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Miata too heavy?
What can u do to make my 1.6l NA Miata lighter? My friend has a CRX Si and he keeps kicking my ass
Having a rough time with 5th and 6th gen civics, 3 and 4 prelude, s13, Mustang sn95 and foxbody, and the fucking rx7

Also this asshole kid in a newer mustang, the gen where the face went flat and the lights got rounder keeps harassing me

Can I do a trunk delete?
Does having no top at all benefit more than a CF hardtop? Or does no top at all ruin aero too much.
Is it possible to get rid of that little back space alcove where the end of the top meets the trunk they have for you to throw shit in?
I already smashed out the pop ups, removed the bottom bumper smile thing entirely
CF hood on the way
Tiny ass enkei rpf1 on the way
It still has to be street legal so I can DD it guys
I need more stuff to lighten this fuckin thing
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Lightweight battery, lightweight performance exhaust, lightweight wheels, spare tire delete, get rid of floor mats.

But that's not enough. Get some more power.
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>>14221151
That miata is the fuck estate with why teeth. Jesus christ op you sure didn't what lmao fucking hair fresh car
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>>14221190
What other stuff can I do
What are the lightest weight batteries
CF trunk worth it? Should I just remove the trunk top entirely ?
I've done a lot of that stuff,plus ripped our all the badging
I have stripped the interior, including dash
Basically a mess of wires lol
Removed the other seat too
Replaced my seat with lighter racing one
Removed all the shifter accessories , basically just a long stick
It's all bare metal with just my seat in it now

Should I weld my doors ? Buy CF doors and weld them on?
>more power
I can't find anything
I know a rotary specialist who has a fresh and clean tt FD engine but in not really sure
Plus that'd eat a lot of my budget
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>>14221229
TURBO
U
R
B
O
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>>14221229
>>14221151
Even lightly-modified miatas post competitive times where I race.
Maybe you just need to drive faster?
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are supercharger kits any decent on miatas? I always hear people on miata club and other miata sites recommending turbos but never anything regarding superchargers, why is that?
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>>14221206
What the fuck are you trying to say?
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>>14221229
Not asking you to do an engine swap, just see what you can get out of your current one without doing a full retard tune that.

Cold air intake, larger throttle body + throttle body spacer, a small turbo or supercharger, and some high-flow cat-back exhaust, high-flow catalytic converter, new exhaust header.
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>>14221251
The ducking Mustang guy keeps hitting me in the back when we race
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>>14221229
I think the trunk is worth but I wouldn't get a carbon fiber one. Fiberglass should be good enough. OEM is like 16lbs

It's time to boost it bro
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>>14221277
>>14221280
Literal idiots
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>>14221267
Superchargers are for Murica cars
Tarbos are for Nipland cars
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>>14221151
>I already smashed out the pop ups
You are not welcome here.
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>>14221279
Your car is lighter, has better weight distro, better braking distances and a better turning radius.

Out fucking corner him you moron. Are you hitting your apexes?

>CF anything
Get fiberglass or plastic. CF is used in professional motorsport because it's stronger than steel and they go extremely fucking fast and need that extra strength. You don't.
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>>14221280
>NOT JUST REMOVING THE TRUNK TOP
And gas cap delete
Straight pipe it
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>>14221301
How fast is fast enough for cf
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>>14221309
130 through 90 degree apexes and you hit 10% traction slippage.
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>>14221318
English doc
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>>14221309
Faster than you will ever be able to realistically afford to race in.

Just go with fiberglass or plastic. It's not like a Miata isn't already a fucking deathtrap.
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>>14221151

is that your miata? those steelies weigh a metric fuckton
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>>14221326
If you brake to 130 MPH and your wheels have 90% grip (the best cornering grip because physics and shit) when you hit the apex of a 90 degree turn, Carbon fiber is a good resource to build your car out of because everything that isn't steel will disintegrate if you crash and steel is fucking heavy.


You are hitting your apexes, right?
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>>14221267
Superchargers aren't for 4-cylinder cars. They're belt driven. Get a turbo, they're better for little engines like these.
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>>14221327
How is miata a death trap
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>>14221344
The 037 used a supercharger and it was a 4banger.
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>>14221336
its the one from lightweightmiata.com

it's retarded how much weight the guy managed to get out of it
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>>14221358
You could get more out
Sanding down the inside
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>>14221350
If you are hit anywhere that isn't the front you would be lucky to walk away a paraplegic. They are incredibly unsafe cars.
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>>14221371
Really? Man this isn't fair
I want a cheap sports car and safety
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>>14221350
>How is tiny itty bitty fly poop car unsafe
Anon, I...
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>>14221371
This is a lie
Countless numbers of my friends have gotten side swiped or t boned either on the street or track
Mata owners were fine, even still DD the damaged cars
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>>14221381
Not possible.

