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What ever happened to the utility coupe?
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What ever happened to the utility coupe?

I know the Aussie's still make them, but the ranchero and the el camino are both part of American automotive legend. Why did they just stop existing?
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>>14154575
They tried to make them look like pic related
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>>14154579
What a waste of a perfectly good LS2.
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Blame CAFE. Literally encourages giant-ass vehicles and not utes or minitrucks.
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>>14154575
Probably because they're just meme punchlines now in the public mind.
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1 part chicken tax, 2 parts fuel crisis, 3 parts strong mexican interest ruining anglo-saxon appreciation for small trucks.
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For someone completely ignorant on ford's international offerings, how does a modern Taurus differ from the Australian's Falcon?

And if the answer isn't "completely", why can't we get pick related in the U.S.?
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>>14154621
because it's ugly as fuck
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>>14154621
This is comically ugly. I'm sure I've seen uglier things in my life, but I can't think of them right now.
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>>14154621

To answer your second question:

>>14154630
>>14154629

Because it's not very pretty.
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>>14154579
> They tried to make them look like pic related
Fag
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Utes need to look like this, with more define lines instead of svelte curves which make them look horrendous.
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>>14154651
True that.
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>>14154651
Seriously. It's not hard to make something palatable. If the Australians would make and buy something like this >>14154621, the whole country needs to get rangebanned.

>>14154653
I wonder how much this cost the guy.
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>>14154605
Dude don't be retarded, us mexicans love small trucks
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>>14154688
He was saying that you love them so much that white people no longer want to buy them for fear of being associated with you.
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>you'll never drive a Falcon ute with the 4.0 Barra
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>>14154716
They're probably dirt cheap in straya, get one imported when you're boomer age
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>>14154653
>some guys in a body shop with a pile of old camino parts in the 80's made THAT, but Mercedes thinks thinks THIS is a valuable addition to their brand.

It's quite possibly the ugliest vehicle to roll out of Europe ever.
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>>14154724
They actually made it the absolute madmen.
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>>14154724

I dunno if it was rebranded as a ram itd be pretty good
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>>14154621
It just looks similar, the Falcon is RWD.
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>>14154621
>how does a modern Taurus differ from the Australian's Falcon?

Taurus is smaller
Taurus is bitch mode fwd not rwd
Taurus is V6 and not glorious Barra
Tarus is pigfat in all the wrong ways
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>>14154693
so basically white people are insecure little fags
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>>14155154
basically, but whities are the only ones with the money to buy a new truck. Without white people to buy the vehicles, and without white people selling off their older trucks for mexicans to buy, the small truck was killed.
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>>14154575
a modern version would suck anyway
it would be extra fat with high sides and 0 ground clearance
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>>14154575
Low fuel prices and a market dominated by pick up trucks, how is this hard to understand?
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is the El Camino considered a muscle car in the conventional sense? It's pretty much a chevelle isn't it?
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>>14155142
Dude, the Taurus is huge. It's bigger than the Falcon. By quite a bit actually, 2 inches more hip room, 1.5 inches more head room, 1.5 inches more front leg room, 2 inches more rear legroom, it's almost 3 inches wider and 5 inches longer.
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>>14155154
That's what brown folks tell themselves because they don't understand that small trucks are not a good financial choice compared to the volume full sized trucks.

You have to literally want a less capable vehicle to choose a small truck, you aren't going to save any money over the life of the purchase by going small.
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Pontiac was going to bring out a ute to the US market in 2008 before GM axed the division .It was based on a Holden design.
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>>14154651
So small truck
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>>14154724

