List of reasons: >they look terrible >their "safety features" make it harder for drivers to avoid crashes because they can't fucking see anything >they look terrible >I spend enough of my life staring at a screen in an office chair, I want the drive to stand out as part of my day where I can escape that environment >they are too heavy >they look terrible >they aren't enjoyable to drive because they don't have a communicative chassis/steering feel >they all look terrible >automakers want to "appeal to a wider demographic" and just make mediocre do-it-all cars instead of vehicles with any focus >they all look fucking terrible >touchscreens are slow to respond, don't work on muscle memory, require my attention, and are inaccurate
>>14214153 the p1 is not that heavy at 1550 kg. modern lithium ion batteries are not that heavy and that weight is only going to decrease with sulfur matrix ion batteries with 10 times the energy density
>>14214153 Ferrari/Porsche/McLaren/Honda just copy Ford's use of full carbon fiber parts and all of a sudden everything is light as fuck, smaller engines, smaller everything. Fuck that Tesla releases full carbon fiber electric sports car that is fuel efficient as fuck because the Model S doesn't satisfy Elon Musk's desire to go fast. Even Lamborghini made a car with fill carbon fiber body.
>>14214203 Lexus is always into making their cars hi tech. But Lambo went with something light when they usually go big and heavy. Carbon fiber technology is not yet there but when big companies decide to experiment on them it brings us a little bit closer to carbon fiber everyday cars.
>>14214285 i personally think it peaked at 1998-2002 Everything after that was overly complicated value added gizmo crap and i am not saying that because i hate technology I LOVE technology but when ESP and forced driving aids start to get in the way of me actually driving the car i fucking hate it >B-but you can turn it off luckily its just one button for my car but ive seen what you have to do to some cars and no its not just hitting 'track/race' mode its retarded
>>14214315 >carbon nanotubes become easy to mass produce >several dozen times stronger than steel for under a quarter the weight >unibodies can be made from frames a couple inches thick >cars are safer than ever before, but even SUV's are under 1000kg
The future of cars can be beautiful, so long as driver-driven cars don't become illegal. In which case we're doomed.
>>14214342 It's not, but all human societies are urbanizing very quickly. Eventually it will be the preferred choice for MOST people, and then the consumer automobile market will have to change. There will be nobody around to buy boring economy cards and crossovers.
Even when most people live in highly integrated cities, there will still be a strong segment of the population that would prefer a simpler, slower life in a rural setting.
I grew up in a suburb in the Californian Sierra foothills that was surrounded by rural areas. I'm not a farm boy by any means, but I would hate to live in huge city. In America, there's a lot of people like me, and a lot of people who feel MUCH more strongly on the issue of rural v urban than me. Those people are probably never going to go away.
Rural people are always going to need rugged vehicles they can drive themselves, so the market for Trucks, SUVs, Wagons, and other utility vehicles will always stick around. If car companies have this base market, I have no doubt they will make sporty enthusiast cars too. The cultural forces that attract young men to fast, powerful cars are very ingrained at this point. I don't see them changing until some other commodity comes to represent freedom and independence in the same way cars do for our culture.
>>14214496 >The cultural forces that attract young men to fast, powerful cars are very ingrained at this point. I don't see them changing until some other commodity comes to represent freedom and independence in the same way cars do for our culture. the pussification of America is changing it
>>14214496 That is something like how I see it too. Even in the city we will need utility vehicles for people making deliveries and transporting goods across a city. There will still be drive able roads in the city. And I do not believe robot cars will be a thing, 1 engine, 1 car, 1 person will give the same problems we have with regular cars today. And there is also the problem with who do you program the car to prioritize safety for. I don't think out ethics can make that decision.
I have lived in a huge city all my life and have plenty experience with public transport. But even in rush hour it is still faster to go by car. I like the city life though and driving here is fun too. Tight corners and curves everywhere. And The idea of a city will change since everything will be greener and park spaces will increase. Every self respecting city will try to be like Vancouver.
I used to travel a lot for work, so I rented cars a lot, and I just didn't like many. So many Nissans today look so boring from the outside, even if the inside is nice and shiny and sparkling and jam-packed with a ton of tech. Buttons everywhere, it's overwhelming. I once rented a 2015 Chevy Malibu. Sitting in the driver's sit was like sititng inside a cockpit or a spaceship. The dashboard was huge, and packed to the brim with huge screens, touch, big buttons, it was insanely distracting, yet pretty. However, I just... didn't like it. It was nice to be able to have Bluetooth and listen to music wirelessly or make a phone call by just saying a command, but still. Seemed unnecessary to me. Another car I drove was a 2015 Toyota Corolla S. Holy shit. Worst interior I have EVER sat in. The dashboard was so rectangled and just unappealing. Engine was powerful, but man...
>>14214527 >>14214593 Like, I know you're right, but it still baffles me. I'm not even a true /o/tist or a huge car buff or whatever (I spend more time on /tg/ and /g/ than here), but I can't imagine not being interested in cars to some degree. I want to drive them, I want to know how they work, I think they're cool. It's such an investment to have one I can't imagine just treating it like an appliance.
>Pedestrian impact standards raise hoods so the idiots don't hit their head on the engine when the hood deflects. >This raises the beltline so that it looks "right" >High beltlines = small windows >Bad visibility = more aids since you can't see
Cafe laws are making everything look and drive like shit too.
>Sloping roofs and tiny trunks for muh mpg. >Electric power steering partly for driver aids and partly for muh mpg >CVTs
>>14214818 >Heavy as fuck >Huge as fuck It's actually pretty silly comparing new model cars to their late 90's, early 00's versions.
