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I want to give a bear spray to my brother for Christmas and maybe you could give me some advices.
First: he is a nogun living in Commiefornia, so forget about it.

Google told me I should get one with more than 8 ounces of product and a spraying distance of more than 25 feet.

What is the difference between a deterrent and a repellent?
What is best to stop a bear that decided that you are a threat?
Are Counter assault, Alaska Guard, frontiersman and pepper spray the only trademarks that make them?
Which can most quickly be used? How many time does it take to get it out of the holster and to remove the safety?
Is there any chance there is live tests on youtube?


Also, feel free to share your experiences in bear encounters.
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>>646968
>he is a nogun living in Commiefornia, so forget about it.

If he can't survive in the woods he has no business there. A firearm is the only safe way to stop a large predatory animal from killing you. Black bears, the most abundant bear species in america, only attack humans when they're really hungry, so safest way to stop them is to make sure it can't eat you.
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>>646977
And shooting a single bullet in the general direction of the bear with a bolt action hunting rifle while you shit yourself is not going to do that.
On the other hand, creating a wall that deactivate its eyes and lungs...

Now, I don't want to buy him a gun since he will probably not like it and it would be legally complicated, so can we get back to the topic?
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>>646968
all pepper sprays are basically the same
pepper spray is good to have if you don't want to kill bears
also always have a staff. staff is like the mark of a true wizard for bears man with a staff is not to be messed with. sometimes even a stick will do.
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>>646985

Plenty of ppl have one shot a bear...you know why? Cause they actually trained with their gun. So why not go do the same? Not that hard, have no excuse to carry a gun. Plus it's cali, you got a chance of stumbling onto a grow site. So that alone warrants the reason to carry there.
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>>647005
why so you can raid their plantation?
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>>647005
Plenty of people have shot a unsuspecting bear after taking all their time to carefully place their bullet in a lung and they will tell you that he ran away for more than a minute. A bear that charge you while you are the one caught unaware is another deal.

>>647002
Thanks for your input.
So I should focus on range, and the practicability of the holster?

I think one single wooden walking staff is better than two walking plastic/carbon sticks but apparently, we are the outcasts.
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>>647009
i prefer real wood something with a whack and a sharp point if needs be.
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>>647019
some people take it to the next level and put a hidden bayonet in their staff making it a short spear.
most certainly would discourage a bear.
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>>647009
>I should focus on range, and the practicability of the holster?
just make a custom release like spidermans webshooter only it shoots pepper from your wrist
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>>647032
This would be cool, but if I make it wrong, the bottle will just explode.
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>>647036
nah unless you throw it in fire no chance of that
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>>647036
you should carefully cut the top off the spray can with a knife and pour the liquid into a flat stainless flask, that has a co2 canister compatible pressure valve. rest is just the right tubing and aerosol head.
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>>647009

Your own fault for not be aware. You shot the bear..now you got to follow the bear. You know it is dead or injured so you should still keep your guard up. Only a dumb ass would think it is alright, just go strolling after it.

I been beer hunting (all sorts of other hunting) for the last 36 yrs (53 now) never have I let my guard down until I knew for sure it was dead.

So plz, if you have more experience than I, educate me. Right now you're sounding like a lil faggot who never hunts.
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>>647070

Bear...beer hunting is fun too.

Also AR 10 has been the best rifle I've hunted with. Love .308
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>>647006
>raid their plantation
No, you idiot. The farm hands have guns and generally assume that anyone in or near their field is there for the same purpose you implied. Not that having a fun would help. If they see you first, they have time to line up a shot. If you see them first, you have time to duck back outta sight.
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>>647074
so basically guns wouldn't help one bit
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>>647074
when is murrica gonna finally legalize marihuana so this nonsense stops?
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I hear air horns are a decent SUPPLEMENT (not replacement) to bear spray. Of course it might just piss it off even more, I've never seen it used myself.
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>>646968
>Is there any chance there is live tests on youtube?
let me youtube that for you
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>>647079
as soon as they can set it up so their corporate cronies monopolize the market.
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>>646985
>Bolt action rifle
10mm pistol, friend.
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>>647256
>10 mm bolt action rifle friend

Wtf is anybody still shooting that when .460 Roland?
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>>646968
I carry UDAP. I researched the topic intensely before I bought it and decided it was the best option.
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>>647079
Hopefully, never. We got enough stupid going around.

