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Trump edition.
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Can I use a long cage rear mech w/ no clutch for a 1x10 conversion? 32, 11-42 I'm going to try it anyway.
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>2017
>Trump president

Is it still acceptable to use loose ball-bearing on bike pedals?

I will need to replace my pedals soon, but these loose balls are better than a cartdrige ball bearing?
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How useful is a bike fitting? I'm buying a new bike and there's a shop offering a fitting included with the price of the bike- is it worth it?
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Is this level of wear acceptable?
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>>1041721
my LBS did it for free just cause I asked after buying only a set of grips and 2 used screws. Its useful to have help setting your sag on suspension but I basically dialed mine in by myself.
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What are some older /bqg/ recommended single pivot brakes?
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Does Shimano 105 ever sell for cheaper than 364 USD?
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>you realize people support trump unironically
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>>1041712
Yes, and it will work, you'll just have more chain slap than with a clutch der.

>>1041713
>...to the shame of who believe that America was already great, because we're a nation founded on idea that ALL men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.
(loose) ball bearings are preferrable in pedals because they're the best at handling the loads experienced by the pedal, which aren't always perpendicular to the axis of rotation.

>>1041721
Yes, absolutely do let them give you fitting advice. A poor fit can lead to injury, makes you slower, and will compromise your ability to have fun while ring. You've already paid for the fitting in the price of your bike, so there's literally no reason to decline it unless you're already an expert on fitting yourself.

>>1041723
looks like shitty manufacturing - the place where you'd see detrimental wear is in the very middle of the race, not on the edges

>>1041754
Most anything by Campy, Shimano, or Dia Compe that doesn't look like it was stamped out of tin will work. Poor quality single pivot brakes will flex noticeably in your hand, good quality ones don't. pic related is a good example of a quality single-pivot
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>>1041770
>...to the shame of who believe that America was already great, because we're a nation founded on idea that ALL men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.
except niggers and chinks
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I used peanut butter in my wheel hubs and bottom bracket will this cause any issues in the long term?
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>>1041710

Who here biking to the inauguration? I'm parking my car in the burbs and taking a two hour bike path ride in
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Can anyone recommend a good small size saddlebag? (for carrying a patchkit, multitool, etc.) I'm looking for one that I can quickly move between bikes (meaning, nothing to bolt on or fiddly buckles), but most challenging, I'd also like to avoid velcro straps. Anyone?

>>1041771
Sure, we've never quite lived up to the idea of liberty and justice for all - but over the centuries we've been making gradual progress towards expanding the definition of who qualifies for participation in the republic: first to men who weren't good church members, then to poor men, then to younger men, then to black men*, to women, to other races and blacks (* - took two tries), and most recently to homos. The scary thing about Trump is not what he'll do in 4 years, it's that so many Americans were willing to vote for a person who has very little regard for the idealistic goals of America's experiment with democracy.

>>1041770
>>1041754
And here's an example of a really terrible single-pivot brake, the kind you should avoid.

>>1041773
>peanut butter in hubs
>issues
Other than the fact that your bike will attract squirrels?
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>>1041778

Wow it's like I'm really reading a self righteous Facebook skree from my beta uncle
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>>1041778
>so many Americans were willing to vote for [Trump]

Its really more that so many Americans couldn't stomach voting for a psycopathic bitch who would have gotten us into WWIII so that our kike overloards could profit
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>>1041789
So instead of vote in a guy who gets triggered over anything and make him commander in cheif and be one of the most Jew friendly (to both Israel and Wall St. Jews) presidents in history. Rigggghhhhhtttttt.
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>>1041789
>hillary would have cause ww3
Bro just cause a conspiracy theory video was posted with fake translations doesnt mean it was true.
Hillary would have done essentially nothing for 4 years. Maybe passed a few womens rights related bills but she was strictly status quo. (The same status quo that's grinding americans into the dirt, to be fair-in contrast, trump will be the one grinding us under his feet instead of the corporate overlords.)
Gary Johnson is a clueless fuckwit that I'd rather be in office over trump.
Stein would have been halfway decent (except for the green partys notable anti-science thing)
Bernie would have led us into glorious gay legal-drugs enviro-friendly democratic socialist valhalla.

I bet trump rides Magnas.
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>>1041770
>looks like shitty manufacturing - the place where you'd see detrimental wear is in the very middle of the race, not on the edges
And how about this wear on the other tip of this bar? This one seems pretty fucked, like the washer, nut, and also the piece that makes the balls stay "on place". The pedal isn't in good state either.

So, I would need to replace the whole crankset? If so, what should I take into consideration when buying a new one?
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So, for a birthday/christmakwanzica present I'm getting to build my own bike. As in, I'm going to take a bunch of metal tubes and turn it into a bike size ME.
Any advice, tips, tricks, part reccomendations?
Its going to be a road style frame, i want to either use it as a road touring or adventure bike.
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>>1041800
What tubing you going to use? Lugged, TIG or filet brazed? Do you have welding experience? Never welded a frame myself but I've read a few trip reports from people who went on frame building courses, looks like a lot of fun. Hope you like filing.
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I'm looking at a cheapo second hand bike as a winter beater. I've spotted two on a second hand sales group in Facebook, but not sure which one to buy.

