[D a i l y - B i k e - T h r e a d] - /dbt/ SAM Already Hap

Nice thread, dumbass.

>>17218328
Thanks bb

this thread is shit

>>17218326
>two tripfags and their buttbuddy anon trying to pretend their weekend of threesomes was relevant edition
FTFY

>>17216849 #
Because there are situations where gasoline can be pushed back into the airbox and you dont want that to pool there.

Also water/moisture during heavy rain.

Why don't you guys ride a Supermoto already ?

>>17218543
because I regularly go above 130

>>17218543
Because i got a big boy license

>>17218543
My girlfriend only goes out with me cause literbike

>>17218543
I don't want to stop for gas every 90 miles.

>Go for 190km round for the last summer event in my area
>Fork seals fucked
>Rear caliper pin seized
>Chain slider breaks apart
>Rear rubber shows cracking
>Could do with new wheel bearings, too

This winter is going to be fucking glorious for my trusty XR400 workhorse.

>>17218543
I only ride bikes with at least 100hp and 90nm of torque

>>17218664
>Mfw my modded-to-fuck XR500 av-gas only barely scraped 80hp in full flat-track trim

Tbh I'd never want more than than on the road. V-twin road for lyf.

>>17218668
I can't imagine many circumstances where having more power on tap would be a con for an experienced rider

>tfw want non-edgy looks, I4 sportbike performance, standard ergonomics and comfort, and sports-tourer wind protection
>tfw this bike doesn't exist

>>17218672
Eh, that 500 was super peaky. Cams drilled and oil rerouted to throw away the lobe splash bucket, massive duration/overlap on cams, newly reground crank, completely redone head and can't remember what carb I was using. I think it was running 13.2:1 compression at the end.

Once you get to a certain hp/torque bracket, supermoto/xcross geometry and suspension becomes a liability, less travel and lower CoG becomes seriously important.

That said, I regret selling it to this very day. Bit off more finances than I could chew.

>>17218543
Baird needs to fix his goddamn DRZ that's why :^)

>>17218543
i can only afford one bike and a super moto just isnt practical
but when i get a better job and can afford a second bike, dr-z 400 sm here i come

>have aftermarket muffler that's a little loud
>buy a stock muffler, it's 10lbs heavier
>put it on
>it's not that much quieter

Bad decision? Bad decision.

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>>17218771
Why get the worst supermoto?

>>17218790
Just stick some steel wool in it

>>17218804
convenience and price. its a cheap bike at under 7k, its reliable, it's already registered for the road, i dont have to buy new wheels or readjust the speedometer, i can go straight from the dealership to having fun with it. besides, what's so bad about it?

>>17218848
>>17218804
oh, and it doesnt have service intervals every 20 feet, like the euro trash bikes

>>17218855
It's just ktm that has low service intervals, it's pretty much on par with the other new Euro sumos

>>17218888
the dr-z also costs a few thousand less

>>17218889
Well yeah, better things generally cost more.

>>17218899
but realistically what would i be doing to need that "better" bike? am i really going to complain while doing a wheelie about not having a ktm? would the husquavarna really hop a curb or go down stairs that much better? will i suddenly complain about the suspension after hitting a pothole? are most people really going to be noticing that heir hoon bike is not the best?

>Buy this https://spokane.craigslist.org/mcy/6119169800.html
>Buy the 6.3gal standard tank and swap it in for $150
>maybe handlebars if swept bars aren't as comfy as they look
>???
>Profit

This shouldn't be so tempting

>>17218918
go for it if you really want it

>>17218685
S1000XR

>>17218804
>tfw twice in one night this tripfag told someone that a bike is bad with absolutely no qualifications as to why that bike is bad/why another is better

>>17218920
>Looks nice and comfortable
>but
>eats transmissions

Being an American and wanting a UJM-styled standard is genuine suffering.

>>17218946
What was the other one?

>>17218946
The only reason to get a drz400 over any other smoto is because you are poor and that is not really a problem that bikes have.

>>17218952
my mistake, i remembered wrong, and i blame alcohol. last thread another anon replied to the versys question anon saying its mediocre and then you told v strom question anon that the versys would be better for his needs, and for some reason i remembered it as you saying its mediocre and the anon saying versys or tiger 800
my bad, sorry
though out of curiosity, why is the dr-z the worst?

>>17218987
>v strom question anon
versys question anon* fuck
is it time for bed then?

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>>17218987
>why is the DR-Z the worst?

Because it's compared to the WR.

>>17218987
It's just the bottom of the barrel for sumos. The only thing it does well is be cheap. At least the WR250X is EFI

>>17219014
The drz400 isn't efi? Why the hell not?

Has it not been updated in the past 20 years?

>>17219002
so the wr 250 is a better super moto than the drz 400? why?

>>17219022
no it has never been updated beyond getting sumo wheels and brakes.

>>17219022
Because budget bike. Small bikes normally are for riders who don't care and aren't experienced enough to notice the difference if not told about it. Premium small bikes have historically being foreign market only because the US doesn't have licensing restrictions/sane, mature people who use motorcycles as transportation instead of fair weather weekend-only penis susbtitutes.

Just think of how long the ninja 250/500 got away with being carbed.

We're only beginning to see quality FI on small bikes because of government regulations, not because manufacturers actually care about getting the most out of an engine on the NA market if it's smaller than 600cc.

>>17219022
Not really, no. Either is the KLR, DR650 or Hondas 650. All carbies and cables.

Off the top of my head only KTM makes a sumo able bike above 250cc that has efi and those bikes are spendy.

>>17219063
Oh and Husky makes a dfi 650 thumper but good luck finding one.

>>17219022
dirtbikes are meant to be cheap shit made out of cheap shit. carbs are cheap shit.

if you want a dirtbike that isn't cheap shit you buy a KTM.

