>>650518 1) golf fucking rocks. Getting on a course is the closest a lot of people get to nature. Stop hating on them 2) not your fucking forest faggot. > half That leaves half for you to play. Stop being a whiny little child and learn to share. 3) Learn to play golf, then you can still use 100% of "your" forest
I live in a rural town, it's all woods and farmland. The tallest hill in town has been a farm since around 1690. It's behind my parents' woods. They own several acres of forest (with the neighbors all owning several acres as well) and this large hilltop field abuts the back of all of our land, with a stone wall separating it from the forest. I think it's about 25 acres cleared. The farm itself is long gone but a farmer still owns the land and comes and hays it once or twice a year.
My childhood was filled with adventures in the woods, and when we were old enough to explore all the way back to the field it was like a rite of passage. That old stone wall, laying there in the shadows, overgrown, covered in vines. It's hard to even see out into the field during summer because the brambles and vines are so thick at the edge. Old trees of cider apples grow feral in the thicket beyond the wall, too deep to even sample an apple. This is what made the field itself so great. It was hard to get to, and when you did, the world opened-up into what seemed like an endless green pasture with the biggest sky you could ever get to see in New England. The view from the top was amazing, especially for a kid. The slope down the opposite side would grow acres of milkweed in the fall and we'd spend the day out there having wars with milkweed pods, throwing them at each other until someone got the juice and their eye and cried.
I move a lot as an adult. In one city or another, around the US and overseas, but every few years I come back when I'm between things - jobs, moves, etc. I get back into camping and enjoying the woods before my family sells the property. I still walk out on nice days and follow the stonewall, fight through the prickers and walk around the field and enjoy the view from the top. Even as an adult I throw a few milkweed pods, despite the fact there's nobody there to thrown them at. I still love the vines, the sky, the forbidden apples.
A couple weeks ago a tractor appeared in the field. So did a few large dump trucks. I took a walk out to snoop around the wall and take a look. The field has been marked-out with dozens of pink survey ribbons. The corner of the field near where the road passes was getting dug-up, and they were laying a large gravel driveway leading in from the street. For sure it's been sold and a cul-de-sac neighborhood is going in. Probably at least 10 shitty mcmansions full of yuppy perverts and immigrants and their kids could fit in there. Not only will it ruin the field, but then my woods would become someone else's back yard. The stonewall wouldn't stop them. It's horrible.
Well, /out/, after much research and coming up with nothing, I asked one of our town selectmen. The farmer sold the land alright - to another farmer. He's putting in an orchard. No houses, no neigborhoods, no immigrants, no perverts. Just apples and bees and a gigantic blue sky. Feelsfuckinggoodman.
>>651730 Why did you include >>651627? He clearly stated he was from NY, which is in the US. The US has no freedom to roam statutes because we don't allow our government to infringe that far on the landowner's rights.
>>651623 They don't bother me a bit. Nor do windfarms in the distance.
>>650518 First thought your comment brings to mind: If half of it made one golf course, it wasn't really a forest. Second thought your comment brings to mind: If it was yours, you didn't have to agree to have the course built. Landowners have rights. Third thought your comment brings to mind: You're like a welfare bitch pissed off her benefits got cut because you're insolent, thinking welfare (use of woods owned by someone else) is some kind of right, possessive of someone else's property, and mad because what you used to get for nothing is being taken partly away.
>>650518 I feel you anon. Big parts of the forest I am using got destroyed by a storm years ago. The lumber got chopped up and transported away. The paths left by the forest workers are now filled with people taking a walk and throwing their trash on the ground. I've build my campsite at a spot which ist sorrounded by thick brush and young needle trees in order to keep it hidden. I have to fucking crawl there.
>>651737 >infringe that far on the landowner's rights
Your use of the word "infringe" here is interesting from my point of view. I'm from sweden, and here that would rather be an infringement to the general populations right to visit nature. It's all a matter of perspective I guess.
>>651764 In the US, landowners have the right of "quiet enjoyment" of their property. So does a lessee. Those rights are codified differently in different states. Texas has several provisions regarding property and what other people and lower levels of government can and cannot do with your property. For example, no trespassing signs every so often make it a crime to enter the land for any reason. Purple stripes at least 1 inch wide and 12 inches long painted on fence posts serve the same purpose. If you owned your land before it was incorporated by a city, and you have at least 10 acres, the city can in no way restrict your right to shoot guns on your land provided the bullets stop on your property. The list goes on, that's just a sample.
