>>14315171 And the Z32 became obsolete. What's your point? >>14315173 Nissan's marketing team is going after idiots who don't know jack shit about cars which happens to be their current primary demographic barring their two performance cars anyway.
What if we wage war on this crossover cancer guys? Vandalize the shit out of them everywhere in every city. Dealers will have a nightmare selling the "marked for death" vehicle and based nissin will return our cries of anguish with a usdm straight six single turbo monster to shit all over the frs corvette etc etc etc
>>14315180 >>14315189 I just have a bit of skepticism, because Nissan is making this big to do about how the new Z needs to be "revolution, not evolution", and this big push to capture the millennial/youth market
I'm nobody important, but I think the decision to turn away from the IDx concept, and walk down this road of "we can only have 2 sporty cars, the GT-R and a riced up Juke!" is going to bite them in the ass
>>14315225 canttelliftrollorretard >>14315232 It's not too much of a surprise what they're doing; imbecilic millennials (read: normies) don't want sports cars but they want the image of one which is why Nissan is shitting on the Z name for that since for whatever reason crossovers became popular. >millennials (read: normies) don't want sports cars but they want the image of one This is also why the newer Celicas/V6 muscle cars/Eclipses/Scion TCs and so on are as popular as they are, by the way.
t. fellow marketingfag (I assume you're in marketing if you're a salesman)
>>14315232 Honestly, I doubt it. Sports cars are such a niche market that Nissan/Renault is banking on the sales from a sporty crossover more than making up for it. Which honestly isnt all that hard to do.
There was an interview with someone from renault a bit back and they basically said this is the era of crossovers and that niche sports cars are a massive financial risk for the company.
They take much more engineering and have been giving less returns for the company recently. Although with the drop in oil prices and economic recovery maybe that'll change. I hope...otherwise it's just sad.
>>14315260 Haha used car sales, so marketing in a way. And get what you are saying. the Juke was far more successful than I thought it would be, but I don't understand why you wouldn't just keep the Juke, and push the Rogue to be a more stiff competitor against the CR-V/Rav/Escape? You don't need to kill your affordable sports car to recreate a vehicle you already have in your current lineup
>>14315294 But again, who's gambled on a niche sports car and lost in the last ten years? The GT86 was a success. The Miata is/was a success. the WRX is successful (even though Subaru gets that paper from the SUV's).
The GT86 has limited success I think. In terms of performance it definitely was a success. In terms of sales.....eh.... I know people don't like autoblog but
>Okay, folks – it appears we've got a problem. The Toyota GT86, Europe's counterpart to our own beloved Subaru BRZ and Scion FR-S coupes, is apparently not selling too well. This, according to Toyota's European Vice President of Research and Development, Gerald Killman, is what's limiting plans for additional variants of the rear-drive coupe.
"A faster version of that car would be at the top of most people's wish lists, but like the cabriolet, it is hard to justify a business case to push either model into production based on the current sales," Killman told AutoExpress. "Personally, I think that engine could use a little bit more," he added.
This is what scares automakers. They have to fight established brands like the miata and mustang in the US. FRS/BRZ did pretty well in the US, but without worldwide success, some companies will be hesitant to invest heavily. I think in Nissan's case, they just simply dont' have the cash to blow, especially not with Renault staring down their line up. Just my two cents.
>>14315368 Just an addition, I'm not saying it's impossible to create a sports car success, but for a company in Nissan's position, who was just bailed out by Renault, I can see why they decided to try and ride the hype train.
Honestly, all this depends on how the consumer market will react. If we continue to embrace crossovers and SUVs, then nissan's gamble will pay off. Personally, I'm hoping it's a success because that will potentially give nissan the flexibility to start experimenting again.
>>14315401 Buzwords? Maybe if I said "degenerate" Whatever man I don't want to get banned again for posting non /o/ shit I just saw a connection and was wondering if anyone else saw it No need to soil yourself
>>14315368 >>14315392 I guess it's the /o/ in me that thinks/assumes the IDx would have met with great global sales numbers. And from a marketing perspective, I can see why they are resurrecting the Juke under the Z name to build hype...but I still don't like it lol
In my dream world running Nissan:
-Offer the Juke with a 6MT & AWD, which is the drivetrain combo we all want but that they don't make, and push the Nismo Juke as the sporty millennial crossover chariot
-Revamp the Rogue to compete better against the Escape and CR-V, push value for dollar as the selling point
-Keep the Z as a 2 seat sports car/roadster, but go the ND Miata route and get back to basics/roots of what the car was when it was born
>>14315332 >Haha used car sales, so marketing in a way. And get what you are saying. the Juke was far more successful than I thought it would be, but I don't understand why you wouldn't just keep the Juke, and push the Rogue to be a more stiff competitor against the CR-V/Rav/Escape? You don't need to kill your affordable sports car to recreate a vehicle you already have in your current lineup They want to use the Z name and presumably they didn't find the 370z profitable enough to warrant keeping it. It's a great jack-of-all-trades sports car but most people who want performance in the first place go for either blistering straight line speed or ridiculously tight handling, not a compromise between the two. >>14315387 If you're a /pol/tard who doesn't understand how actual politics work then sure. American muscle is "Fuck you I do what I want" whereas traditional conservatism is "I WANT TO SEGREGATE MINORITIES AND MANDATE RELIGION BE TAUGHT OVER SCIENCE ALSO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOOT PEOPLE FOR LOOKING AT ME THE WRONG WAY." Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same shit coin who both harbor a "us or them" mentality.
>>14315464 >If you're a /pol/tard who doesn't understand how actual politics work then sure. American muscle is "Fuck you I do what I want" whereas traditional conservatism is "I WANT TO SEGREGATE MINORITIES AND MANDATE RELIGION BE TAUGHT OVER SCIENCE ALSO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOOT PEOPLE FOR LOOKING AT ME THE WRONG WAY." Conservatives and liberals are two sides of the same shit coin who both harbor a "us or them" mentality. I can go on further about this but I'd rather keep politics out of here. I would still say >>14315387 has it backwards if anything because Japanese sports cars haven't changed their formula much whereas muscle has become a lot more refined
>>14315450 >hey nissan look what toyota made, a cheap rwd sports car Nissan: Oh cool, so they're selling lots of them?" >...well not really Nissan: "Alrightly then, let's dump lots of R&D money into building a car that competes with a car that isn't selling" >Cool! I'll go tell my friends at 4chan and Jalopnik!
>>14315189 Yeah, because Renault hates fun, and totally weren't making the very best hot hatches on the market until they went completely insane recently and decided Renaultsport should be made more "accessible".
>>14318648 Don't forget the new Alpines that are coming. It certainly is Renault and not Nissan themselves that haven't put anything interesting out (western market) in the last 20 years besides the gtr
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