>>17219072
J A P
C R A P

>>17219022
>>17219002
>>17219014
>>17219035
ah, so its fuel injected is why the wr250 is better. may i just ask: every bike i've owned has been carburated, what's so bad about them? they're annoying to adjust and jet, sure, but a curburator problem is a lot cheaper and easier to fix than an efi problem
>curburator isnt doing right
>hand full of jets, and some carb cleaner to fix at worst
>total cost, 10-80 dollars
>its a little annoying though

>fuel injection goes wrong
>could be a lot of things
>$100-900 to fix
>probably have to have the shop do it

the average person doesnt have high enough skill to be a better rider with ife instead of a carby, and for the average rider, a carburator is a lot cheaper to maintian, especially if the bike is run once a week or more

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>>17219072
>dirtbikes are meant to be cheap shit made out of cheap shit.
lolno.

If that were the case then none would be water cooled, they'd all be steel framed with dual rear shocks like in the 70s. Japan just has to catch up.

>>17219082
If there's an issue with efi it's mostly likely just the O2 sensor which is a 5 minute fix. Problems beyond that are extremely rare.

>>17219089
Seems at least with dirt bikes and sumos I hear more issues with injectors and fuel pumps

purely on looks dirtbikes get me harder than any sports bike, is this normal.

>>17219082
carbs on bikes are only cheap to maintain because of the lack of a fuel pump. it's just a gravity/vacuum feed system. at the worst you'll need new rubber and a petcock.

the most expensive repair in any fuel system is going to be a new pump. everything else can be cleaned, replaced, or fixed fairly cheaply, like cracked solder joints in the ECU, fried wires, failed/dirty sensors, and clogged inectors. having a pump to replace is a small concession to make for an objectively superior fueling system.

>>17219082
>the average person doesnt have high enough skill to be a better rider with ife instead of a carby

Except they'll use significantly more fuel and fart unburned hydrocarbons out the exhaust like mad, and their engine will have worse performance over its entire rev range compared to an equivalent engine with FI on it.

>>17219100
Neither are particularly aesthetically pleasing to me

>fuel injection
>variable valve timing
>fairings
>throttle by wire
>hydraulic clutches
>catalytic converters
>ABS
>traction control

REEEEEEEEEE

>>17219100
Yeah I think dirt bikes look pretty stupid with that pointy rear fender.

>>17219121
I-it's for weight reduction

wtf is up with reddit touching people on the road from their motorcycles. they are such faggots

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>>17219119
>linked brakes

>>17219112
i'll concede that performance wise the ife is better, and emissions wise its better, but i dont think a carby on a bike is a problem

>>17219135
>Be american
>Not allowed to do normal motorcycle things like ride between slow moving/stopped traffic, park in places cars can not
>Allowed to buy a turbobusa as your first bike
>Just like everyone else said, the speed will just get you into trouble, and you'll get used to and bored of it anyways
>You are sitting on your turbobusa in the middle of a traffic jam on a typical american road with triple-wide lanes that could easily accompany multiple cars, and therefore any police cruisers that would pursue you if you rode between them
>You have nothing to do
>You're dissatisfied with motorcycling as you can be
>Surely, there's something unique to bikes you can enjoy
>start reaching out and touching people from your bike

>>17219139
>Fails and falls out of tune more often ("but muh one hour jerb! just a ten dolla gasket, ye darn newmen.")
>Can not deal with altitude changes
>Less efficient, affects operating range and economy
>"not a problem"

>>17219135
Wtf I hate fun now

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>>17219072
you do know suzuki does make fuel injected dirt bikes right?
so does every other japanese brand.

>>17219156
Actual dirtbikes don't exist here. None of us can afford a truck in addition to our brand new CB500s and used AE86s to haul them around.

>>17219156
None of them are factory street legal except the WRR though

newfag here, how do i even take corners and turn on a motorcycle?

>>17219143
>Surely, there's something unique to bikes you can enjoy

You can always turn

>american
>everyone starts on a repli-racer
oh

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>>17219119
based post. I'll add:
>shim style valve adjustment
>plastic or dummy fuel tank
>water cooled
>plastic headlight lens
>digital tachometer
>wanky fasteners

>>17219172
You let the skid demon take the bars and he rolls the dice for you. There's nothing you can do but hold on for the ride.

>>17219150
eh, it only really falls out of tune if you change the exhaust or intake, or elevation. i'll concede that ife is better in every way except initial cost

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>>17219162

>street legal
>dirt bike

>>17219180
Or don't ride it for a week with a batch of really, really cheap gas in the tank.

Also I've never had a problem with stubborn rubber boots on EFI. The throttle bodies just lift out instead of being clamped between the airbox and the cyllinders.

>>17219162
that rmx can be road registered where i live

>>17219178
Don't forget the biggest heresy of them all

>more than 100hp
>fat tires

>>17219200
Direct from the factory?

>>17219210
yep.

>>17219188
My bike sat for 3 months without starting with a tank of 87 and it fired up just fine. The only problem i have had with carbs was on my 91 rm250 because the floats started to stick a bit

>>17219256
A full tank? I've never had a problem with full tanks sitting. I don't even use sta-bil. That shit causes hard starting, sometimes no starting at all.

Errant dirt from grimy pump nuzzles and quarter tanks on the other hand, will clog something eventually.

>always wanted a bike
>look up the steps to get a license in my province
>after getting your learner's license, you can't ride alone for 11 months
This is the dumbest law I've ever heard of, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>17219289
Tell them you're never alone because you believe in jesus christ

tstpst

>>17219289
>>17219289
What province? In Alberta as long as you held a standard learners license for a year or if you have a normal drivers license you can go ahead and do the test.

Still cant ride alone until you have the test done though.

Story time
>be 16, but just got learners
>read the drivers handbook at the time, states you need to wait a year with a learners before you get a class 5 (drivers license)
>only info on the class 6 (bike license) is you show up with a bike and be at least 16
>hell yeah independence, book bike license
>buy motorcycle
>do test, fail the first time, rebook
>pass the second time
>fucking ecstatic
>they go to print my license
>lol nevermind, you need to wait 10 more months before this is valid

And thats the story about how I wasted 5k on a motorcycle I could only look at.