Motorsports aren't called a rich man's game for nothing.
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Op is either retarded or underage this entire thread is stupid get more power or tweak the suspension it weighs 900kg you fucking cunt
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>>14221391
And I know a guy who walked away unscathed from a smart car that got ran off the road on the highway. Doesn't mean that the car is safe.

The miata is legitimately absolutely fucking awful in the safety aspect. It was sold so cheap for a reason.
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Can we see a picture of just how much you've done to your car?
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>>14221417
You're an idiot
You have no proof
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>>14221151
.......Why the fuck are you not just adding power?
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>>14221450
Stupid
I want lighter weight
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A retard delete is probably your best bet.
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>>14221417
>I got t-boned by a 1st gen Jeep Grand Cherokee who ran a red light. The Jeep flipped and landed on its roof, and I was able to hop out of my car with minimal injury.

witness
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>>14221151
one simple trick.

Lose weight. You heard it right. Lose fucking weight

Because most miata owners are 400+lbs, its no wonder the engine cries out and the owners cry when a fucking civic smoked them

Its a fact that the best racers are fit
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>>14221454
You already have the lightest or second-lightest car there. You have the best suspension. You have the best brakes. Power will be easier to add and not ruin the car. Don't waste your money on carbon fiber parts, they're retardedly expensive for very little weight loss.
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>>14221447
It's common sense Anon.

Miatas are fucking tiny and come from an era where car safety was "Okay crumple zone in the front, seatbelts here, airbags. Car's now safe"

But the truth of the matter is that it's tiny mass and shitty construction make it a rolling grave. Sorry anon, but even a golf is safer. Do you see that picture I posted? That was a 50 mile an hour crash. One passenger died the other was in critical condition. 50 miles an hour is babby pace.

I don't understand why this is hard for you to accept.
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>>14221460
Known for having a miata. Fag for life
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>>14221474
ok get hit by a 50m/h running miata and tell us how that works for you
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>>14221471
>best suspension
>best brakes

hue
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>>14221474
You just don't get it
You know nothing of cars
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>>14221479
OK, maybe the best suspension geometry and best *potential* for braking, since the car's so light.
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>>14221460
That Miata has a look on its face like "Jesus, war is hell".
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>>14221478
Not dead unlike the miata owner who was impaled on the steering wheel.
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>>14221417
>smart car

Those things were built to be miniature tanks from the ground up though.
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>>14221151
I'm pretty sure that by /o/ standards miata is piggufat.
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>>14221474
You might as well quit cars forever
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>>14221481
wew
and what's that anon?

You know it's okay to own and enjoy an unsafe car. Safe is the antagonist of style and fun, you know.
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>>14221495
He might as well quit cars forever for being informed about older car's safety standards?
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>>14221497
Just shut up man
Shut up shut up shut up
You saying I shoulda git the prelude Inn steed?
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>>14221151
HAGGARD IN THIS BITCH. GET AN EBAY TURBO.
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>>14221505
No, where the fuck did he ever imply that? Just be prepared to suffer the consequences with a Miata. I'm the same way with an '89 Mustang myself, I know I'm fucked in a crash.
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>>14221488
brb making a witty image macro for facebook miata club likes
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>>14221508
How do I buy a cheap sports car and not be associated with the miata crowd
>>14221510
But the Honda drives better and is faster
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>>14221151
TURBO
URBOT
RBOTU
BOTUR
OTURB
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>>14221505
No I'm saying drive whatever you want but be informed about safety standards too. I myself am gunning after a Porsche 964 which are also deathtraps.

But I don't care. I don't mind owning something that beautiful, fun and fast with the tradeoff that it might actually kill me. The high level of danger is something you have to accept if you get into high performance cars, ESPECIALLY if you are racing them.