>I like this colour
>with some clean up, new saddle and bar tape I think it'd look dope

or...
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>>1041805
>I don't like this colour as much
>looks like it has less racy geometry?
>it's from a more popular brand that used to represent high quality in Sweden (Crescent)
>has a light
>both tyres are flat, apparently
>half the price of the first one.

EUR30 vs EUR15 respectively.

Which one do I buy?
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What's the cheapest /n/ approved bike available in the US? dirt poor NEET trying to change his hikkikomori ways, here. I got maybe $100 to my name right now but am in serious need of a means of transportation.

Alternatively is there some sort of guide or any tips on buying shit on craigslist? What to look for and what are good brands or attributes in a bike? I only really need it to commute from work and school so maybe 30 miles both ways every day
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>>1041763
>>1041770
>>1041771
>>1041777
>>1041778
>>1041791
Shut up, sore losers. Liking or not, Trump is president and it's better that you respect him. Remember your president, that did nothing about NSA surveillance? Remember who is reading your posts now... Remember that your president have not closed Gunatanamo, and you said nothing about? Guess who can send you there, now... You people said nothing when others were target, but the spell may turn against the sorcerer! Not even your liar media can save you now, beaners.
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>>1041802
I believe its all steel and all lugged. I have no experience whatsoever but I'm also taking an 'intro to brazing' class along with it because the makerspace its being taught at reccomends it. As far as tubing, I'm not entirely sure what my options are (we're provided with tubes as part of the cost of the class[over 1k]) but I'm hoping for reynolds 531 or something along those lines.
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>>1041805
>>1041806
Buy the one that fits. The top one looks like a 50-52cm and the bottom one looks more like a 58cm frame.

Can't really tell components but the blue one looks better quality. Double rather than a triple on the front will be easier to get working right. Bottom one has weird stuff going on with the cable routing and will probably need redoing.

But yeah, go by size mroe than anything. blue bike is for someone 5'6" - 5'10". The red one is for someone taller than 6'
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>>1041808
>like it or not hes your president and you better respect him
Like you cucks respected obama? I'm not delusional enough to pretend obama was perfect, you're right about gitmo and he earned the nickname drone king fair and square, but godamnit trump is goint to fuck you just as hard as hes gonna fuck the 'libtards' and you're too busy jerking yourself off about how you 'made america great again' to realize it.
Trump is going to fuck you, whether or not you supported him. And he aint gon use lube or protection.
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>>1041809
Oh fair enough, if you have a tutor you should at least end up with something that looks like a bike. Is it a decent frame builder leading it? Here in the UK, Geoff Roberts at Enigma cycles (Ex-Roberts cycles and very highly regarded framebuilder) runs a course for £1500 plsu the cost of materials (starting at ~£200).

Dug up one of the build reports a guy made: https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/211326/
This was his first one, he's built a couple more at Enigma with Geoff since.
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Anyone use a mountain bike on a trainer? Looking to pick up a trainer and a trainer tire next week and am still debating whether it will be worth it since I don't have a road bike.
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>>1041811
Trump supporters hate "the left" strawman so much they're willing to cuck themselves into subservience to Trump into being mega cuckservatives. But at least he's not Shillary.
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>>1041807
>$100
you're not going to buy anything new for anywhere close to this that's remotely rideable, so your options are craigslist, thrift stores, or stealing
its pretty shitty to steal bikes, so don't do that
look for 90s rigid mtbs, as they're cheap, reliable and easy to work on
craigslist will have some, local goodwill/second hand stores may have some for cheaper, but they'll be in terrible shape

>good brands
only buy from major brands, and stay away from department store brands as they are dangerously bad. good brands to look for (espically for 90s rigid mtbs) are trek, specialized, gt, and other major bike companies

>good attributes
avoid suspension, as cheap suspension is more likely to kill you than make your ride more comfortable. check the frame for cracks or major rust, as these are dangerous. make sure the drivetrain is in good condition, ride it around the block and try shifting into all the gears (unless you are willing to do some work on it at first), make sure the brakes work and don't rub, and check the tires for wear.

>30 miles
it is going to take time and practice to get to the point where you can comfortably ride 30 miles per day, so start riding as soon as you can

>relying on a super cheap bike for transportation
you need to learn how to do maitnence yourself and buy tools
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>>1041820
>>1041807
also, feel free to post your local craigslist, and fill out the form in the >>>/bbg/ and we'll go through and see if anything looks decent

>basic skills
you are going to need to learn how to safely operate a bicycle in traffic and perform basic maintainence like changing a tube, replacing the chain or adjusting the brakes
check out sheldonbrown.com for help with everything

oh, and welcome to /n/, and remember, you're here forever
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>>1041712
Of course you can, what makes you think it couldn't possibly work? I'm surprised that 2 grand didn't get you a clutched derailer though.

