>>651449 Probably lab, if you don't mind taking care of it like a child or malamute if you don't mind the independence. Labs will follow you around and be happy to just be /out/, malamutes may run off and get their own food when they see something worth eating, but may also decide not to come back.
Also have a Aussie Shepard that we think has some collie in 'im. Great dog, but stubborn sometimes. Always loved being /out/, now that he only has 3 legs and is ~14 years old it's getting harder for him though.
>>651814 Can confirm. I have a rescue pet, and its the goddamn greatest animal I ever laid eyes on. Something uncanny how some of them just "know" they won the pet lottery. It was brutal leaving with him though. it was a scene out of a kids horror movie. all the other animals were wailing, watching him leave.
>>651826 I've had a springer for years and I agree, they're excellent dogs. A bit tough to train but once you get past that they're incredibly obedient. I did have an even better dog though, from a labrador/springer breeder. He mixed both of his best dogs of each breed and we got one of the puppies. One of the most amazing dogs I've ever had the privilege to own. Did a great job at both flushing and retrieving, not scared of gun fire, loyal to the core, compact and agile. Looked like an all black 3/4 sized lab with the head of a springer (less blocky, bright green eyes). I really want a malinois now but not sure how good they are with hiking in rocky areas.. I'm not sure they're very sturdy.
My brother lives in the Yukon, access by plane or pack animals only, a permanent /out/ guy He has a bunch of Timber-wolf/Coyote, Husky/German Sheppard mixes They are very dark, very big, and very quiet I would love to have one, but he claims, they would not do well in "civilized" areas, he has invited me to join him Living in the middle of nowhere with just him and a bunch of Wolf-Dogs and no women, is not on my current list of things to do
>>651682 Nope, this was on the way up Pike's Peak in CO over this past summer. She is a 5 year old rescue I've had for just over a year. Absolute best /out/ dog imaginable. Never needs a leash, and NEVER leaves my eyesight. Your dog is beautiful! I can only hope my girl will grow to be that old.
>>651944 >better to be around than women I think you mean better to live with. I love hanging with girls, but the day I wake up to a bitch nagging me to not drink so much is the day I put both barrels between my teeth.
pro's for small dogs >they fit in your tiny 1 person tent, or even fit directly in your sleeping bag to provide much needed warmth and amazing comfort >they eat less (only a pro if you're carrying their supplies and do not own a doggy saddlebag for them to carry)
cons >they wont protect you worth of shit >many small dog breeds are not the offensive and protective type, meaning there is no perimiter which instivtivly tells other animals to fuck off (its a predator thing) >they wont raise alarm if they dont give a shit. smaller breeds are prone to this >you have to worry about them being eaten by coyotes which are fucking everywhere
pros for large gods >they can carry twice their fucking weight in gear >coyotes wont fuck with them, even in large pacts, because at least two of them will get fucked up with fatal injuries. your large dog is not worth this kind of fucking shit to a coyote >they wont allow anything living to step within 50 yards of your perimeter without you knowing about it >black bears fuck off - bitch >will typically not fall prey for mountain lions too >general comforting feels knowing you are much safer >would chose dog over gun, and it would be a very easy choice, by a mile >dog is also amazing at catching small game
cons >wont fit in your fucking tent, but if he does, he only provides much more warmth than a small dog would
>>652500 She barks as fuck as soon as something approaches (mostly human) We don`t have coyotes here, only smallish jackals. Black bears (or any bear) is the rarest sight of all. Only real danger is when wolves come down the mountain during winter and they must be hungry as fuck to mess with humans.
>>652120 Depends on how cold it gets, though. If you like to go /out/ between November and April then a RR might not cut it if you live somewhere chilly and if you live somewhere that's wet as well then a lab or a poodle or something else resistant to freezing to death might be a better bet.
yeah dont get me wrong, little dogs can bark, but they dont have that field domination. its a presence which is only obtained by size and strength. its like a magical control of its surroundings simply by being there. it effects the way other animals behave without any direct intervention. its strange but true, a problematic animal will not even choose to cross your path and its actions which effect the direction it travels would even resolve differently have you a large well-raised dog.
there are plenty of smaller dogs who yap, but out of all the dog breeds, the ones who are not as dominant or useful tend to be the smaller breeds
>>654213 >There's people who believe there's a breed of dog that can fight a wolf They can fight, that doesn't means that the dog will kill the wolf. The same way you can fight Zydrunas Savickas, almost sure you will die but you can fight him.
>>654326 This. As warm-weather doges they're great but for colder and/or wetter weather you need a doge with more built-in insulation. A poodle, fluffy mutt or Norwegian Elkhound is probably a better bet if you live innanorth.
