>>662681 >Unless you hike where there are brown bears, there are no dangerous wild life in North America. Jesus fuck you're retarded.
>>662678 Make noise while you hike and camp, talk to yourself, sing along with music, have a small speaker you play your music through. Doesn't need to be deafening, just enough to let something know you're there. That's enough to keep most bears and such away unless you force them into a position where they have to be near you. IE you fucking walk up to one. Keep food away from your camp in bear bags or barrels if there's bears of mountain lions and such nearby, don't give them a reason to invade your camp. If able, get a good campfire going, most animals will stay away from smoke but don't cook at your campsite, cook where your food is. Have a separate warmth fire near your sleeping area. Venomous snakes are mostly common sense, watch where you're walking, try not to make paths through thick brush, don't walk around barefoot. Same with ticks and mosquitoes, wear your bug spray and proper clothing. And most importantly have a means to defend yourself. I will not go into proper woods without some kind of loaded firearm. If you're against that, bear spray at a minimum.
>>662682 Mountain lions aren't dangerous unless you are a child Black bears are hard to find unless they are used to people. Then they are like big, bad dogs, but harsh language and small stones will send them away.
The most dangerous animal I've run into is the mosquito, they can carry disease The second most would be small rodents. They WILL chew through your shit to get at food. Saw one guy that had his boot chewed in half. They can also carry disease
>>662688 >brown bears are the only dangerous wildlife in NA >this not being a completely retarded statement What are >moose >snakes >insects >grizzlies >things of the deer/elk family >implying mountain lions won't fuck your shit if alone >skinwalkers
>>662685 >have a small speaker you play your music through. Completely impractical
>Keep food away from your camp This is surest way to lose your food. Any black bear defense system for food is a delaying tactic only. It gives you time to get up and chase a black bear off, which if your food is far away will never happen. Seen this happen more than once.
>most animals will stay away from smoke don't cook at your campsite Bear doesn’t care. He can smell all. If you’re upwind, he knows what you had for breakfast yesterday from the smell of the poop still stuck to your butt
>And most importantly have a means to defend yourself You have an arm and there are rocks. No animal you face will have a ranged weapon
>>662693 >samefagging >>have a small speaker you play your music through. >Completely impractical No it's not. >>Keep food away from your camp >This is surest way to lose your food. Any black bear defense system for food is a delaying tactic only. It gives you time to get up and chase a black bear off, which if your food is far away will never happen. Seen this happen more than once. Pretty much every professional on the subject says you're wrong. And bears can't get into a proper bear barrel. You let them fuck with it until they get bored and leave, you never confront a bear like that.
>>most animals will stay away from smoke don't cook at your campsite >Bear doesn’t care. He can smell all. If you’re upwind, he knows what you had for breakfast yesterday from the smell of the poop still stuck to your butt That's not at all how that works and again, pretty much every professional on the subject says separate your food storage/cooking area from your sleeping area in bear territory.
>>And most importantly have a means to defend yourself >You have an arm and there are rocks. No animal you face will have a ranged weapon Now I know you're just trolling. The point of a gun is to make up for the fact we lost all our natural defenses 100,000 years ago. But please, go on and explain how a few fist sized rocks (if you can even find any within arms reach) and your arms are going to protect you from a charging bear.
>>662689 >moose Give them their space during mating season. >snakes Most snakes don’t want to bite you, just watch were you step. >insects Absolutely, see >>662687 >grizzlies Grizzlies are brown bears (Ursus arctos) >things of the deer/elk family Are you really afraid of deer? Elk can be aggressive during mating season; give them their space >implying mountain lions won't fuck your shit if alone They won’t unless you are a child, manlet, or woman. You are more likely to get shot by a hunter
>>662693 If a bear is going to find my food I would prefer if he finds it away from my camp. Unless of course you prefer to have a large carnivore wander into your camp while you're sleeping. I should also mention that I'm Canadian and grizzly bears are a thing up here
>>662699 >backpedaling this hard >muh manlets >just give them space! >never seen a deer attack someone Shit. Fucking. Happens. You're a goddamn retard if you're not at least carrying some bear spray if you're anywhere with bears, mountain lions or other large game.
>>662696 >Pretty much every professional on the subject says you're wrong. And every ranger I’ve talked to agreed. Who are these professionals? Youtubers? >And bears can't get into a proper bear barrel. They will roll it off a cliff or somewhere you will never find it. It’s happened. >you never confront a bear like that. Done it several times >That's not at all how that works I think you are confusing black bears with brown bears. They are very different. Black bears bluff charge, brown bears bluff and attack. >gun Good against people, but too heavy for my use.
