Hey /out/ !
I own a small patch of forest and I'm planning on staying there for a week this spring.
I recently watched a documentary on a french regiment (13 RDP, you can get it on netflix the tv show is called "l'insider") and it got me thinking.
These guys dig hideouts and stay there for 2 weeks doing military intelligence and stuff, so I would like to do the same for shit'n'giggles, and because I'll have a week worth of time to kill. What would /out/ bring ?
The basics I have gathered for the moment are
shovel/pickaxe/small axe/saw/plastic liner.
For accomodation I have a small lake less than a mile away, I can get water there and I'll bring along 7 days of food, tent, sleeping pad, tarp, and pretty much everything to build a small shelter and basecamp, I don't intend on living in the hideout, just want to build it.
What I'd do is bring you think you'd need and wing it. If you forgot something you need, try to make it. Making things would add some fun and experience anyways.
Bring a notepad and paper and try to keep track of what you used and how much. If you used something once, or never used it, consider not bringing it for next time (unless it's something like a first aid kit. You catch my drift?)
Depending on your environment, you may not need things that others would. Watch for things such as weather conditions, wildlife and plants (not too big an issue with plants).
Worst case, you can always head on home. Just be safe and let someone know where you are going and how long you plan to be gone for. If able, even try to check in once or twice in the week.
Stagnant water are not safe. I recomand a mix of boiling and filtering.
You are going to learn how to dig if you want to do the same. I am not joking. Diging a mouse hole is one thing, digging a shelter that can house a hand of people for days, with a roof that cannot be seen is something else.
Do you even know how to build a roof over you head without leaving axed trees?
Thanks for the advise, I'll probably go there with a friend and cell coverage is good, it's not deep innawods, there's a small town less than 3 miles away.
Yeah, that'll also be a field test of my gear, I'm planning on buying a MSR filter, haven't chose yet between sweetwater or miniworks.
I already dug big holes in that forest, we played airsoft there 5 or 6 years ago and we had fox holes and small trenches. Not as deep as this hide ( 5 ft approx ), but that took some work. I don't intend to dig that cache in an hour, especially if i'm alone or with a friend, but I think 5 days should cover it.
what do you mean axed trees ? Like no sign that you cut trees nearby ?
yeah, I will try to conceal the basecamp with camo tarps, work during the day but if I have to get water or leave the cover of woods, I'll try to do that at night.
Will bump with pics from the regiment.
I think I have the trees technique figured out (the documentary was quite usefull), but the pile of dug mud is quite a mistery. Don't know if I'll have to spread it all around me or something.
Those guys seem to have a hard-on for mistery and secrecy. Par of the job to think like that I guess.
I've seen some rabbits and I know there are hunters around, so there should be game, but for now I don't have a hunting permit. I may try to get it done until then. I was also planning to test different foods while I'm out, I have MRE, french and UK combat rations, and I want to try dehydrated food.
Also, I don't know shit about plants/shrooms and everything. Might be a good opportunity to take pictures in order to identify what's available there.
good idea, as far as I can remember its thick bramble branches bushes, but I could find interesting things.
I don't think militias would be a problem, it's not remote enough, but hunters is a small concern. Don't want to end up with buckshot in my ass...
I can green text the entire experience and it was scary being chased by redneck with assault rifles. They were shooting at me and chased me for about 10 miles. It was unprovoked too. I wanted to do a STALKER Challenge with my AK-47 and camp out for a week.
> camping in Wisconsin on National Forest Land
> doing a semi stalker challenge
> want to spend a week
> do a little varmint hunting and fishing
> build a shelter and stay for a week
> take AK-47 w/ 3 30 round mags and 1 40 round
> also take Browning Hi-Power w/ 2 13 round mags
> in my pack is a Henry AR-7 for small game
> 100 rounds of ammo
> trek for 12 miles before camp next to a stream
> spend the 1st day getting to know the area
> find a small lake
> next day I go check out the lake some more and see tents, trucks and people on the other side
> channel my inner stalker and observe from about 100 yards away from there camp
> take notes of faces and routines
> go back to camp and decide not to set up my tent incase I have to bug out
> build my shelter and even dug out a fox hole for added space for the shelter
> I go out and hunt for rabbits and squirrels
> bag 2 squirrels
> I am at camp and just got done eating and cleaning up when I hear voices
> fall back to a hill not farm from my camp
> can hear "I heard the gun shots over hear"
> 6 guys in camo show up
> root around my camp
> "Someone was just here! Coals are still hot."
