>We just want to heal our country with certain diseases. The previous government implemented a left-wing concept, as if the world had under the Marxist model only moved in one direction: towards a mixture of cultures and races, cyclists and vegetarians of the world, which puts only on renewable energy sources and combating all forms of religion. It has nothing in common with traditional Polish values.
>Next he says that PiS goes against the Marxist world order as they resist what is most in the heart of Poles: tradition, historical consciousness, love of country, faith in God, normal life, a family run by a man and a woman.
>This is a shock for our Polish believers in progress, that their opponents after 25 years of leftist and liberal indoctrination that these traditional values have not been removed and now they have lost power.
>blacks and muslims excluded
This is the crux, Anon. I doubt those Polacks are going to complain about their guys working in the West, or Western people coming to Poland.
What they don't want is a Polish Rotherham, or Warsaw Riots. They see how multiculturalism has worked for the West, and they never had that idealism in the first place. If it's left, it stinks in Eastern Europe, because they lived in a socialist utopia for decades.
The West, meanwhile, shows special (racist, that is) preference to these two groups. We've even had cases of politicians purposefully choosing the side of radical islamists. People will try to tell you that Rotherham was the result of a failing police system and classism (good ol' socialist rethoric) rather than their PC nonsense, but I don't see any native gangs raping Islamic women. There are many more cases of picking sides like this.
>polish people exercising THEIR RIGHT to work in any EU country after drastically changing their country to fit the EU criteria ,pay their "subscription" anually to be EU members
>the same shit as wanting to abandon your culture,religion,language and mix with other races
you're an asshole who purposelly made a false equivalence
>the ones who left Poland now represent Poland and her people
It doesn't work like that. Furthermore, it's the wording which I believe is causing confusion; I think that it's less them opposing different cultures as it is them opposing non-white cultures with a specific focus on the Syrian refugees, or any other mass movement of refugees to come.
Hell, it might not even be about white vs. non-white and just about them not wanting to take in additional, quite potentially burdensome, citizens. The addition of the fact that they are really God damned un-Polish in culture, language, appereance, values and beliefs is a really easy one to point at and say "This is why", but who knows?
Come to think of it, we're all just placing the words of one Pole in the mouths of them all, though I honestly doubt many would disagree.
American doesn't mix culture, we force immigrants to abandon their bullshit and become American, or we used to.
We also didn't let non-Yuros here until Kennedy ruined the place, now it's a shithole that will never again be united in any sense of the word.
This is never going to happen ever.
Best case scenario is China pushing gene modification to the forefront and kicking off a genetic arms race to create the perfect human for a new age, then a global caste system arising as the new humans outperform the old in every way, leading to WW3 or 4, or whatever we're up to at that point, which will likely end with modified humans unleashing a disease they're immune to in order to wipe out the old, useless poo in loo races and genetic failures.
So the future is probably going be Nazis 2: Electric Boogaloo, basically, and thanks to technology they'll most likely win.
Literally everything you've interacted with in the last forever is either a direct result of, based in or influenced by American culture, unless you live in a cave on Mars with your fingers in your ears.
>Journalists of German "Bild" also asked about the December letters from Frans Timmermans, the Vice-President of the European Commission, who demanded the Polish government to seize deconstructing the Constitutional Tribunal. Waszczykowski was surprised by the letter: The Union beaurocrat, who reached his position thanks to political connections is writing to a democratically elected government. Who gave him the right? - the minister asks. He adds that Timmermans is not a "legitimate partner" for him.
>Meanwhile, in the interview for the Reuters agency, Waszczykowski added that Poland may be ready for compromise with London on the issue of limiting social support for Polish workers in Great Britain. In return, we want British help in reinforcing NATO in Central Europe.
these guys are fucking idiots, right? you can't like them just because they say something against race/culture mixing when the rest of their ideologies are totally insane
Nobody respected foreign cultures then, when they came over they were expected to become Americans, and give up their old identities.
We used to change people's names just because they sounded stupid.
Yeah this is the secret, ruthful, middle-ground that no one on the right wing is brave enough to point out at risk of alienating their older right voters and no one on the left would point out because it goes against the jewish dogma.
