Why does /o/ hate newer cars?

>>14213855
cause they're gay

>>14213855
sour grapes

Because they can't afford them

>>14213855
athetically they are ugly and boring
They are too heavy
They are too safe and boring to drive
expensive
>>14213865
>>14213867
>Yum i like to eat shit dont you do to?

Because they don't come with solid front axles anymore (cherokee, F-150, silverado, tacoma...)

>>14213867
This X1000. Hence the reason everything on the sticky is 10-15+ years old

>>14213876
Go buy a izuzu mate
>>14213880
fugly

>>14213892
only the engine is unreliable i dont mind the rest of the car

>>14213898
Not every C7 is the Z06

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>>14213898
That's the stingray Corvette

The zo6 is the one that is unreliable desu

>>14213901
ausfag here i only ever have seen ls1's and l98 shiet explain

>>14213855
planned obsolescence

shits gotten fucked imo

>>14213920
Shits been like that. It's just half this fucking board looks at 90s shitboxes and initial D cars through rose tinted glasses.

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>>14213906
There are 2 Corvette models

The z06 and the stingray

The z06 overheats and starts at $78,000

The stingray is your average boomer car and starts at 54,000

>>14213931

>I have buyer's remorse on my 2014 Aston Fusion, let me project this

>>14213855
Because new cars cost money and 99% of /o/ are NEET.

>>14213898
>>14213936
Is the engine really flawed or is it just a meme?

>>14213959
Even if I did have an fusion it would be better than driving the recommended 15 year old Mercedes Benz and calling it "luxury".

>>14213995
the z06 gets hot sometimes, not super super hot but its a meme

>>14213871
i doubt you have driven a car made in the last 5 years

>>14213855

4chan hates everything new and/or "mainstream"

or "decadent"
this place is like the english speaking taliban

>>14213864

it looks like its questioning its existence

>>14214055
>VAG

>>14214046
don't we all?

>>14213855
Most of them look ugly. New car's front always look big and square shaped. Just poor aesthetics.

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/o/ thinks this looks good

List of reasons:
>they look terrible
>their "safety features" make it harder for drivers to avoid crashes because they can't fucking see anything
>they look terrible
>I spend enough of my life staring at a screen in an office chair, I want the drive to stand out as part of my day where I can escape that environment
>they are too heavy
>they look terrible
>they aren't enjoyable to drive because they don't have a communicative chassis/steering feel
>they all look terrible
>automakers want to "appeal to a wider demographic" and just make mediocre do-it-all cars instead of vehicles with any focus
>they all look fucking terrible
>touchscreens are slow to respond, don't work on muscle memory, require my attention, and are inaccurate

They just fucking suck.

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>>14214002
I agree with that guy and I've driven a lot of cars made in the last 5 years, including some of the nicest/most expensive on the market. Light and simple just isn't possible anymore.

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>>14214112
Oh.

And you they're designed so it's harder for you to work on them, so they need to be taken to a dealer.

They also look pretty terrible.

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Will the lightweight revolution in super cars trickle down to sports coupes and unleash a golden era of fun, beautiful, petite cars?

>>14214140
>lightweight revolution

Only Koenigsegg and Ferd are going for this. Ferrari/Porsche/McLaren/Honda went for a heavy hybrid setup. Nissan's GT-R is quite heavy too.

>>14213855
because poor teenagers

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>>14214153
and then there's snek, which went full retard aero
god bless

>>14214161
fca shill pls go

>>14214153
the p1 is not that heavy at 1550 kg. modern lithium ion batteries are not that heavy and that weight is only going to decrease with sulfur matrix ion batteries with 10 times the energy density

>>14214153
Ferrari/Porsche/McLaren/Honda just copy Ford's use of full carbon fiber parts and all of a sudden everything is light as fuck, smaller engines, smaller everything. Fuck that Tesla releases full carbon fiber electric sports car that is fuel efficient as fuck because the Model S doesn't satisfy Elon Musk's desire to go fast. Even Lamborghini made a car with fill carbon fiber body.

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>>14214182
Wasn't this a carbon fiber body back in 2010?

>>14214000
But i read about engine failiures and electrical fuckups all the time as well as overheating surely its not a meme

>>14214203
Lexus is always into making their cars hi tech. But Lambo went with something light when they usually go big and heavy. Carbon fiber technology is not yet there but when big companies decide to experiment on them it brings us a little bit closer to carbon fiber everyday cars.

I think cars generally peaked in terms of useful technologies in the 90s/early 00s, all the good stuff you need was there somewhere. Sure, further refinements have been made but so much more useless crap has been added.