>>654385 I'm sure you bring plenty of gear and clothing /out/ for your own survival and well-being anon. Don't leave your pupper out. And let's not be a complete cunt okay? It's the holidays for chrissake.
>>654489 Why the Fuck would anyone stay where it's over 110? My dog has never had trouble in the heat, Arizona, New Mexico, California desert land, but I don't have her sit out in the sun all day without water either. We have done negative temps a bunch and been fine.
>>651449 Vet tech here: Germ shep- best jack of all trades master of none. Get one at least Basset or bloodhound-best tracking Great pyrenese- awesome at land protection and animal management Poodle-best for faggots Pits- urban deterrence and bite strength Doberman- home protection Chow-dumbest most bittiest fuckers ever.
Ask about your breed and chances are ive seen thousands of that type. I will give you the breed highlights.
>>654518 >>654518 Cute sausage dog. Not /out/ perfect. Good for jumping tricks and being human pleasing >>654519 Ridgeback- dont whip them for being bad boys. Theybtake it personallly and it Will fuck up their entire life.(daddy issues). But good for fucking /b/ whores Malamute- beast mode husky. Often comfused with them.very sweet. Prob great for pack weight. Donke
>>655049 He was a little bit excited to see the snow >>655362 First teach them to not jump on or run up to strangers on the leash Then walk them off the leash away from strangers Then walk them off the leash near strangers
>>655885 I'm friends with a women who literally lives in a cabin she made herself in the woods of Alaska. This is her companion. She actually met the dog by chance on the PCT. They've been buds every since. So this is definitely the /out/est of doges in my opinion
>>656863 >>656878 >>656880 Thanks guys, shes such a treat. She loves to chase kangaroos but she has a good recall so it doesn't bother me so much! Best out buddy, sometimes I have to carry her down steep hills though, I would feel terrible if she slipped.
wolves are pretty big desu. There's a story about a wolf in alaska that used to come down to the park where everyone would walk their dogs and mimic the dog behaviour. Used to play with other dogs and bring people sticks to play fetch with.
>>658442 I'd say a bird would be pretty unconventional, but you'd need an amazing bond with it to keep it under control I would think. It probably just wouldn't be possible.
There's a guy in my town who goes everywhere with his bird, he seems a bit off mentally but he's a nice enough guy. Always hangs out with this 6'8" guy making these cool walking sticks on their porch. That house always smells like amazing Caribbean food.
I would for sure pick the caucasian shepherd , a truly massive dog but loyal and there are no serious genetic illnesses , this breed is used in russia for bear hunting, would provide serious defence and has a warm coat
My border collie is wonderful. She loves going out with me. As soon as I put my boots on she gets so excited. She's very smart, it only takes a few repetitions for her to learn something. Also they're only about 35 lb. Not too small, not too big.
They're supposed to be very reliable off leash but I haven't tried yet. Don't wanna lose my dog.
>>660750 Long leash training and recall. Especially a dog like that, she is smart enough to know she can't survive on her own and if trained correctly, knows every time she comes back she gets a chicken treaty.
I love my sausage doggie she's /out/ as fuck. Muscular little legs keep her hiking all day keeping pace with me. Doesn't eat enough that it weighs me down. She's tough and alerts me if anything approaches my camp, and loves being outdoors.
We go hiking every single day but they still manage to maintain ~130 lbs. I've started to give them minimal canned food (1/2 a can each a day) and they don't eat that much dry food anymore. Hopefully they will start losing some weight.
Anyway, the chocolate is a big goof ball and the golden is a super serious alpha male. He's extremely territorial around other animals but around humans he's sweet. Great dogs.
>>660750 My border collie mix starts to howl when I put my hiking boots on or bring out my shotgun to load in the truck. She's a self taught bird hunter...better than a lot of the "bird dogs" my friends have
So everything I've read online says that border collies are pretty much rocket scientists and that they are incredibly difficult to train. I've had family dogs my whole life but I've never had my "own" before now that I live with my gf. How hard are they to train? What should I expect if I get one? Are they okay to adopt or is it important to have a well-bred one? Thanks for any info.
>>667359 It's not so much that they're difficult to train as the fact that they're too good at learning; you can teach them to do all of the basic things that you want from a dog in less than two weeks but if you don't keep them busy either doing complex work or learning they tend to develop of bad habits.
