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Okay guys, today is the first time I will buy a newer sports car. I've already owned a miata, a beetle, a civic, and chevy pickup (inb4 meme cars). Now, I've had a very good job for about a year now, and I expect to hold this job for the next 10-15 years (80k annually). I've basically narrowed it down to 2 cars, the 2015 Subaru BRZ or the 2015 Ford EcoBoost Mustang. They are both new, have similar warranties, and cost about the same. I cannot exceed a 27k budget out the door.

Which is better, the Toyobaru or the 4 banger stang? Is there a better car in this price range?

Please excuse the ugly pic, took 15 seconds on paint.
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>>14254399
>not getting 27 corollas
But seriously, Ford a shit
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Forgot to add, I've already test driven both of these cars. The BRZ was a lot more "fun to drive". It was nimble, the steering felt good, good visibility. Only thing I can't shake is the lack of power it makes. I was pulling 3k RPM at 70 mph on the freeway in 6th gear.

The Mustang was noticeably faster, the interior was a lot better, more roomy. It felt a lot more daily drivable, but I can't get over how huge that thing felt. Visibility was total ass, car felt a lot heavier. But it ended up being 2k less than the BRZ out the door, full warranty, and more packaged features. HELP ME.
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Test drive both and see which one you like. Also ask yourself if you will regret buying an Ecoboost instead of saving a bit more for a GT.
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ford has a turbis

worst case ontario, crate 302 swap
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>>14254432

I already test drove both, as mentioned in my last post. And the GT 5.0 is completely out of the question. the brand new, fully packaged 2015 Ecoboost was 27k total, a base model 5.0 was 39k. I'm paying half cash, half financed,
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>>14254399
give the Fiesta ST a test drive too, it easily competes with the BRZ in the fun factor department
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>>14254432
Typed up before >>14254422 was posted.

Well OP, just ask yourself which you'd rather live with. Is a big car that bad, or is a car that's not quite as quick so bad? That 3k Rpm is where it's supposed to be though, that little torque dip is working to get you good fuel economy for long drives.
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>>14254399
If you absolutely have to get one of the two, get the Toyobaru.

Mustangs are a dime a dozen. At least the 86 will be somewhat unique.
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>>14254422
Mustang and spend the 2k you saved on mods. Although really I'd get a lightly used 15 gt even if I had to go over budget.
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>>14254399
Don't buy either of these. You could buy a much better used car.
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>>14254399
Get a gti
24kish
Lots of incentives from dealership to nuy right now
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>>14254445
Us dollars? A basic gt is around 32 new. 39 is more like a track pack premium.
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I've got a used mustang. Buy mine off me. I want to get a wrx
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Used Cayman S

Faster than the Mustang and more nimble than the FRS
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>>14254490
>wrx
Just a smidge better than a rustang.
But still shit
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>>14254472
Such as? This will be my primary car for the next 5 years, so I would like to spend the least time under my car as possible

>>14254454
>>14254473
I did test drive the Focus ST, didn't feel that much different from the regular focus, besides make me feel like I was going faster than I really was haha. My first car was a mk4 gti and it was very unreliable, haven't really looked into the newer GTIs desu senpai
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You should get this for 23k instead https://www.beepi.com/Buy/scion/fr-s/2015/JF1ZNAA19F8709354
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>>14254507
Well, you could get a 2013 Toyobaru with less than 50k miles for about $17k or less.
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>>14254507
>Such as?
>>14254497
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>>14254497
I would love a Cayman, but this car needs to be a daily and a 2 seater is very impractical. And
>insurancelol
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The focus and the mustang are REALLY similar to drive man...
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>>14254513
Insurance is surprisingly cheap and Caymans are very easily daily drivable

>needing more than 2 seats
Do you have kids?
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>>14254511
I wish man, I've looked everywhere for the last 2 weeks. I'm in vegas, and people want gold for their shit here. I could pay close to 17k cash, but people want 22k for used toyobarus, when I could get a brand new 2016 for 2-3k more.
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>>14254507
My mk6 hasnt let me down but i dont like the way the new mk7s look But you might check them out
Also the focus rs just came out
Its out of ur price range but its cheaper than the 5.0 and in my opinion better
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>>14254523
So go outside Vegas and drive it home.