F1 drivers are the cream of the crop and even they crash and die in their multi-million dollar super track monsters.
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>>14221514
If that's what you cared about, why didn't you buy it? Do you not enjoy driving the Miata?
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>>14221517
ROBUT
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OP confirmed as easily led subhuman loser
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>>14221505
>He isn't informed about the dangers of going fast
Sometimes this board amazes me. Half seem to understand that cars are dangerous and the other half seems to be under the impression that if they drove 150 mph into a brick wall they'd be okay.
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Buy forza
Do time trials
Chase your ghost
Be embarrassed at how much you sunk in your car
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>>14221513
Post it
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>>14221536
Initial d doesn't talk about this at all
It also said that fwd is better than miata
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>>14221520
I wanted a performance car
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>>14221560
why? you can't even beat civics you shitter.
just get a bus pass.
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>>14221554
>initial D says
pic related
>>14221560
Then modify your sports car to be faster
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>>14221575
How are civics bad you dick
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>>14221581
They aren't bad, they're just...civics. It's the quintessential grocery getter of the modern era and getting beat by one in a sports car is pretty embarrassing.
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>>14221581
they're perfectly fine as the grocery getters they were designed to be
but lets be honest they're slow and if you can't beat them you're beyond slow.
lel you shitter
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>>14221592
They are NOT grocery getters
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>>14221600
Econoboxes, daily drivers, ordinary cars, whatever you want to call them, then. Not every Civic is a Mugen Type R Spoon yadda yadda.
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>>14221600
so sorry anon kun
you a shit
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>>14221581
Heavy, + no power + front wheel drive = shit.

That question has to be bait.
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>>14221151
Chop the roof off
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>>14221634
Fwd is not a downside
Civics are incredibly light
Civics handle really well
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>>14221603
You're wrong
>>14221617
K...?
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>>14221643
still easy to beat
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>>14221643

>Understeers
>Front tires get worn faster due to having to accelerate, brake, and steer
>Weight shifts to the rear during take off, after turns, ect.

>>14221652
>>14221600
>>14221581

God, you sound so butthurt.
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>>14221652
What is it if not an econobox?
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>>14221600
They are. There's nothing wrong with that. Some are pretty fun little grocery getters. I drive a big heavy grocery getter that most any civic made in the last ten years will whoop in a straight line or in the turns. I'm okay with that. But I wouldn't be if I drove a sports car.
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>>14221676

This is a meme
Understeer is like snap oversteer or engine inflammation
Not universal and only applies to the cars that don't know what they're doing
>>14221682
>>14221688
How on earth can you be this ignorant ? They're sports cars
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>>14221242
Came in to say this.
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>>14221713
The Type R is a sports car. The SI is a pretty sporty car. The average Civic is neither.
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>>14221713
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>>14221713

>Thinks understeer, snap oversteer, and, "Engine inflammation" or whatever the fuck that is a meme.
>Thinks civics are sports cars.

Yup, you're legitimately retarded.
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>>14221739
>fwd
>sports car
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>>14221739
I'm not arguing for the average civic
Listen man watch initial D, read OverRev, read Capeta
You'll get it kid
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>>14221841
Then why didn't you specify the Type R or whatever?
>watch/read fiction for something other than entertainment
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>>14221344
>mr2 aw11
>super charged from factory
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>>14221344
Also BMW mini is SC

>>14221337
Buy an Eaton M42 refurbished its like $400 iirc. Ensure you get the right pulleys and you'll be golden should get 30-50bhp extra
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Just get an integra, even the integra si is faster, and the same price as an mx5.

Mazda lantis Is good too and cheap cause they're relatively unknown despite being better than a miats.
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>>14222321
>same price
NO FUCKING NO
Integra si is the rarest shir
Even LS inregra is well above miata price range
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>>14222321
>lantis
Also does not exist
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You want the best and most efficient weight reduction? Hit the gym, fatty
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>>14222336
Huh? They're easier to get in decent condition than an mx5, cheaper too.

>>14222330
What planet are you from I said si not type r, type R's are rarer and more expensive sure, but would leave a miata in the dust.

Another couple of suggestions pug 205gti (rare but usually pretty cheap)
Toyota Levin ( ae101 I think (might be ae111) another cheap underestimated car)
Also seen Nissan bluebirds go hard especially the sr20 powered ones, easy to find bolt-on turbos too.
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>>14222365
THESE ARE ALL RARE AS FUCK CARS
LANTIS DOES NOT EXIST
SI IS RARE AND EXPENSIVE
205 DOES NOT EXIST
LEVIN DOES NOT EXIST
BLUEBIRD DOES NOT EXIST
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>>14222365
>fwd
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>>14221151
If you're serious about weight reduction look at how the d1 guys go about it, strip all the metal except for the frame rails off the front and either go with all frp panels or a one-piece front end. Drysump with drysump container in the boot.