> they process to destroy my shelter
> one guy hangs up a note on a tree
> they leave
> I spend the rest of the day on the hill incase they are watching
> distant between my camp and there is 2 miles
> go around and do a wide circle checking for a look out
> note reads "Don't fuck with us or we'll kill you."
> I thought about just leaving right then and there but /k/ would call me a pussy
> no I must go full STALKER.
holy shit, please tell me your full stalker experience. That's creepier than skinwalker shit !
> day 4
> So I relocate myself 3 miles away from there camp in a cedar thicket on the edge of a bog
> the way to there camp and mine is just a easy walk fallowing a hill on a deer trail
> I reach the outskirts of the militia camp
> spend the morning staying out of sight but in ear shot
> the talk of the town is they destroyed some vagrant's camp
> some of the guys think they should do patrols and try and find the vagrant
> they don't want me to fuck with them, but they can fuck with me, ok game on motherfucker
> After gathering more intelligence I scout locations for a little fun
> they want to test there militia skills, wish granted
> around 9pm that night
> 1/4 of a miles from there camp
> fire off 5 rounds from my Ak into the air
> flashlights everywhere
> whole camp in on high alert
> run away giggling like a retard back to camp
> they spend the better part of 3 hours trying to find me before fucking off back to their camp
> Around 3am day 5
> fire off 5 more shots, this time on the other side of the camp
> this time they had centuries posted
> I am only carrying my Ak
> I can sprint like a rabbit
> this time I hear gun shots
> lots of gunshots
> oh fuck they are firing at me
> alright this is getting to dangerous
> run back to my camp and hunker down
> 10 am, day 5
> after a little breakfast of baked beans and check the camp one last time
> militia is on DEFCON 1
> roaming patrols
> fox holes every 1/8 of a mile
> one last job one last prank
> I let them be on edge for the day while I slept and got well rested for my final surprise attack
I understand fully how it feels to be Vietcong, simple person by day, warrior by night.
> so it's dusk on my 6th day
> militia is shitting bricks thinking they are being stalked by a nutjob with a rifle
> I am packed up and ready to make my final escape, but not before fucking with these guys one last time
> I stash my gear on the logging trail that they used to get to there camp
> I go into where some of there vehicles are parked
> amazingly they are unprotected
> go to vehicle after vehicle and deflate the driver side front tire
> as one final fuck you I put the same note they left for me on the windshield wiper of one of the trucks
> I run off back to my stuff and leave
> later that day I am at a gas station fueling up fro my return home
> several cars pull up
> some guys in camo, others in regular cloths
> all with spares on there cars and filling the air of there tires.
> I laugh all the way home
> best camping trip ever
Holy shit, that was intense ! I totally get the " game on " feeling you must have had, but I think I would have bailed when they opened on you. God those guys are paranoid as fuck and easy to fuck with !
I think i'll be packing something for my trip, even if there's a almost zero chance to encounter anyone. Worst case scenario, a poacher in the night, but nowhere close as angry militia !
food depends on if you want to cook or eat dry.
MRE's are good if you don't eat them all the time but can run up to $8 each which i mean you can survive on one a day if you aren't running around a lot or hiking more than 3 mile. Drink lots of water, i personally would use asawyer mini water filter, you can get an in line filter and cut it into a water bladder hose which makes it the easiest thing you can get. just scoop water into it and it's ready to drink. unless you plan on going through rock ditch the pick axe. you're doing this for fun and survival so try building a fighting hole and a spider hole (look up directions on both). never sleep in the same place more than two nights, never enter your camp through the same direction. pack your trash out with you. if you wanna cook good and cheap try protein bars ,energy bars, peanut butter, tortillas, peanuts, summer sausage, honey, and the such. If cooking try pasta & rice sides, instant potatoes, rice and ramen. try to pack as light as possible so you can maneuver better
staler/skinwalker here again I wanted to check back maybe answer some questions
Based on how jumpy they are they night think it was some Government Agent, poacher or illegal alien
These might be the guy who hunted me. They have an active facebook page. I have given serious thoughts of infiltrated there ranks and spreading wild rumors.