For example, within 300 miles of where I live there's 20 for less than $18k. Three for under $17k.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/cars+under+18000/Scion/FR-S/Huntsville+TX-77340?endYear=2017&firstRecord=0&makeCode1=SCION&maxPrice=18000&mmt=%5BSCION%5BSCIFRS%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=SCIFRS&searchRadius=300&showcaseListingId=0&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=1981&Log=0
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>>14254513
>2 seater is very impractical
here ya go you cuck
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>>14254521
Not as of yet, but I do plan on having kids within the time the loan would last. But idk, I love these cars, but I've never actually driven one. I'll see if one pops out for sale and I'll go test drive it.

>>14254526
I would love a Focus RS, but 35k MSRP base and launch still months away really turns me off.
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WRX? Genisis? Are there any sporty Lexus in that price range?

Bmw, merc, and Audi a shit for that range I'm pretty sure.
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>>14254445
>a base model 5.0 was 39k
You wot?
Base GT is 32k american if i recall correctly. With PP, the only package you should be getting it's 34k. And this is 2016 model numbers i'm pulling, should be lower if youre going 2015.
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>>14254553
E46 M3 would disagree with you
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>>14254553
Subaru does not negotiate AT ALL on their WRXs, I tried looking at those, and they go for like 30k base. Say what you want, I can't fully trust Hyundai. And the only eurolux car I can get for my price range are all base models, lowest trims.
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>>14254561
He said he wanted a new reliable one desu

I own an E36 M3, Shits been reliable as fuck but it's no where near new.

>>14254563
No Lexus's? I'm not sure about their line up so you'd have to look around
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>>14254572
And yet he expressed interest in a used Cayman
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>>14254422
Visibility is fucking great in the mustang what are you talking about
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best car under 27k?
bf xr6 turbo with 10k of mods. 400kw fury machine

oh wait you americans can't have it what a pity

what about a 297 clubsport/senator..oh wait can't have that either must suck to live in a shitty country
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>>14254755
oh that particular xr6 turbo pictured is currently for sale for 18k nz sheckles. 390kw 6spd auto whilst maintaining comfort
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>>14254422
>I was pulling 3k RPM at 70 mph on the freeway in 6th gear.
doesn't have anything to do with power
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>>14254759
>>14254755
driving an automatic performance car is like paying someone to fuck your wife
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>>14254755
How much horsepower does that sweet spoiler give you :)
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>>14254778
its tiptronic. not even that bad. still an auto but isn't that bad you autistic fuck. I've driven a 350rwkw xr6 turbo with the 6spd auto and the fact it isn't a manual doesn't even cross your mind as soon as you put your boot in it
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>>14254755
>>14254759
>>14254826

Fuck off and take your shit opinions with you, John.
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>>14254507
Used GT. I would look at some cpo 335i's.
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>>14254848
my opinions still better and more fun than some turbo 4 banger mustang. what an uneventful sounding pile of shit. also the worst part is you have to tell people you bought a mustang and didn't get the V8
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>>14254399
I will go for the 86
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>>14254399
You will regret the ecoboost, just ask any ecoboost owner and they would say they wish they got the v8. I want an 86 myself but not sure about the reliability of the engine. I would get an Honda accord v6 coupe manual. At least it won't look like your trying hard and it will be pretty quick
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>>14254399
What about a Genesis coupe?
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>>14257204
>but not sure about the reliability of the engine
The only ones with issues have been abused. If you don't like crickets, avoid it.
>>14257204
>I would get an Honda accord v6 coupe manual.
Over a Mustang?