>>14214285
i personally think it peaked at 1998-2002
Everything after that was overly complicated value added gizmo crap and i am not saying that because i hate technology I LOVE technology but when ESP and forced driving aids start to get in the way of me actually driving the car i fucking hate it
>B-but you can turn it off
luckily its just one button for my car but ive seen what you have to do to some cars and no its not just hitting 'track/race' mode its retarded

>Everyone starts using public transport
>only people buying are are enthusiasts
>car manufactures start making enthusiast cars only

future is bright

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>>14214315
This is the good end, the one I want.

>>14214315
>Thinking public transportation is truly an option for all
confirmed for never gone outside the city before

>>14214342
>implying "public transport" won't mean a network of self-driving cars that can get to any destination in the near future
All normies away from the wheel.

>>14214342
This is basically the "normies finally get out" path that the automotive future could take.

>>14214315
if only

at least in the cities anyway
>>14214342
Fuck public transportation in NSW ANYWHERE but especially rural and smaller cities its non existant

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>>14214315
>carbon nanotubes become easy to mass produce
>several dozen times stronger than steel for under a quarter the weight
>unibodies can be made from frames a couple inches thick
>cars are safer than ever before, but even SUV's are under 1000kg

The future of cars can be beautiful, so long as driver-driven cars don't become illegal. In which case we're doomed.

>>14214364
I live in a relatively large city and couldn't survive on public transportation, but I'm in the outskirts of town. There's just no way.

>>14214375
Uber, bitch.

>>14214342
It's not, but all human societies are urbanizing very quickly. Eventually it will be the preferred choice for MOST people, and then the consumer automobile market will have to change. There will be nobody around to buy boring economy cards and crossovers.

>>14214375
which city?
>>14214384
Uber will never be in smaller cites and towns fuck them they dont give a shit about me

>>14214387
please please PLEASE let this happen, and not the "manual driving is now illegal" ap/o/calypse

>>14214395
Charlotte, NC. Not a small city by any means

>>14213892
the c7 looks nice imo

>>14213903
I like the nd also

>>14213916
this shit tho

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>>14214404
Here's the way I see it.

Even when most people live in highly integrated cities, there will still be a strong segment of the population that would prefer a simpler, slower life in a rural setting.

I grew up in a suburb in the Californian Sierra foothills that was surrounded by rural areas. I'm not a farm boy by any means, but I would hate to live in huge city. In America, there's a lot of people like me, and a lot of people who feel MUCH more strongly on the issue of rural v urban than me. Those people are probably never going to go away.

Rural people are always going to need rugged vehicles they can drive themselves, so the market for Trucks, SUVs, Wagons, and other utility vehicles will always stick around. If car companies have this base market, I have no doubt they will make sporty enthusiast cars too. The cultural forces that attract young men to fast, powerful cars are very ingrained at this point. I don't see them changing until some other commodity comes to represent freedom and independence in the same way cars do for our culture.

>>14214496
>The cultural forces that attract young men to fast, powerful cars are very ingrained at this point. I don't see them changing until some other commodity comes to represent freedom and independence in the same way cars do for our culture.
the pussification of America is changing it

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>>14213901
imblying

>>14214527
And Europe is even worse.

>>14214496
That is something like how I see it too. Even in the city we will need utility vehicles for people making deliveries and transporting goods across a city. There will still be drive able roads in the city. And I do not believe robot cars will be a thing, 1 engine, 1 car, 1 person will give the same problems we have with regular cars today. And there is also the problem with who do you program the car to prioritize safety for. I don't think out ethics can make that decision.

I have lived in a huge city all my life and have plenty experience with public transport. But even in rush hour it is still faster to go by car. I like the city life though and driving here is fun too. Tight corners and curves everywhere. And The idea of a city will change since everything will be greener and park spaces will increase. Every self respecting city will try to be like Vancouver.

>>14213880
That's a cool looking car I'm not gonna lie

>>14214621
The back is too swoopy, but otherwise it looks a bit better than the current gen WRX, which isn't bad looking itself.

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>can't afford them
>boring or lame look

I used to travel a lot for work, so I rented cars a lot, and I just didn't like many. So many Nissans today look so boring from the outside, even if the inside is nice and shiny and sparkling and jam-packed with a ton of tech. Buttons everywhere, it's overwhelming. I once rented a 2015 Chevy Malibu. Sitting in the driver's sit was like sititng inside a cockpit or a spaceship. The dashboard was huge, and packed to the brim with huge screens, touch, big buttons, it was insanely distracting, yet pretty. However, I just... didn't like it. It was nice to be able to have Bluetooth and listen to music wirelessly or make a phone call by just saying a command, but still. Seemed unnecessary to me. Another car I drove was a 2015 Toyota Corolla S. Holy shit. Worst interior I have EVER sat in. The dashboard was so rectangled and just unappealing. Engine was powerful, but man...

