what is the best off-road suv money can buy? I care about primarily

>>14260095
Not a jeep

lifted tundra

>>14260095
Are you talking about new model vehicles?

>>14260135

new and old, preferably under 40k miles for used

>>14260095

Most modern internal combustion engines are reliable, assuming they're not made in China or India..

As for the ground clearance part, whichever SUV comes with portal axles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_axle

>>14260143
What's your budget? Best option might be slightly used jeep jk and use rest of money for mods if you're in the US

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>>14260095

>>14260095

Unimog, Tatra, something like that. Not some plastic mall crawling soccermom-mobile.

>>14260176
I get your decision making skills, but neither of those qualify as SUV's.

OP, as much hate for jeeps is there is, there's just as much of a reason why so many offroad enthusiasts use them here in america: the aftermarket for them is just about unlimited for whatever offroad potential you need/want. As long as you buy one that's meant for offroad in the first place, you can't go wrong. The engines are old as sin because they're reliable, same with the transmissions. Electrical is going to try to kill you, but again, get one meant for offroading, and you'll notice very little electronics in it for that reason.

UK/EU? ignore my post then. I know jeep isn't a smart buy as cost and parts won't merit importing.

get an ex military land rover

>>14260095
Land Cruiser, Pajero, or Patrol.

>>14260551
>why so many offroad enthusiasts use them here in america
Because they work fine for people who will not risk death because their car broke down.

G-wagon

>>14260770
I'm confused as to why you quoted my post, unless you read your quote, and only your quote. If that's the case then, please stop doing that.

>>14260814
I read your post. My statement was accurate in response to your post. The reason ANYONE has them is my reason, they can afford to have a weak, unreliable vehicle. That doesn't mean he should settle for it if he lives in America.

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>>14260805
I'd argue this aswell, specifically the new G500 4x4*2

Problem is ofcourse that its so retardedly expensive that nobody except russian oligarchs will use it for offroading, or even actually buy one

previa conquers all

>>14260850
People already are, though. That vehicle has already existed for some time thanks to LeTech who Mercedes contracted for the G400 4x4*2 (fucking annoying name). The LeTech conversion is fairly popular among G-wagen off roaders in the USA. As popular as a 60,000 dollar conversion to a 100,000 dollar car can be.

Still, I don't think the G is the best off road SUV since it doesn't even have skidplates from the factory. Really don't understand that.

>>14260095

Older jeep Cherokee, not the newer shit.

>>14260883
But the KL is far better off road than the XJ. Unless you mean FSJ Cherokee, in which case it's better than an XJ but still very no.

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Are you looking for pure off-road performance and nothing else? either way i gonna suggest a samurai inb4 rollovers

>>14260835
ah, I see; you're doing "a thing". The way you wrote your initial statement, it could taken like a jeep driver would never risk their life in a vehicle that could break down, inferring they're sound vehicles. You meant it like jeep drivers are okay with their vehicles breaking down, because they are never in a position where something bad could happen if it did.

Well, your opinion is noted. Care to make a recommendation for the US crowd?

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>>14260899

The only good I've heard about pic related off road is the electronic transmission/differential.

>>14260931
The Land Cruiser 200 is the best off road vehicle you can buy in America, currently.

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>mfw this fucking thread

This just shows most of you faggots have never been on any kind of offroad journey and likely have only driven your mums shitbox/minivan.
I remember a thread a while back where half you faggots admitted to not even having a fucking license yet you still argue about shit you know nothing about. One kiddo here unintentionally admitted being 16 years old "with the future intention of buying a car".

keke

>>14261068
Please, add your most likely completely stupid suggestion.

>>14261068
Is that Ben "One Click for each Spic" Garrison?

>>14261072
Nissan Xterra. Gets me through the puddles and to work on time!

>>14261080
Indeed

"Off road" is a much broader spectrum than "On Tarmac"

Especially when $ isn't an issue. But basically comes down to either a military 6x6, or a 2WD trophy truck. Or a dirt bike. Or a snow mobile. Depends on the trail width, terrain and preference, really.

>>14261113
>Nissan Xterra
Oh god, fuck off.

>>14261113
>Nissan Xterra
Didn't know other people had these on here

To make suggestions is like saying a Formula 1 car is superior to an AWD super car providing a course made on public roads. Where an F1 cars suspension can't take very well.

>>14261164

actual autism.