>>662703 >>Pretty much every professional on the subject says you're wrong. >And every ranger I’ve talked to agreed. Who are these professionals? Youtubers? You mean the rangers that sleep in a cabin and keep their food in the fridge? I'm talking about guides. You know, the ones that are paid big money to keep you and your shit safe?
>>And bears can't get into a proper bear barrel. >They will roll it off a cliff or somewhere you will never find it. It’s happened. So don't put it near a cliff. You're supposed to tuck it under a tree or something anyway to make it harder for them to get at.
>>you never confront a bear like that. >Done it several times Then you're an idiot.
>>That's not at all how that works >I think you are confusing black bears with brown bears. They are very different. Black bears bluff charge, brown bears bluff and attack. They both attack.
>>gun >Good against people, but too heavy for my use. >I'm too much of a pussy to carry a three pound revolver to defend my life
>>662702 Shit happens to dumbasses who don’t respect wildlife. Sure, rabid or starving black bears have killed random people, but these cases are really, really rare. I’m much more likely to die in a fall and I’m not wearing a helmet while hiking either.
Australian here. Camp in the out back a lot, never had any problems. You see snakes pretty often, but they aren't really that dangerous. It's a little bit of a risk when you kill them for food since it's impossible to remember all the poisonous ones, but meh if you have a good stick it's alright.
Never came across a dingo myself, but shit loads of Kangaroos which could kill a man if they wanted to, luckily they are pretty chill. Wild pigs are a bitch, if you don't have something to defend yourself they can kill. Spiders are not a problem so long as you have hiking boots.
Crocodiles are the real risk. You have to be really careful when crossing rivers and going through certain areas.
>>662693 >his is surest way to lose your food. Any black bear defense system for food is a delaying tactic only. It gives you time to get up and chase a black bear off, which if your food is far away will never happen. Seen this happen more than once. ever hung a bear bag? or used a bear box/barrel where available?
>>662717 The worst black bear areas I've seen are the ones where the bears are in close contact with people Places where you find bear poop with energy bar wrappers in it However, there are so many other campers within a few miles, that there is always some dumbass frying fish in bacon grease, creating a super plume of food smells. Those guys spend all night getting probed and raided while I eat my ramen, or mac and laugh at their shouts
Canadian west coaster here... From my experience and just my opinion...
Need you worry about about wildlife while hiking? Statistically, probably not. Realistically and for the sake of your own enjoyment, yes, yes you should worry. You should worry enough that you hike prepared with the ability to defend yourself in the unlikely situation you arrive at the wrong place at the wrong time/become prey. I have always hiked with a rifle. Not because i plan on using it and to be quite frank, i have only had to use it once for the defence of my dog who got to curious about a black bear cub, and by proxy its momma. I carry the rifle so I can fucking enjoy the hike without constantly feeling like I'm exposed or vulnerable. We could argue about what animals may or may not due but really, if a cougar wants you dead.... your fucking dead... if you walk into a pack of wolves and you have something they want, best of luck to ya... if you cross paths with Grizzly cubs and their mo, just pray they ignore you and move along.
If you just want to enjoy your time /out/ then be fucking prepared. Thats all i gotta say.
>>662739 Black bear (Ursus americanus) = not dangerous Brown Bear, Grizzly, Kodiak (Ursus arctos) = very dangerous Some black bears will have brown fur, but they are stiller smaller and less agressive They're used to be a golden bear that was an arctos, but now it only exists on the California flag.
my first time up in the sierras it was in the middle of august so i packed like a summerfaggot not knowing how cold the nights would be.
well after a miserable freezing night of no sleep, just freeze, i was laying by the fire being hit by these warming rays of the first daylight. they were quickly turning the cold of night away which caused me to become drowsy as fuck as my enviroment became super comfy
well, as soon as i closed my eyes to rest i got this feeling and when i opened them i saw this huge blonde and silver colored 'black' bear charging down the slope straight toward me. he dissapeared when he got down to our level, there was a large rushing creek between us and him with lots of shrubbery he just dissapeared into i want down there and tried yelling at him, but couldnt see anything like he just vanished
Worked at a fish hatchery where black bears were a common occurance You did tend to ay a bit more attention to sounds and shit moving in the corner of your eye If you saw one you would just keep your space Only time I ever felt activley nervous about it was when we saw one that was estimated at 600-650 lbs Way larger then anything else we had ever seen there The guy I was working with went and got a can of bear spray from his car just in case
It's like being a 14 yearold girl in Germany. You know that you are going to get raped and no one will help you, but you also know it's your own fault for going outside into their territory. And you can't blame the rapists for living out their culture.