>>1041713
>>1041723
>>1041799
Are you that basket having motherfucker? I thought you'd finally gone. I would recommend you just replace the whole fucking bike as it's a piece of shit and every part is just going to need replacing in time.

You're pedal options are going to be fairly limited as you've got shitty one piece cranks that take pedals with smaller axles, you could replace them with some half decent 3 pieces but then that means getting a BSA to America bottom bracket converter and the total cost will probably be more than the bike's worth (and you'll no doubt fuck up the installation).
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>>1041822
>Are you that basket having motherfucker?
Yes! Thanks for remembering about me. My basket is getting fucked, I will need to replace it this year. Probably I will not be able to get a basket as big as my actual one, but at least this way I will be able to install some fender on the front, and a better one on the back. It's not good to get dirty when it rains. Topic for another time, though...

>I would recommend you just replace the whole fucking bike as it's a piece of shit and every part is just going to need replacing in time.
Step by step little by little
Step by step take it line by line
Move move move, move a Little closer

>you could replace them with some half decent 3 pieces, but then that means getting a BSA to America bottom bracket converte
How did you concluded that my bottom bracket is USA-sized?
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>>1041835
>How did you concluded that my bottom bracket is USA-sized?
Because that's what one piece cranks use, it's the only one large enough for the crank to pass through.
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>>1041820
>>1041821

Thanks a bunch for the help man! Will do and already capped it for future reference.

Regarding maintenance, I'm concerned about being able to do repair work "on the go" if I'm not home, so what are some essential tools? I carry a simple multitool but can't really use it as a wrench of any sorts.
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>>1041836
OK, but why do I have to use the BSA-to-USA adaptor? Couldn't I just replace the actual crankset entirely by a better one, BSA?
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>>1041833

I'm reporting you and everyone discussing politics

take it to /pol/ and go fuck yourselves. let or right, nobody cares about your stupid opinions. This is a transportation forum
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>>1041839
Because American sized square taper bottom brackets are pretty rare (mostly Primo BMX cranks that used them, if that's even the same taper size). I suppose you could go for an entire BMX crankset but then that limits you to a single chainring, also you'll probably be buying second hand as BMX have all switched to smaller bottom brackets now.
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>>1041833
>it looks to me as if there's damage to the threads because the pedal was ridden when poorly adjusted
Yes. The pedal got damaged on this place, inside it. It was poorly adjusted, and it's pretty worn on the external bearing tracks, as you can see on >>1041835.

>you'll replace the pedals, not the rest of the rest of the crankset
So, this damage on the thread will not harm the new pedal?
Also, I'm not sure that the crankset is of good quality. I think I probably should check the other parts before buying new pedals? Probably they are not on good state either.

>stop huffing paint before posting on /n/, it makes you ask stupid questions
Someone like >>1041822 cursed me before for not editing the photos before posting them here. Like, posting 1 image per post, instead of a photo-collage.
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Is it okay if I installed fenders on my road bike? Because my local bike club just said that "It looks stupid". But I need it for commuting, so pls give me advice /bqg/
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>>1041846
>So, this damage on the thread will not harm the new pedal?
That's on the pedal axle, when you replace the pedal that part comes with it.
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>>1041846
>this damage on the thread will not harm the new pedal?
Nope, because when you buy a new pedal, it will come with a new spindle already installed.

>>1041847
Fenders are fantastic, ignore the haters. Fenders make riding in rain (or just after a storm) much more pleasant for you and your bike's drivetrain, and most of the time they're aesthetically pleasing too. The only time fenders are ugly is if they're improperly installed, in a color that clashes with the frame, or if you try to put bulky fenders on an otherwise sleek racing bike.

>>1041841
What's the harm if we talk about politics a little? The thread is still on topic and the most of the political posts also contain on-topic content. Also, if you think you're actually going to be able to have a political discussion on /pol/, I am guessing you've never actually visited that shithole of a board.
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>>1041837
np, always happy to get another cyclist on the road

>repair on the go
the most common type of repair you'll need to do is fixing a flat tire. How often you get flats is going to depend a lot on the sort of roads you're riding on and on your tires, but expect to have to fix flats at least semi-regularly

if you get a very minor puncture, which is most common, then its fixible with just an adhesive patch, but if the tube is torn badly you'll need to replace it, but generally most flats can be handled with just a patch
see: http://sheldonbrown.com/flats.html

>tools
general tools I'd recommend carrying on some trips are a patch kit ($10) or spare tube ($12), hand pump ($20-40), multi-tool/hex keys ($10), adjustable wrench ($5) (only needed if the bike doesn't have quick release wheels), chain break ($5) and quick links ($5). Also, duct tape, needle nose pliars and zip ties are useful.