Some of em use rear mounted radiators like WRC too
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>>14222383
Faster than a miata though and that's what Opie wanted

>>14222378
Go to bed m8
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>>14222393
Your post is useless
These cars do not exist
You can't find one
If you could then it is way more than a miata
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>>14222393
Who gives a shit about straight line speed
Who gives a shot about stock v stock
One is lighter, shorter wheelbase , and FR
Other is much heavier, much longer wheelbase, and FWD
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>>14222399
I can search right now and find loads for sale, I'll do it when I get home (6 hours) if this thread is still alive, I can't believe you cunts are this dumb.
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>>14221229
"Buy CF doors and weld them on?"
>Welding carbon fiber
Top fucking kek
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>>14221371
>paraplegic
>walk
>kek
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>>14221371
>>14222573
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>>14221279
Stop driving like a bitch.
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>mfw no worthwhile miata in area for sale

what do

I've never wrenched on a car or even driven manual but I figured a real shit 1200 dollar miata would be a great place to start but I cant even find a shitty one let alone a decent one
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>>14224463
Can you please just go fuck yourself ?
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>>14224487
What makes you say that

I just want a car
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>>14224494
Kill yourself
You have plenty of good cars available
But you want a fucking miata
Miata are a dime a dozen where I live, but I want something else, I hate miata
But I can't but anything
No Volvo no k platform no dsm no s chassis no subaru
Just shitty fucking miatas
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>>14224503
I figured if I'm going to start off with something that will pretty much inevitably be scrapped I'd start off with something easy, common, cheap, and decently fun

After I've got a bit of experience under my belt I'd love to jump in to an s chassis or subaru but I'm not confident to jump right in to that

Also every s chassis in my area is a rusted out drift missile with a body kit for 7k
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>>14224463
Where are you at where they're hard to find? Michigan?
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>>14224537
Close, Wisconsin

There's very few in the northeast so I'd probably have to flatbed one from chicago or some shit
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>>14221151
>CF hood on the way
I hope it's actually lighter. Half of the carbon fiber miata hoods I've seen weigh more than the fucking stock aluminum one.
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>>14224555
Wait for it to be not-winter, more of them appear. I almost bought a few here in MN but they were swooped out from under me.
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>>14224524
spoiled bratw
>>14224573
>winter
meme
literally does not matter
it doesn’t change the sales at all
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>>14224573
Well I hope so. I was hoping to scoop one up so I could get it full well and ready for this summer

If not I'll have to settle on whatever deal I can manage to find

>>14224579
>spoiled bratw

how the fuck would any of this make me spoiled

I just need a piece of shit to learn with so I don't destroy something worthwhile.
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>>14224579
He's a spoiled brat for not wanting to wreck an expensive car? And he's in Wisconsin. I'm in minnesota. Winter is harsh here, it's cold as fuck and the roads can be skating rinks half the time. A lot of miatas are tucked away in garages, and will be put up for sale in the spring.
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>>14224594
You're an idiot
I fucking wish I lived in an area where it had other cars than miata
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>>14224601
I'm an idiot for stating my observations? I'm sure there have to be other cars for sale I'd you really don't want a miata. Do you have any particular style in mind, like a muscle car or a lighter, smaller coupe?
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>>14224601
I think you're the fucking idiot here. I don't care if I drive a neon pink miata with a giant dick sticking off the front with TOP KEK written on it in sparkly lime green glitter

I'm getting this so I can get my hands dirty since I have no experience whatsoever working on cars or driving manuals

I'm not going to go to the intersection and try to race faggots or go to a show and show off my slammed miata. I want to put a little work in and then go fast around deserted roads until it literally dies so I can move on
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>>14224616
Blah blah blah
You're a spoiled brat who still doesn't get it
>>14224609
No there is fucking nothing good anywhere near me, I'm sick of miatas, they're honestly overrated and feel like shit to drive
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>>14224624
>Blah blah blah
You're a spoiled brat who still doesn't get it

Go ahead, enlighten me
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>>14224624
What makes him a spoiled brat? Do you mind if I take a look on your local craigslist? I'm sure there has to be something you'd want. I get that yiu don't want a miata, that's why I'm asking for alternatives.
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>>14224639
I don't like your view on cars
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>>14224647
Can you elaborate. Because I feel like you're misunderstanding me here
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>>14224647
That wouldn't have anything to with him being a spoiled brat. A spoiled brat is someone who is given everything they want and still complains.
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fuck's sake /o/ get it together
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>>14221456
/thread
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>>14224692
Mods are fucking clueless so might as well play along.
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>>14224524
Your though process is correct though. If cheap Miatas are unavailable in your area, just consider other cars:
- BMW E36
- Ford Focus
- Ford Fiesta ST
- Renault Clio RS
- Peugeot 306 GTi
etc.