>>662737 I would absolutely also kill a Bear and leave the cub for dead in order to save my dog. I wouldn't like doing it but having a dog is like having a kid. If your kid was in danger you'd shoot first and ask moral questions later. If you don't see your dog like family, you shouldn't have a fucking dog.
>>662918 Ya they can be. The thing that makes polar bears dangerous is they don't give a fuck and will pretty much go where they please. Up in Churchill Manitoba, which is a famous polar bear tourist town in Canada, people dont leave town without a gun and its a local tradition to leave your vehicle unlocked in case someone needs to escape from a polar Bear because they wonder into town all the time
>>662704 I'm talking about at night when you are asleep. Having any bear black or brown come wandering in to camp while your sleeping is never a good thing. It can be avoided by stashing your food away from camp. Also this theme in the thread about black bears not being dangerous is in my opinion a dangerous way to think. Even though they are generally cowards, black bears are still unpredictable and powerful animals and should be treated as such.
If you make enough noise, most animals will stay well away from you. If a bear or something seems interested in you shout and throw shit and it will run away.
Realistically, the biggest dangers are snakes, which often try to hide rather than run so you need to be careful not to step on one if moving through thick brush and stuff where they may be hiding, or biting bugs which carry disease.e
>>662963 Dogs are independently thinking creatures with strong instincts. Even the best behaved may become curious by something they haven't experienced before such as a Bear. As I said I wouldn't enjoy it but would certainly defend my dog if need be. Are you saying you would let the bear tear your dog apart while you watch? Please don't ever own a dog or have a child for that matter.
>>662678 bears can be an issue near well-trafficked areas like yosemite and PCT, although things are better now with bear canisters and proper food disposal techniques becoming more widely adopted. This keeps bears from learning people = food, although that's still a bit of a thing. The Sierra high trail is ironically safer from wildlife than the PCT, even though you're in wild country.
What's the general opinion on carrying while out? Honestly, I feel safest having a p320 subcompact, and even though I have yet to use it it doesn't exactly get in the way when carried right.
i was doing trailwork in the Salmo-Priest basin and not once did i see a grizzly. The entire trip out we were told that the area of the PNT we would be working in was a grizzly rehab area. The deer were worse than the bears
To be honest, I have more friends who've died in avalanches than have been attacked by wildlife. I'll carry bear spray in grizzly territory during certain times of the year, but in 2000+ days I've never felt threatened or been attacked.
>>662918 Polar bears are considered the most dangerous, but the least commonly encountered. They will hunt humans for food, whereas it's not normal behavior for other bear to, it's more of a random act. A polar bear is dangerous.
>>662719 Friend of mine made the mistake of roping one. He said it did it's damndest to kill him and his horse before he could let it loose. Those little bitty deer hooves will cut you up pretty bad. Apparently, they can also bite worse than gophers.
>>663168 >>663160 Like the guy above saying how you're more likely to win the lottery than be attacked by a bear.... ... Yeah, because most Americans are fat shits or city dwellers who never go out doors
>black bears without fear of people >occasional mountin' lions >packs and packs of coytes that howl all night and encircle the camp while you sleep >bees and hornets >skunks everywhere >i carry bear spray, skeeto jacket, flashlights and hatchet to be one the safe side >tfw get lyme disease
>>663051 >you sure dont have a fucking clue as to what you're talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_High_Route People take the high route to stay away from newbs like you on the JMT There are plenty of high routes and cross country routes not infested with through hikers, the scourge of the backcountry, pic related And no, there are not bears every 2 miles on the JMT
>>663474 I was stalked by a mountain lion a few years ago, I still feel on edge when I a camp at the lake where it happened Also >I don't sleep in a hammock Tentfags crack me up when they act like a bear couldn't get at them if they wanted to
>>663472 Why can't you be civil? I'm sure your dog is a good dog, and you love him. So why would you take him into an area where there are bears, and then let him run around off leash? Do you leave loaded guns around toddlers too?
>>663480 I was reading by a lake early in the morning. Eventually got up to go back to camp and saw the hindquarters and bushy tail slinking off into the woods 20 or 30 feet away Pic related it's the lake
>>663051 ....but I like my life....and even though the PCT was established later, I would say the JMT runs through the PCT. Sierra high route is sort of a parallel route, and an excellent cross-country hike if you have the time and land nav skill by all accounts. If you have trouble with permit reservations (like I am now) it's an alternate and superior way to see the wilds.
