>>676213 I also forgot to mention it fold down into a little plastic case that's like 2x the size (2x width, height and length) of a zippo lighter. I put that into my cup with my collapsible spork, a lighter in case the piezo doesn't work, and some extra aluminum foil and made a little aluminum foil lid for it. Pretty compact setup for a solo backpacker
>>676189 Empty a tin of pellets. Poke ring of small holes. Fill with alcohol. Set afire! Put 4 short nails along outer edge as pot holder. You don't want a canister stove, fuel is hard to come by on thru hikes and they aren't happening proof.
>.50 cal can 10-15 dollars >metal skewers for grating, 5 dollars I'd also get a small wire hangar or coil and stick in the bottom to keep the wood off the very bottom. What I did is drill holes in the top and bottom then cut out a front square for putting wood in. The lid locks on and I can carry a fuel supply with me. Its only recommended for wood since charcoal tends not to burn well. I did a long burn first to take off the paint then a second after cleaning it with a wire brush. I've been cooking on it for years. Its big enough for two small pots or a whole rabbit or two good sized trout. Just let it get to coals and you can cook well.
>>676301 Alcohol/methanol stoves are cheap and fun to build (I have three,) but they are sloooooow to cook anything.
Recommend a heat exchange (steel wire coil, half in half out of the liquid fuel) instead of pellets to increase burn temperature. If you use the flat bottom of the pot to seal off the top of the tuna can you can actually get a jet burner without too much effort.
>>676573 Denatured alcohol is mostly ethanol with just a splash of methanol. That's the best stuff to use, assuming you don't want to buy pure ethanol to burn. But you're not drinking it anyway, and shouldn't burn it inside, so the risk of using other alcohols is practically non-existent.
>>676577 Methanol is not clean burning. I mean, it's almost certainly fine to use for cooking in the amounts in denatured alcohol. But pure methanol has combustion products that are poisonous and soluble in food.
>>676189 For short trips I like one of those teeny aluminum fuel pellet stoves. Works fine.
Got the idea for this from someone that posted in a recent thread - it's a pot stand / chimney for cooking with Sterno. I made it from a ring of aluminum that was left over from the construction of a water bottle stove. It weighs almost nothing and works great + it minimizes heat loss and reduces the boiling time...
Are you sure it's not just NZ? Wikipedia says that they removed methyl alcohol from their list of government approved formulations for methylated spirits. The USA and EU both mandate that methanol must be in the formulation...
They are crazy cheap off amazon ($10 or less). I bought mine 3 years ago from a recommendation of backpackinglight, and it hasn't failed me yet over 30+ trips.
Light, real small, and crazy simple. Screw on, turn hinge, press igniter, boil dat water. Probably very similar to >>676190 just cheaper, and looks like mine keeps the pot a bit further away from the flame.
Either way, you shouldn't have to spend more the $20 on a camping stove, and at that price point, it'll be hard to fuck up too bad with your decision.
I also bought the stove in >>678480 2 years ago when it was best on the market price/performance wise, but it was never satisfactory. the pins that hold the container are too narrow to safely hold anything larger than a mug, and are never level with each other since they are all mounted at different heights be design.
The flame is tiny and quite weak too. A small flame pattern creates a narrow column of hot water in the container, that circulates poorly, slowing the heating process. It often took 5-8 minutes to boil 500mL of water, which is terrible.
The stove I linked to you will address all of these problems, while being more stable and safe to use. As an additional bonus, with the remote canister design you can safely wrap a windbreak tight around your stove/container to maximize the efficiency of your cooking. Special feature: in cold temperatures (less than 20F or so), start the burner normally then invert the canister. the propane gas will then be able to push out the butane gas that is liquid at those temps and would normally be unusable.
>>678208 Way move goalposts there, buddy. Are either of those simultaneously food-soluble AND toxic? I don't think I'm gonna suffocate on CO2 that has dissolved into my food. And yes, I'm aware that the 2 should be subscript instead of superscript; unfortunately, my phone keyboard doesn't have that so I had to make do.
you want a narrow flame because you want to actually heat your container
you need the narrow flame so heat is not wasted on the sides. its concentrated in the center where it should be. if you dont have a wide surface to accommodate a wide flame then plenty of heat gets lost through the sides. the cheap etek stove has a smaller flame, but its more narrow and irected perfectly in the middle where it should be. it takes longer because its using less fuel, the flame is smaller but this is not a bad thing. this is not a race to boil shit because you are some kind of marathon faggot and you are racing people.
and what the fuck are you talking about hot spots with no circulation? holy shit boy you are dumb water does not work like that any "cold spots" suck the energy of the warm. the energy naturally causes the water to move around and balance itself out
im sorry but i really cant let the stupidity of a post like this go whats even more stupid is the stove pictured in your post will suck ass for the pot its being used with.
picture the flame being on now picture the flame hitting the bottom and being directed out the side by the metal pot. sure the sides will be heated but this is still a 30-40% loss of heat.
you need a pot with twice the width of whats pictured to properly accommodate that flame this is one of the reasons the etek city is much better, because its a focused beam of fire directly in the center
its hard to imagine the flame being on because you will imagine it being the size of the stove, which looks about half the width of the pot but really imagine the length of the flame reaching out to hit the bottom of the pot, it extends outwards pretty far - out the sides
this is a significant loss of energy
and you are blowing small numbers out of proportion too. there is some truth about the circulation of the hot water being concentrated in one spot. yes technically this will make it heat slower but not nearly as much as you think.
if you took two different stoves, both outputting the same exact amount of BTUs and both cooking 1 gallon of water, but with different shaped flames, the stove with the wider pattern of flame will actually boil the water faster. but it will only be a 20 second difference. and this is for a gallon of water. and also is assuming there is no heat loss from the wider flame escaping out the side. which it will
>>678762 I have never had any issues with the pins being too narrow for any size pot I've used, and especially the flame being weak. I have found it to be very strong, in that I can't even turn it up all the way because it will spill up the sides of the pot.