Really?
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>>14257217
>recommending a shitty gook Mustang
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Op are you a little slow.

The brz is the best choice. You know the old Honda NSX and how low it was? The brz will be more like that than the mustang. It has that sports car feel. The mustang is a huge car and doesn't feel sporty.

Drive the brz. You will soon realize it is the best even if it isn't as fast.

Look at motor trends ultimate drag races. The brz never crosses the line that far behind.

Plus it looks good and feels special.
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>>14257266
>You know the old Honda NSX and how low it was?

Well, it's certainly closer to the NSX than the mustang, which is enormous by comparison. And BRZ is still smaller in every dimension, aside from height.
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>>14257227
Most FA20 engine are under 100k miles its to early to tell how reliable. And yes I'd rather have a v6 coupe accord than an 4 cylinder Mustang. At least it's not trying to look fast.
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>>14257293
>Most FA20 engine are under 100k miles its to early to tell how reliable.

They're closely related to the FB, which has also been reliable so far.
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>>14254422
Get the stang bro. The brz is just an frs with an extra 3-5k for the subaru name.
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>>14257334
>The brz is just an frs with an extra 3-5k for the subaru name.

Most Scion dealers won't budge on price. Most Subaru dealers will. And the price difference isn't that high unless you're getting the upgraded trim BRZ.
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>>14254399

There is literally only one answer.

Pic related.
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>>14257374
>under 27K

I'll take two!
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>>14257266

nigga needs to learn to white balance. Shit photo editing bruh.
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>>14257358
Idk about that but at any rate for my gf's fr-s i got them down to 19k with a full cash offer and retained the warranties from the previous owner. Granted its carmax but the price difference is definately there even without the limited brz
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>>14257403
They won't budge on a new FRS. But for used, $19k at 8k miles is a great deal though
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>>14257395
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>>14257403
Pretty sure OP is comparing prices new. In which case:

FRS = $25,305
BRZ = $25,395 ($27,395 for the Limited)

But yes, the BRZ will retain its value much better than the FRS in the used market.
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>>14257490

So when you posted the picture of the brand new Cayman, you were actually saying OP should buy a five year old model, in a foreign country, for nearly $38,500 USD?
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>>14257542
OP said a "newer" sports car less than 27k. Didn't specify it had to be brand new. Or had to be dollars.
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>>14254455
Engines are more fuel efficient when making more power. That torque dip is because the motor is shit.
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>>14254399
WRX limited. Got mine for 25.5k
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>>14255244
autos are for faggots. what does that make you?
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>>14257607
>what does that make you?

the gayest
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>>14257266
brz's are for faggots. i'm sorry but you have obviously never driven a car that is faster than you shitmobile econobox disguised as a sportscar and you know it. there is a minimum power required for a new car and the brz comes up way short.
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>>14257617

3/10
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>>14257617
>there is a minimum power required for a new car
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>>14257643
>>14257646
Its true tho. Only a fool would spend upwards of 25k on a car that would get its ass handed to it by my 25 year old mitsubishi. in stock trim might i add. the brz is a cuck car for women and children.
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>>14257719
Stop living in forza bro. You sound like the guy who has to race at every stoplight.
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Get a Skoda OP.
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>>14257736
if you want to own an appliance car that looks pretty power to you but no enthusiest worth a damn would waste their time. thats just simple fact. toyubaru could have put a decent engine in the car but chose not to. you don't have to get all butthurt because you made a shitty purchase. if the car was ugly no one would buy it. its a meme car for those who came from fwd and think hondas are fast
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>>14257617
>>14257719
>>14257762

1/10
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>>14257762
>its a meme car for those who came from fwd and think hondas are fast
don't make me post it
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>>14257777
whatever you have to tell yourself to stop from crying when you make that car payment on your brz sweetie. this is what the rest of the automotive world thinks of you. rwd meme car. just like the miata. if either were fwd no one would bother and you know it.
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>>14257790

-1/10
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>>14257817
hey not everyone wants to pay more to go slower. if it wasn't for suckers like you toyubaru would be forced to not make shitty cars but thank god for the rwd meme lovers.

also your fake plastic fender vents complete the boy racer look i'm a big fan. throw an aluminum wing on that thing and it will be perfect.
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I've test driven both these cars.