Part of the reason why you see so many bears is because the bears who live near the path have learned humans = food, because they see a lot more humans, and instead of being like "oh shit what's that crazy smell better stay away until I know wtf it is", they go "oh that's just one of them humans, I stole a good breakfast last week lemme see what I can get if I bum around for a bit."
>hiking in califagnia >hear rustling in bush about 25 feet away >it must be manbearpig, a bear, a boar, or a rapist hillbilly >pull out knife >take a step toward >gon git me a burr today just like pappy >it tumbles out of the bush, I realize that i'm a pussy and am definitely not going to bag me a burr just like pappy >take a closer look >it's a squirrel >squirrel looks at me slowly, takes a slow step toward me >it looks drunk >it's making weird sounds >takes another step at me >back up >it charges, drunkenly, but fast >panic >kick it off to the side >it gets back up, now it's about six feet from me, and i can see foam around it's mouth >oh fuck >run up and stomp it's head >gore everywhere >take a few steps back, look at it for a bit >consider burying it, but fuck touching something with rabies >mark path and head back to ranger station >tell them what happened >they bring me back to show them >father and daughter are there, daughter is crying >dad is explaining that things die, even cute squirrels, while he looks confused I mean, the squirrel has it's head stomped in, after all. >ranger freaks out for some reason >THAT SQUIRREL HAS RABIES ARE YOU INFECTED HAVE YOU TOUCHED IT YOU NEED TO VACATE THE PREMISES IMMEDIATELY >ranger thanks me and tells me to leave >afraid of all squirrels now
>>663500 Sage advice There are 2 kinds of black bears: The wild bear, which you are lucky to see, but will find their poop on the trail The camp bear who is coming for your stuff. Rodents work the same way, except marmots AFAIK
>permit problems There some tricks around them. Have you tried chatting up the Rangers at a station instead of doing it online. They can hook you up. Where are you trying to go?
>>662678 It's really not that bad, I live in montana and regularly go hiking solo, on days I think theyre might be high bear or cougar activity I bring backpack speakers and blare triphop, electrodance, and lolicore while walking so that I dont startle any wildlife. Sometimes I even do full body singing in japanese along with the music.
Clearly this guy has no clue what he is talking about.
I'm a vet at point defiance zoo here in WA. Even the animals that been raised here since birth are still considered dangerous. This state has bears, cougars...all of which have had reports of a tracking full grown males.
Most of it has been due to the animals being startled, or felt like they're threaten...some times one will attack you for nom nom.
>>662678 Wolves aren't dangerous. Mountain lions aren't dangerous unless you're a child or womanlet. Black bears aren't dangerous. Grizzlies aren't dangerous as long as you avoid surprising them, make some noise when hiking in dense brush, and hang your food. Moose aren't dangerous unless you're deliberately fucking with them. Rattlesnakes aren't dangerous as long as you don't step on them, so watch your step.
So no, I don't take any special precautions, even in grizzly country.
If you're going to worry about something while /out/, worry about getting lost, drowning, storms, hypothermia, falls, lighting, or any of the hundreds of things more dangerous than wildlife.
I'm trying to go jmt this season southbound, there are still a lot of open slots early may. As soon as school's out, june time, everything's full. Might just be an issue with my faxes, honestly, but it's been a week and no joy. Worse comes to worst I'll just go in at Glacier point or somewhere else and avoid yosemite altogether. I'm not that particular, and if I had more backcountry experience I'd be taking the high route since I have the time.
Not saying that ive had an encounter or anything, but how would /out/ deal with a dogman? I've heard not to look in their eyes if you see one, pretend its not there and kinda just hope it goes away. Just asking though
>>663611 >Wow, one attack every 3 years, most of them on children
Just in California. I didn't check the statistics for the rest of the continent although I should have, since that's the base for the fatalities statistic. Of those 5 attacks in CA, 4 were on adults age 30 and up.
>>663762 Go ahead and check the statistics. They don't lie.
You'll still find that being stuck by lightning is more common than attacked be a cougar, that falling down in the woods and dying is more common, that dying by accidently eating a poison mushroom is more common, that more people died last year from cows than people killed by cougars in the last 75 years.
>>662678 I've spent more than 4 months of my life camping in grizzly country, hanging my food from a tree, well off the ground, away from the trunk and below the branch.