The fact is that multiculturalism is pretty good except when it comes to people from Africa and the middle east.
If you don't like race mixing then don't fuck someone of a different race. But you can't stop other people from doing it.
It always comes down to individuals, it's not like ''Poland'' is an entity for or against race mixing.
As a state, they certainly have the right to enforce their country's borders, especially with social welfare programs for which that nation provides.
That has nothing to do with where someone sticks their dick/vagoo.
>If it's left, it stinks in Eastern Europe,
>because they lived in a socialist utopia for decades.
And how mixed ethnically/racially/culturally it was?
If this is what stinks, why do they want it back?
>Mixing has worked out pretty well for us
No it hasn't, are you fucking crazy?
The US is on a fast track to being hopelessly divided the very second some sort of societal disaster happens, because surprise, countries are made up of ethnicity, and should modern society hit a large enough snag it'll go right back to being just that, because nobody likes each other when you zoom out to examine the races as a whole, and when the chips are down all those societal niceties you enjoy will go right back to 0 as people fall back into their ethnic enclaves to remake a functional nation state.
Not to mention that people hate living amongst other races, which has such sweeping effects that people function worse as a member of society when placed outside a non-homogeneous community.
>Poles do not want "mixing of cultures, races"
And that's why they come to 4chan?
>Multiculturalism is not necessarily the point of their migration, though. Nothing to do with it, even (likely, for most cases).
Implying you can have one without the other.
Implying vibrant economy is unrelated to vibrant culture.
>We can eat a cookie and have a cookie.
>Logic can bend to my will power.
>This level of denial and hypocrisy.
>Negro steal cow from Polack = bad; Polack steal cow from Negro = good.
These people have learned nothing from communism and capitalism.
(Not that Americans are any better...)
>They migrate for economic reasons, and most go back eventually. They're not hypocrites, just poor.
You don't say the same thing about Muslims who take advantage of the West without becoming Western. Not only are those Poles hypocrites, but also YOU are a hypocrite.
A proof that Americans aren't any better than Poles.
>never change 4chan, never change
Doom Paul: "You could have prevented this.jpg"
Doom Paul: "This is the future you chose.jpg"
Doom Paul: "Why didn't you care when it mattered.jpg"
Good one. This is the greatest irony of Polish racism: Poland's social welfare is non-existent. If I had no money and couldn't work (because of disability), I would die in Poland. Only very selected people get state support. So Poles have no economic excuse for racism. It's pure gut reflex.
Wait, there's free health care for almost all (not all). But that's it.
>Best case scenario is China pushing gene modification
>Holocaust of previous Homo sapiens
This is my anon! The Chinese Communist Party is the only hope left for humanity. Though I don't like how they are trying to broker their control over the Internet with Western governments. I can accept tyranny only directly from Chinese overlords, never from people like me. Muslim tyranny would be the second best choice.
>And that's why they come to 4chan?
yeah, because 4chan is a country.
>These people have learned nothing from communism and capitalism.
It seems like you are the one that learned nothing from our history.
>You don't say the same thing about Muslims who take advantage of the West without becoming Western. Not only are those Poles hypocrites, but also YOU are a hypocrite.
How many muslims plan to return back from where they were born?
But then again, it seems like you are a retard on purpose
Isn't the idea of living in harmony with multiple cultures just a cruel bastardization of what legitimately made america great? The notion of social structure and dimensions being based on skin color is fairly modern, as in the past it was based on culture, where you cane from, what you believe, and other such commonalities.
Living together in harmony isn't just a pie dream, it would be foolish and wrong. The idea of america as a melting pot, dating back from the beginning when many european immigrants who traditionally don't get along moved here is to have different cultures live together and fight. It's almost darwinian in a sense, and the evolution of theories works the same way. Competing frameworks for explanation and interaction with the world lead to a more comprehensive theory- a new culture, an American culture. The problem is with segregation of communities or cultures- both self imposed or otherwise. In america, there is very much a focus on segregation of cultural communities based on race, and it's largely self imposed. Hell, the notion of 'cultural appropriation' denies the core values america was based on.