>>14213865
You don't really need to read past this point desu.

>>14213855
Touchscreens
Gunslit windows
Heavy as fuck
Huge as fuck
Prevalence of auto-only models
Everything is becoming a crossover

>>14214527
>>14214593
Like, I know you're right, but it still baffles me. I'm not even a true /o/tist or a huge car buff or whatever (I spend more time on /tg/ and /g/ than here), but I can't imagine not being interested in cars to some degree. I want to drive them, I want to know how they work, I think they're cool. It's such an investment to have one I can't imagine just treating it like an appliance.

>>14213855
Lets see. It's pretty simple.

They all look bad.

>Pedestrian impact standards raise hoods so the idiots don't hit their head on the engine when the hood deflects.
>This raises the beltline so that it looks "right"
>High beltlines = small windows
>Bad visibility = more aids since you can't see

Cafe laws are making everything look and drive like shit too.

>Sloping roofs and tiny trunks for muh mpg.
>Electric power steering partly for driver aids and partly for muh mpg
>CVTs

>>14214818
>heavy
lol memes never die

>>14213876
buy something older without shitty electronic aids that render a SFA pointless

I like my unsafe 30 year old jeeps
new cars are too safe

>>14214849
1980s mustang GT: ~3200 or 3100 lbs
2015 mustang GT: ~3800 lbs

22b: <3000 Lbs
2015 WRX STI: 3600 lbs

>>14214818
>Heavy as fuck
>Huge as fuck
It's actually pretty silly comparing new model cars to their late 90's, early 00's versions.

My mom has driven her 1st gen Toyota Highlander faithfully since she got it new in 2004. It was the first car my parents bought new to get exactly what they wanted (highest trim, best colors, etc.) and she loves the shit out of that thing.

We went to a car show a year or two ago at the fairground, and took my Mom over to see the new Highlander and she couldn't believe how big it was. The Tacoma and 4-Runner seemed to be huge too.

>>14214918
>2015 mustang faster, handles better, does better lap time
>22b slower and worse handling than an sti
So what that fuck does it matter? Weight is the most arbitrary fucking argument on the planet. IDGAF if the car weighs 7000000lbs. If it's fast, handles well, is reliable, and stops well, WTF do I car?

>can't into modern cars
>everything was better when cars were piles of garbage from the factory

>>14215010
The idea is that the new cars would be even faster and handle even better if they weren't big and heavy.

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they depreciate like hell
they're slow
they're ugly
they're made of pure plastic

give me a counterexample you buttsluts

>>14215010
except it doesn't handle well at all you idiot. do you not know how easy they lose grip in corners?

>>14215061
>and laws keep that from happening
Also, who cares, they are faster. I know everyone fantasizes about a stripped out factory car, but /o/ is full of poor people. Adults don't want that shit. Buy a gt3RS.

>faster is faster
>better is better

>>14215196
being this utterly retarded

/o/ doesn't like things they can't afford

>>14213855
Because the majority of /o/ can't afford them and the majority of new cars are just uninteresting

I dont hate newer cars, i just hate the fact that i can only afford a newer car under 30k and cant decide what to get.

>>14213914
f-150000000000

>>14213855
All of them look the same.
Too much electronics.
Hard or even impossible to fix by yourself.
I feel like there might be too many driving assists, making driving feelless and numb - but I haven't driven anything newer than 2002 so it's just an assumption.

>can't afford them
Yeah but I can go for a test drive to see and compare to my 90s shitbox so it's not entirely a valid argument.

>>14213871
>They are too safe
When did that become a downside? Have you seen some of what happens to those who were unfortunate enough to no die of their massive injuries in such crashes in your fantasy shitbox?

>>14213855
They all look terrible with a few exceptions. They seem overpriced for what they are, not even expensive, just overpriced. The screens everywhere is obnoxious design.

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>>14213962
>Be me
>Fired literally two hours ago
b-but.. I wasnt a neet yesterday..

>>14217307
It's a downside because it's manifesting on the outside of the car. I'd love a modern safe car if it looked exactly like an AW11 mr2

because they're all the same bloated uninspired underpowered turds and the few pieces of golden corn in the shitheap are still too expensive to pick up to fuck around with

>>14213855
because most people here cannot afford buying one and need a car they can fix everything on themselves

>>14214342
When population peaks and governments try to go green, they will begin to tear down sprawled out suburbs and move most people back into cities.