Maybe I've gotten lucky, but as I understand it, bears are scavengers and omnivores, and humans are not part of their diet. By making sure I'm not sleeping unaware between some tasty smelling food and the nearest hungry grizzly bear, I'm able to spend the night quite safely, without a gun, bear spray or other equipment. Camping around other people who might want and understand how to steal my things (or my anal virginity) makes me far less comfortable than camping near bears.
When I spend the day on foot, I make noise as I approach short line-of-sight areas, to make sure I don't surprise anything dangerous.
>>663848 >I make noise as I approach short line-of-sight areas be me >always carry a big stick >when want to make noise trash around with it >make chewbakka noises >come out of the woods >people ask me am i okay? >"did u see the big foot?" >"no i didn't see anything not even a squirrel." >"did you not heard those awful noises and trashing?" >"i sure as hell don't know what you are talking about."
>>662678 Yes. Kind of. Was in a hunting drive a couple days back (unarmed, except for a small knife) and came across pic related in a thicket of beech and fir saplings. The bastard was spooked by gunshots. I reckon I was pretty lucky.
>>663775 I cant understand all the anti gun sentiments in this thread. Yes the chances of running into an animal that wants to kill you is low but why not bring a gun? It provides safety if your not a retard, its fun for target shooting, Also keeps you safe from people
Ohio pussy here. Should I be worried about coyotes? Was camping last February and woke up one morning to tracks and the trees around my tent had been marked. Plus I've seen some that are about as big as a golden retriever.
Not who you were replying to, but check last 100 years. Most are children and women. The risk to adult males is low. Also, if you take away Vancouver island, then the risk shrinks to almost nothing.
Don't try and discredit a valid argument by nitpicking an irrelevant mistake. (Saying 20% of last 15 years vs 100 years for example, due to the extremely low rate of occurance, a larger sample is preferable) It discredits your own argument by making you look desperate. It's a common tactic used by people who have been exposed in a falsehood, and is easy to spot. Unfortunately it often works to persuade unintelligent people.
>>664093 I think in all of recorded history there has been 2 deaths by coyote. One was a 3 year old girl that died in surgery after the attack, and one was a 100 lbs 19 year old girl who died many hours later in the hospital due to blood loss.
There has been attacks, but most of them in southern California near residential areas.
I live about miles from Yellowstone. Always go hiking with bear spray and at least one other person, preferably two.
Most obvious animal threat in Yellowstone are grizzlies, but make enough noise and they will steer clear for the most part.
I've had closer run-ins with snakes and bison in the Park than bears. We had a backcountry campsite about thirteen miles down the trail and there was a grizzly about 1.5 miles prior to our site on the trail. We just clapped and he ran off.
>Be You >Has Gun >Rapist Hillbilly appears >Rapist Hillbilly sees gun >Rapist Hillbilly uses his own gun to shoot you before you can draw your own weapon >Rapist Hillbilly has his way with your corpse
>Be me >Wear helmet at all times >Rapist Hillbilly appears >Sees helmet, to busy laughing his ass off to shoot me >I headbutt him while he's laughing >Helmet protects my head during the headbutt and provides additional force against his head. >Hillbilly knocked out by headbutt >Take his gun >Shoot Hillbilly >Continue on my way as if nothing happened
>>664506 Statistically, if you take all the other ways people have died in the last 15 years, cougar attacks would be at the very bottom of the list. There are very, and I meant very few other ways to die that are more statistcally unlikely than a cougar attack.
You know when you hear about some guy having a disease that only 3 other people in the entire country have? That's more common than dying by cougar attack.
If you look at it statistically.... cougar attacks are so infrequent, it would basically be a statistical anomaly.
In North America, I really can't think of any death that's less common than cougar attack.
In the last 15 years, more than twice as many people have died from the plague, than from cougars.... the plague. Come on man, of you're scared of being killed by a cougar you really need to revaluate your priorities.
>>662699 >uncle is 6'4 and was attacked my a mountain lion >he is a Manlet now Your advice is going to get someone killed or hurt. Why don't you just kill yourself and save the trouble of giving someon shit advice?
>>662696 >Now I know you're just trolling. The point of a gun is to make up for the fact we lost all our natural defenses 100,000 years ago. But please, go on and explain how a few fist sized rocks (if you can even find any within arms reach) and your arms are going to protect you from a charging bear.
Not to wade into your shitfling contest, but grizzly bears aren't going to be stopped by most guns. They'll shrug off all but the largest bullets, and then only if you're lucky to penetrate the skull will they be brought down.
