if this car was RWD it would be a FRS/BRZ killer ford make it happen

>>14262167
IF that car were RWD, it'd be either FR, or MR.

If FR, it'd be way heavier - perhaps even heavier than the FRZ.

If it were midengined, it'd be so impractical none of the base Fiesta's sold, and thus no ST would exist.

>>14262182
Why would it be heavier than an frs in the FR layout?

/serious

FRS/BRZ doesn't need killing

>>14262230
Because it already weighs the same as an frz because Ford can't into chassis design

>>14262230
It's already close. Having to transfer that power from the front to the rear requires adding more moving bits which add weight.

>>14262239
this

FiST, FRS, and MX-5 aren't for fucking benchracing. They're for having fun within the speed limit on a modest budget, and all three deliver.

>>14262167
AWD maybe.

RWD on that platform would be pants-on-head retarded. Why make that car RWD when making it AWD would be no heavier and drivetrain efficiency is only very slightly worse?

But of course, no one would make it RWD or AWD because it only has 190 hp which can't cause nearly enough wheelspin to necessitate it in the first place.

Unless they decide to pull a Mitsu and design the next 4G63.

But they wouldn't do that either because the chassis platform a shit for racecar.

>>14262243
they should have used MILTARY GRADE ALUMINUM

>>14262273
>MILTARY GRADE
I always laugh when I hear this.
There is no such thing as military grade.
There are different series of aluminum. I'm sure the military has uses for them all.
>Fucking Ford pandering to retards yet again

>>14262273
Generally if something is military grade, it was made by the lowest bidder and purchased at a ridiculous price. SOUNDS LIKE A FURD HUH LOL?

>>14262280
>implying other companies are any better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIC7Fw1rFF4

>>14262296
Yeah gm is guilty of pandering to retards too
>want your kids to die???
>buy another car
>want them to live??
>buy a GM
Absolutely disgusting

>>14262280
>There is no such thing as military grade.

Yes there is...

Maybe not for aluminum, and probably not in Ford trucks, but there is such a thing as military grade components/tools/devices/fasteners that are built to higher standards to withstand higher tolerances.

>>14262308
clearly someone doesn't care about his kids.... i'm sickened, quite frankly

>>14262312
No.
That would be milspec. Not military grade.
And it does NOT apply to metals

I really want that car, was really holding out for something rwd but a speedy little hatch with good gas mileage is probably a better choice and Im sure id be happy with it

also its fucking cheap

>>14262312
Found the retard that fell for the ad

>>14262321
Yes there is hahaha.

Take the bolts we order for aircrafts for instance.

Depending on the aircraft, we order bolts that will break a certain way during a crash, or handle the stresses of continues vibrations over hundreds of hours of flight time and never break.


>>14262331
Never said Ford applied this lol

>>14262266
Their 2.3 Ecoboost is already pretty similar to the 4G63 in terms of how much abuse it'll take - but they'll never put that in the Fiesta.

>>14262354
The metals have to do with different alloys.
Absolutely nothing to do with the military.
If you work on aircraft and don't have this knowledge you should be fired.

>>14262359
>Their 2.3
You mean mazdas?

>>14262368
Should've said ''the 2.3 Ecoboost...'' instead of their, but yeah, Mazda's.

>>14262364
strawman, faggot. never said it applied to metals

I'm arguing the existence of military grade. Or military spec, what ever you normies want to call it

>>14262376
>I'm arguing the existence of military grade
is this how you thought your life would turn out?

>>14262376
I already said.
Military grade is a way to make idiots think its cool.
Milspec is the correct term
Military specification. The military is very bureaucratic. The bureaucracy sets forth specifications for what they need. Like a 70 or 50 series aluminum for example depending on application. Then there will be another specification for the shape and another for the size and so on and so forth
Get it?

>>14262388
Amazingly? Yea pretty much. I'm pretty much set for retirement.

>>14262388
rekt

>>14262391
Informally we call it both, feel free to call it either

>>14262402
The point is.
Ford shouldn't say it at all.
The word "grade" means nothing at all as far as the military goes.
It is not a correct term for what they are trying to imply.
The military had nothing to do with the development of the truck.
Nor does the military design things in grades at all.

>>14262416
Nor does the military design metal or manufacture metal

>>14262416
fair enough m8, I'll agree to that.

>>14262167
>boyracers wanting a small hatchback to be RWD :^]

Maybe save up for a Focus RS?

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>>14264278
>spending 40k on a focus

>FR-Z86 killer

it'll be the v8 mustang killer

>faster off the line 'cause AWD
>lighter
>better equipped
>more practical
>four doors

>>14264316
Do you ever post anything serious?

If you buy a FRZ you are an actual retard and we don't want you around. It's not that you like something different, it is that you have broadcast to the world that you are a fucking idiot and don't even know it.

We aren't a bunch of brand fags saying you bought the wrong car. We look at you and we see a faggot that is trying to buy himself into a lifestyle. You aren't a racer or a sports car enthusiast, you are a fucking poser. Nobody likes posers.

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>>14264319
you forget where you are?

if it was FR it would be retarded

>>14264278
>clutch-plate rear diff
>rear diff can only handle 80% of stock torque, so any aftermarket tuning will even more bias the car towards the front wheels
LMFAO

>>14264326
Is this a new copypasta

>>14264329
>Guys I was just pretending to be retarded!