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>>14217344

Shit son, what happened?

Fired? Or laid off?

>>14215209
Light cars stop better and corner better and accelerate better. There is literally no downside to lightness within reason and

>>14215209
The point is we want lightweight without having a car with no interior.

>>14217926

This won't be happening for another 100 years, at the earliest. The level of planning involved in such a project would take decades, let alone the construction and moving of people.

Could be a less arduous feat if most of us die from some disease or wars between now and then. Which we probably will.

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>>14213914
Someone post the gif

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>>14218089
got you covered

>>14218102
Every time it makes me laugh harder.

Because most new cars that are affordable by a regular person are shit.

If I could afford a brand new M3, I'd buy one in a fucking second and probably won't need another car for 15 years.

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>>14213916
Not gonna lie, this car looks so much better in real life. Probably the only crossover done right.

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>>14218147
>probably won't need another car for 15 years.

If you drive 3km a day, yes.

If you actually use it year-round, and for commuting, you'll burn it out in about 5-7 years. After that it'll be a moneypit that requires a shitload of time and effort to keep running, like all older BMWs.

BMWs are like dogs. They age 7 years for every one human year.

>>14214115
Noble M600

>>14214267
>Carbon fiber everyday cars
Never going to happen until we learn how to mass 3D print it.

Carbon fiber has been around for ages. It's expensive because it's a massive pain in the ass that has to be handmade, not because it's a new technology.

>>14214002
I drive my wife's 2015 every few days. It not only looks like a melting bar of soap it drives like one too. All the electronic assists and "safety" features such as the fuck huge columns everywhere make visibility a pain in the ass on top of making the drive completely unenjoyable.

>>14218223
>high beltline
>tiny windows
>predator face
It's shit. The only cool thing is the turbo engine.

>>14218227
my 1999 E46 328ci with 240k miles was brilliant. The engine was mint, some minor rust spots and worn out rear bushings, a worn driver seat. All was cheap and easy to fix. Beat the shit out of the car

>>14218260
anyway 10-20+ year old BMWs are some of the most common cars around here and they are mostly quite reliable. There are a few exceptions like the shit electronics in E65s 7 series and some issues with the first E60 5 series but still nothing incredibly expensive.

>>14214124
This. They realized service division could make more by adding in more bits you can't fix yourself. On top of the absolutely horrendous design brought on by ridiculous safety standards that make accidents even more likely because of lack of vision.

>>14218277

>nothing incredibly expensive
>BMW

Comparatively, they are. They always are. Even if it's a Lexus, BMW still charges more. It's like a fucking game they play.

>>14218300
Comparatively to Audi, Mercedes, Porsche they are not.
It is pretty dumb to take a 10+ year old car to a dealer anyway.

>>14214301
This too. The only USEFUL tech that's been becoming mainstream is push button start and backup cams. Both are really just luxurious convenience though and could easily be done without ever again.

I think someone else said it best earlier. Companies are being totally taken over by accountants who want every car to do every thing. The only noticeable difference between most cars now is the size. I really wish the boardrooms would realize that customers might actually start liking cars again if they made a few more specialized cars instead of fleets of rental cars.

>>14213855
obese looking, tall and heavy with lots of new location tracking technology and digital/touch screen interfaces to break

>>14214140
>try to have fun and skid your ultra light rwd car
>traction control and stability control kick in and stop the skid before it ever happens
>handbrake replaced by an electrical ebrake
nah
>if in Australia cars phones the cops itself to report a hoon

>>14218314

And compared to Ferrari or Bugatti those makers pale in comparison.

But most people don't own those cars.

Most people own Japanese, domestic, or European makes of the non-exotic variant.

Mercedes and Audi parts are on par with BMW parts for cost, but Porsche are undoubtedly more expensive. A clutch on a 911 will run you 10 grand.

>>14218328
>new location tracking technology

Got something to hide anon? Why should you care if private companies are able to track your whereabouts 24/7? It's for your own good, they can show you the closest Hardee's or Toys 'R' Us.

Submit, anon. Submit.

>>14214826
I actually work with a guy who told me he doesn't understand why I care about cars at all. He went out of his way to say how he can't wait until it's only self driving cars so he can play games while he goes wherever he's going. I know a lot of other guys like him too where they aren't just not interested, they actually don't like cars at all.

>>14213855

i can't see out of them lol

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>>14218355

>>14217307
It's not that they're safe as a bad thing. It's that it's basically come to the point where it's like making full grown adults wear lifevest and water wings in the kiddie pool.

>>14214115
Doing 20mph in the parking lot of the shop you work at doesn't count as driving them, m8

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>>14218374

That's right anon.

