>Get a RWD
>it'll be much better than a FWD
Holy shit RWD is retarded. Fucking slip and slide bullshit. I'd much rather have some control with my understeering instead of this shit.
what a retard. Even my gf with 3 months driving experience has been driving this winter on heavy snow and icewith her e36 (no TC equipped) without any problems. I did buy her decent winter tyres though.
Currently driving a RWD car with summer tires that are at about half tread in several inches of snow and a fair bit of ice. You're fucking retarded if you can't handle driving a RWD car with proper tires in the winter.
FWD is good for the burnouts and the togay though.
Is this why most racing cars including virtually every form of touring, Formula etc got RWD or AWD?
Or do you consider racing tracks not as streets? Do "regular" streets have other characteristics?
All touring car racing is almost exclusively FWD.
But yeah, the streets are better suited for FWD. But if you have any experience of proper amateur racing you'd know a well set up FWD car is just as good, if not better than a RWD car.
Bait thread is obvious.
But fuck it I'm bored. There is a very logical breakdown for drive train usage.
Three basic go fast theories are in effect. You can have a cheap heavy car with tons of power (muscle cars), a cheap light car with high agility (ITR/Miata), or a car with both that's very expensive (supercars, STIs, Evos ect)
The first category rwd is superior. The second category fwd or rwd are both equally applicable, and the third category rwd or awd are equally applicable.
Just depends on what the fuck you want.
Just examples to make my categories clear.
It's pretty indisputable that running an Evo is more expensive than running an MX5, even in the most basic terms like tires, brakes, oil, the things you need to change frequently when you drive hard. They are more complicated too in terms of repairing problems, which will require more tools, expertise and shop time.
"cheap" is relative to what you can afford to do, not just the asking price on craigslist.
yep, I even taught her how to do skids on snow and how to control sideways. she did spin out once before I bought her new tyres though. If you suck at driving you will crash with any car, no matter if fwd awd or rwd
>People who haven't driven downhill on fresh flat ice that is so clean you see the reflection of the car in front as if it was a mirror.
Even when I slowly changing from 5th to 4th made the tires slip with Nokian Hakkapeliitta 7.
>fwd breaks traction mid corner
>let off throttle and hope grip comes back
>rwd breaks traction mid corner
>provide power, preserve your angle and your line OR let off power and wait for grip to come back
the possibilities are only limited by you rwd
With front wheel drive you understeer off a corner, crash into a tree, and die.
With rear wheel drive you oversteer off the corner, crash into a tree backwards, and die.
Rear wheel drive is better because you don't have to watch the tree coming at you.
He's called a sperg for a reason.
I'll tell you for a fact that my s10 isn't even close to 50/50. Trying to drive on pure ice in that thing sucks, as soon as you hit the brakes the rear end just slides right out. I even have winter tires too
>implying all of thr implications
Why am I a shitposter? For not benchracing? For labeling bait as bait? For trying to be helpful and offer advice where I'm knowledgeable? For not creating bait/shitposting threads?
lewl your just a shitty driver who cant into rwd oversteer because your fwd shitbox cant into anything that isnt understeer
awd is objectively the best handling in your shit europiss weather
if you cant rally, offroad or drive rwd in mud snow or rain you need to get WAY fucking better at driving son
I don't participate in it. Saying I prefer rwd and talking about the physics that generally favor rwd or awd isn't the same as just out and out shitposting like the "corey" poster does with incomprehensible posts and random ad hom directed towards good posts.
If you want a hug box go to tumblr. Of course there are good fwd cars, chassis >>>>>> drivetrain after all, but fwd has inherent disadvantages like having a majority of the weight up front and having weight taken off of the drive wheels on acceleration.
ive driven alot of fwd i just fucking hate them.
>No character due to shitty open diff and front suspention
>front heavy so if you rape through a corner even 3/4 the speed of a rwd/awd it will overtake itself ass over end
>mostly owned by talentless retards who think they can drive
thanks for giving all car drivers a bad name in your shitty swift or whatever shit u memers drive these days
go get a focus st boost it and come back to me
Oh whats that your too poor?
>THE CURRENT YEAR
The fact remains, oversteer is controllable, understeer is not. No matter how much mental gymnastics you try, you cannot refute that.
FWD is useful in short platforms that would otherwise be too unstable in a RWD configuration, such as mini coopers and other hatches.