In order to truly progress, there needs to be a coming together of cultures to pick out the parts of frameworks that work best for society, and phase out the worst. Otherwise it'll just grow within communities like cancer, and if america waits too long, the cancerous masses of culture that subscribe to flawed or unsustainable ideologies will end up winning over viable theories due to mob rule.
>4chan is not a country
So mixing on the Internet is not mixing?
Your are raising an irrelevant distinction.
>How many muslims plan to return back from where they were born?
Indeed none. But that's not the part I negated. Let me rephrase my answer. You never say:
>Muslims don't come to Western countries for Western culture, only for economic reasons, so they aren't hypocrites.
>Muslims use Western inventions for practical reasons, so they are not hypocrites.
I'm sure you instantly see absurd of these statements. Now swap "Muslims" for "Poles"... and you stop seeing the same absurd! That's hypocrisy.
>you are the one that learned nothing from our history.
You want autism back.
>So mixing on the Internet is not mixing?
How is this mixing if we speak one language?
Also, you can always leave 4chan, you don't have to be here. You committed a logic fallacy, and I called you up on it.
I don't care what Poles do in the UK, they can go fuck themselves for all I care. If they start being criminals, they should be jailed like criminals. What is so hard to understand?
What is your message here, because frankly, it doesn't make sense
Multi-culturalism is an utopia and a joke.
>How is this mixing if we speak one language?
1. For starters, this language is not Polish language. So poor Poles "contaminate" themselves culturally by speaking English.
>Also, you can always leave 4chan, you don't have to be here.
>What is your message here, because frankly, it doesn't make sense
3. Before the fall, autism had ruled the world. You want the wall back. You want autism back.
4. If you don't understand the historical significance of the Berlin Wall, you are unqualified to speak about freedom. Go, re-live the 20th century. Then come back and talk again.
>Multi-culturalism is an utopia and a joke.
5. So you oppose freedom of thought?
6. Is this why multi-cultural America came out victorious from the Cold War. and why it had prospered throughout it?
7. Do you miss living under the Soviet diktat much? Don't despair, you still have North Korea. No dissent allowed there! Just go there; don't bring it here. One North Korea is enough for the world.
8. ISIS agrees with you! If you don't like multi-culturalism, you will enjoy radical Islam.
Well, the idea way back when was never that America was going to be a multi-cultural society, but rather a multi-national one, where peoples of differing nations and ethnicities could come together, shed their old cultures, allegiances and hostilities, and trade them in to become Americans, and steep themselves in American culture.
The reason why we've lost the melting pot is because our current great wave of immigration hasn't stopped since it started 50 years ago, so there's been no functional assimilation because we've just been adding to the pile and allowing ethnic enclaves to establish themselves, and it doesn't help that basically none of them are white, so the promises of the 1965 immigration act of not effecting our demographics turned out to be a lie, and everyone knows it, which pisses off the entire country.
So really the only way to even hope to progress at this point is to shut the door and let time pass so that we can make something out of what we have. If you just keep allowing things to go as they are then it's over for America for sure. I don't think you can save the union at this point, but if it's possible then the time to act is now, or else the "fundamentally transformed America" that Obama has such a boner for will become a reality, and the country will fall apart, no question.
America haters who've spent the last 2 generations exporting their security to us are going to be in for a surprise when we're not around to hold back an overtly aggressive superpower like China or Russia, or the upcoming global caliphate.
It's over man, war is coming to the whole world. The crazy thing is that I think Donald Trump is one of the only guys who can stop it, but I don't think his odds are too good unless he gets a lot of helpers.
>Well, the idea way back when was never that America was going to be a multi-cultural society, but rather a multi-national one, where peoples of differing nations and ethnicities could come together, shed their old cultures, allegiances and hostilities, and trade them in to become Americans, and steep themselves in American culture.
Even I must admit this.
>Haters of America who've spent the last 2 generations outsourcing their security to us are going to be in for a surprise when we're not around to hold back an overtly aggressive superpower like China or Russia, or the upcoming global caliphate.