I personally have a Miata, but that is due to the fact that a NA Miata is cheaper than all of these where I live. Pretty much all these cars are faster than a Miata, easy to work on, also fun to drive and have a decent aftermarket.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Miat, but there are other cheap cars for wrenching/weekend driving out there. The Miat seems to be getting close to what I would call overpriced in a lot of areas.
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>>14225326
All of those cars are either nonexistent or way more expensive dick head
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>>14225334
A Focus and a 4 banger non existant AND more expensive than a Miata?
And why do you call me a dickhead?
Go back to watching Faggard Garage.
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>>14225343
*4 banger E 36
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>>14225343
They are way more expensive ass

Also
>recommending fwd over miata

Have fun trying to find any of those cars for sale
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>>14225363
I give up. Have a pic of my Miata, faggot.
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>>14225376
Post real advice
Your alternatives are not obtainable or are more expensive
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>>14225363
All those cars handle better than a miata
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>>14225381
Fuck you. Get your own advice. I will enjoy my Miata in the meantime.
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>>14225326
>Fiesta St
>anywhere near NA Miata price
Are you high
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>>14225391
Not the new one, idiot.
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>>14225386
nobody said the miata was a bad car so I don't understand your post
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>>14225396
So get the old one
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>>14225396
There never was a Fiesta St that isn't the one out now moron
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>>14225413
>>14225402
>>14225391
>>14225381
All those 16 year olds.
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>>14221229
CF anything is not worth it. Cut up your trunk lid like this dude: http://www.lightweightmiata.com/beast/lightness/

Also keep the hardtop but change the rear glass window with a diy acryl one. You can do this for literally under 100 bucks: http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/86-diy-how-writeups/17085-making-lexan-hardtop-window.html

For more power at a budget, follow this guide: http://www.solomiata.com/CheapHP.html about 115whp (about 135hp) with less than 1000 bucks out of the 1.6l engine. Also, adding a header and a stainless steel catback will save some more weight, compared to the iron header and stock muffler.
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>>14225418
>>14225466
What is wrong with you people
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>>14221206
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FWD conversion.
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Don't get rid of the body panels or stuff that makes the car unsafe or nearly undrivable .

This is the most I would do:
Hardtop w/soft top delete, lightweight trunk, get rid of spare tire, front lip (helps with aero), cut the rear bumper cover a little so that air flows out from under it better.

The actual bumper cores weigh a fuck ton but if you value safety at all, leave them. Doors are also heavy but again, fiberglass or carbon doors aren't going to protect you in a crash as well.

Anything after what I have listed is pretty much diminishing returns and very unsafe. It is at this point that you need to go turbo or LS3.

Check out miataturbo.net. They can be pretty crass to newfags so lurk the threads alot before you post. With their help you could make 270 HP for like, $3000. It would all be bolt on you just have to know what your doing. Also check out TheCarPassionChannel. He explains this all very well.

As to the spirit of what your doing here, I don't really approve. Beating shingos and gay retards in a straight line isn't what these cars are about.
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>>14221151
>1.6
>Not buying a 1.8 and removing the pigfat bits
GG op
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>>14221151
Instead of trying to make it lighter give it more power you twat
Doesn't matter if it weighs 500kg, 100hp is fucking nothing and you'll still get btfo by 2000kg 450hp cars in the power to weight department
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>>14226291
1.8 too rare
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>>14226314
But it doesn't have 100hp you moron
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>>14226329
90hp*
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>>14226332
But you're still wrong
Why would you walk into a miata thread, say something wrong, and then get all defensive
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>>14221344
>what is an Ion Redline
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>>14226343
A 1.6 miata has approximately 90hp. He's correct.
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>>14226457
Not here
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>>14226469
What do you mean "not here"? Do you lice in an alternate reality where it made more or less power? No? Then it does make 90hp where ever "here" is you fucking mongoloid.
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>>14226323
What the fuck?
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>>14226491
>B6ZE(RS)
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>>14226519
What?
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>>14226457
To the wheels?
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>>14226545
From 1994 it had 90 hp (67 kW) and 95 lb·ft (129 N·m) due to stronger emission control and was used in the Mazda MX-5 until 1997
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>>14226556
Nope.
>>14226514
It's true
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>>14226556
We never got a 90hp Miata.
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>>14226560
>facts
>nope
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>>14226556
please edumicate yourself
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>>14221151
thats not the USS Yorktown is it?
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http://skipbarber.com/

it sounds like you need this, especially since you're a streetracing retard

>i can already drive better than anybody i know

no...no you can't
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Im guessing you have a 1.6 engine. Get some r compound tires. Take everyone out of the car that doesnt make it stop, go, or turn.
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>>14221267
I dd a 93 with a Jackson racing supercharger. If I had it on a track I'd want a turbo.
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>>14221151
Have you tried being less of a pussy?
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