>how to control understeer
slow down and steer where you want to go
>how to control oversteer
countersteer at the precise amount so as to not over correct and swing the opposite way while hoping you dont suddenly catch traction and launch a way you dont want to go
Accord is the best for all weather conditions over a rwd car.
I drive my dads BMW and I go over a icy bridge and oh my god the reat end swings out out of nowhere I was going straight and swoosh it go out to the side I had to counter steer like on top gear. I was so scared. But I managed to save it.
Then I was merging on an icy freeway and damn it do it again! Here I am trying to get to speed limit and fucking thing steps out on me again! With cars next to me! So people see I'm in a stupid BMW rwd car and give me sympathy and slow down so I can puts my way into traffic without killing myself.
And this is an e46 with blizzak winter tires.
So fuck that car in the winter. It gets stuck way to easy too. I'll keep the accord - the better car.
Dear God you are utterly useless. If you can't make an e46 stick with blizzaks you should probably commit sudoku. Your dad is ashamed of you. The Accord is a superior cubical shuttle but is utterly miserable in every way.
SO let's get this straight, you accidentally enter a corner too fast and you understeer into a wall, and that's better than being able to have a second chance when the rear end steps out?
If the rear starts swining then you're at fault, not the car. If the rear tires are slipping because the tires don't have traction as soon as you give it even the tiniest amount of power then you're on shit tires and should not be driving in those conditions. But, if you're on a flat, smooth surface going straight forwards and still the tires are kicking out then you really need to evaluate what you are doing wrong. If your tires are that shit then perhaps its time to replace them
And Blizzaks are really not the best studless tires when it comes to grip on ice, not even the newest WS80
I bought a Frontier because I missed snow skids and wanted a small truck. I haven't bothered to buy sandbags despite the snow. RWD doesn't fair as well as FWD in the snow, but that's the fun about it.
I inadvertently put myself in a slide on the way to work this morning taking a left turn through a yellow light. Didn't even feel it start it was so smooth on the wet pavement. Good thing there was enough shoulder to countersteer.
Such is life for the California driver with no experience in wet conditions.
Grip on ice and snow; Nokian Hakkapeliitta R2
All-around performance; Goodyear UltraGrip Ice2
Offroad ice and snow; Arctic Trucks 405
Fuck you you shit. It's called ice on the road. If I'm buzzing along at 90kmh with my foot on tha gas holding that speed and I hit an icy patch and the rear wheels spin of course the rear end will slip out.
So I immediately let off the gas so the wheels catch traction some where's and fuckig get on with it bitch.
This is highway driving and on black ice essentially.
You bitch you don't understand how rwd cars react on ice I doubt you've driven a rwd car on ice how can it be my fault when just driving along normal and the rear wheels end up spinning on ice. Get fucked.
They seem to be sold pretty much only in northern Europe I'm afraid
If you're US-based then the best tire that I know is available would be the Hakkapeliitta R2. It lacks performance on both wet and dry tarmac (nothing that will kill you, perfectly stable tires) compared to its competitors, but makes up for it by easily beating everyone else in performance on ice. Traction on snow has pretty much been "figured" out and the difference from cheap tire to expensive tire is not very big, with just a few metres seperating them (bold text are studded tires, normal are unstudded). These numbers are braking on snow, 30mph to 0mph in meters
I don't understand how the rear tires are slipping if you're travelling at a constant speed in a straight line. With sudden acceleration, slope on the road or a turn then I can understand.
I've never had my tires lose traction doing a constant speed, but I can't say I would be as "brave" as you to continue doing that speed if I knew that as soon as I hit a patch of ice my rears would start slipping. If you know that your tires will lose grip at the speed you're doing if you ice then I can only say that it is 100% your fault
And as for my own experience... I drive a RWD car about 8500 miles every winter, with the roads being scraped ice usually from around mid-November to early April, with speeds up to 90kph. I don't ever really go over that speed during winter unless I'm doing an overtake on a good surface with plentyof room due to the increased chance of moose & deer crossing the road, increased braking distance and retarded tourists.
Once again; if you lose traction and its not some freaky shit like an oil spill you couldn't possibly know about or similar (its fucking winter, you should be aware of what that means for your traction) then you are responsible. You should at all times handle the vehicle so that you are able to safely stop incase something happens that is not completely unthinkable.