Before someone takes what was written above and makes some extreme argument out of it, I'll clarify something. Yes, you can shoot your guns right at the edge of your 10+ acre tract at 2:00 AM even if there's a city ordinance against it if you meet the timeline requirements of the law. Your neighbors who build a house 50 feet from the property line knew this and just have to live with it.
>>651764 Who cares about Sweden. You have a fucked up country. Enjoy your top of the list rape statistics and boats loads of immigrants coming into the country and getting free luxury housing in "prison".
>>650518 >local road is being expanded to allow more traffic >two new wal-marts where the woods use to be >"nature" trails everywhere Concrete pathways and restrooms does not a nature trail make. >Apartment complexes taking place of trailer-parks
>>650518 Ignoring the derailing claptrap about immigrants, I'm sorry to hear that about your predicament,OP. Some assholes recently destroyed 20 acres of prime meadows and old-growth maple forest that I spent a majority of my childhood playing in. I can only take comfort in knowing that the land will eventually become wild again in the far future, once the descendants of these worldeating capitalists have no more oil to power their machinery. Their disconnection from the lands they live on will be their undoing, even if most life is swallowed into their iron stomaches and homogenized into domestic animals, enclosed land and miserable people. This machine will fall.
>>652001 As well as that many years of forcibly defending our borders against the same people you now want to let in by the tens of millions. People who try to appeal to history to justify allowing total demographic replacement are pretty goofy considering we had a quota system that would make most modern people faint. Really it's best to leave topics like this to informed people.
>>652110 >claims to be informed >uses childish hyperbole like '10 trillion refugees' >your country was built by refugees >irony of a neo-liberal capitalist country telling people they don't have the right to move to where the best chance of employment and innovation is >majority of our refugees are not 1940s sequence Japanese or German so unsure of your sentiment toward 'the ones we fight our boarders with
Stay informed, bruh. Im all for reasonable discussion about the advantages of globalisation and the disadvantages that can come from poor immigration programs, but lol you are stupid. Stop towing the party line, I think you'd be a really smart guy/girl if you used that brain to critically think.
>>651627 You can't own forest, honey. When I found out the lake near my home was being purchased and turned into a private resort, I dumped some rotting animals in the water, because if I can't swim there, nobody can.
>>651623 Not too much. I mind powerlines much either. Powerline cuts through the woods make great bird habits, since birds like the edges of forests. And those metal lattice tower things look kind of cool.
>>650518 breed skunks in a cage and beat them so their mean then when their at a large population release them onto the golf course. you may not be able to go back for years due to rabid skunks that viciously spray anything in their path but neither will the golfers
>>651768 All land in a country is owned by the sovereign state. "Private land" is a grant by the sovereign back to individuals, corporations, or lesser governments, which carries with it different rights and responsibilities. "I own it, it's mine, nobody can touch it!" is not part of the Swedish model of land ownership. Nothing is being infringed.
>>652111 Stop calling everything that doesn't conform with your selfish attitude communism. We are destroying our planet with greed. He's not saying that we need to put up the old hammer and sickle everywhere, he's saying that the unsustainable and destructive manner that a great deal of the world operates under will be our collective undoing. The natural world cannot compete with our current demands.
>>655149 >Natives here worked with nature instead of mindlessly exploiting it. You know this is basically a myth right? There are native tribes that literally burned down vast tracts of forest and field for hunting. Some pacific tribes would literally have contests to see who could destroy the most private property to show off their wealth. There are tribes that were known to kill dozens of buffalo and take only their tongues, leaving everything else to rot. They are now discovering that indigenous tribes altered the entire amazon basin is vast ways.
There were a lot of native tribes that mindlessly exploited nature just like the evil white man. But it is far less noticeable because they were fewer in number and far less technologically sophisticated about it.
But the whole peaceful natives living with nature is largely a myth.
>>655151 >Burning down huge tracts of forest for hunting. Yes, because it allowed grasses and brush to grow, which not only naturally attracted game animals by providing more space for them, but pine forests use fires as an important part of their lifecycle. Pinecones open and release seeds when burned.
>Killed dozens of buffalo and took only their tongues. It wasn't just tongues. Most of those fields of buffalo carcasses where stripped of fat and an equal (though small) amount of meat for making pemmican. And why? Because white trappers were buying it up by the assload. There were plenty of buffalo to go around until we assholes got here.
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