The brz has better visibility, you sit way lower, and just feels more special. That said it is true its slow. But if you can get over that its much better in every other way.

After getting out of the frs and into the mustang, you immediately feel like you are sitting in a truck. The hood is huge you sit way higher, and visibility is pretty meh. The power is much better and honestly the handling is pretty decent but the steering feels very disconnected and that accompanied with the high seating position makes it not feel like a true sports car.

The brz has all the attributes of a great sports car. The looks, the seating position, the handling. The one thing its lacking is the power. This is a huge one...but for me i'd still take the brz.
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>>14254399
If you buy a FRZ you are an actual retard and we don't want you around. It's not that you like something different, it is that you have broadcast to the world that you are a fucking idiot and don't even know it.

We aren't a bunch of brand fags saying you bought the wrong car. We look at you and we see a faggot that is trying to buy himself into a lifestyle. You aren't a racer or a sports car enthusiast, you are a fucking poser. Nobody likes posers.
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>>14254399
Buy a lightly used 370Z or a BMW. Mustangs are stupid big and the BRZ is pathetically slow. Also two seats is fine. You aren't going to be putting a car seat in the back of a two door anyway. If you are serious about the kids thing you have to buy a four door. Focus ST is nice. Its FWD but at least it isn't pathetically slow like the BRZ.
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>>14257899
>You aren't a racer or a sports car enthusiast

I have a sportbike if I want to go fast, and its faster than that turd you call a car. Now I want you to show me a BRAND new rwd car that costs under $27k.
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>>14257899
>lifestyle
Guess how I can tell the guy who originally wrote this was a stancefag
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There are frs's in my area with 30-35k miles for $15k-17k.
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>>14257579
If you don't believe me, ask the people who tuned the curve to be flat and then got shit mpg.
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>>14257998
Buying a brand new car at the under 30k price point is pants on head retarded. But since you asked, mustang doesn't suck. Miata at least gets you a drop top. Buy a car with like 10k miles you dummy.
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>>14254399

A fucking porsche cayman you stupid fuckhea goooood
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>>14257899

When will you ever move out of your moms house? Stop driving around the twins trying to race them at stop lights with her v8 van laughing like we care.

It's like when a 350z with horrible exhaust and huge wing, Pulled along side me on i5 revving furiously while I looked over looked at his trunk exaggerated a laugh and kept driving, pissed off he sped off and got off at woodland exit.

What a bad ass mature v6 300hp mature adult.
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>>14254399
>Not getting a used lexus for 10K and saving the rest for something really important in life

>inb4 but i can pay for this
Sure, enjoy being poor forever, because you waste money on new cars.
Srsly, how hard is it to get a used car, ffs?
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>>14257617
Here's my response


Global warming.


Less power is a good thing

Making the platform make up for the lack of power is good and good for the environment.


Fuck you
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>>14260611
>being this much of a cuck
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>>14254399
Personally, I'd go ecoboost (assuming manual, ofc).