If you're riding < 2 miles away from home, don't bother bringing any tools with you, easier to just walk it home if something happens. Riding between 2 and 10 miles away from home/anywhere with bike parts, I'd probably bring a patch kit and a pump, unless I know the road well and don't think anything will happen. If you're going out into the country or something I'd take every tool you had with you just in case, but in a city you don't need all that much. The list above is overkill in 95% of cases. Most of the time I only carry a patch kit and my pump.

Also, check if there are any bike repair stands nearby, sometimes colleges/libraries/public areas have stands, and know where your local bike shops are just in case.

For general maintance, find your local bike coop, every city has one, ride in, and ask if they'll teach you how to work on a bike. Most places are pretty chill and will be happy to help, and usually a membership fee will run you $5 per month or so. They'll have more sophisticated tools for more specialized work and monthly maitnance
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>>1041847
I'm seconding >>1041851
fenders make riding in shitty weather or on bad roads with lots of grit, much so much more comfortable that there's no real reason not to have them

make sure you get fenders that'll fit your bike well and make sure they're adjusted properly, and stop caring what other people think about your bike

the one exception is that if you're on a $2000 fred sled, don't put fenders on it, but you shouldn't be commuting on something like that anyway
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>>1041851
>that frame
that is one of the most beautiful bikes I've ever seen
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>>1041810
I'll go check blue one out tomorrow, the guy lives nearby. Red lives far off and the seller will transport the bike to me if I buy it.

Aren't both double speed front?

I think I might just buy both and move components to get the best possible combo out of the two.
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Are suicide levers a no-no among enthusiast bicycling circles?
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When buying bartape, is one roll enough for both sides, or do I need to buy two rolls of bartape?
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>>1041867
depends on your bars
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>>1041867
Typically when you buy bartape, it's sold as a pair of small rolls, one for each side the bars, plus a couple of small strips to cover the area directly behind the brake lever that's otherwise left exposed when wrapping the tape around the bars continuously. The only tape I can think of that's sold in single rolls is cloth tape (Newbaums is a prominent example), and in that case you do typically need to purchase two, sometimes three in the case of an extra-wide bar for a rider who uses a lot of tape to make the bars thicker.

>>1041865
If you're referring to the 'turkey wing' lever extensions that came on bikes in the 1970's, those aren't very effective, so they are commonly removed.
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>>1041867

bartape usually comes in a pack of 2 for drop bars

only cotton bar tape comes in singles where you'll want to buy 2.... if I'm not mistaken
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>>1041865
They're also called headache levers, if you mean the in-line brake levers that go on the top of a road bar closest to the stem. In my experience they are just that, a pain to keep them working properly. I think most people who work on their bike a lot ride enough to be comfortable without them, so they don't use them. That kind of thing should be up to the rider though. People have all sorts of weird bike setups to accomodate all their weird bodies.

If you want them, it's possible you really just need a shorter stem-
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1. What's the best bicycle hub generator for its price?

2. Is it worth it to carry two D-locks if you live in a high-crime area, or is one lock sufficient so long as the other cyclists around you still use cable locks?
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>>1041887
>two D locks
you're better off with one D lock and one cable, as they take different tools to cut through
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>>1041847
>my local bike club just said that "It looks stupid".
tell your local bike club to get bent.
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Is it not recommended to disassemble dual pivot brakes? Because I did today and it was a nightmare.
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What's the best sort of kickstand? The side-stand variety? The center kind with two legs? Or the Japanese-style variety that mounts over the back wheel and pivots down, like pic related?
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>>1041899
>bike club tells him he looks stupid
>tell him to get a bent so he looks even more stupid
recumbent riders everyone
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>>1041915
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finally bought my first road bike (been on mtb for years). need to modify the reach.
short questions:
1- thinking of getting a pro plt stem, any rec on other brand/model? looking for a 60 or 70mm stem with +- 5º to 10º angle.
2- is there any difference besides weight with cheaper stems? 50 bucks seems a bit too much.

long question:
3- not really sure the new stem should be 60mm or 70mm. any way to gues which is better? or its just a try thing. tomorrow im gonna measure riding angles with a friend. but still, its pretty much up to flexibilty and performance vs confort right? any guide or tip is welcomed. and nope, havent found anyone that does a real fit job here, im not in the states but in more precarious place, need to find out for sure though. but i think there isn't. not as a service at least.
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>>1041917
>1- thinking of getting a pro plt stem, any rec on other brand/model? looking for a 60 or 70mm stem with +- 5º to 10º angle.
>2- is there any difference besides weight with cheaper stems? 50 bucks seems a bit too much.