I dig the fuck out of that.
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>>14154575
Americans are content with having fuckhuge mall crawlers. utes aren't big enough to compensate for redneck nanopenis.
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>>14157607
butthurt europoor detected
keep driving your kids toys
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>>14157394
Ehhh more or less, some people will argue that they aren't, but the 'utes' were always based on unquestionable muscle cars, like the Torino and the Chevelle. So in my opinion at the very least they are muscle cars by proxy.
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>>14157638

but what about the Dodge Rampage? It was based off the Dodge Omni. No muscle there, but they claimed to be the first ever sports truck according to some fliers they had back in the day.
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Because Washington legislature shows considerable favor towards pickup trucks in terms of fuel economy and crash safety mandates which are far stricter for passenger car classed vehicles in order to ensure sufficient revenue for Detroit in the one category of vehicles where imports don't dominate domestic brands already. When you build a car platform utility vehicle it'll have to conform to car emissions tests and crash tests, unlike pickup trucks whose test are far easier to pass.
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>>14157666
Too be fair muscle cars had basically died by then, but you got me. I'll rephrase my previous statement to If an Ute is based off a muscle car it's a muscle car by proxy.
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>>14157666
>>14157740
Still wouldn't mind having a rampage though, I've driven a Horizon before (Plymouth's Omni) and it was pretty bad but still somewhat charming.

Also remember the Dodge GLHS? The car can't be that gutless if shelby picked it up. Still no idea why they did it though.
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We need more racing pickups
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>>14157394
Both the Chevelle, and the Elco could be had with engines ranging from a pitiful inline six, to a firebreathing bigblock. Having a powerful engine in a cheapass two door coupe is what defines a muscle car. Not a two door coupe? Not a muscle car. Muscle wagon, muscle sedan, or muscle ute, but not muscle car.
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>>14157747
>The car can't be that gutless if shelby picked it up
All he cared about was money and Chrysler threw enough of it at him. That's all.
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>>14157764
>tfw when no challenger-derived rampage revival
>tfw when no interceptor-derived ranchero reboot
>tfw when Pontiac went out of business so we won't get any rebranded Holdens.

Why even live.
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>>14157747
>>14157864
The GLHS was faster than a GT350.
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>>14155154
Look at how Trump is polling and answer that question yourself
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>>14157872
>we won't get any rebranded Holdens.
If you're in the US, you can go and buy a Chevy SS, which is a rebranded Holden. hell, you can get it with Holden floor mats. Just graft a ute bed onto the SS.
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>>14157875
So? If Ford had thrown more money at him than Chrysler (like they later did) there would have been a Ford based Shelby during the time of the GLHS and the GLHS would have been named something else. The man was quite mercurial. I just wish he hadn't been quite so blatant about it. Especially in his later years.
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They're ugly as fuck.
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>>14154621

do you really think the US needs additional Aston Fords running around

>LOOK AT ME I'M ANGRY AND HAVE AN ASTON MOUTH
>LOOK ASTON GRILLE
>ASTON GRILLE!!!!!!!!
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>>14157872

>Challenger Ute

I could dig it.
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>>14157934
That doesn't look bad at all desu
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>>14157934
Surprisingly passable.
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>>14157934
Needs vertical dual lamps and a taller grill.
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>>14157939
>>14157967

quick, somebody slip some amphetamines into Sergio's morning latte. he might actually do it, the absolute madman
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>>14157926
Isn't that kind of the point? You don't buy one because it's pretty, you buy one because you want usable cargo room but you don't want an xboxhueg truck.
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>>14158035
I honestly prefer that over the actual challenger. Call me a fag but it looks a lot less like an obese 69 challenger then the real one.
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>>14154575
My guess would be that like wagons, they didn't sell in numbers great enough to justify their existence. Sucks because I liked them.
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>>14158215
>obese 69 challenger
YES! I know I wasn't the only one to see this. I like the challenger but I'm forced to accept that its too swollen.
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>>14157934
I think the proportions on this are quite near perfect, maybe taller windows and a longer bed would finish it off. The grill isn't too big or tall, the wheels aren't largely out of proportion, and the cab isn't too long either
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>>14154653
This was custom built.
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>>14154621
That's disgusting
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>>14157909
http://www.lefthandutes.com/
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>>14158675
You're not alone anon, that's my primary reason for looking the charger more. The challenger looks like a waterlogged 69 challenger.