>large longitudinal study conducted in New Zealand, which found that frequent and persistent marijuana use starting in adolescence was associated with a loss of an average of 8 IQ points measured in mid-adulthood.26

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/how-does-marijuana-use-affect-your-brain-body
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>>647292
>www.drugabuse.gov
Nice unbiased source you got there. Any preexisting viewpoint can be reinforced by research, didn't you know? That's the concept behind term papers.
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>>647078
In the situation of inadvertently stumbling into a grow operation with no intent to steal the crop? No, not really. On the other hand, neither would bear spray.
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>>647310
So people just growing pot would shoot you? That's fucking crazy, you'd expect that shit from opium or coca growers. I hope one day they start a bounty on drug dealer/grower/user scalps
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>>647312
I doubt the actual growers would. People hired to guard the field might. Lots of folks take their jobs seriously. That said, there is no difference in the eyes of federal law between pot and other (potentially more dangerous) drugs. It's bullshit, but there you have it. Now stop trying to derail the thread, this is supposed to be a discussion about bear spray.
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>>647292
>>647309
i knew a guy who was heavy pot user
seems legit to me he got stupid and distracted and developed weird habits
after a while i couldn't bear to watch
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>>646977
This. Watch that video of the bear eating the chick with the super annoying voice's kayak. Bitch pepper sprays the bear and it snorts and goes back to its shit.
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>>647443
well it was a mace she used effective up to 3 meters if no wind tops she sprayed from out of range and it was not effective.
no bear would scoff it off if you really get them in the face with mace tho. unless they are mutants. 1 in a million chance of that.
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>>646968
I made a thread to speak about offering a spray ad a gift for Christmas, /out/ answered with guns and drugs. What is next? Whores? Bear escorts?

>>647443
>>647602
I saw it. The bitch sound like a wounded animal and should care less about a fucking kayak.
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>>646968
Bear spray in California is pretty useless. The bears won't bother you unless you're not storing your food right.

I don't know what your brother is like but if I got bear spray as a gift or anything related to defending myself against wildlife, I'd be pretty disappointed.
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>>647727
>Bear escorts?
large dogs are not bad they will warn you a lot sooner than you can spot a bear they will tie down the bears attention so you can get away maybe even scare it away if there is more than one of them
>bitch sound like a wounded animal
not the best idea for sure
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>>647602
>1 in a million chance of that.

That won't bring the girl back from the dead, now will it. Face it, in a ridiculously stressful situation no one is 100% level-headed. Having a deterrent like mace, that only works in specific circumstances is a bad idea.
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>>647262
I did it too and reached the same conclusion.

Range is not an issue. 30, 32 or 35 foots is the same, especially when they don't tell you what size is the cloud at the end.
Get one with 2% capsaicin, it increase the chances that you get maced too, but after one use it will be almost depleted and the chances that the bear come back are small. If you want a spray that will give you two safe walls, go for the Guard Alaska 9oz.
A strong and short spray is best if you know what you are doing, but since you are not an expert at using it, a spray that last long will reduce your chances to deplete it at the first use.
Basically, we can reduce the number of interesting variable to two: the size of the can (proportional to the weight and the price, just sayan) and the debit of the spray.

So, here are the numbers of the most popular brands:

Counter Assault
8.1 oz; 1.1oz/s; 50$
10.2oz; 1.1oz/s; 60$

Frontiersman
7.9 oz; 1.5oz/s; 40$
9.2 oz; 1.8oz/s; 45$

UDAP
7.9 oz; 1.9oz/s; 45$
9.2 oz; 1.7oz/s; 50$
13.4 oz; ?oz/s; 60$

I will go for the UDAP 7,9oz, even if it last only 4 seconds.
I just want to check what holster is the more practical before.

Now, a trick that I just found: if the bear is 50-60 foot away and teasing you to see if you have something to show, make a pschit. The sound that sprays make happen to be the kind of sound that scare them, and at the same time he will see something big moving in his direction very fast. Chances are that he will stop here.
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>>646968
>living in Commiefornia
i thought they exterminated bears there
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>>647827
lol you do realize that rounds are way more prone to failure than mace right?
also always carry a knife, problem solved. it won't be pretty but works well.
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>>648176
>lol you do realize that rounds are way more prone to failure than mace right?

So that's why forest rangers carry mace instead of guns then, i guess?

Oh wait, they don't
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>>648253
i bet they carry everything from mace to guns probably a shotgun or a rifle and a sidearm and knives.

which is how it supposed to go. you can load pepper into a revolver - or carry a gas alarm gun if nofunzland - there would be no feeding issues from reduced recoil. it would be my choice for self defense. first round blank as warning, two pepper in the face, rest is lethal in case the bear is not dissuaded. but it would be i guarantee you. it would probably run from the blank.
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>>648325
That seems like a really good idea.