>>17219316
>not buying an SK50 to ride on your learners

>Check craigslist
>BMW R75s $4000
>CT90s $4000
>Various UJMs obviously far beyond the budget of cafe racering hackjobs unless they're 125s or actually "engine seized, forks leaking, shocks squeaking, frame bent, would make a cool chopper, cafe racer or bobber $900 OBO CLEAN TITLE!!!!" broken

So now that all the cheapo fixable bikes that were a great deal for anyone with the competence necessary to replace a piece of rubber are passing into "classic" territory, the fuck are we supposed to do for shitbikes?

Wait for the market to saturate with 250cc twins as 300s finish taking over?

>>17219398
sportbikes with rashed fairings

$100 in bondo, sandpaper, and paint is the new $100 in float bowl gaskets, carb cleaner, and intake boots.

>>17219316
Quebec.
You need to wait 11 months before taking the exam for the actual license.

So basically if you don't know anyone that has a motorcycle license, you either sit on your ass for 11 months or ride alone and face the risks of getting caught.

And while waiting, you still need to pay the ridiculously expensive license and plates.

Anyone from NJ here?

So this old lady ran a red light at an intersection when I had green and by the time I noticed I was like 10 ft away from her car. Had to brake as quick as possible and the bike flipped and got messed up, and messed me up too. I didn't hit the car though. Had to go to ER because I started having really bad chest pain and all sort of things, but I had no broken bones or anything.

Since I've never been in an accident before I went and talked to a lawyer about my medical bills and asked if the woman's insurance was going to pay for it, and he said NJ is a no fault state and that chances are I'll have to pay for my medical bills, but he'll try to make her insurance pay for it. What the fuck? He also said that, he'll try and make her insurance pay whatever I still owe on the bike but I'll lose the down payment. What the fuck? Is this guy just a shitty lawyer or something? The bike is pretty much brand new (437 miles)

I've never been involved in any sort of accident before so I don't know how any of this works. If her insurance refuses to pay my medical bills, will mine pay for them? What would be the point of having insurance if none of them want to pay for anything?

Just waiting for the police report now, wish me luck guys.

>>17219415
If you flip yourself then then its (at least partially) your fault for being a shit rider. If you're going to crash, make sure you at least make contact with the other vehicle.

He still sounds like a shitty lawyer tho.

>>17219432
don't you just love retarded laws that force you to endanger your self and others. And you just know its because some fuck wit did something stupid on the road but was able to get off on a technicality and set the precedent.

>>17219438
Nah m8 it's really your own fault you can't brake for shit.

>>17219445
and you see your honour, had the defendant simply ploughed into my clients jeep escalade while it was turning the wrong way through a red light we would not be having this discussion. However as he is a human and foolishly tried to save his own life no one can be blamed but him, if you can't pull the exact right amount of brake, or mind read where every vehicle on the road will be to avoid them in the 3 full seconds that were available should you really be on the road?

>>17219292
>Atheists BTFO

>>17219473
>he has to deal with that prick showing off how amazing he is by walking on water and shit

I prefer my spaghetti monster that just gives me comfort and lets me eat her

>>17218326
test

>>17219172
Practice on a bicycle.
Its the same shit.

>honda makes the nm4 vultus to market to young anime fans
>prices it at 20k and makes it a limited edition
>only buyers are boomers and spics
>they all unironically try to resell for msrp or more
and i though i woud be able to afford a used one after a year or two

>>17219479
the website you're looking for is reddit

>>17219491
But it's only 11k.

>>17219499
Not really no

>>17219407
You can find rides on facebook groups or m4e. We've all been through this.

>>17219500
mistyped 10k, lol
still average used price is 10 to 8 k

>>17219479
>B
>T
>F
>O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDi9uFcD7XI

>>17219506
Yea, that blows. I've only seen one. It's cool looking as fuck. Probably super comfy.

>>17219516
there's one in rimini, near when i live
it's stupid long, but really cool

>>17219292
Literally against sharia

>>17218326
>Questions for neewbs

Does the bike balance itself or there is a lot of work involved to keep it steady on the road?

I found a facility to do training at and should be getting some experience this year

How common are repairs on bikes and why do so many bikes out there have low miles?

Would you recommend a new bike to everyone or buying something from the 90s or even 80s is fun enough?

How to get over the fear of riding a mean hog on the highway?

>>17219537
Turbo busa with three wheels

>>17219537
>Does the bike balance itself or there is a lot of work involved to keep it steady on the road?
Yes
>I found a facility to do training at and should be getting some experience this year
Maybe, is this even a question?
>How common are repairs on bikes and why do so many bikes out there have low miles?
Depends, because not riding
>Would you recommend a new bike to everyone or buying something from the 90s or even 80s is fun enough?
No
>How to get over the fear of riding a mean hog on the highway?
Do it

>>17219537
you could literally let the bars go and it'll stand up by itself

i am self taught, but i did have a shitbike with no emotional attatchment to thrash

you sound american, americans are afraid to ride ther bike year round, reliability depends, but rider often take metivulous care of their rides

the main diffenrence will be polish and price, if you go old enough you might encounter weight problems, early 2000s and late 90s will do fine for a starter

highway will always be a little scary when you're not used to it, you'll grow tired of it eventually

>>17219537
The bike is self-stabilizing, you can take your hands completely off the bars if you don't need any throttle (not recommended)

Not sure what you mean by how common are repairs, but almost everyone fixes their own bike barring major work, as they need a lot more maintenance than a car. A lot of people buy bikes only for weekends/dry days so don't use them much, others buy a buy they cant handle and scare the shit out of themself and sell it.

Don't buy brand new, but something from the last decade is a good shout, ABS and fuel injection are the 2 main benefits of not getting a 90s bike

The bike becomes more stable as you go fast, highways are among the safest places to be.

>>17219553
Ummm....im American and I ride my bike in all conditions. Nice trye though buddy

>>17219567
abs is for cucks
don't be a cuck
>for srs tho, linked brakes are the work of satan

>>17219574
listen here, pal
you can ride all you like, but you can't deny your people sees 2 wheelers as impractical weekend toys

>>17219587
Sure thing buddy!
But they are just toys. Thats the best part about it. But everyone rides for different reasons i guess

Speaking of baby questions.
>New rider, about 3 months of riding time.
>Live in UK so stuck on a little 125 for a year and a half
>Want to make the most of this time on a small forgiving bike to be at least competent, trying to improve my counter steering.

