Literally all I want right now.
Share your experiences with 90s Doyoda sportboxes.
my buddy's project AE92 coupe at the moment. yes that's a rats nest in the dash.
People seem to have misunderstood the MR2 love.
This car is not competitive. This is not a car you compete with for initial D ass bullshit. This is an auto enthusiast's oddity. Does it handle well? Sure. Will it race well? No, not exactly. Auto enthusiasts love it because it was such a unique cool idea that never caught on (the affordable econobox mid engine car) but it didn't catch on for a reason here.
Not while I owned it.
Was always tip top shape
Here's my old NA
Its 90s and Toyota. 4 door, rwd, 5spd turbo 1j. I love it but I honestly think the car hates me because Im always fixing something (mostly due to improper maintenance on behalf of the previous owner).
I want a sw20 so bad. Anybody wanna trade?
Don't waste your money op.
The J series engines have always been superior to the S(low) series.
You aren't a rally or pro racer. Stuck with speed.
So slow it was used in jgtc supras.
I bought my turbo when I was 18 from a guy who had it for a very long time, hopefully he doesn't think I ruined it. Only thing I've changed on it is wheels and tires, but i've added a ton of miles from how much fun it is to drive
do it fagt. JZX100s are the coolest
k lets do it
Just bought a Jap shit box last month. Very fun. I recommend it.
It was sunny today so I popped the T-tops off and drove around for a bit with the heat cranked up.
>tfw shittiest sw20 on /o/
at least I have muh turbo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've got one, pic related.
I'll be real with you, and you WILL hear otherwise from other people, but owning and working on this car for 5 years I've learned the following. I'll try to keep it short.
1) Car handles like shit from the factory, regardless of model year. Especially with factory shocks and open diff, it's complete fucking garbage.
>pre-suspension revision models are fixable, more ideal geometry and adjustable front caster, you can get it pretty damn good
>post-suspension revision models will never be ideal but can still be improved greatly.
>Suspension is very simple to work on
>see: Wilhelm RaceWorks suspension geometry kit
2) Random questionable design decisions
>most stuff pretty easy to work on, car well put together, but a few shitty things like any car I guess
>Factory exhaust pain in the ass to remove, go aftermarket if you plan on doing work under there fairly often
>Couple coolant hoses a massive bitch to get to
>oil filter right next to goddamn turbo downpipe
3) 3sgte is a pretty good engine to get decent power out of with all factory internals, but lots of outdated shit
>pair a properly configured ecu with upgraded fuel system, upgraded turbo, and upgraded intercooler, and you'll be pretty happy with the results
>fucking ancient efi system, ancient ignition system, uses a goddamn vane-type airflow sensor ffs
>If you're putting a lot of work into your car you WILL want to go to a gen 4 swap relatively soon, ideally with something like an aem infinity ems
I guess that's it? I've got too much stuff to type out so meh. This car WILL be a massive fucking money pit if you're serious about it but it will be a WORTHWHILE money pit.
Also forgot to add under suspension:
Front caster is a huge deal on these cars.
You'd want ideally at LEAST 7° of front caster. It makes a WORLD of difference.
what's your suspension setup? I have a stock 91 and feel like i've reached the limit of stock suspension after thousands of miles of driving hard on the touge. friend of mine with a pretty much stock s2k can dissapear from my headlights within a mile or two, and he already has ohlins on the way. i'm on a budget so I'm just going with koni yellows but not sure what else to go with
nice cars, my old one
would get one again but a rev3 or rev 5 turbo
Yea Sf craigslist. Already has an upgraded turbo and a rebuilt engine.
If you want to get a mr2 make sure you get one that hasnt been modded. If you do get a modded one make sure that it has been done right. These cars are bitches to work on and simple things like a timing belt change or some coolant lines will be a nightmare.
Dont buy a project unless you are willing to spend a lot of time and money.
dawg the handling ain't that whack unless the USA rev2+ suspension was fucked up. black or yellow bilsteins (UK or Jap that I know of) are brilliant. loads of mr2s are tracked regularly on stock suspension and do amazingly. no snap oversteer, great cornering. probably the biggest strength of the NA mr2 is the handling...
If you pair it with potato tier tires tho...
I'll dust off my ancient trip I guess, that other guy wasn't me.