I'm actually all for mace- as long as it isn't your only line of defense against bears. Having multiple ways to deal with bears is a huge plus.
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>>648407
>Having multiple ways to deal with bears is a huge plus.
it's the only sane thing to do

i just really hate the hurr a beaver/dog/bear looked at me let's pump it full of lead faggits.

to scare away a bear or dissuade it from attack or even getting closer should be the first thing to do. shooting a bear to save your life is totally ok in my book so long you have exhausted the non-lethal options.
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>>648445
What's the best way to scare away a burr? If I did a scream/growl would that work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IpLYZkUrZA
example
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>>648253
Hi friend, NPS here from GTNP. Guess what we carry any time we're in the back country, you got it, bear spray, and thats it.
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>>649185
Its my understanding that you're supposed to speak English at them, because bears are intimidated by foreigners.
If you scream/growl you might accidentally say something offensive and make things worse.
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>>649185
If it's a black burr being human and not surprising it is usually enough, and there are hardly any grizzlies left in the lower 48.

Alaska and Canada are another story but Canadians seem to survive without guns just fine.
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>>649276
I don't know if you're ignorant of the fact that we do have guns or not. But it's not that we don't think we need them, we're just not scared of wildlife.
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>>646968
Everybody says get a gun and I could kill a charging bear with my 22 pistol given that I can hit a soda can at rifle distances, so right between the eyes. But:

That assumes I'm calm and not surprise attacked. The benefit of pepper spray is like a machine gun firing tracer rounds. You can keep spraying and adjust by sight as you miss with the first bit as you are panicked.

Most accounts of people using it seem better than a gun except a high powered gun with a well placed shot. The chest doesn't count on a mad bear until after it already destroys you.
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>>649276
>and there are hardly any grizzlies left in the lower 48.
In the Yellowstone and surrounding areas I go to, grizzlies made a huge comeback in my lifetime. Parks that used to let you camp in a tent now say "hardsided RVs only". I have even taken to sleeping in my SUV and carrying a gun or spray while awake. The first night I was done camping last summer, stayed at a motel halfway home, and top local news story was a guy eaten by griz in Yellowstone.
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>>646968

A hiking partner from our group was killed by a grizzly in Yellowstone, summer of 2004.

He had two cans of empty bear repellent by his body. His head had been crushed.
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>>646968
>what is wind?

The best thing your faggot friend can do is wear bells.

These guys stick their heads in beehives. They don't give a shit about pepper spray. They aren't some Mexican trying to jack your car in LA.
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>>649190

That's because your gay park is void of any backcountry, faggot. Go climb The Skillet with Exum.
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>>649371
hahahaha shows what you know. yellowstone follows the same exact procedures as we do, tell me about their lack of backcountry too.
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>>649185
depends on what's on the bears mind
if it hunts you or exhibits predatory behavior than being aggressive looking big and intimidating is a good way to make it look after easier prey. if it's curious just be human maybe shoot in the air, bang some metals together make noise unless you want to study it too then just be calm. if it's territorial it's better to avoid eye-contact and slowly but confidently back down and never get between a sow and her cub or between the bear and it's escape.

you should also always carry a stick of staff it would go a long way. you can stop a charging bear by presenting a stick in front of you.
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Storm whistle, mutha fuckas.
$5, louder than a car horn, multi purpose, easy to deploy.

Bears, and pretty much all wildlife, are gonna "nope" the fuck away from anything that makes a noise like that.
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>>648142
Only the California grizzly. Other bears are definitely still a thing.
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>>649393

Yellowstone
Area: 3,468 mi2

Grand Teton
Area: 484 mi2

Your park is just a buffer between the glory of Yellowstone and the yuppies in Jackson and Teton Village. Is there any point in GTNP that is even further than a day's hike from a major road?
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>>649366
Did that bear eat him, or was it surprised by him and reacted?

I think the last two recent cases I heard about were the bears stalking and eating a person.

They are getting bolder these days IMO.
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>>649683
>Your park is just a buffer between the glory of Yellowstone
Did you consider GTNP is a completely separate geological phenomenon than yellowstone? They're even separated by the JDR parkway for the intermittent space in between the caldera and the range.

Furthermore, park size has nothing to do the value of the park, I guess I'll even elaborate for you. Have you even been to yellowstone? yea, its cool, its got thermal features, its got some peaks (best are in the absaroka) but the overwhelming majority of the park is dense coniferous forest and bleak highlands. The tetons, while smaller, is much less crowded beyond its front country areas and despite the range's comparatively small size, the amount of alpine peaks and lakes hidden away make it a much more interesting location. Not to mention you can see all the same wildlife in either park.
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>>649828

>Did you consider GTNP is a completely separate geological phenomenon than yellowstone

Yes. A geological buffer. Yes.