I wish they wouldn't be so heavy handed with the styling of the challenger either, let it be it's own car, not an overweight remake. Maybe make it something light, but still powered by a hemi V8
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>>14159101
>http://www.lefthandutes.com/

to be completely honest, I like my small trucks to look more like a truck, and less like a modified car.
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>>14154575
It's ugly but if you want the good Ute get a Baja Turbo. Hands down the best car Ive ever owned. It can make it though technical four wheeling and its almost as fast as a wrx all for under 10k.
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>>14154605
While I'm not into mini trucks I know a shit ton of other Mexicans that are
I'm more into single cab old trucks
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>>14157394
They can be
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>>14154651
>utes need to be trucks, and not utes
Well said, captain redundant.
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>>14160760
Ugh, I hate this, and all of the other "SUT's" that came out in 'Merrika. Too big, too heavy, too expensive, not durable enough. Worst of all worlds.

I'd fucking kill for a subcompact truck/ute that could offroad, haul 1000 lbs of payload, tow itself, and get an honest 30 mpg. Am I asking for too much?
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>>14154575
>I know the Aussie's still make them,
Nope manufacturing of the Falcon is ending this year and Holden Next year

RIP
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Even if there was "enough" demand for utes (or minitrucks for that matter) in the United States, the big 3 won't dare re-introduce them. By their logic, every sale of a ute would be a lost sale of a more profitable full-sized pickup.

The flip-side to this is that the foreign manufacturers have had a tough time selling trucks in the US, so we may see Japanese/Korean/German brands attempt to use that niche to crack into the American pickup market.

Unfortunately, with the way cars are designed these days and the perceived "needs" of American car buyers, we'll probably see more four-door abominations like the Baja, or pickup crossovers.

Pic related, Hyundai Santa Cruz concept, derived from the Tucson.
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>>14162684
>Subaru
>too heavy
>too fragile

u avin' a giggle m8?
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>>14157934
I don't know how well it'll sell, but I don't think it's too bad.
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>>14154589
>Blame CAFE
Not accurate.

The El Camino hung on through the 80's pretty much only as a CAFE dodging scheme, a way to build what was basically a car and get it put in the truck category, with it's looser fuel economy, crash safety, and emissions standards.

Even with more strict modern CAFE rules, manufacturers still get an MPG break for putting a cargo bed on a vehicle and calling it a truck.

They're not made any more because the sales simply weren't there. El Camino sales peaked in 1973, weren't terribly impressive then, and declined to the point where they barely sold 15,000 of them in the final year. That's an even smaller market niche than the FRS/BRZ.
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>>14154629
>>14154630
>>14154645
>>14154683
>>14159083
American's are just fucking weird when it comes to cars for anything except V8 engines.

>ugly
>like every American ever made except some glaringly obvious exceptions (Vette, most Mustangs, some 50s and 60s metal)
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>>14162946

Ausfailian here, currently in cali, shit guys make a car that isn't fucked.

I saw one el Camino being driven by a Mexican in home depo or the home deep. It was cool and wasn't retarded fuck huge.

The rams and fords are too big. They are ugly.
Stop driving them. Stop fucking buying them.

The roads are too small to fit the things.
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>>14162694
>The flip-side to this is that the foreign manufacturers have had a tough time selling trucks in the US, so we may see Japanese/Korean/German brands attempt to use that niche to crack into the American pickup market.

It's like no one here knows about the chicken tax in the US, and no Mexican here can into reading comprehension.

Refer to here >>14154605

Foreign market can't bring in small trucks without being charged a 25% import tax from the old chicken tax.

None of the big 3 will make a small truck because it'd compete with their regular line, which makes them more money per sale. Lastly, no one bought em when they were being made, so why try again? Every time a company makes a small truck, it doesn't sell well enough to justify the costs.
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>>14155154
yes juan, they are
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>>14158140
Then buy a small ranger or hilux
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>>14162742
Not the guy you replied to, but I agree with his points.