Let's be honest here, if you're arming for self-defense against a charging brown bear, you're not going to have much time to aim your rifle.
>>663624 Defend against what? The worst we have that will chase you or attack is a wild pig (which you have to look for and people go hunt legally) or a dingo. Once again, dingo attacks are almost exclusively dumb cunts who try feed them and pat them. I think we might have cassowaries too but good luck running into one. You don't just walk and next corner is a boar / dingo.
>>664981 I think it would be easier for you Aussies to eradicate your rabbit problem then it would be for the US to clear the entirety of North and South America of every mammal testing positive for rabies.
>>665052 There have been a number of wolf attacks in North America. You can even read a BC wildlife study stating the danger of wolves. Now do they happen often not really but I'd rather not find myself unprepared looking at a bunch of predatory wolves.
>>665697 >This is one of the main reasons we have guns. No it's not, it's just one of the main excuses you use to justify them. If it was a legitimate reason, then all of Canada would have been eaten by now.
>>664813 Choked by cockroach, stabbed to death by a fighting cock, bitten to death by a beaver, bodyslammed to death by an eagle ray, crushed by cow in bed probably isn't in the running because cows kill lots of people.
I've come across three cougars and seven black bear in my outdoorsing. Aside from the initial adrenaline rush from the surprise, they aren't very threatening and can be scared away (cats) or calmly walked away from (burrs).
I know quite a few people that have won the lottery (1m+) which is pretty close to statistically impossible. I know people that have been struck by lightning too. Shit can happen.
Also people go missing/disappear in the wild all the time, We can safely assume a large predatory animal probably finished them off, this doesn't become part of the statistics. Just because there's not a news report doesn't mean things aren't going on.
>>666237 Wrong, because it's not statistcally impossible to win 1+ mil in the lottery. A few hundred people a year do this.... theres something like 30 people a year in California alone. About 350 people per year in the USA are struck by lightning. Your odds of being struck by lightning in your lifetime are 1/12000.... pretty common actually.
Compare this to 3 people in 15 years being killed by a cougar in all of North America.
Now think about it this way. The recent powerball jackpot. You basically had no chance whatsoever of winning it. The odds were crazy low. Look up countless articles talking about it. Now 3 people hit the jackpot to split 1.5 billion... theres a few jackpot winners every year.
Again, compare this to 3 deaths in 15 years.
You were are likely to win the powerball than to be killed by a cougar.
>>662678 You get used to it when you realize that they are not out to get you. Yes, animals can kill, but so can my buddy when he is carrying a gun. I'm not scared of people I know with guns because I know them. When you spend time in an animal's habitat, you know them better and don't feel so insecure anymore.
>No it's not, it's just one of the main excuses you use to justify them. If it was a legitimate reason, then all of Canada would have been eaten by now.
Canadian hikers in BC often carry compact shotguns when they go innawoods. This is especially important for people who ride on horse trails and shit as grizzlies will also use those trails. A grizzlie can outrun a horse (especially a horse with a rider) and a gun is the only thing that will save you.
Gun stores in places like Mission, BC carry a decent variety of 12" and 14" shotguns. There is also Dlask Arms who is a gun maker in BC who also specialize in short barrel self defense shotguns.
Canada doesn't have SBS laws banning short barrel shotguns and they are easier to own than they are in America. Unfortunately Canada doesn't let you carry a handgun for protection from predators unless you have an occupational permit. They used to give these out to geologists, surveyors, and prospectors but they don't do that very often anymore. This is why backpacker shotguns are carried instead.
Sorry for the /k/ derail, but I just wanted to make it clear than Canadians in the wilderness do frequently arm themselves.
There are some skeptics on the "bear spray is superior" claims that the government and some biologists seem to push (and some people suspect they have an agenda). A lot of those early claims were lacking facts to back them up, especially the nonsensical claim that "50% of all bear encounters with a firearm involve the gun owner being harmed" and yet no facts ever emerged to back that up.
Depending on the circumstances I would happily use a non-lethal deterrent first. A bear on the trail in front of you that is not charging doesn't need to be shot obviously. If it is not a windy day the spray should probably do it's job and drive away the bear. The gun should be ready as a fallback though, and the gun owner should be well trained in it's use. Shot placement is very important.
Pic related was a world record Grizzly killed by a .22 at close range. The bear was almost right on top of her she she shot it.
>>665787 bitch do you know how many people i know that have been eaten in canada? like fucking 5. only three survived, not to mention the fucking million close encounters i've heard of. don't be a faggot. carry a scattergat if you're hiking.
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