>>651826 For about 6 months in the town I live in, there was an outdoor/tactical equipment store. They moved in from nearby major city where business was bad;their business was called F.E.W HQ with an armadillo as their mascot The owner was former special forces,running the store with his wife and owned two black and white dogs one of which was a springer spaniel named Doc.The owner took them hunting occasionally and brought them to the shop everyday, the springer spaniel loved people while the other smaller dog barked at everyone and ran away. When parents came with their children to browse they would play with the spaniel;his favorite game was hockey and he always had some piece of trash like a broken clothes hanger or length of paracord(they sold 550 in all sorts of colors, on the cheap too). He was always waiting for someone to kick or bat around whatever he had that day in between the shirt racks or across the room so he could bring it back. Unfortunately, the shop closed when according to the owner people weren't coming in to pick up their orders(they took orders from a magazine that supported over five hundred brands)but I think it was really because the owner wasn't that likeable. Miss both those dogs
>>654515 Ive got a Labraheeler, very energetic and hyper but he is about a year old so it makes sense, Hes a sweetheart. And also an asshole. I love him. He has a heeler brain but often his lab retardedness shines through.
>>667359 You NEED to have something for them to do. We have around 25 sheep and our border collie absolutely loves herding them when we take them out to the fields to graze. If they get bored, which they will, they will find jobs of their own and start excavating a side of your house or herding kids and other dogs.
They need a lot of love and attention, they can get depressed if you don't treat them with praise and respect.
>>667952 Are there any inside tasks I could give the dog during the winter months? I live near the country but there aren't any livestock for it to herd if I were to get a border collie unfortunately. Honestly I'm just looking for a great hiking and running buddy that can handle moderate summers and snowy winters (indianafag). Taking recommendations and, optimally, reasons for said breed. It's pretty much a tie between the border collie and German Shepherd from what I've seen online. I'm starting to learn towards the GS because they are similar to the based border collie but a little easier for a newish owner.
Got to vote for a Lab, total bias as I have one but they make such gteat /out/ dogs, they just love everything about it. Great water seekers, if there's water to be found, you'll find your Lab in it. Can't praise them enough, such happy and gentle dogs.
>>667849 They can be great out dogs, but you might need to get them a coat as some of them really feel the cold. Also, a collar is useless for them, so you need to walk them on a harness when they're on the leash.
>>651826 Yes there is, when they get old they get aggressive and will attack other dogs without provocation. This is not just a problem with the springers ive met, its a probem with the breed. Its called "Springer rage syndrome".
I had a mutt from the shelter that was a bro. However, the smell of rabbits drove him crazy. He'd always come back, though. That crazy hound was able to climb trees
>>667359 They are difficult to train in the idea that they will try very hard to find ways around your rules, like a smart-ass kid. Let's say you are training him to not chase the chickens. Well, then he finds other ways to rile them up like barking at them. Train him not to bark at the chickens, then he is jumping next to them to get a rise out of them. Train him out of that, and now he is doing something ridiculous like pushing logs into the pen to scare them. They also have a tendency to pick up on small cues we don't recognize, and may associate that with a command. For example, let's say your dog barks on command to "speak", but when you say speak, you also twitch your hand. Now the dog barks at every hand twitch thinking it will get a treat.
Not all Border Collies will display that behavior and that behavior isn't unique to Border Collies, but it is very common due to their intelligence.
>>662583 Yes, and I pay $300 more than my neighbors because of it. Shitty apartment, shitty neighborhood, and I can't find anywhere else to live because >big dog
>>654447 >not finding a stray dog a and stealing the dog and all her pups
>>651884 The number 1 reasons dogs are surrendered to shelters are because the person is moving, followed by landlord issues, followed by financial reasons. This makes up more than half of surrender cases. On average, animal shelters receive less than 1% of animals from court cases, which would include beating, dog fighting, neglect, fucking, etc.
If you are trying to say people get shelter animals for that reason, it doesn't happen often because 1) animal shelters have lists of people to not adopt out to and 2) Craigslist is a lot cheaper for an animal you are just going to use and toss
>>668918 Do you mean this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_syndrome
>>671025 they're hard to come-by. it's hard enough to find groves of them, but a larger forest-sized stand is even rarer. there are at least groves in NH/Maine, Alaska, and Eastern and Northern Yurôp. they do well at the edge of the woods or as groups of saplings in a clearing or field, but as the rest of the forest grows-in around them they tend to die. they just aren't as robust and don't compete with other species well. I would love to find an old-ass/old growth stand of white birches.
the birches in my woods are all fairly young and probably about one dies per year (disease, uprooting in a storm, etc)
>>671894 Can confirm, I have a 3 yo golden lab, we can be out all weekend, get back at 6 on a sunday and by the time ive cooked and eaten hes looking at me like its time to head back out. Only downside is they love water, and look at you like your a bastard when you leave them in the porch of your tent instead off letting their sodden self snuggle up with you in the tent. Also lab retardedness is a thing, i have to be careful because mine would actually jump into a gushing swollen river, or chase a stick over a cliff if I wasnt paying attention to where i was throwing it. Its not that hes unintelligent, he recognized my gun and got excited before i even started his retrieving training, and he his an A grade gundog, its just he goes full retard completely at random
Just gave him a bath. It's so funny because right after I dry him off, he gets in this crazy mood and wants to run around and play for half an hour. Just got done chasing him around and he's ready for a nap.