I can physically begin to countersteer no problem and understand why it works, and using it to change lanes is easy enough.
But say im taking a left corner at a reasonable speed, 40 or whatever.
So I lightly push forward and downwards on the left bar, the bike begins to turn and lean over to the left.

But what do i do from there, keep lightly pushing forwards and down on the left bar and countersteer all the way around the turn? Begin to straighten the wheel out and turn it left into the bend? Would that not just stand me up?
I am a little bit frightened of leaning too far if im honest, I suppose coming from years of being in a nice safe car dosent help it.
It is good fun though, even on a tiny engine.

>>17219610
if you're thinking about it you're doing it wrong
more fast requires more lean, but too much lean on shitty tyres makes you slide out

>>17219587
Alright tough man, I know you can stoppie your GSXR from 200-0 but I'm guessing someone so new to bikes they don't even know if they balance will appreciate not locking the front wheel when they grab too much brake.

>>17219518
>in rimini, near when i live
Are you the cunt that just run over Hayden?

http://www.eurosport.com/superbikes/nicky-hayden-in-serious-condition-in-hospital-after-being-hit-by-car_sto6169474/story.shtml

>>17219610
Watch twist of the wrist. But in short, countersteering always works, no matter where you are the corner. if you want to maintain your current arc, don't push, if you want to go tighter, push that side and to go wider push the opposite side.

>>17219615
man, abs is just a fun killer, it cuts in to rob you of braking bower and will actively try to kill you in the wet or on gravel

>>17219618
ye
poofta ass cunts cycling on mah road

>>17219610
>>17219629

>Watch twist of the wrist

would be my recommendation to.
the part where he talks about "flickrate" answers your exact question in detail

>>17219631
Again, this guys isn't asking for the best track bike to lift the back wheel of the floor. He isn't going to need or be able to control the extra braking from a non-ABS bike better than one that has it equipped, and you get a hell of a lot less braking once the front wheel locks. Also if you ride so hard in the wet or on gravel that the ABS kicks in, you're a retard.

>>17219652
1 - abs kicks in when a difference between front and rear wheel speed is detected, which on gravel is ALL THE TIME and on the wet it just won't work
2 - mashing the lever every time you need to stop is not at all how you learn braking and will bite you in the ass should your abs module break or should you change bike

>>17219631
>>17219587

> it cuts in to rob you of braking bower
it only does that if you are to stupid to brake correctly

i ride ABS-Bikes for about five years now and it only activates itself in a "shock-braking" (don't know the correct word.

> a fun killer
i used to pull stoppies on a BMW r1100s, with a ABS from the year 2000. it's all about technique.

>>17219667

thats just pure bullshit.

> HURRDURPDERP TYRESLIPPAGE DOESN'T EXIST

>>17219667
Why would wheel speeds differ in the wet? Unless you're aquaplaning, in which case you're already fucked.

Mashing the lever is not how people use ABS bikes, it only kicks in when you fuck up, and a vibrating brake lever is just as good an indicator of this as screeching tyres, except without the crashing bit.

>>17219610
Find somewhere with dirt you can ride on. As long as youre okay with the idea of dropping yr bike and maybe fucking some external parts up (mirrors, levers, etc) I think its the best way to get used to how your motorcycle handles.

Ride some loops/ovals/circles whatever and try and get a handle on how much leaning/bar turning you need to use to get a smooth turn. Lean it more each time until you drop it. Learn the limits of your bike at various speeds (obv dont go too fast, even on dirt).

I was in a similar position (nobiek, had ridden a total of 10 hrs, cornered and rode like a bithc in general). Then I spent one day at a dirt track thrashing my shit, and the change in my riding ability afterwards was insane. I feel so much more confident and smooth on the bike.

remember, DURT DONT HURT

>>17219684
no, abs is not some magical item
it's a double speedo on both wheels
if one wheel is rolling faster brakes are applied to it
unless both speeds are 0 it'll prevent you from using all the brake's power
bmw allows you to turn it off, so i have no idea why you think it's such a feat

>>17219697
the fuck are you talking about?

>>17219702
abs (especially honda's) is renown for being nigh worthless in heavy rain or on slick surfaces

>>17219706

This.

I spent years riding dirtbikes off road before I ever road on asphalt.

Yesterday I nearly got creamed on my Gold Wing by a truck pulling out into traffic right in front of me.

I came out of my dodge with a nasty fishtail, recovered, and everything was fine. Everything happened on instinct, it was too quick to actually think about what was happening.

Without my dirt experience I feel like I would have either rammed the guys truck, or gone down after dodging.

There's a pretty good motocross park fairly near to where I live now, and I'm planning on taking my dual sport out there to get in more practice.

I'll never buy a bike with ABS, throttle-by-wire, or any kind of autotragic unless it's a pigfat full fairing touring bike with a radio, heat, and cup holders. Those things go together. Remove as much actual control of the bike and connection to your environment as possible to focus on, idk, being comfy and secure I guess.

Anything else had better have a clutch, non-abs independent brakes, and a mechanically linked throttle.

>>17219708

> it's a double speedo on both wheels

yes thats a part of your abs system. but you obviously have no idea how it works.
you think the abs is controlled via the difference in tyrespeed and thats just not true.
ABS gets activated if your rotationfrequency drops in time faster than a certain value.
Modern systems realise what surface they are on and adjust the 'critical droppingrate' accordingly.

(to be fair bmw uses the tyrespeed difference to detect if your back wheel lifts from the ground)

> bmw allows you to turn it off, so i have no idea why you think it's such a feat

because the stoppies were pulled with activated (and compared to todays standarts) shitty ABS.
You can't tell me that you need more braling power than this

> the fuck are you talking about?
about tyreslippage. when you accelerate your back typre rotates faster than your front tyre. it slips a bit.
if you were corect and you would touch your brake slightly while accelerating the ABS would kick in. ... And well.. it just doesn't do that that.
Unless of course you are standing and want to pull a burnout. But thats a different problem

>>17219727
Well good luck ever buying a bike again, because ABS is law in a lot of places now, so its here to stay.