And if you are breaking the law, you deserve to be caught and punished. The government knows what is best for you, and it will see to it through regulations that mandate vehicle safety and tracking features.

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>>14213855
>>14213871
>>14216850

Because theyre hipsters. Nostalgia, mental disorder, can't move on, jealous and can't afford newer car, don't know how to work a cool touch screen, theyre boring and like their 8-trak mono speaker car

>>14218346
Audis and Mercs are more expensive to upkeep than BMWs in Europe. Cheaper than BMW would be VWs, Skodas, Seats

>>14213855

Because they all look exactly the fucking same. Iconic names like Impala, Mustang, and Corolla are being slapped on shitty round, angry eyed pieces of plastic. The few unique cars with good styling are usually niche markets and are dying slow deaths because they're not a grey blob.

RIP in pieces Snek. Maybe the Challenger will get to stick around a little longer.

>>14218456
>in Europe.

No one is talking about Europe. Whenever there is a discussion on /o/, you should just assume it relates to North American markets. They are the only ones that matter.

BMWs are just as expensive to own and operate here in North America.

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>>14218448
Posting same car, different year.
>Wow ! look at all those options. So much fun. Yep, I'm glad my car doesn't have air conditioned seats!

>>14218456
Irrelevant. Europe doesn't matter.

>>14218367
Is he the kind of person who never gets any exercise or goes outside and just migrates from indoor environment to indoor environment throughout the day, attention locked on one electronic device or another?

>>14218538
pmuch

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>>14217931
>5 days from probation ending
>Everyone is on my shift is getting a 1/3rd reg hours
>10minutes until shift end
>Pulled into office
>Served with letter of termination
>They didnt even tell my shift supervisor, they next shifts supervisor did it
>"Were sorry Anon, but its our policy to not disclose why we let you go"
Kinda liked my shitty job, was planning on leaving in two months, but a little bummed cause my supervisor was fucking cool.

>>14218277

>E65
>shit
>buying post-E46 BMW

found the problem

>>14218813
Sucks, man.

>>14218813

but fuck being broke and NEET

fuck it all

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>>14219002
Yeah man, but I feel less shit now.
>>14219050
You can make it out of the hole, before this I was rocking 4years of neet-i-tude. Luck Anon.

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>>14218813

>company turns around and hires someone new to replace you
>keeps them a few days short of probationary period expiration
>fire them
>repeat
>never have to pay pension or benefits to anyone
>just treat human beings like disposable trash
>use them until you're done
>then toss them aside for a fresh one

Gotta get them government jobs, live high off the public hog. That's my goal.

Sorry about your luck bro.

>>14218427
>Sorry loyal Ford customer, your 5.0 Mustang reports traction control was disabled and the rear tires spun loose for 12 seconds which violates your dealers terms of service and nulls your powertrain warranty

>thanks for Choosing Ford and drive safe :)

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>>14214315
>>car manufactures start making enthusiast cars only

Naive.

Selfdriving shits will be the norm and if you dare to want to drive manually you will have to PAY FUCKLOADS in insurance to the point where you just can't afford it anymore to drive manually (which will be intended)

>>14214111
>implying it fucking doesn't
It's an exonobox and it knows that, so it looks humble. Also has nice big windows, thin pillars, and a low beltline.

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>>14218448
(You)

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>>14219537

>nice big windows

The better to cut you with and invite foreign objects inside.

>thin pillars

The better to crumple when it rolls, crushing you to death in an otherwise survivable accident.

>low beltline

The better to ensure you receive maximum head trauma from side-impact collisions.

>>14219493
Thanks Anon, just gotta keep trying right?
>Tfw id love to be a garbage man

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>>14213855

>>14219582
Nanny-state government worker pls go

>>14219582
institute for highway safety please go

>>14213855
/o/ can't afford the majority of new cars, and the only ones they ever actually get experience with are not fun enthusiast cars but rather plain commuter vehicles, which affects their perception of all newer vehicles.

Plus, /o/ has insane rose-tinted views of their aging econoboxes, and since they don't have much experience with nice cars they believe their cars are the best, without even giving some of the newer sport hatches and all a try.

>>14214178
My wagon is 200kg off being a supercar.

I probably won't hate them as much in 15 years when I don't need to pay out my ass for them.

Until then I'd rather pay less for something that is as fun, even if it doesn't come with a bunch of comfort features.

Also new cars look shitty in general desu senpai

>>14218448
you could at least mention a good feature of new cars, but you went with fucking touch screens

>>14219582
> i'd rather drive straight into an accident and survive than see it coming in the first place and avoid it