>too big
Yes, I don't need an extended cab and much less want to sacrifice bed size for it
>too heavy
For its towing and load capacity, 3485lbs is obscene. Compare that to a 2002 Ford ranger super cab and you'll notice they have the same towing for the super cab layout... Except the Ford has a much bigger bed, and can load up more too. The Baja is too close to being a medium duty truck, without any of the utility.
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>>14154716
Get VU faggot
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>>14163267
>Foreign market can't bring in small trucks without being charged a 25% import tax from the old chicken tax.

Thank you anon, your condescension is justified and totally necessary. I was utterly ignorant of that decades-old chicken tax, as you so rightly assumed.

It's not as if Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru, Hyundai, Kia, Volkswagen, Mercedes, and BMW have manufacturing facilities within the United States that could make the chicken tax a complete non-issue.

Also, the Toyota Tacoma/Tundra, Nissan Titan, and Honda Ridgeline don't exist.

Silly me.
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>>14163432
tundra and titan are full sized
you're thinking frontier for nissin
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>>14154621
are you guys kidding? its probably the best looking falcon ever made. Both the sedans and utes
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>>14163476
Gotta agree with this poster, FG-X looks the goods. Better than the FG blob it replaced and the complete non event BA/BF... Shame it still handles like a pickup truck compared to the Commodore equivalent.
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>>14154723

7k for one. 250kw (350ish hp)

Check out this Ford Falcon Ute.
https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Ford-Falcon-Ute-2003/SSE-AD-3633929
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>>14163503
>AOD 4 speed
Fucking dropped.
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>>14163432

Not only do I think that's the first time you've heard of the tax, I think your failure to finish reading my post is laughable. There's more than just the import tax stopping them. No one buys small trucks in the US, even more so the case with fuel being under 2 bucks. The last fuel crisis is what brought them into the market, and the new epa regulations is what kept them around. Neither of these things are issues anymore, so don't expect to see a resurgence in small trucks. Go buy a Ridgeline if you consider it small. Go get a Tacoma if you think it's the holy grail of small trucks.

You'll never get to buy a new small truck from the late 70s/early 80s
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I didn't respond to the rest of your post because I had already said almost the same thing, smartass. Domestic manufacturers want to sell full sized trucks. it makes them money.

I pointed out chicken tax because you present it as if it were some kind of deal-breaker. that may have been true 20 years ago, but it's certainly not the case anymore.

And I don't consider Tundra/Titan/Ridgeline "small" trucks. I mentioned them because they, too, would be affected by the chicken tax if they were imported into the US.

Smaller trucks have a market. Tacomas still sell despite being embarrassingly outdated. There's also the Colorado/Canyon and the allegedly upcoming reintroduction of the Ranger to the American market. Not "minitrucks" exactly, but smaller. I imagine that building a modern minitruck to pass crash tests would be difficult. if we get anything smaller than a mid-size, it will probably be on some crossover platform.
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>>14164487
nah, chicken tax is still very much applicable.

If it wasn't, they could just import their foreign truck surplus over here and that'd be the end of that discussion. since it's still active though, in order to get those trucks cheap, they'd have to build them here, with no indications that they'd sell. The startup costs don't justify doing it, whereas if they had surplus of their 2014 models, they could ship them over here, and they could probably sell them well enough to justify importing them.

I would like to see the tax lifted for this reason alone. It'd be interesting to see how the market reacts to the reintroduction of small trucks.
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>>14162742
It makes no sense to get one over a body-on-frame truck. They're damn near the same size, have inferior payload/towing, equal fuel economy, not as easy to repair because unibody, and aren't any cheaper. Like, the entire goddamn reason you can't buy a body-on-frame car anymore is because unibody is lighter and thus more effecient, but this somehow doesn't apply to trucks...even though in not-America it clearly does.

I can't think of an honest reason to get a Ridgeline over a Taco, and US market couldn't either. If it were 10% smaller and 10% more efficient it might have had something.
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>>14165229
You seem to be speaking as though the Baja and the Ridgeline aren't North America specific vehicles.
>inb4 but Baja was sold in South America aswell!
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>>14165229 The tow payload and bed size is fine for what I use the Baja for. I just don't like the ride and handling of body-on frame trucks. I don't worry about reliability with that thing, by the time Subaru came around to making the Baja the design had already been used for a decade in the Outback.
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>>14163476
FG-X front looks baller, then the back looks fucking European as fuck. They should've put a Mondeo rear instead of the abomination that the Falcons have.