>>17219776
>implying it's not just a fuse away from not being a problem
>implying you can't just remove it with a new pair of lines

One of the more recent studies in Europe (over 80k crashes in Sweden, Spain and Italy) showed that ABS equipped motorcycles and 'large-displacement scooters' (over 250cc) where nearly 60% less likely to be involved in incidents that produced fatalities or 'serious injury' (>7 days hospitalization).

There is probably something to be said for the idea that someone who chooses an ABS bike is less likely to be involved in a major incident, but there is no denying that it has a positive impact for the vast, vast majority of operators.

>>17219776

You say that as if there aren't millions of great used bikes on the market that have never been soiled by ABS at all. There are, and will be for decades to come.

Eventually ABS will infiltrate everything due to obnoxious bullshit lobbying by the insurance industry and people who don't know any better, and then I'll just have to resort to >>17219783

Enjoy your CVT scooter anon, I hope you never learn what you're missing. It'll hurt your poor little soul too much.

>>17219765
>critical dropping rate
>tyreslippage
you sound like a nobike
an indian one at that

i know perfectly well how abs works, i study this kinda shit and my last 2 bikes had it and your explaination sounds like that of a 4th grader who's been introduced to physics

>>17219786
>ABS equipped motorcycles and 'large-displacement scooters' (over 250cc)

or maybe that grouping says exactly NOTHING about ABS bikes.

>>17219786

So, good for retarded novice tier riders that have never applied themselves to developing any skill.

We all know it's a crutch for the mentally infirm already, what are you trying to prove?

"Fewer serious injuries and fatalities" isn't why I ride.

>>17219793

your convinient approach to walk arround my question by getting personal suggests otherwise. Are you one of those first semester engineers who think they are at the peak of knowledge?

if you study this stuff, i bet you can link me a reliable source where your standpoint is explained. would you do that please?

>>17219786
>ABS bikes are new and expensive
>non-ABS bikes are cheap and plentiful

who buys new and expensive bikes? Older people who make good money and got experience.

Who buys cheap old bikes? Young dudes and beginners.

>>17219791
Believe it or not, I own both a bike with ABS and one that predates it, so I'm not "missing" anything. It's like telling someone they're missing out on using a car without airbags, and intentionally disabling them in your own car; They're only used very rarely and are a lot better than the alternative.

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>>17218326

i'm finally selling it for another duc

>>17219786
>cherrypicked statistic is cherrypicked
wew lad

>>17219819
i don't see a single question mark in your post tho, habibi
and no, insurance adjudicator

>>17219828
post your bikes then
becuse unless you own some european halo bike equipped with bosch's latest cuckbox you WILL experience abs cutting you off in the most inappropriate time

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>>17219835

>>17219835
Why won't you learn from your mistakes anon?

>>17219835
>gaybo
>french plate
pottery

>>17219854

It has 35k kms and works like a charm. Not even an oil leak. you'd be surprised

>>17219847
>>cherrypicked statistic is cherrypicked
>wew lad
The primary metric from a major multinational study is cherry picking?

>>17219858

show bike anon.

>>17219119
Who cares? It's not like you can afford a bike with half of that

>>17219847

> i don't see a single question mark in your post tho
okay here you are actually correct.
let me rephrase:
if your interpretation of the ABS system were correct, why doesn't it activate when you softly apply the brakes while accelerating?

keep in mind that this will result in different rotation frequencys. since you don't know what tyreslippage is, this is a fact that you will just have to accept

test

>>17219931
Banned

>>17219919
you don't apply the brakes when softly accelerating?
and even if you did, "softly" is not enough to activate it
it's an hydro pump, not rocket surgery

>>17219945

> you don't apply the brakes when softly accelerating?
does't matter if it's a wise decision or not. this is a thought experiment.
But this far you have given the correct answer, great job!

now do the same thing whilest braking harder (not locking up the front wheel) why doesn't it activate? doesn't the system realise that you want to brake and also there is a severe difference in rotationfreq. ?

>>17219959
Unless one of the wheels is skidding (or not touching the ground), there shouldn't be a difference in rotational speed, regardless of throttle application.

>>17219989

jesus man, arguing with you is worse than arguing with a jehova.

you just can't deny tyreslippage. it's a fucking fact that while acceleration the rear tyre is rotating a bit faster, because it ALWAYS slips a bit. it's so basic that even twist of the wrist covers it.
for example it's the reason why full-throttle-orgies will wear your tyres down.

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why are we invisible guys?

i almost got rundown a while ago by a purolator truck at a stop sign wearing pic related

>>17220043
>it's the reason why full-throttle-orgies will wear your tyres down.
Not him, but I've noticed that.
After blasting over the autobahn at 160km/h my tires were torn to shit after 400km.
Even though they are still wearing way faster than they should be now, while staying below 120km/h.

>>17220087
People don't want to see you.

>>17220087

I don't know anon, I don't know.

I nearly got run down yesterday by an asian man in a white truck, while driving straight on a clear 4 lane road in broad daylight.

>>17220043
We haven't been arguing, that was my first post relating to this discussion.

Under optimal control, the rear tire should only be rotating faster for a few microseconds until the suspension and body flex have caught up, which is easily filtered out by the controller. Additionally, ABS control doesn't come into affect immediately off the start. Most controllers don't engage until you are moving at 5-10 MPH.

>full-throttle-orgies will wear your tyres down
If you're accelerating during a 'full-throttle-orgy' with the brakes applied, you have issues far outside the scope of an engineering fix.

>>17220087

You weren't going fast enough

>>17218664
>hypermotard

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New tires tomorrow

>>17220087
a lot of people just don't look. They are all too safe in their cages. I can't wait for the idiots to buy autonomous cars.

Rip Nicky Hayden

>>17220110

the "full-throttle-orgies" were an example where tyreslippage takes place.
the brake application while accelerating were a totally different point to convince even the dumbest person that ABS has nothing todo with differences in rotaionspeed.

but i think i give up, maybe i'm forgetting where i am.

>>17220136
>weaving through a sea of self-driving cars on bike

gonna feel dystopian as fuck.