Don't. Go on eBay and get an Uno stem. They are incredibly cheap, strong, and light. It' s a no-brainer. Don't even think about it. Just pick the paint job you like most

My experience with bike fit is that it's more of an art than a science. You should expect to buy many stems, and experiment with flipping them and stacking them at different levels w/ your spacers

Saddles, seatposts, cranks, pedals, and handlebars all make a huge difference in fit. Don't focus too much on your stem only

Read about fit a bit, then realize that whoever is giving you advice is probably full of shit and it only applies to THEM, not you. Your body is different. Only self experimenting will work

Last bit of advice is.... if you can't get the fit right.... try doing the exact opposite of what you think will work. Sometimes this is the secret
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>>1041914
>What's the best sort of kickstand? The side-stand variety? The center kind with two legs? Or the Japanese-style variety that mounts over the back wheel and pivots down, like pic related?

The Ursus Jumbo is one of the most heavy-duty kickstands under $100. People use them on utility bikes
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>>1041915

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>>1041917
The lightweight UNOs are the best bang for the buck, period. Don't get the cheapest ones because they make heavy stems too.
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>>1041917
Guessing whether 60 or 70 is going to be better is a complete waste of time without actually seeing you on the bike. As for buying a new stem, in this case I would buy a really cheap one for now, don't worry about getting anything fancy until you actually know what length you'll need in the longer term. Remember that if you've only ever ridden mountain bikes, it's not going to be readily apparent to you what's going to work best on a road bike, 70 is already on the short side and even that is going to feel really long to you until you get a feel for road geometry and drop bars.

As for a basic fit, once you've got your saddle position set correctly, you want to be able to reach the hoods comfortably with your spine straight and a little bit of bend in your elbows (~45°).
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>>1041847
Ride in front of them on a wet group ride and see if they still think fenders are stupid. Most clubs around here require fenders during the wet winter months, nobody wants to get sprayed in the face for a few hours by the guy ahead of them.
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Someone explain me this.
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>>1041974
I- is that a pickle?
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>>1041974
Apparently the acid in the pickle breaks down the chain grease
http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/chain-pickle/
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>>1041974
It's a simple degreaser. You can also use a grapefruit.
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What's the best way to hammer on a crown race?
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>>1042052
http://www.parktool.com/product/bearing-cup-press-hhp-2
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>>1042052
I've always used a flathead screwdriver and a hammer. I suppose the best way would be a tube that's just large enough to slip over your steerer and longer and then whack it from the top.
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>>1042054
>I've always used a flathead screwdriver and a hammer
Even when install the crown race? I heard people doing that to take it off but not on.
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>>1042055
Yeah, just alternate the taps on opposite sides. It does take a while sometimes and the screwdriver does slip off every now and then but all my forks are second hand and old so I'm not too worried about scratching up the crown.
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>>1042057
wow this will take forever! I have an inch to hammer down
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>>1041805
>>1041806
Whatever one has wider tire clearance. Or better yet, a 80s-90s rigid mtb. You're using this as a winter beater, get something that will take wide knobbies for snow covered roads and trails.
>>1041807
OTS or 90s rigid mtb on Craigslist. >>>/n/bbg
If you want to buy new, the cheapest non-shit bike is objectively the Kona Dew.
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>>1041856
>If you're going out into the country or something I'd take every tool you had with you just in case,
Oh cool, guess I'll be taking several panniers and a backpack full of a hundred pounds of tools next time I ride. Thanks for the advice, anon-chan!
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>>1042052
I just did this the other day. I put a rag between the race and a long hex bit and hammered gradually in a circle. Worked well.
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What are the most reasonable roadie 100/130 hubs out there? Something to build with velocity a23 for a vintage cannondale touring bike that won't do any hardcore touring and will not be well maintained

I'm looking for cheap, practical, long lasting. No flash. Formula sealed hubs fine?
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>>1041922
Can you get one like this that lifts the rear wheel off the ground for easy derailleur adjustment?
>>1041974
If I do this and then compost the pickle will it contaminate my compost?
Is there a biodegradable chain lube that would be friendly to my future generation of growing plants?
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>>1041811
>Trump is going to fuck you, whether or not you supported him. And he aint gon use lube or protection.
Any president is like this. It's just that you have never observed this when the fucked one wasn't (You). Now, you'll be able to taste your own poison, to feel what others had to tolerate. Enjoy not being privileged anymore.
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>>1041805
>>1041806
Checked blue one today, way too small for me. Not sure if I want the red one due to how much work it will probably be to restore it.
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>>1042085
if you're not carrying an entire bicycle worth of spare parts you're doing it wrong :)
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What does /n/ think of this style helmet?
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>>1042091
>lifts the rear wheel off the ground
the fold down ones that mount on the same eyelet as fenders are nice for this
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>>1042091