My mom has driven her 1st gen Toyota Highlander faithfully since she got it new in 2004. It was the first car my parents bought new to get exactly what they wanted (highest trim, best colors, etc.) and she loves the shit out of that thing.
We went to a car show a year or two ago at the fairground, and took my Mom over to see the new Highlander and she couldn't believe how big it was. The Tacoma and 4-Runner seemed to be huge too.
>>14214918 >2015 mustang faster, handles better, does better lap time >22b slower and worse handling than an sti So what that fuck does it matter? Weight is the most arbitrary fucking argument on the planet. IDGAF if the car weighs 7000000lbs. If it's fast, handles well, is reliable, and stops well, WTF do I car?
>can't into modern cars >everything was better when cars were piles of garbage from the factory
>>14215061 >and laws keep that from happening Also, who cares, they are faster. I know everyone fantasizes about a stripped out factory car, but /o/ is full of poor people. Adults don't want that shit. Buy a gt3RS.
>>14213855 All of them look the same. Too much electronics. Hard or even impossible to fix by yourself. I feel like there might be too many driving assists, making driving feelless and numb - but I haven't driven anything newer than 2002 so it's just an assumption.
>can't afford them Yeah but I can go for a test drive to see and compare to my 90s shitbox so it's not entirely a valid argument.
>>14213871 >They are too safe When did that become a downside? Have you seen some of what happens to those who were unfortunate enough to no die of their massive injuries in such crashes in your fantasy shitbox?
>>14218147 >probably won't need another car for 15 years.
If you drive 3km a day, yes.
If you actually use it year-round, and for commuting, you'll burn it out in about 5-7 years. After that it'll be a moneypit that requires a shitload of time and effort to keep running, like all older BMWs.
BMWs are like dogs. They age 7 years for every one human year.
>>14214002 I drive my wife's 2015 every few days. It not only looks like a melting bar of soap it drives like one too. All the electronic assists and "safety" features such as the fuck huge columns everywhere make visibility a pain in the ass on top of making the drive completely unenjoyable.
>>14218227 my 1999 E46 328ci with 240k miles was brilliant. The engine was mint, some minor rust spots and worn out rear bushings, a worn driver seat. All was cheap and easy to fix. Beat the shit out of the car
>>14218260 anyway 10-20+ year old BMWs are some of the most common cars around here and they are mostly quite reliable. There are a few exceptions like the shit electronics in E65s 7 series and some issues with the first E60 5 series but still nothing incredibly expensive.
>>14214124 This. They realized service division could make more by adding in more bits you can't fix yourself. On top of the absolutely horrendous design brought on by ridiculous safety standards that make accidents even more likely because of lack of vision.
>>14214301 This too. The only USEFUL tech that's been becoming mainstream is push button start and backup cams. Both are really just luxurious convenience though and could easily be done without ever again.
I think someone else said it best earlier. Companies are being totally taken over by accountants who want every car to do every thing. The only noticeable difference between most cars now is the size. I really wish the boardrooms would realize that customers might actually start liking cars again if they made a few more specialized cars instead of fleets of rental cars.
>>14213855 obese looking, tall and heavy with lots of new location tracking technology and digital/touch screen interfaces to break
>>14214140 >try to have fun and skid your ultra light rwd car >traction control and stability control kick in and stop the skid before it ever happens >handbrake replaced by an electrical ebrake nah >if in Australia cars phones the cops itself to report a hoon
>>14214826 I actually work with a guy who told me he doesn't understand why I care about cars at all. He went out of his way to say how he can't wait until it's only self driving cars so he can play games while he goes wherever he's going. I know a lot of other guys like him too where they aren't just not interested, they actually don't like cars at all.
And if you are breaking the law, you deserve to be caught and punished. The government knows what is best for you, and it will see to it through regulations that mandate vehicle safety and tracking features.
Because they all look exactly the fucking same. Iconic names like Impala, Mustang, and Corolla are being slapped on shitty round, angry eyed pieces of plastic. The few unique cars with good styling are usually niche markets and are dying slow deaths because they're not a grey blob.
RIP in pieces Snek. Maybe the Challenger will get to stick around a little longer.
>>14218367 Is he the kind of person who never gets any exercise or goes outside and just migrates from indoor environment to indoor environment throughout the day, attention locked on one electronic device or another?
>>14217931 >5 days from probation ending >Everyone is on my shift is getting a 1/3rd reg hours >10minutes until shift end >Pulled into office >Served with letter of termination >They didnt even tell my shift supervisor, they next shifts supervisor did it >"Were sorry Anon, but its our policy to not disclose why we let you go" Kinda liked my shitty job, was planning on leaving in two months, but a little bummed cause my supervisor was fucking cool.
>company turns around and hires someone new to replace you >keeps them a few days short of probationary period expiration >fire them >repeat >never have to pay pension or benefits to anyone >just treat human beings like disposable trash >use them until you're done >then toss them aside for a fresh one
Gotta get them government jobs, live high off the public hog. That's my goal.
>>14218427 >Sorry loyal Ford customer, your 5.0 Mustang reports traction control was disabled and the rear tires spun loose for 12 seconds which violates your dealers terms of service and nulls your powertrain warranty
>>14214315 >>car manufactures start making enthusiast cars only
Selfdriving shits will be the norm and if you dare to want to drive manually you will have to PAY FUCKLOADS in insurance to the point where you just can't afford it anymore to drive manually (which will be intended)
>>14213855 /o/ can't afford the majority of new cars, and the only ones they ever actually get experience with are not fun enthusiast cars but rather plain commuter vehicles, which affects their perception of all newer vehicles.
Plus, /o/ has insane rose-tinted views of their aging econoboxes, and since they don't have much experience with nice cars they believe their cars are the best, without even giving some of the newer sport hatches and all a try.
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