>>14262167
>FWD sub compact weighs as much as RWD sports car
Thanks ford

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>>14264420
>sports car

>>14264425
Shut up weeb

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>>14264425
Rwd
2 doors
Lightweight
Focus on driver involvement

Sounds like a sports car to me m8

>>14264425
>smug anime face
>tumblr filename

kill yourself

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>>14262167
>if this car was RWD it would weigh 3000lbs and cost $25k+

>>14262167

Short wheelbase, rwd. Yeah that would be a lot of fun, if you managed to avoid wrapping yourself onto a tree.

>>14264442
>trip hassling anime on anime board
>trip on 4chan hassling shitty image sharing services
>trip
you tried, a least.

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>>14264442
>tripfag

>>14264442
As if you're any better, tripfag.

>>14264478
>>14264481
>>14264487
bigtime samefagging

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>>14264515

>>14264536
We know you edited that.
Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>14264515
Nope, sorry. Turns out more than one person on /o/ agrees on something, and it isn't about cars.

>>14262167
>it would be
it already is

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I think you're really just looking for an updated version of this OP.

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>>14264576
This is what fiesta drivers actually believe

>>14264691
Post your 160whp power curve too m8!

The only FRZ86 that is keeping up with me is if it's boosted, and even then it'd be closer but nothing definite.

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also, it's pretty much dead even stock.

>useless benchracing

>>14264728
Put normal tires on the frs and it would win

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>>14264728

>>14264691
the fiesta st out handles the frz at every turn
pun intended

>>14262239
This tbqh

>>14264797
Not sure what you're trying to say other than the Fiesta was .04 seconds ahead of the BRZ in total lap times?

My point is they are extremely close on the track (to the point it's negligible).

>>14264795
Well, if we're modding the cars, give the Fiesta an AP and Protune at the same price as the tires you buy, and the FRS still loses.

>>14264827
>modding
No.
Just matching the tires on from the fiesta to the frs.

>>14264839
this is still modding

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>>14262167

>wahhhh I suck at driving and can't have fun in anything that requires more than slamming my foot on the gas to go sideways :(((((

>>14264691
see
>>14264326

>>14262239
This guy has got it, the FRS/BRZ is not a race car. It's a 200hp RWD car with Prius tires. It's meant for fun, not red light racing.

>>14264845
Prove to me that FWD is just as good.

>>14264846
If you buy a Fiesta you are an actual retard and we don't want you around. It's not that you like something different, it is that you have broadcast to the world that you are a fucking idiot and don't even know it.

We aren't a bunch of brand fags saying you bought the wrong car. We look at you and we see a faggot that is trying to buy himself into a lifestyle. You aren't a racer or a sports car enthusiast, you are a fucking poser. Nobody likes posers

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The worst part of modern cars is that many are designed with driveshaft channels for RWD applications. Many modern cars are only a few parts and a few changes in weld points away from being RWD.

>>14264874
>>14264877

Go away, you're not welcome here.

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>>14264874
>Fiesta lifestyle

Anyone not an enthusiast doesn't look twice at Fiesta ST.

>>14264893
Normies won't even notice a fiesta.

>>14264860
I don't think people understand the situation. It's not better or just as good as rwd, but its not bad and can be very good for the price point.

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>>14264889
Come at me bro.

>>14264893
>enthusiast
>fiesta
Pick one

>>14264900
That's what I was trying to say, thanks.

>>14264911
You said look twice
I don't think they would even see it at all.
Enthusiasts flat out won't care.

>>14264893
>understeers into the grass

nice

>>14264923
Enthusiasts generally know what the ST badge means, a few know about the Fiesta ST as well, but you're right, the average enthusiast probably doesn't have much of an idea either.

>>14264930
>Consumer Reports getting hektik in their car review

>>14264860

"good" can mean any number of things. All drive-trains have their pros and cons and excel in places that the others do not. The FiST works so well for what it is because it retains extremely neutral handling while also getting the convenience of fuel mileage, superior low-grip traction, and interior space that FWD inherently brings.

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>>14264951
>what the ST badge means
It means hopped up shitbox
Poorly built and cheap
You get what you pay for
Pic related

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>>14264877
where does the exhaust go?

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>>14264724
Dyno curves won't help you when I'm passing you on the toogay

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>>14265056
Out the fucking sides nigga.

>>14262167
Yeah, but driving one makes you look like a faggot.

>>14265104
>says the newfaggot posting on 4chan

>>14264877
sorry sir, you're an idiot
"driveshaft channel" that you're referring to is there to provide structural stiffness of a floorpan. Even rear-engined cars have it.

>>14262167
Making an FF platform into an FR platform would require a new chassis to be engineered which costs a whole lot of money. Its not as simple as placing an engine longitudely and botching an FR layout in place, automotive platforms take years of designing, engineering and testing. Factories have to be retooled, new parts need to be supplied, shit needs to be worked out m8, regulations and all that shit, only way you could have an FR layout in the Fiesta is if you used the Mustang platform and put a Fiesta on top, but thats not easy to do either, other way would be if the next gen Fiesta was had an FR layout, which is unlikely. But if you really want an FR Fiesta you could probably botch one up yourself if your were determined enough.

>>14265398
actually it's there for the exhaust. It doesn't provide any useful stiffness because it's at the center. But car manufacturers often want to occupy the center space with huge ass consoles because that's the fashion thing to do.

>>14264874
Fuck, I almost bought this bait until I saw that it was just a rephrased version of an earlier FRS/BRZ post.

Comparing the ST and the FRS is kind of stupid. I know people cross-shop them because they're both performance cars at a similar pricepoint, but they're really no more comparable than, say, an S2000 and a WRX.

>>14262388

You realise you're arguing about the same thing, right?

>>14264441

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