The pins also should not be at different heights, that is insane. That wouldn't make any sense at all.
It sounds like you got a lemon when you bought it. Which is not too surprising since they are made in china for hella cheap, but what you described is pretty blatantly not a stove anyone would sell or buy.
Also unless you are using liquid fuel, there is almost no reason to have a remote style stove like that. They are relics from an older age of camping. Sorry guy, but that's what it is.
AND >>679014 You're not wrong, but come on man, be nicer. It's free.
Question: some people I know - sister and her boyfriend actually - are going to travel for six months, including a self-sustained hike in Mongolia, and they're wondering what kind of stove to take, because
>any available gas canisters are usually only compatible with really shitty stoves >finding gas canisters that are compatible with any stove you bring is hard or even impossible
Which has been confirmed by a friend who travelled extensively in Mongolia. Keeping that in mind, I recommended an omnifuel stove like pic related. Have one myself, but can't miss it that long. Are there any more related (and possibly cheaper) stoves available? I seem to recall /out/ talking about Chinese rip-offs that were decent enough.
>>679236 I've seen some chinese knockoffs of the primus omnifuel, but they were still about 80USD and so not significantly cheaper than the authentic item.
to be honest, for what they are doing, they should go for the most reliable product possible, since there is basically no chance of finding spares/replacement parts beyond what they bring with them.
the whisperlite international is fine, but heaven help them if they try to burn kerosene. they'll probably have to clean the lines every other day. there is also the worry about the plastic pump that some people break, although I've been using the old grey/black pump for years without trouble.
>>679241 Mmmm, dat whisperlite international doe. Great stove, very reliable. If >>679236 they are looking for the hardiest stove they can find though, look into the http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/stoves/rapid-cooking/xgk-ex/product It is more expensive, but it'll burn anything, including diesel you siphon out of a vehicle, and it ought to be bomb proof.
>>676189 I like Biostoves. I'll start you off by talking about the various EmberLit ( http://www.emberlit.com/ ) models. They have their standards stove and the "Fire Ant" models, all under $100.00, and I've only heard great things about these stoves. They pack flat, are easy to assemble and quick to cool after use. The regular stoves are best used with biofuels like pine cones/needles, sticks, twigs, etc. while their "fire ant" model is made to use not only biofuels but trangia/esbit spirit burners and solid/jelled fuels like Wetfire. They typically come in Stainless Steel but you can also have them made from Titanium if you're willing to pay a bit more.
>>682526 While the EmberLit is often touted as the best of those "boxy" biostoves Bushcraft Essentials and Firebox ( https://www.bushcraft-essentials.com/english/ and http://www.fireboxstove.com/ ) make some stoves that compete in quality and price. I personally wouldn't buy a Firebox, Bushbox XL or any hinged stove just because I personally would be afraid of ashes screwing with the hinges. I do like the hingeless Bushbox models excluding the Ultralight.
>>682546 If you don't mind paying a little more and having a little less room you may want to consider a gasifier. These stoves are neat because they not only are more efficient but often can be broken down to nest inside the pots/pans you cook on. The Silverfire Scout ( image related ) shows how most gasifiers works.
You can buy this stove ( http://www.silverfire.us/ ) pretty cheaply and for under $120 you can buy a kit containing the Silverfire Scout,, MSR Pot, Fire Starter, & SS Utensils! that all nest together.
The TOAKS Titanium stove the Solo stove ( http://toaksoutdoor.com/ and http://www.solostove.com/ ) are two that get a lot of praise. TOAKS not only does great stoves but have a reputation for their cookwear/utensils. You can nest a cup, your utensils and stove inside their pot/pan combo to save room and because it is all titanium they not only cool down quickly but are also very light yet sturdy. Solo stove are made using nichrome/stainless steel, are more expensive but can also nest in a pot but less accessories are available. The Solo stove does come in more sizes than the TOAKS does though and does look a bit nicer if looks are something you care about.
>>682758 yes, tin cans are lighter and cheaper, but they don;t hold up well to repeated burns, will have sharp edges where cut (unless time is wasted on a disposable stove to finish it), rapidly rust after use as a burner, and are basically a pain in the butt.
They can be used with most any alcohol stove, Sterno or wood / twigs etc. A couple wire tent stakes makes a adjustable pot stand or you can buy a ready made (but fairly expensive) option from Siege Stoves.
>>684100 >>only need to cut out a window if you want to feed it from the bottom
Actually, the window is also useful for inserting, lighting and extinguishing your alcohol stove. The window in this pic is a little too large IMO while the window in my previous pic was a little on the small side.
>>683918 >>684173 So I checked out some videos and found this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zJCzs3_QjRk&feature=youtu.be
It looks like in wind, all those holes cause a lot of heat loss. One of the main advantages of the traditional hobo stove, was that there was only vents in the top and bottom, drawing heat up and around the pot before it escaped. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great way to contain a small wood fire... but for focusing heat, I think a tin can would still work better.
>>686576 Just in general, or for a specific purpose? I usually pack some when I know I'll use it, but don't carry things I don't plan on needing.
>>686645 As I just found out. Couldn't find coke, though, so I went with frozen. It made me feel all princess-y.
I tried softening the ball in the oven to shape it and make it shorter (I have a lid). The threading deformed immediately but the ball wouldn't mold. Anybody have thoughts?
>>686651 I don't know anyone who carries those for anything except emergencies. Tree moss usually, sometimes shavings. If you need it to catch a spark, try char. You can make char from anything organic, by baking it in an altoids tin, over the previous fire.
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