housing and the third as a communal living area and kitchen. Add your outhouse w/ composting toilet, gardens and greenhouse, whatever else you need and see how it goes.
Mind you, that is just what I would do. I'm not sure if it fits into your plans at all but I'm hoping this gives you a new perspective and helps you think.
That sort of thing would be ideal. I'd say 2 of them together would do, one for a bedroom and another for everything else. If I can't get something premade like that, My mam said my uncle would help. He used to work in construction and built loft sheds and aviary's.
Out of curiosity has anyone tried straw bale houses or know anyone who has? Would Ireland be too humid and wet for them?