Romancer Ultrabook lives with garlic Olive oil and/or piss according to men's health magazine
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>>1041822
>I would recommend you just replace the whole fucking bike as it's a piece of shit and every part is just going to need replacing in time.
Thanks. I wasn't able to do that as would require more money than I currently have. But I went to the LBS and the owner told me prices and conditions. Appears that he sell them parceled also.
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>>1042122
sweaty head
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>>1042101
I'm a white person that appears to be a guy so I'm still gonna get to feel privileged. I had my problems with obama, had even more with bush, had a similar number of problems with 'big Willy'. Trump is going to fucking suck. Shillary would've sucked but not as much. We could've been on the way to a glorious socialist future, man...
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>>1042136
>We could've been on the way to a glorious socialist future, man...
Socialism?
Check this list of countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states . There are only 3 countries that currently claim being socialist. All other listed failed.
>Cuba: beggar, eats the pieces that fall from USA table. Doesn't have internet for the population to use, enter on 4chan, and shitpost about socialism, like you.
>China: they are not socialist, they are state-capitalists. Ever heard about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping ? Opressive regime. Ever heard of The Great Firewall of China? People there can't get on internet to shitpost about socialism, like you.
>North Korea. Pfff.... It's only still alive because no country wants to receive the useless people that live there. Russia, China, and South Korea throw some bones to North Korea to keep alive, but it can't do shit about anything. Opressive regime. There are like 13 intranet sites, and people can't use internet to shitpost about socialism, like you.

It's due to stupid people like you that we don't have already A GREAT AMERICA AGAIN.
You talk about socialism like someone very privileged, that doesn't even read a Wikipedia article about the topic, and have money to flee from the country if your failed social experiment fails. And have internet to make me loose time pointing out your utter ignorance.
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>>1041710
hi /n/

got my second bike stolen in two months, kind of losing the will to live/cycle at this point, but i need to get to uni for free so what do you think of this:

https://www.gumtree.com/p/bicycles/classic-peugeot-premiere-road-bike.-large-64cm-frame-12speed-one-former-owner-stored-inside-vgc/1211094694

i live in east london and have about £200 to spend for a quick replacement. will be raising the saddle and lowering the handlebars of course.
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>>1042140
>>1042136

> NO NO NO!
> IT WAS *HER* TURN!!!
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>>1042141

That bike isn't worth $25

The seatpost is backwards and I suspect rusty components, rotted tires, and bent wheels
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>>1042141
that's a 64 cm frame, meant for people around 6'4 to ride
also, lock up your bike better, idiot
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>>1042142
Her turn... to suck my dick?
MAKE MY DICK GREAT AGAIN!
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>>1042145
didn't notice the seatpost. I was going to haggle them down a bit, but there's not much else that's better around that price here.

>>1042146
I'm 6'2", I have long legs, I usually ride a 59cm so ok I guess this one is a bit big. And it was taken from my communal basement garage which was broken into, they crowbarred three doors and used bolt cutters on the bike rack itself because the two locks i had were too strong. I think that's locked up securely.
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>>1042152
oh, nevermind, my bad
usually bike thefts are just caused by shitty locking, but if they actually are willing to break in somewhere there's not much you can do abou that

I guess the only thing to do is move somewhere without blacks
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>>1042154
i live in the uk, no chance of that. Maybe i should go to scotland.

any tips for buying a cheap bike in london? looking for a steel road bike with decent wear and tear and a nice paint job to keep me going. Was planning to do some touring later this year on my nice new bike so i guess this one will have to do for that.
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I live in northwest Arkansas. I'm fantasizing/thinking about planing a tour to the Rocky Mountains through Oklahoma, Kansas, Colorado.

My current ride is a performance hybrid Giant Escape. I bought it a few years ago before I really knew what I needed, but got lucky. Nice and stable to handle the varied terrain around where I live -
>stance handles the dirt roads well but is still aggressive enough to travel more than 3mph on pavement (relative to a "comfort hybrid"),
>low gearing good for the hills,
>700x32 isn't perfect on gravel but can handle, and work great on the rough, ill-kept pavements around here

But it's not good for distance, the longest I've done on it so far was 39 miles, very hilly, sometimes gravelly terrain. And I was dying trying to take hills in that flat-bar posture. Not able to move my ass or back around. Drop bars needed maybe.

So I'm definitely going to get something more suited for long distance touring, but I'm not sure what kind to aim for yet. How well does a traditional touring bike handle gravel? With say, 700x35 to 40? I've been looking at gravel bikes but it seems like they're not really built as much for loading down with tons of racks and gear and it seems as though a touring bike is probably perfectly capable on any old Kansas dirt road.
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>>1042122
Fine for short commutes, but for long rides you'll want something better ventilated. I had one and used it for a long time but I'd never go back to that kind of helmet for summer riding, too hot and uncomfortable.
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Had a puncture today which went through the middle of the tyre and has damaged to the casing a bit.

I booted it just to be sure, but would it be safe to say that tyre is cactus?
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>>1042089
Formula are okay. But you can probably find better Shimano hubs (105 or better) for similar prices if you know how to trawl the internet or have real life sources for quality bike parts, because as long as you don't care about 11-sp, road hubs haven't changed much in the past 20 years.