I wrote wrong, the brake test on snow is 50mph to 0mph, not 30mph to 0mph
Also forgot to include the list
and if you're interested; 30mph to 0mph on ice
and finally; all the tires included in the test, with those in the red zone being studded and the ones in the blue being studless
And I'd like to add; yes, I run expensive studded tires on my car, but I have also been driving perfectly fine in the same conditions in the same car (difference would be that mine is automatic and my friends car is manual) on super-cheap Minerva studless tires that I would never recommend to anyone, with grip so horrendously bad that I have a feeling they're just shitty all-seasons with a snowflake symbol
Even driving an old MK4 HiLux on unmodified BFG AT's in 2HI I haven't encountered sudden loss of traction as you describe i
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>mfw I crashed a FWD because all I ever drive is RWD
Lmao studded tires that explains why you never slip.
Listen buddy I was going along at 90kph with my foot on the pedal holding at that speed. Low rpms.
The rear end tweaked out a bit and I had to let off the gas to "regain control" even though I never really felt out of control and the stability control never kicked in. But it's still scary because even letting off the gas might not do much if conditions are shittier than you thought. But road conditions weren't horrendous.
I get along fine you shithead and the rear end steps out sometimes. That's part of rwd life. You have to be on the ball. I'd be scared to go wide open throttle with the trans kicking Down even. I prefer gradual slow acceleration in winter driving conditions so I'm not a lunatic driver you shit.
That's because touring car championships are for poor people. The higher end ones have rear wheel drive teams. FWD is objectively worse for performance than RWD unless you are rallying 40 years ago.
LmAo!!!! You liar. When I let off the gas it regained traction and I continued on. I applied a little counter steer.
Look I've seen every top gear episode and I have months of experience playing gran turismo and Forza. I understand how cars work.
Tires do not magically make it so the car cannot lose traction
As the driver of a vehicle you are responsible for how it handles. Loss of traction and control cannot be blamed on the layout of the car, and is fully your responsibility. If the conditions are shittier than you thought then you have made a wrong assumption and need to correct your driving in accordance with the conditions at hand,
And yes, going back to the first point; a traditional FWD car with a weight-bias towards the front generally performs better in winter, aswell as being more predictable for those who are not experienced driving RWD and practice controlling the vehicle when the rear tires are slipping & figuring out the limits of your traction
If you are incapable of operating a RWD in winter without there being a certain risk of unepexted loss of traction then perhaps you should practice or simply let the car sit and take the bus
Once again; layout is not an excuse for loss of traction. If you're driving in a condition where you have no actual chance to gain traction (going up a steep mountain road covered in wet black ice) then you still cannot blame RWD, as you are the driver and you're the one willingly taking the car into those conditions where it doesn't suffice
Ever been ice-racing? Tons of fun, and a good way to learn
Wtf are you going on about.
You're just ranting about nothing now. Hurr layout isn't responsible bla bla bla. I'd say damn fucking right it is responsible when I'm driving responsibly and the rear swings out slightly when driving over a patch of ice. That is common you idiot why don't you look it up.
And yes the layout is responsible when people always advise you put weights or sand bags over the rear wheels. (Which I also did). Rear wheel drive is an unpredictable bitch in the winter. He'll look up Nurburgring videos of people driving in the rain. People slide out for no reason.
Go fuck your self. All respect has been lost for you.
Its just bait, all of it... I should've realised a tad soooner
Your old shit Mercedes has the rigidity of a string bean. Maybe that's why it never behaves like a proper rwd car on ice patches at 100kmh.
Go to bed Sally. Lay down Sally. Wash your filthy hands.
>ITT: OP gets assblasted over the fact that he doesn't have the reflexes to control a RWD vehicle, which has been proven time and time again to be the more desirable layout. Or perhaps OP was forced into an FWD car and this is the external eruption of his internal conflict over the situation.
My dads 202 has a clunky tranny due to.age/wear
When roads are salted and it only snows a little bit, shit gets really soapy, combine that with a steep.road and tram rails and youll get one heck.of a.ride
Mine is also automatic, but luckily it has done only 121500km, also helped by the fact that I replaced all the fluid, gaskets, seals and filter this summer
Buddy of mine drives the same car, a '94 with a manual that has seen some heavy use & abuse during his ownership. If you time the shift up to third perfectly and also rev it a bit quickly then the stick will just pop right back out. Second gear is also starting to be nearly useless, with the syncros suspected to be absolutely shattered
My best guess is that him & I will have to take a trip to the local scrapyard before spring to rip out a gearbox. Might even find a fitting 6-speed if we're lucky