>tfw too old to experience rebelling against the wave of autonomous vehicles in 30 years

>>17220165
main highways are going to be sectioned, autonomous cars will have their own lane where they will sit about 2 inches off of each other's bumpers and hurtle along at wicked speed. The poor people and bikers will be all that's left in the "self driven lane."

>can't drag knee
>mount camera on my bike pointed at my leg to see how far away I am
>just got home and watched a couple minutes
>not even fucking close
dammit I have this autistic need to touch my body to the ground at high speed

>>17220165

>Weave through self driving cars on your bike.
>The vehicles capture your velocity and path.
>Your license plate and vehicle information is captured.
>Automatically transmit data to the state transportation department.
>And the local PD.
>>Facial recognition, posture analysis, and other data is used by massively parallel computers to confirm your identity.
>As mandated by recently passed legislation lobbied by moms and insurance companies.
>Fine is automatically deducted from your account.

Gonna BE dystopian as fuck.

>>17220194

Take your feet off the pegs and let them drag along the ground autist.

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>>17220194
practice on a bicycle

i'm so happy right now guys. i just got calledback into work. last year i didn't get a call until novemeber and it fucking sucked. i still rode but my bikes fell into great disrepair and i had no money to spend fixing them. i was so worried that it would happen again.. and now my bikes are really fucked

sorry for the blogpost
just 2016 fucking sucked

>>17220196
>not removing your plate
>not using stealth paint

you dumdum

>>17220199
but thats not the same. I want to feel like a touge master

>>17220203
that guy isn't moving

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>>17220196
>having an account

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Rate my setup.

>>17220241
i don't quite get the ladder

>>17220243
never mind, i'm just blind and stupid

>>17220241
>not just putting your bike on the centre stand to remove a wheel

>>17220209

>Remove your plate.
>Your plateless vehicle is automatically flagged by the network.
>Police drones are dispatched to trail / intercept you.
>"Stealth" meaning anything at all in context.

>>17220219

>Keeping all your financial resources in paper cash that will be stolen from your house, or carrying it with you so you can lose it or get robbed.
>Being completely unable to interact with the just-around-the-bend purely electronic economy.

Genius idea pal.

Honestly, it may come to that eventually, but by then your money wont mean anything anyway. It'll be time to start bartering among the other rebels.

>>17220241
My likey. I did several engine swaps by putting a couple 2x6 over the rafters in the garage (with some 4x4 legs to help support) and hanging a come-along down from them.

>>17220248
>every bike has a center stand
weew

>>17220249
>"Stealth" meaning anything at all in context.
I mean stealth as in it wouldn't be picked up by the camera's of the automatic cars

>>17220255
If it doesn't, it's not worth buying.

>>17220258

Impossible. They're all going to be using a combination of RADAR, LIDAR, and visual imaging anyway. They already do.

You wont be able to hide, and you wont be able to run.

>>17220249
>giving up your independence for convenience

>>17220263
>They already do.
But why would they need to later? Now it's needed to pick up the traffic signs and other things on the road.
When all vehicles are automated you wouldn't need camera's.

>>17220267

??? reading comprehension ???

>>17220217
didn't know Columbo was a /dbt/ regular

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>>17220262
ok

>>17220270

You say that as if every mile of road in the US is going to be converted into some kind of automated car exclusive express way. It's logistically and economically impossible.

The cars will always need those types of sensors to detect obstacles and hazards. It's not about picking up traffic signs.

>When ALL vehicles are automated.

If ALL vehicles are automated this conversation is totally irrelevant anyway.

It's time to expand your breadth of thinking and give up the adolescent tier tunnel vision anon.

>>17220294
Name me ONE bike that is worth buy, that doesn't have a sidestand.

>>17220241
>Not just putting your bike on the floor with no wheels

>>17220298
>The cars will always need those types of sensors to detect obstacles and hazards
You don't need actual camera's for that. They suffer from getting dirty, while there are other options who can pick up obstacles without suffering from getting some road grime.
Most roads can be used by automated cars by using GPS signals.

what are those giant moped/motocycle hybrid things called?

>>17220315
we're talking about center stands you giant retard

>>17220335
I meant that.
It's not like I'm speaking a foreign language while speaking 3 languages at the same time, so there might be a small fuck up somewhere.

>>17218771
I can only afford one bike and got a supermoto because its the most practical in the sense that it can be used in a variety of ways.

70mph is the highest speed limit in my country and my bike cruises comfortably at that speed.

>>17220087
I was out on the weekend in broad daylight and some cuntbag in a truck started drifting into my lane, coming from the other direction so there´s no way he didn´t see me. I think some people are just pricks to bikers or they just don´t pay attention, either way it´s super unsafe and these people should have their licenses taken away.

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>>17220333
like 700cc scooters?

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>almost got illegal lane changed into on the way home by someone trying to switch interchange ramps
>can't decide whether they didn't see me because I was tracking out the turn or I had an extra safety margin because I was in the far side of the lane
The complete lack of emotional response I have to shit like this happening kind of worries me honestly, I was more annoyed that they stopped when I'd already braked than anything.

>>17220333
Maxiscooters?

>>17220357
Did they really try to make that guy look like a badass with his glasses and all black attire while he's walking to his fucking scoot?

>>17220330

Of course they don't need actual cameras for that, the RADAR and LIDAR systems will do just about everything.

But if you think they wont include a regular video camera for event logging / liability / etc reasons anyway you're fucking retarded. That will be the cheapest part of the system. Dash cams are already insanely popular in some places.

I don't even know what you're trying to argue at this point, even if they did do away with the cameras it doesn't mean you'll somehow magically be able to "stealth". All that would accomplish, even if it were technologically possible, is make you more likely to get smoked by a self driving car. You're still going to get picked up by the cars systems, and you're still going to get fucked.

There are radar and camera poles every few miles on all the major highways in my city already, and it's only going to get worse. The sensor grid is tightening anon, and the only way to avoid it is to move to places where it's woven more thinly.

>>17220333
>>17220357
>>17220361
Those BMW 650cc ones make my wiener feel funny. I'm not sure if it is in a good way or not.

>>17220346
well what the fuck?