>>1042173
tire preference is subjective, and depends on rider + cargo weight too, also on the quality of the tires. Personally, as a 160lb rider I find that 38mm is plenty wide for me and practically any load on gravel, but ymmv.

Definitely get a bike with drop bars though - for riding on the great plains, having an aerodynamic position available is indispensable for windy conditions. Oklahoma, Kansas, and eastern Colorado on a bike with flat bars would be miserable.

>>1042210
if the tire bulges noticeably in that spot when the tube is inflated then it's time to replace it, otherwise I wouldn't worry about it.
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What material do you guys use for hubs/headsets/bottom brackets/etc? Is Molygrease ok?
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>>1042221
Alright, I had a look and the tyre seems to be smooth. Cheers anon.
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>>1042221

thanks on the hubz tip babe
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Hello I'm buying right this moment. Just need a commuter bike

Narrowed it down to these two, which is better, thanks

http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Giant-Escape-3-2017-Hybrid-Sports-Bike_97557.htm
https://www.rutlandcycling.com/371369/products/trek-fx-2-2017-hybrid-black.aspx
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>>1042224
Honestly any grease works
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Just got my stuff from Wiggle. Thanks for your help guise, it's perfect and at least 1/2 the price of the local shop.

(you helped me buy a wheel and tire in another thread)
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>>1041841
>This is a transportation forum
Nope, it's a transportation BOARD.
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>>1042305

The Trek has slightly better components
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>>1042305
They're both pretty shitty, no way I'd pay that much for a bike with rim brakes and Tourney. Had a quick look through Tredz and there's quite a few better bikes under the budget of that Trek, the Merida Speeder 100 is what I'm drawn to for £400 or the Merida Crossway 40 for £380. I would say pay the extra for the Speeder but it apparently has cable disc brakes (looks like hydraulics in the photo though, maybe email them to clarify) where as the cheaper model has hydraulic discs.
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this has probably been talked over a thousand times but here we go.

I want to build a dirt dropper.
I heard pairing a 9speed mtb deraileur with a 10speed road shifter and 10 speed mtb casset will work.

now, with this setup do I get 10 or 9 gears ?


bonus question, dose road shifters also mean road bar end shifters ?
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>>1042336
I asked about Merida here last time and got abused. Their bikes also look pretty bad visual-wise. I really don't mind much about brakes 2bh
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>>1042337
The speeds is determined by the shifter so you'll have 10. With a 10 speed road shifter you can use 6/7/8/9 speed rear derailers from road or MTB and 10 speed road. The distance between cogs is the same for 10 speed road or MTB so you can use either.

>>1042338
I think they both look pretty good, better than the Trek or Giant (assuming you don't mind the colours). I don't think there's anything wrong with Meridas, they might make some shitters (so do most companies) but they also make some really nice stuff.
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>>1042337

Are you after 10sp so you can go 1x?

Projects like this usually cost 3x your planned budget and end up driving you insane.

Stay with traditional options rather than dropping money on kludges

Better ideas:

*SRAM force 1 CX group
* Shitmano MTB 1x with Jones bar instead , or some other alt bar for 22.2
* 2x9 shitmano XT drivetrain with STIs. Mini v or road discs for braking
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>>1042340
Looked over it again, what about this http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Merida-Crossway-Urban-100-2016-Hybrid-Sports-Bike_81843.htm
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>>1042340

great thank you.

I have another question.
I'd love to run my old black lx crank as a double.
I plan on using the inner two rings and a bashguard on the outer.
should I get a 10speed double front deraileur
I'd be using the dura ace 10speed bar end shifters
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>>1042340
>The distance between cogs is the same for 10 speed road or MTB so you can use either.

This is not true for Shimano. And SRAM doesn't do 10sp 1x. There is no cheap 1x road option for a 40t+ rear in 10sp unless it's a kludge

I have successfully shifted 11-42t 10sp with SLX 9sp, with an 8sp bar end shifter. But it was stupid and on a touring bike, not MTB. The chain barely touches the smaller heard and crunching gears was guaranteed. Not worth your time. Go 2x
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>>1042345

I'd love to go 2x10
10 speed ecause I have a casett lying around and could get the 10speed bar end shifters from a buddy. to be honest I might just have a 9speed xt deraileur lying around.

but as I said , I don't really get what kind of front deraileur I should/could get.


also , you are absolutly right this is probably the fifth stupid meme build I did and they allways end up way more expanisve than planed and the whole process is pure agony.
I don't know why but I love it.
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>>1042346
If you're willing to pay that much then yeah it's a good choice.

>>1042347
I'm not sure how front derailer cable pull ratio has changed over the years so I'd say stick with 10 speed just to be sure, you can use double or triple (simply set the limit stop on a triple so it doesn't shift past the middle ring).

>>1042348
>This is not true for Shimano
Yes it is, it's the same 3.95mm as SRAM 10 speed.