I reckon the BA/BF is still best looking Falcon, especially the XR's. FG's XR's can look pretty sexy too though.
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>>14154575
1. A lot of the reason for these car/truck combos was that they filled a niche. They were smaller and got better mileage that the fullsize trucks, and they gave a car-like ride and comforts the rest of the time when you don't need to use it.

However, the niche was soon filled by the minitruck market, which provided the same/better fuel economy, a slightly smaller body, and better ground clearance, plus the body didn't deform when somebody overloaded it, so it was slightly more durable.

2. They were majorly profitable, because the engineering was already done, they used the frame and front half (and most of the interior) off of the platform they were based on.

However, GM's switch from Frame/RWD setups to Unibody/FWD setups effectively left no platform to build an El Camino out of. Ford was making so much bank on the Ranger/F150, that a Crown Vic based (because it was the only Frame/RWD platform they had) was pointless.
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>>14164784
Domestic manufacturing does increase the break-even sales threshold, yes, but it's not a night and day difference. Even if unsold stock were imported for sale in the US, it would need to pass American safety and emissions standards. Then there's all the overhead for marketing and parts that still happens in either case. Plus, at this point in the game they'd be looking at retooling existing domestic manufacturing capacity, which is a hell of a lot cheaper than building out new factories.

I can agree that the tax shouldn't exist just in principle, but repeal now is probably more unlikely than ever. GM and Ford would almost certainly lobby to protect it (even though they'd be first in line to outsource if it went away), and with the foreign automakers' "workaround" in domestic manufacturing, it would be argued that the tax protects American manufacturing jobs.

>>14165229
Unibody trucks and utes never hold up to "real trucks" for normal truck uses, but that's not really what they're designed for. They're compromise vehicles. As >>14167041 explains, they're intended for consumers who need some of that kind of utility, but less of it, and are willing to trade off some capacity for other advantages.

I would agree that Ridgeline misses the mark in being oversized for what it is, and something smaller might've gone over better. Being fugly also didn't help, nor did it help with the Baja. I'm sure there will be more attempts, and hopefully someone will get it right.
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>>14168078
There might be some situations where having something bigger would be more helpful but it happens to work fine for a lot of tradespeople here.
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With the cab chassis version it's rated to carry one tonne payload and can tow up to 2.3, but only if it's fitted with the automatic irritatingly
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If you need to move more then you could use a small truck like this, no big deal.
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Gday mate.
Http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/17/meet-the-other-bmw-with-a-bed-stuart-applebys-m5-ute/
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>>14163432
Or in some cases shipping a van to the US with rear seats in it, therefore making it a passenger vehicle, then taking the seats out and shipping them back to the origin. I think Daimler did this with the Sprinter at first, or maybe they're still doing it.
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>>14169866
Which ironically shits itself with the stock cooler
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>>14169891
I think Ford is doing this with the Transit or Transit Connect also. Though, they might just shred the seats rather than sending them back.
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>>14169891
>>14170149

Yes, and the subaru brat did the same thing with the rear facing seats in the bed of the truck.
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>>14157934
Would it come with SCAT pack for a
SCAT CHUTE?
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>>14169878
The grille definitely did not need to be that tall. That's really ugly
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>>14169878
Ignoring the white walls, and imagining it sounding like a late 90 rally scoob, that kinda makes my dick vomit.
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Someone near me is selling their project dodge rampage. I might go take a look tomorrow if it doesn't sound too messed up when I call the guy about it.
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>>14154621
Dude, the Falcon just has a similar look to the Taurus and the Mondeo, underneath they have absolutely nothing in common mechanically.
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>>14173706

I think it looks awesome.. Need more aggressive looking cars and this one looks fucking mean.
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>>14154629
>>14154630
>>14154645
Yeah i have no idea wtf ford was thinking with the new front end on those utes, they look fucking ugly.
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>>14176800
>"bland exercise in nothingness>aggressive styling"
You're actually sticking up for Ford's back pedalling vanilla approach when they got cold feet after the AU?
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>>14176948
all australian cars have aggressive styling, look at the 2014 fpv's even.