>>17220361
most likely, but the one I saw was unusually huge, or the guy riding it was a turbo manlet that made it look bigger

>>17220380
they look like they might be fun in the winter

i'd consider getting one to find out if i was a multimillionaire and didn't give a shit

>>17220357
Why not get a normal bike?

>>17220380
it's your latent homosexuality slowly surfacing

>>17220406
people that buy them would argue cargo space or some shit but i really have no idea

scared of a clutch maybe?

>camaro/mustang/challenger with catbacks flooring it from every light and making tons of noise
>pull up next to them on bike
>suddenly quiet as a mouse
Every time, when will cagers learn?

*rides moped*

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>>17215838

Romania...

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>>17220431
>tfw 175cc
>tfw minivan beats me off the light one time

i still miss little piece of shit tho

>>17220431

Sounds like he's already learned that lesson the hard way, and didn't want to get embarrassed.

I love smoking cagers without even pulling the front wheel off the ground, making it look casual.

I wheelie every time though when it's a boyracer in a 4 cylinder jap economobile with a fart cap.

>>17220419
Latent isn't the word I'd used to describe my level of homo-gay. This is something else.

>>17218326

Can anyone help please, I am short... 5'7 short with a 29inch inseam. The bike I want to get has a 35" seat height. Would I be able to comfortably plant my foot 2/3's of the way down or am I going to be tip toeing? I can probably find a seat to go an inch shorter but I dont want to lower the bike at all to mess with the geometry of it.

>>17220461
Rarau ?

>>17220534
Depends, a dirtbike or dual sport has soft enough suspension that it'll sag enough for you to tip toe. If it's a street bike with stiffer suspension you're probably fucked.

>>17220194
That's a recipe for disaster. Focus on getting smooth and fix your vision and body position. The knee dragging will happen naturally when it's necessary.

Then you get over it and avoid doing it to save on knee pucks.

>>17220541
Ceahlau. Which city are you from?

>>17220534

You're going to be tip toeing.

I have a ~30" inseam and my tallest bike has a 37" seat height. It sags a good amount with me on it, and I can just barely plant the balls of both feet, but that's it.

>>17220557
my pegs scrape the ground an hour before my knee does

>>17220550
Its a husqvarna supertmoto bike, so hopefully it wil sag. Ill swing by the dealer and try to sit on one.
>>17220589
Damn alright.

>>17220534
it's hard to say. depends on the width of the bike

>>17220534
wranton rides a tt and is 170cm, you'll be fine

>>17220613
right, Well since it is a supermoto shouldnt the tank be quite thin compared to a supersport bike?

>>17220638
you'd think so

best bet is to sit on one

i've been pleasantly and unpleasantly surprised many times

>>17220638
>>17220534
You'll be fine m8. You might have to tip toe to put both feet down but the normal way to stop on a dirt bike/dual sport/supermoto is to just put one foot all the way down and keep the other on the peg.

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>>17220610
Assuming this is the right bike you should be fine once the springs compress. But you'll have to sit on it to be sure.

>>17220653
Alright, thanks for you help
>>17220657
Got it! Thank you, thats how I've been seeing everyone ride their supermoto pretty much.
>>17220659
>dat filename
I laughed thank you lol, I forgot about that site actually but it is the husqvarna 701 supermoto.

>>17220694
Just ask baird then, he's a midget and rides a 701.

>>17220557
I know its stupid but getting my knee down on the touge is my biggest goal right now. I'm not pushing myself past my limits but it sucks that everyone makes it out to be so easy but I still can't do it.

>>17220587

Iasi

>>17220694
im 5,8 and have a 701 with zero modifications. can keep one foot down or tippy toe both.

have also seen it lowered, but thats for people who are like 5.4 I guess.

your height is perfect for the bike, I almost feel a bit tall on it sometimes when considering seating position and pegs/shifter/rearbrake.

>>17220784
>your height is perfect for the bike
don't listen to people who say this kind of shit

>>17220800
talking stock retard

tall and heavy people always have to modify their shit

>>17220827
>speaks in absolutes
>calls others retarded

>>17220827
What is tall and heavy?

So I want a bike, the Ducati Panigale 1299,but I never owend one so first I'm getting the Ninja 500, after that con I finally go for the Panigale or is there some medium 'stage'?

>>17220949
With this attitude you may as well just get the Panigale and kill yourself already to waste less money for your family.

>>17220949

>I've never ridden or owned a motorcycle
>I want a Panimeme!

Can you actually articulate why that motorcycle is the one you want, or is it because its red, says Ducati on the side, and "it's the fastest!".

Are you even supposed to be posting in class?

Just buy the Panigale idiot.

can i start my bike without transmission oil with no ill effect as long as i don't ride it around?

>>17220976
no

>>17220784
Thank you for that info! Do you shift your buttcheek to one side to flat foot?

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just got my first bike. how do i stop stalling so much? just practice?

not enough throttle? clutch out too fast?

>>17220994
Work on not dumping the clutch yeah.

>>17220994
latter. your idle could be screwy too.. if it's carbureted?

>>17220983
even if i keep it in neutral?

>>17220862
tall people might have raise the bike?

heavy people sag the suspension so it lowers it.

tall AND heavy compounds that i would think

>>17220994
learn how to operate a motor vehicle

>>17221010

Just put oil in it shit for brains.

>>17221017
there's a hole

>>17220994
Is that a sticker? Where can i get that?

>>17221019

Fix it.

If you're doing engine work while waiting on a new crank case cover or something, JB weld it until you fix it properly.

Don't run your bike without all fluids at appropriate levels.

>>17220999
how do you let the clutch out fast enough to not be sitting at a light forever? or maybe it just seems like forever

>>17221003
it is carbureted. i just cleaned it

>>17221013
will do

>>17221023
i dont think they make it anymore. look up death machine corpse. they had some stuff like that before and now all their stuff isnt as cool

>>17221048
More throttle. You're stalling because of your clutch control though

>>17221025
i want to see if it's burning gear oil or injector oil

it'll be easier to see which if there's no gear oil in it

>>17221060
gotcha. thanks
shits embarassing, but everone starts somewhere i guess

>>17221048
what bike and what's your rpm at idle?