>park size has nothing to do the value of the park

When it comes to backcountry it does. When it comes to a grizzly population it does.

> Not to mention you can see all the same wildlife in either park.

No. Jesus Christ your park has HOTELS.
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Montanafag here.
45-70 Marlin guide gun loaded with 525 grain piledriver hardcast.
Bear Spray.
357 to unload in bears mouth if all else fails abd it's on top of me.
If it gets to the last part, I'm probably a dead man anyway.
I'm very aware while innawoods for bears. Doubly so when I'm with my family.
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>>649936
you do realize that .357 from a 6" barrel can go through a motorblock and critically damage it which is why it was issued by the fbi.
no way i will not come out of a bears butthole if you shoot it between the eyes.
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>>650121
*it kek i would not have anything to do with a bears butthole
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>>647443
Link?
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>>650121
>no way i will not come out of a bears butthole

hmmm
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>>649740

He got lost and was found being dragged and partially consumed by the bear. It was a mother we were warned about before going in (Huckleberry Ridge to the fire lookout cabin).
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>>650555
yeh i know... still the .357 is nothing to joke about look up what it does to a huge slab of ballistic gel! absolutely horrifying.
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>>650568

So is that more powerful/ better at stopping than a 10mm, say a Glock?
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>>650590
as i understand it depends on the loads
they can achieve similar energy rates especially when custom loading. some say the 10mm is basically a .410 magnum.

i think .357 is better in a revolver as a compact self defense thing and 10mm semi full-sized gun is probably better as a law enforcement sidearm.
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Bear spray is shit. Nothing is worse than running from an angry maced bear
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>>650727
try running from an angry maced zombie bear on fire
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>>650727
How would you know, you've never done it.
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>shooting a charging bear
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>>650835
you are right you should get behind it grab onto the furpants with all your might and start raping it
that should teach them
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>>649482
good idea, i will torture a baby bear, all while using the whistle. years later when the bear is full grown, i will give these whistles away for free. the bear will will rip everyone apart who is using that whistle.
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>>646968
Buy a bear dog
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>>646985
>>647005
>>647009
>>647078
>>648445

12ga shotgun. First shell (or two) in the tube are pyrotechnic bear bangers (non lethal), rest magnum brenneke style slugs. The bangers have a longer effective range than spray, and if they don't scare it off, you have a very reliable lethal option in the form of 4 remaining slugs.
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>>646968
>being scared of wildlife
>in California

I really hope you didn't end up getting him the bear spray. He'll never need it
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>>655316
bear spray has multiple uses tho
capsaicin when applied topically to skin can greatly help with maddening itch and pain
by exhausting the neural axons with the feeling of heat.
when i had shingles i used capsaicin cream as natural pain relief.
it is also effective on humans as a non-lethal self defense option.
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>>656599
bear spray is shit for self defense against humans. It's literally a less concentrated version of what you buy to use on people. Carry actual pepper spray, if you want to use it on humans. Some people could walk through bear spray like it ain't nothing, I know, I used to be one of them. I was a Chemical Operations Specialist in the Army for six years. I was literally unaffected by tear gases of all sorts, including pepper spray, for most of that time (except the early days in basic). So again, get regular pepper spray to use against people. Or, better yet, get a gun.
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>>659079
https://www.sabrered.com/pepper-spray-frequently-asked-questions

>Civilian and Law Enforcement Pepper sprays range from 0.18% to 1.33% Major Capsaicinoids.

Bear Sprays range from 1.0% to 2.0% Major Capsaicinoids

You're wrong.
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>>659413
he is wrong but i don't understand why would even come up with that retarded idea to begin with?
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>>659079
>I was a Chemical Operations Specialist in the Army for six years
>I was literally unaffected by tear gases of all sorts
so you were drunk all the time huh? not surprised.
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>>659422
He wasn't really a Chemical Operations Specialist in the army.
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>>646968
Shoot it in the face with a .375hh. Problem solved.
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>>659421
>>659413
People that had leaks and teenagers that wanted to try agree.
Bear spray is like having your entire face and lungs on fire. There is a reason it is registered as an insecticide and not a lachrymal spray.
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>>659440
i figured that but i remember hearing that tear gas does not really effect drunks or people high (pepper do tho) and i really knew some guys that were constantly drunk while in the army.
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>>646985
>single bullet
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