They shot in every direction, not just at me. They had no idea where I was or who I was. Only I was just as well armed and well supplied at they were.
This is the only time I ever had anything like this happen to me. I mean what are the chances a militia group decides to do there weekend excursion in of all places.
I don't mind cooking, and I'm not going there in a survival spirit, it will more be a live test of different foods, any idea is welcomed on what to pack !
Yeah, I got that part, not sure if they were trying to scare you or what, but knowing they were looking for you and using their guns is not a combo I would be happy with !
This is probably going to sound weird/stupid, but when I was a little kid and in bed well before I wanted to be or I couldn't sleep I would bundle myself in my comforter and pretend to be some "secret recon guy" hiding in a hill or like a forest debris pile spying on people/ enemy camps. Id just stay buried under the covers until I fell asleep. Surprised I didn't suffocate myself, or maybe that's why I ended up falling asleep.
they can get out, I guess they do exit at night and with great precaution. If they stay up to 15 days, it might be hard to manage not to pee. Not taking a dump in that period of time can happen (did happen to me during a military training), but I'm not sure it's very sustainable....
yeah, did the same after I watched enemy at the gates. Falling asleep like comrade vassili zaitsev is best !
I don't know if a lot of soldiers around the globe do that, or if it's just a french thing, but it's pretty badass....
I really want to know how hard it is to dig that observation post, hide it and eveything. Thank god I won't dig that hole after a 15 miles hike with their120 pounds bag on my back in the middle of the night !
I'm a bit of a loner when camping. But I really want to do another stalker challenge. Maybe Detroit.
But I think a camp/out/ in Wisconsin would be fun. Just form camps, have team challenges, try and outdo the other.
I think it was just trying to scare me off, but after threatening my life with that note I thought of the worst case scenario if they caught me and what trumped up story they would tell the authorities if they killed me in "self defense".
Yeah its unreal! Its too bad they had to gloss over how they built it in the show because of the group's "trade secrets". I could see it being made in a similar spirit to pic related.
That pic is awesome, I've been thinking about building something like that for awhile, I might get the chance to do it in about two weeks, I'm expecting to take a week to build it and I'll build it only will tools I'll carry to the location, I won't bring any building materials, well, maybe some nails, since those are light to carry. It won't be as well hid as that one but I'll build it into a hill by digging and then covering the top to hide it and add insulation. It will be mainly built out of eucalyptus because that's what I have, it if lasts at least a year or two then I'll be happy with the shelter. I've never tried anything more than a temporary shelter so it will be a cool way to test my skills and ingenuity, I'll make a shelter thread when I get back from innawoods with some pics.
m80 it's gonna take more than a week just to dig that out. it's a nightmare and not for the faint of balls.
and it's probably gonna be full of big rocks and shit and you're gon' die. also you have to make considerations so that it all drains properly and you don't get flooded-out but as long as you're digging level into a hillside it's not rocket surgery
i've had this book for like 20 years (Shelters Shacks & Shanties, by D.C. Beard) and I've lusted over the hillside hogan shelter the whole time... never successfully made one.
If you make it buy some Plastic sheeting (Its called "Vapor Barrier" where I am) To do the hill slope side so if it rains you don't get water flowing into it. Also check out
Its supposed to be a pretty good source for building into hill slopes. I've never done it before though. You may be able to find a PDF of the book.
I've got that book too, I remember another design similar to that one but for flat ground, ill see if i can find it.
i tried to make one of these twice in my life. i live in new england and you literally can't get one shovel load of dirt. every time to stick it to the earth CLANK you hit a rock. some of them you can dig around and eventually pull out, some of them end-up being a ton or worse, ledgerock. you just can't do it without a backhoe, not in my parts anyway. then there's the problem with the thing filling up with water before you're even done digging. shit i would love to have secret little underground living place like that. i toyed with the idea of using a hollow tree as a chimney to make it even harder to spot.
thanks for the link!