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>>17219835
>>17219848
>>17219854
Smart Decisions you say? :^)

>>17221074
For real. I went into the MSF course and killed 3 bikes' batteries from stalling.
You'll learn soon enough

What is the best ~600cc sport bike I can get new for $6000-7500?

>>17221089
>another 959
Fucking Christ that's like 4 now.

>>17221127
>4 anons with a 959.
...wat? There's an 1199 anon I think? Maybe an 899, and an 848 anon.

>>17221010
yes. half of the transmission will still be spinning.

>>17221120
probably the 2006-2015 gen Yamaha R6 at this point

>>17221120
>new for $6000-7500
DR650

>>17220751
Damn, I'm at the opposite end, Oradea. Been to Iasi last summer on baiku. What do you ride?

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What's the best way to listen music while wearing a helmet?

>>17221243
helmet speakers

>>17221243
IEMs.
I still think it's dangerous though

>>17221243
Ride through a concert

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>>17221282
I'd only do that in a truck

>>17221243
I just have regular ear buds that I plug into my phone and put one ear in. Works fine except they've started unplugging a lot and I don't like being plugged into my phone which is mounted to my handlebars, so I'm looking for Bluetooth ones.

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>spool stand wont arrive till tomorrow
>forced to ride on dirty baiku

at least I now have more than one picture.

>>17221353
How do you like the eff zee so far?
What bike are you coming from?

>>17220784
>im 5,8 and have a 701
Baird put your trip back on

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>>17221396

Loving it. More comfortable than my weeBR and I love the burbling triple sound. Great commuter bike.

Deja vu.

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>like CBR300R ergos except seat could be a bit further from the bars so I don't feel like I have to curl up over the dash to get my head down
>CBR650F has a 2.7" longer wheelbase
>but the riding position is the same and the back wheel just sticks way the fuck out
Sharing seats with naked bikes was a mistake

Any bike nerds here that can point me in the right direction to removing wheels?

Is my oil drain plug supposed to have a crushwasher/gasket? I just picked up this bike but its just a plain ol bolt on there.
>97 gs500

>>17221530
where's your bike

>>17221530
>unbolt shit
>take wheel off
Dont forget to bolt shit back on though

>>17221536
If its leaking maybe
If not dont bother

>>17221536
If it isn't leaking, don't worry about it
>T. Expert on crush washers

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>>17221538
I need some new pictures on my phone of it

>>17221576
>t. Expert dick sucker

>>17221530
Just download a service manual, unless you have one already then use it.

>>17218543
I can't find any DRZ400 SMs for sale near me :( craigslist a shit

>>17221829

It's a pretty recent sub-model, there wont be many on the used market yet.

Just get a regular DRZ400, and if you like it enough trade it out in a couple of years for a used SM, or just a set of SM wheels.

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What are some good leather jacket brands to check out? Just something black or brown and fairly simple.

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>how I feel rn

>>17221834

Belfast.

>>17221839
Oh brotha. Make it home or are did you pull off?

>>17221850
Still here lol. Just rain, only just got it fixed. 2006 with only 650 miles

https://orlando.craigslist.org/mcy/6131562010.html

Is this a real thing? Is it really a naked hayabusa?

>>17221850
>>17221839

Riding in the rain isn't particularly scary on a dual sport, especially if you have dual sport tires instead of straight street tires.

I've ridden in absolute downpours where the roads were covered in running water in town, on the interstate, and through steady rain in mountain passes just fine.

Slow it down a bit, be mindful in corners, avoid the center of the lane and stick to one of the wheel tracks from cars.

>>17221839
I don't understand the context of your picture.

what happened to Amerifag?

>>17221860
How about you actually Google Suzuki B-king?

>>17221843
Aren't they expensive as fuck though?

>>17221860

"The Suzuki B-King is a streetfighter manufactured by Suzuki,[2] that was unveiled in 2007.[3][4] It uses the same 1,340 cc (82 cu in) engine that is fitted to the second generation 2008 and on Hayabusa, but with different exhaust and inlet systems.[4]"

That was hard.

>>17221864
This. The only reason not to like riding in the rain is if you aren't prepared with adequate rain gear.

>>17221870
Alright good discussion thanks nice talking to you guys about bikes

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Wohoo! I am no longer a no-bike /dbt/! 82 Honda CM250 Custom with 12k. Started on first crank, and made it around the block without bursting into flames. Nothing even fell off.

>>17221871

You didn't state a budget.

>>17221860
>Hayabusa power in a comfy riding position
So a Hayabusa?

>>17221879

Man, there are an overabundance of '82 Hondas.

I've got two myself. A GL1100 and a CB750SC.

Nice bike! Enjoy!

>>17221881
What's a good but budget brand?

>>17221898
Harley Davidson

>>17221898

Goodwill / local second hand shop.

>>17221898
Don't buy safety equipment on a budget, buy the good shit or don't bother.

NEW
>>17221942
THREAD
>>17221942
FUCK YOU CC81, SAM hasnt happened yet! edition
>>17221942

>>17221942

>>17221942

>>17220354
more power to you, good luck carrying more than will fit in your backpack/always having to wear a backpack

>>17222518
Stupid trip faggot
Move to the neu thread

>>17220534
>ridng tall bikes
>trying to flat foot them
you're already doing it wrong. when you come to a stop, shift in to first, and put your left foot down, use it like a kickstand. if you only ride bikes you can flat foot you're going to miss out on a lot of fun
>>17220694
>thats how I've been seeing everyone ride their supermoto
thats because its the right way to ride one
>>17220737
for me its not so much hard as scary. i carve harder than any douche on a harley, but i dont get anything down. more spirited riding than hard riding
>>17220994
learn how to ride
literally spend an hour in first gear burning out your clutch in the back yard feeling for the bite point, getting rolling to 2 mph, stopping, then doing it again with no throttle. if your bikee makes more than 20 horse you shouldnt need throttle to get moving, only to get moving quickly
>>17221243
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1494669790048.webm
>>17221530
>get bike off the ground
>remove chain if working on rear tire
>take off brake caliper
>remove cotter pin
>remove castle nut
>remove axel
>the weel is remove

>do in reverse to re install