>>674970 It's common in a lot of hunting dogs. Many have long tails the catch on brush and get cut up pretty badly.
Her parents were show dogs, but for what ever reason as a pup she didn't make the grade or the proper coat color. Being an oddball she cost half the price, and I trained her to be a hunter over a showgirl.
>>652120 Houston is the best dog I've ever owned by a mile. Got him at a shelter, he was found with his brother in a warehouse, he definitely has some other mix in him he's not pure Rhodesian. He's a little older than 10 now, so he's mellower than he was as a pup. But he still guards the yard from any and all squirrels/birds. Active and runs around outside but inside he goes into zen mode and I call him yoda. Hes pretty good keeping up on long hikes and can go for long distances over a short time. Kept up when I used to do mountain biking as well.
My three options for an /out/ dog would either be pic related , an Irish wolfhound, or believe it or not a jack Russell terrier. Pic related can travel for miles with ease, in any terrain. Irish wolfhound is all weather friendly, great with younger companions, but short life span. Jack Russell is a big dog put into a small dog. Great tracking abilities, easy to train, fast and agile but small. Can fight off things only close to its size but very ferocious to say the least.
>>665988 Some guy who posted this. My dog is 60 lbs. What is the best pack for her? I'm looking for something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Lifeunion-Saddle-Backpack-Tripper-Camping/dp/B011T6P92C/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1454383671&sr=8-4&keywords=dog+pack+orange
>>679029 >Here's an interesting question, what are the LEAST /out/ dog breeds?
The toys. Pretty much every other breed of dog was working outside until at least the last century (many still are, especially in the less developed corners of the world) and even if they've been inbred horribly the instinct and hardiness still remain. Although I will add that giant breeds are often ill-suited to walking all day.
>>679029 You would think so, but my dog is actually really good at being outdoors and he's only like fifteen pounds. He's the best to go kayaking with since he doesn't take up room and just chills in or on my kayak. >>678983
Bear Bait. The little shits are small and cute till they run off and piss off a mother Grizzly. Then the little piece of shit will sit there whimpering and watching while the bears eats you alive, feet first.
>>679194 Here's a pic of a grizzly cub that I took. My dog wasn't with me, but she does bark at bears.
I wouldn't be afraid of her getting killed by a bear because she's one of the fastest little dogs I've seen. I've only seen her outrun by whippets.
As far as her attracting a mother grizzly's attention to me in a life-threatening way, it's possible. I don't live my life based around avoiding rare scenarios though, not if it impinges on my enjoyment and experiences. If it happens I'll deal with it as best as I can, just like anything in life.
>>654214 bro, im not talkin shit but...someone with good technique could crush mr strongman in 30s. no doubt he could snap your back in half but its all about leverage, just like in arm wrestling. Its freaky how fast a person whos been trained can turn tides in grappling matches. fun as fuck though. lol
>>653414 Mine is the larger sub-breed of standard and weighs 70lbs. Not a small doge by any means. With all the long limbs and fur they look even bigger.
>>654515 >Poodle-best for faggots Only non-standard poodles are for faggots. They're great for long backpacking trips and there's no better dog for duck hunting. She moves through a swamp like no other dog I've owned
>>651507 This would be the dog I'd take if I wanted something to be alert at my camp or carry heavy loads. My mother had one; pure, and I remember waking up one morning to see her ( the dog, 10 in human years at the time ) completely soaked in blood and gnawing on a deer it had dragged back home. She'd only chain her when her pup was outside too so they wouldn't run off with pack mentality together but by herself she'd walk about two miles to the lake and back every day.
>>653059 >>653414 Poodles/Laberdoodles are surprisingly scary but surprisingly smart. A person could do much worse. A Weimaraner is more up my alley if I'm going to be in a well-rounded climate.
>>653905 So true, one of the better choices a person could make.
>>679983 xD Fuck! I had to read this in school ( somewhere between grades 3-8 ) and cried at the end. Good book, would read again.
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