I'm happy I found the actual article. Rocks suck for digging I spent a summer digging basement waterproofing. Patience and a pick will get you along way but its slow working if its by hand.
>digging basement waterproofing
ugh fuck that shit!
>We'll get a backhoe tomorrow!
and then once we had dug enough
>No point getting a backhoe now, your almost done and by the way the hole needs to be 5 feet from the wall not 4 like it says in the drawings.
>they had centuries posted
Am I to understand he's talking about sentries?
so is that a window? It's not a pillbox anon
I'm happy to see posted some ideas for the design !
I'll try to post some ideas for the design I'm thinking of, but I'll keep it very simple.
BTW, I've read somewhere that a "heat trap" was a good idea to include. Do you guys have any idea what it could be ? I'm guessing it's a wall separating the entry from the "living" part of the cache. Maybe it's a square hole under the hatch so the cold air gets trapped there ?
Anyways, thanks for the advices, keep them coming !
I'm by no means trained or anything so take what I say with a pinch of salt but a very quick shelter I use everytime I go out fits the bill of what you are looking for.
Anyone that knows their stuff will see right through it but for a 30 minute shelter that will stop the average joe seeing you this is the way to go.
-Find a tree that has fallen over
-go to the hole left by roots
-chuck big sticks and other deadfall across the hole
-cover in leaves and twigs
a basic one will take no more than an hour, be relatively hidden and pretty waterproof
6 months later it's a little worse for wear but shows the structure a bit better
That's pretty much what i'll go for as a basis my basecamp for the week. The cache will hopefully be completly underground in a way you can't tell the difference from the ground.
yup, here it is on mega :
encryption key : !rbTXS1RzhqKejreQ2PR-pMUqcKY10UYS-ZraC6FYjqs
The doc is in french, but I know it's also on netflix, probably with english subtitles
I'm watching through the show on Netflix, and it has English subtitles. Is pretty good, the host has experience but physically he isn't very appropriate for all the shit he tries out, though it gets across how tough it is I guess.
Yeah, the guy has knowledge on martial arts and he's both a movie advisor and an actor, but he's noway close as the guys he's portraying. He knows it but still tries as far as his capabilities lead them, but he's not pretending to be badass or anything. Plus I like his style !
the logistics behind a fallout project with premade concrete blocks seem pretty huge. I think it would be easier to use shipping container as a basis
I agree, normally if someone isn't suited to what they're doing and act like a goof it can get annoying but he did as much as he could and tried what he couldn't and was serious when it was called for with the odd bit of humor thrown in and usually at his own expense, which makes him a great host for the show.
np... I haven't read the book yet, but I've watched some vids on youtube and he seems to know what he's talking about... He still lives in the second house he built in the 70's for $500
yeah, I can imagine, but as a basic layout and a few support beams welded on the inside + insulation, I could see this work. Plus I'm not sure simple concrete would sustain any shock without cracking and/or breaking.
Quick update :
I received my MSR waterfilter, I really like the fact that it includes a pump. I plan on using a load hauling frame like on pic related to get water in soft jerrycan and in a solar shower ( I like having some confort ) at the lake with the waterfilter, then go back to my camp, and treat the water with micropur. I drink a lot of water every day ( approx 3 liters a day), so if I'm hard working all day long, I might use that filter a lot !
also pic related is the main bag I'll have, not planning on hiking with it, but store all my things in it. Room won't be a problem....
If you dug the hole, laid concrete slab down, put the container in, and >slowly< poured concrete into the gap between the container and the dirt, one foot at a time, it would work ok.
Or if you used cinderblocks or bricks to build walls around it first, then poured concrete around that.
You'd only need to reinforce the roof then. You could use a layer of railway sleepers if they were long enough to overlap the wall or poured concrete wall, or logs, I-beams or similar, then add a layer of waterproofing and pour more concrete over the top, again in one-foot layers.
> 2 weeks in a hole for shits and giggles cuz military does it
Sure, go dig a pit, lay down. Get your shitty dehydrated food and stare in one direction for the next 2 weeks. See how fun that fucking is. After the first 12 hours I already want to kill myself.