No idea why the decided the last falcon should look like a shit tier european car, it is literally just ford trying to be something it is not, the cars are bogan skid rigs they are supposed to look angry.
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>>14177016
>all australian cars have aggressive styling
>last Falcon looks like a European car

All Falcons look like European cars. The XD/XF was a slightly bigger Granada as far as looks go. They look nearly identical.

Agressive styling in what sense? The design of the car itself or just the stripes etc?

Without the graphics, Falcons do look subdued and Americans would call them plain and boring like they did the Monaro when they got it.
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>>14177037
they were trying to sell them as a new falcon gt so they tried to make them look menacing.

And i suppose you are right aggresive styling was more Holdens thing in the last 10 years.
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>>14177016

It's a poor imitation of the global styling trend of the Mondeo and the Mustang.The FG-X in general looks odd as fuck.
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>>14177037

>Without the graphics, Falcons do look subdued and Americans would call them plain and boring like they did the Monaro when they got it.

To be fair to the Yanks, when they got the Monaro it was already a dated design.
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>>14177068
The thing i don't get about the Monaro is the yanks got the cv8 monaro while HSV was building GTO coupes for the europoors, the Vauxhalls even have a HSV badge on the boot.
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>>14177086
UK got the regular 5.7 Monaro at first when they were first introduced.
They got the HSV 6.0l for a refreshed model and those sold more than the earlier cars
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>>14177098
nono the UK got both GTO's, in 2003 they came with an ls1 producing 285kw and in 2005 they came with an ls2 producing 297kw.
Monaros came with i think 220-260kw and shit brakes/suspension. (GTO's have HARROP racing brakes and suspension)
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>>14177113
Isn't this a CV8?
I know the UK got these first
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>>14177128
i thought use got these (wrong pic before, that one is a superchaged GTS coupe.)
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>>14154575
>Aussie's still make them
for now
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>>14177128
>>14177155
or did you get both because i swear clarkson is driving a gto in this topgear episode not a monaro
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHVwt4d3AuI
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>>14177155
>>14177160
The CV8 was shipped to the UK first, but they got the GTOs shortly after and there are more GTOs around than the regular CV8
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>>14177155
The UK got the supercharged ones as well.
So they got all of them aside the V6
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>>14154575
Why does everyone think they need to drive an SUV/'crossover'? Why do half-tonne pickups fly off the lots into private suburbanite hands? Why is 600cc now considered a beginner bike?

Because people think more of everything is better, even when it's clearly not. More power (they can't exploit), more size (they'll never use), more 'utility' (they have no actual use for).

The notion of something being built for purpose, and appreciating efficiency and simplicity, seems to have gone by the wayside. People what a vehicle that does everything badly, not one that does one or a few things well.
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>>14177185
so the cv8 is the rare one in the uk lol?
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>>14177250
In all the time i've lurked autotrader for monaros I ever saw a CV8 for sale once or twice.
Seen more Maloos and even older mid 90s Clubsports than a CV8 Monaro
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>>14177344
they are basically a 2 door VT commodore, nothing special anyway
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>>14177016
>No idea why the decided the last falcon should look like a shit tier european car
As opposed to the E46 headlit BA/BF? Or the gelatinous blob FG?
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>>14177155
>>14177155
What makes you think that GTS is supercharged?
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>>14177350
The Monaro was always a 2 door variant on the full size four door genius. And the VT silhouette perfectly lends itself to a 2 door variant.
>inb4 4 door GTS badged as a Monaro
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>>14174309
Called the guy and it's been sitting for 10 years with the front windshield smashed out. Nope, you couldn't pay me to take in that project
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>>14177222
>>Why is 600cc now considered a beginner bike?

That was true in the 90s and early 2000s, but most new riders I've met nowadays ride singles and twin cylinder bikes under 500cc.
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