My view is not representative of my nation but I loved the pre-9/11, Reagan-era America. The new, bigoted and Orwellian America is pointless; I'd rather be under the shoe of China or ISIS.
lol, learning languages is now contaminating?
>autism is everything I disagree with
>opposing multiculturalism is opposing free speech
basically, strawman: the post.
return when you either have some arguments, or at least learn to proper bantz
You fail to understand that america doesn't have a culture on their own, instead they are a melting pot. Also, I would never want to live in USA.
I don't care about ISIS, because I'm not muslim
>lol, learning languages is now contaminating?
1. What is "westernisation"?
2. Just ask your idol Adolf Hitler. Or any oppressive regime. Or Boko Haram.
3. Why did communist authorities deter people from English education? What was wrong with Esperanto for fascists and communists? (Reminder: Esperantists in Auschwitz.) Why was the inventor of common Slavic persecuted by the Czechoslovak secret police?
4. Why did Poles refuse to learn German and Russian during the Partitions, during WW2 and during the Cold War? Why do Poles oppose translation of Polish names (by Lithuanians and by Germans)?
5. What... are you suddenly liberal? The point of learning languages is "cultural mixing". Which is what you oppose.
6. You can't even master a language properly without cultural immersion. Look up "immersive language course".
You, neofascists, want to play "pick'n'mix" with arbitrary aspects of freedom and tyranny, like in a supermarket. Just like reactionary Muslims, you want the shiny products of the liberal society without the liberal society. The word for that in my dictionary is: hypocrisy. Hitler was a man of honour compared to the new fascists: his ideology was consistent and he accepted it together with all inconvenient consequences.
YOU ARE NAZI IDIOT.
>autism is everything I disagree with
If you look up the clinical definition, "autism" is an accurate description of Cold War relations.
"You want the Cold War back." Better?
>opposing multiculturalism is opposing free speech
Your doublethink and "pick'n'mix" again.
How can you have one without another?
What is "freedom of thought" when Islam is repressed?
>return when you either have some arguments, or at least learn to proper bantz
How about this one: Lech Wałęsa, the leader of Polish transformation from tyranny to freedom, was (and still is) a champion of "pluralism". That's because lack of it was the hallmark of that tyranny. Pluralism distinguished the West from the Soviet Bloc. It was synonymous with westernisation.
Pluralism is yet another name for what you want now to reverse.
dear samefag, you can stop embarrassing yourself
using buzzwords. manipulating words won't make you look right. if you can't grasp the concept of internet chat, and how different it is to an invasion of a WHOLE country, then there is no hope for you.
also, Godwin's law in full effect. Please stop wasting my, and anyone's else time with your garbage
Pole here. We've fucked up our elections and now we have this blithering idiot as a minister. There is little we can do to stop this shitfest, since PiS has the majority and the president is their puppet - together they can (and do) change the law as they please (they've already paralysed the judiciary branch of our government and have pretty much taken over the public media to spew their propaganda on the weak-minded lemmings that somehow still follow their lead). Do not even bother to discuss this sorry-excuse-for-a-foreign-minister's "opinions", since you should be able to see he has the combined IQ of a lobotomized goat. Any Pole with half a brain doesn't recognise this guy as his minister.
I am Polish and I agree. This what is happening in Poland right now has nothing to do with common sense and politicians (from PIS and Kukiz'15) represents everything what is wrong in politics. New government even hired people to write posts that would support what they claim and shush everyone who are against them. Poland turns to North Korea and don't blame entire nation for actions of few idiots and their mindless followers. Mind that catholic church was actively supporting this new government during elections.
I am Polish as well, and these two guys above me are plain idiots. Things are going pretty good in Poland right now, and if it continues to go this way, we're going to have a bright future ahead of us. No to German controlled media, no to rapefugees, no to corruption and left-wing social bullshit. Of course, half of Europe is now butthurt because we're quitting being a muppet for the last 26 years. Oh, and suck it EU, suck it whole.
This post is why I always blame people, not governments.
>You shouldn't begrudge the North Korean people for being born into a weird god-king cult of a society.
>Tyrannies don't exist without broad public support. ~~Example: USA.~~ Example: Poland.
Putin did nothing wrong!