>>14260970
dude, please post a picture that captures your idea of offroading, as we clearly have different opinions on the subject.

Admittedly, it doesn't help that I know a couple people who are into the moab shit, so that's where my mind goes when I offroad, not gravel and dirt roads heading to a house outside of town.

A Hummer, but definitely not an H3 like in your pic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7WW8ztw97Q

Lada Niva

>>14261155
its like your don't want Superior jap engineering and a sexy roof rack

>>14261378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMuBrtzaEwk

>>14263489
>inb4 "my mom's camry could do that"

>>14261463
Hummers are pigfat useless piles of shit off road. Much to heavy for the kind of use it would see on the trails up here.

>>14261378
Moab is part of my idea. You think an LC200 can't do Moab trails?

>>14261463
But the H3 is the best off road vehicle Hummer ever made.

>>14263610
I think it could handle the standard trails that every other SUV can handle. There are a lot of very technical paths that I know a long wheel base and low entry and departure angles aren't going to handle. If you had picked a 4runner instead, I would have agreed with your decision as the 4runner has a fairly healthy aftermarket for gearing it towards pretty intense offroading. There's quite a few groups that are 4runner based and they do lots of moab stuff. However, a jeep honestly has their shit figured as far as offroad is concerned. You implied engine issues, but I've never heard of a jeep getting stranded because of mechanical failure (off road platforms, I'm aware of the grand cherokee's pump issues). Honestly, I'm more of a isuzu guy, but there's just not a big enough of an aftermarket save for the samurai to really make them a proficient offroading vehicle. A stock first gen trooper is absolutely amazing for the price point though.

>>14264188
gdi, amigo. I wish isuzu could claim they made the samurai.

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>jeep

>>14263616
>GM
>best at anything

nice meme

>>14264188
the 4Runner does not have more stuff than the LC. At least, not stuff you would actually want. But that isn't the point. I'm talking stock, and in that form it could handle all but the buggy trails at Moab. I never said anything about engine issues, but Jeep certainly has its share of poorly engineered engines. The real issue is the rest of the car Weak suspension, axles, frames in the case of the XJ, and awful factory off road performance up until recently.

>>14260850
Did you know the Australian Army literally has thousands of them?

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>>14268164
Heh, didn't know that... they look a bit more capable than the old GD240's I was driving around in when I did my national service

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>>14268204
Norwegian GD240 for reference

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Gen 3 pajero/montero/shogun with a 6g72. Cheap, reliable and easy to maintain. Popular in australia, africa, russia and surrounding post soviet countries. Makes you really feel like a warlord driving one.

>>14260761
Second for the landcruiser and patrol

>>14270138
>Makes you really feel like a warlord driving one.
yeah, on the streets of Sydney...

>>14260751
Better yet a Perentie

>>14270138

swb pajero stomps the lwb when in comes to offroading.

>>14270138
>Gen 3 pajero/montero/shogun with a 6g72
I thought they were initially released with the 6G74, and then the 6G75 later on?
Regardless, going with either option over a 4M diesel would be incorrect. That 4M41 is one of the best small diesels you can get in a consumer SUV. Unless you're after the revvy natue of the otherwise decent V6 options.

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>>14270257

swb anything is prefferable to lwb anything when it comes to offroading.

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>>14260095

>>14270257
>stomps
Not quite, but while it may be of an advantage in some scenarios, you're then limited to day trips and over nighters.

>>14270266

6g72 is the only engine capable of taking 91-92 octane fuel, I believe, which I add to 'reliability'. The 3.5 and 3.8 litre engines require 95.
My only objection against the 4d engine is that diesel in most shit-tier countries is literally donkey piss and paint thinner.

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>>14270138
Kazakhstan reporting in. Never thought I'd see it mentioned here since americans dont have it. The pajero is a great all around suv. Here it has nickname "бeгeмoт" - behemoth, hippo. You forgot to add that it also has pretty good stock clearance, super select, and an integrated chassis(that's a pro!).
Cons are the abyssmal mileage for a 3.0l engine. In the city I average about 15l-17l/100km with heavy traffic. Climbing mountains and hills and the mileage grows into mid 20s.
But the fuel tank is 90litres so it can take you pretty far and back.

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>>14261164
Autism

>>14260912
probably best thing op can get for his money for heavy offroading

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>>14261068
>>14261113

>>14260805

military contractor prices. not worth if youre not a contractor or a chechen bodyguard