Also, are you planning on modding it in anyway? If so the FRZ is slightly more justifiable, if not, Mustang.
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>>14260771
>modding the 86's
>when these things are going to go classic the instant they're taken off the market because 99% of the used ones are going to be molested by ricerboi's
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>>14254399
Look at the Hyundai Genesis Coupe. I'd say it's more bang for your buck than the other two.
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>>14254399
>not buying an 86
>not giving your 86 to your son 15 years later and forcing him to make pizza deliveries on the toegay
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>>14254399
obvious b8
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What about a 6spd G37?
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>>14264628
I don't know about you but I don't think I would want to buy a 'luxury' coupe with a manual
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>>14264665
I mean it's just preference, there's plenty of them in auto with awd or rwd that's your cup of tea. For me I like all the creature comforts with rwd and a manual
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>>14264628
Mmmm dat 4000 lbs
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>>14264745
your mom weighs about the same so dont make jokes
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>makes 80k a year
>wants to buy a shitbox every second high schooler drives

I dont get why you feel the need to lie on a cambodian ice cube maker forum
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>>14257577
You are so stupid that I shouldn't respond but I did. So you win then
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How about the Hyundai Genesis? It's lighter than the Mustang (I think?) and certainly faster than the FRZ. It seems like the middle ground between the two cars. Alternatively, if you don't like the idea of owning a Korean car, there's the 370Z, which is also a middle ground car.


Miata - light, slow
FRZ - light, slow
Genesis - medium
370Z - medium
Mustang - heavy, fast
Camaro - heavy, fast
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>>14265007
fuck off gook shill.
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>>14265018
Japs are gooks too and no better than Koreans.
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>>14265052
>Japs are gooks too
what?
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>>14265059
And they're no better than Koreans.
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>>14254422
My focus pulls 3K at 80 in 5th gear. Does the BRZ just have shorter gears?
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>>14264745
>>14264847

:D
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Not OP, but I'm in a similar situation and I didn't feel the need to create a new thread. I'm looking to spend at most 26k and I was looking at 2012 135i's and 2013 G37's. Can I do better?
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>>14254507
New Civic Type R, that's the only right choice.
That maybe look too mad for some people, but i like it.
>JDM is life
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>>14265234
Get a 2010 135i instead of the 2012.
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>>14265255

Any particular reason? Just curious.
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>>14265244
>paying 30k+ for a civic
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>>14265264
Based N54
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>>14265244
>JDM is life
>designed, engineered and built by europeans
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>>14265273
I think that its quite cheap.
>Golf R
>Scirocco R
>Mercedes A45 AMG
>Renault Megane RS 275
go look for the price of those.
>>14265379
Its a Honda with 300hp+, its Vtec+Turbo. I dig it.
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>>14265402
>paying over 30k+ for a golf, slightly different golf, shitty merc slapped with amg labels, or a french car you can't even buy in NA
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>>14265108
>Does the BRZ just have shorter gears?

It's close ratio with sixth being the only overdrive.

Though the auto has a taller final drive ratio.
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>>14254399
if you're in the u.k. get the mustang.
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>>14265433
Those cars make alot of sense when you have high taxes. In Europe there are no affordable "V8 moutors", even V6 are expensive.
Here those cars are good choices for the price (except for the Merc that costs over 70k €).
So you can get the ideia i give you this example:
>Mustang 2.3 Ecoboost 315hp - 48k€
>Mustang 5.0 V8 421hp - 90k€
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>>14257403
Damn I got a used 15 for less than that carmax seems like a complete rip off
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Stock Subaru WRX.

Later on you can install racing seats and it's the best thing for that money

>AWD
>268hp
>Good looking
>Four doors
>Performs well on or off road and on the track
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>>14266763
looks good from the front, looks like a nissan sentra from every other angle.
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>>14266763
It's also fucking unreliable. WRX isn't your Subaru wagon dykes drive.
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If you get the Toyobaru, get a BRZ in World Rally Blue, my money is on it having the best resale value down the line, and I simply think it's the best-looking version.

I'm not a fan of the car itself, though. I haven't gotten the "special" feeling when driving them, it just felt like a Miata with a really good hardtop and the interior is cheesy and awkward. It certainly can't compete with the Cayman.
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>>14254399
i plan on getting a mustang sometime soon. im going the v6 route though. aftermarket turbo kit makes it the best bang for your buck of any new car imo.
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>>14257617
below satisfactory effort
3/10
- see me after class
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