>Wilhelm suspension geometry kit
>Wilhelm caster plates
>Ohlin inverted strut coilovers
>Swift springs (5k front, 7k rear)
>Quaife torsen LSD
>Prothane (iirc) bushings
>TRD (hollow) swaybars front and rear
>random other little bits, like swaybar reinforcement plates, etc
So overall I've got at least $5.5k in suspension parts, probably a lot more, I really need to keep better track of my purchase records.
But if you're on stock suspension first thing I'd recommend is to get rid of the factory shocks/springs. They're dangerously soft. Don't go stupid hard either with spring/dapening rates. I wouldn't go more than 8k springs in the rear with factory sway bars. Fronts you want a bit softer but not radically softer than rear. Rates are up to personal preference. Konis are great, and will outperform most shitty coilovers on the market.
Next I would STRONGLY recommend the Wilhelm RaceWorks suspension geometry kit if you have the know-how to install it. Torque specs and assembly procedures are very critical. I think it's about $500 for the kit. It will make a world of difference, basically like driving a completely different (and not shitty) car.
If you've still got money after that, get the Wilhelm caster plates. They compliment the geometry kit fantastically.
polyurethane bushings are a plus but by no means a critical modification. Factory bushings are not horrendous on this car, and I probably wouldn't touch them unless they were going out or I had money/time to burn.
>tfw the 2jz powered car i want is the most is the most expensive one
Rev 2 suspensions were identical everywhere as far as I know. Toyota got lazy with revising the suspension. Instead of correcting the basic geometry issues of the suspension (namely roll center and lolbumpsteer) to make it more controllable, they took the lazy way out and just extended the trailing arms. This made the car behave more predictably at the limit but also made it noticeably less responsive.
Of course people compete in MR2s with stock suspensions, and do well, as with many other cars with known suspension faults. It doesn't mean it doesn't still have blatant flaws.
The SW20 does not have a well-engineered suspension. Something like the Lotus Europa does. That's the fact, no matter how many people defend the SW20's horrendous handling characteristics as "HURR A BONUS FOR PRO RACECAR DRIVERS"
ty ilu senpai
Np, if you want more info check the related boards on the MR2OC forum. Lots of knowledgeable people there who know much, MUCH more than I do. They do that stuff for a living.
No that would be the AWD sw20 transmission-tunnel guy
Nice build man, how much do you have in your sw20 in total?
Any full body pics of it, or pics of the suspension?
I can't decide what I want my next car to be. I'm a Jag guy but I want to go with something opposite for lulz, and I was thinking either a 90s tuner or an E46. What's the MR2 like to drive?
I've really got no clue until I go through all my records and finally compile an excel sheet with everything. I'd guess around $10k, not including the tons of parts sitting in the garage waiting to be either installed or sold.
Exterior is 100% stock, looks like any other ordinary '91 turbo, even down to the stock wheels/tire sizes (which I use most of the time). I'll post a pic. I haven't taken any real full body suspension pics, I don't have a lift. I've just got a few potato pics like related.
Here's the turbo I owned for close to a year. I just sold it less than a week ago. Bought a Skyline, no regrets. It was a mint little car and I'll miss it, but it wasn't quite what I wanted
And here's a recent-ish pic.
In stock form it's still relatively fun. Both the NA and turbo have an okay amount of power. Rear-biased weight distribution is interesting if you've never driven one before. Driver controls, ergonomics, cabin view, etc. are all relatively good. Just don't expect it to handle like a Lotus or anything.
The first and third generation MR2s are also worth considering. Both have better handling characteristics compared to the sw20, and the mk1 is a CHEESE WEDGE
With the kit, the fronts will fit with stock 14" wheels (at least with a 10mm spacer like I'm using). Rears won't fit because of these two spacers. I've currently left the spacers off so I can freely swap between my 17" and 14" wheels. I use the 14" set with beater tires just for daily driving. I'm trying to avoid using my 17" wheels until I get a new set because they're a pain to take off with the hub ring adapters. Also they're ugly as shit.
I really want one but I think I'll have to settle with an auto or a 5sfe engine. And they're all beat to shit or crazily overpriced. What's a good price for a decent condition? Maybe 4000$USD?
I want to but I don't at the same time. I feel like it would be too front heavy.
Almost sold mine after bending some valves in my winter beater.