>SRAM doesn't do 10sp 1x
Everyone does 1x 10 speed, you just don't put a double or triple up front.

>There is no cheap 1x road option for a 40t+ rear in 10sp unless it's a kludge
There is no 40t road option at all, regardless of price or 1/2/3x (not that the latter has anything to do with the cassette or rear derailer. There are 10 speed mountain bike cassettes that go up to 42t from Sunrace for a fairly low price if you don't want to mess with an expander cog.
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>>1042354

yeah I guess a 10 speed front deraleur would be safe , but will I have trouble with a road front deraileur and a mtb crank ?
or should I just use a tenspeed mtb front deraileur sind the front is still compatible ?
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>>1042358
I'm pretty sure that road and MTB have different chainlines but I think the derailer should have enough sideways movement to make up for it. If anything the MTB crankset will have a wider chainline so using a triple derailer would allow more than enough movement, I don't know if double derailers differ in how far out they can move or if it's just a different cage.

Like I said I don't know if the cable pull varies with front derailers, if it doesn't then by all means use a MTB front derailer instead. One thing to note is the direction that the cable comes from, most road bikes have it coming from the bottom where as some MTBs have it coming from the top.
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Any advice for removing this, but or whatever. I tried vicegrips and using a chisel and hammering it clockwise to unscrew it but I've gotten no where. Bike is a shitty gt box if it matters
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>>1042388
Forgot pic of course
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>>1042388
Chiselhammer it counterclockwise
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Guys, if a Presta valve just snapped off, did you have to change the whole tube or only the valve head? And where to buy them?
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>>1042416
If you mean the pin that you unscrew the nut from then you can replace them if the tube uses removable cores. I'm guessing it must be a rather high-end tube or tubular tyre for you to consider fixing the valve instead of replacing the whole thing, and if that's the case then it likely has a removable core.
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Got a full Shimano 600 arabesque group set. What should I do with it lads?
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>>1042446
Send it back to the middle east where it belongs.
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>>1042446

ebay it and buy some plastic STI carcinogen leaking disposable shitters because human life ain't worth shit buy buy buy buy meme it up
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>>1042224
I use marine grease because I ride in a wet climate
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Is there something wrong with square taper bottom brackets/cranksets? Or are they just heavy or something?

Just noticed when looking at cranksets that square taper seems to be reserved for low-end stuff. Are there any advantages to the other interfaces, and when is it worth upgrading the bottom bracket?
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Pretty sure trump would hate bikes and public transit
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>>1042476
Well they couldn't be any worse than fucking cotter pins
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I have a bike with 7 speed Shimano Nexus hub gears back, and the shifter broke. Is it possible to put a rapid fire shifter on it, or will I need to get another rotary shifter?
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>>1042476

Fixay bros still like their Sugino 75s with loose-bearing cupz.

Square taper is easier to customize Q-factor. When working with old frame you might find modern BB + crank combos either hit the chainstays or stick out way farther than they have to. Square taper lets you set your chainline exactly where you want it

But it's annoying to buy multiple BBs to figure out the chainline at first. And it's technically much more complicated than GXP for a noob. It's not plug-and-play. And people are lazy

I like GXP for this reason but have square taper on all of my bikes because I'm poor and always working on some stupid old bike when I should have bought new
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>>1042476
It's harder to work on (requires a crank puller), more complicated (multiple axle lengths), and has smaller internal bearings and a smaller axle.

>>1042495
You need the specific shifter. You may be able to find a third party one in a different style, you can get bar end shifters from JTek for the Alfine 8 and 11, but I doubt there are any trigger shifters for it unless Shimano made one.
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>>1042446
Sell it to some clueless hipster
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Stupid question from a stupid amateur here

Can you install bull horns/drop bars on a bike that has flat/straight handle bars?
How would you sort the brakes and gears etc
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are these any good?
i have a 90s rigid mtb with an easton frame, and i wanted to install a suspension fork, preferably in 90s style
obviously not planning to do any severe mountainbiking
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>>1042530
Yes, you need to get new shifters and brake levers.
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Need to get a hand pump, what should I look for? I mostly just commute, so I guess something cheap that'll get me home rather than worrying about getting something good. Is there anything in particular to avoid?
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What cheap cycling kit can you get on amazon that is good?
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>>1042531
omg yes do it. Those are bad ass
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>>1042545
If you are talking about the cheap chinese shit its usually good but the hard part is getting the size correct. My favorite shorts are some $10 chinese shits that say "pterosaur" on the tag. I also got a jersey once for like $12 that is a legit northwave but was not advertised as such. Protip- if you get something from china and the size is not right you can contact seller and they will refund you fully or sometimes 50% and let you keep the item to avoid bad reviews. I don't abuse this but I know people that do. The santic brand stuff is also pretty good. For some reason ebay has a lot of good deals on alpinestars stuff- i like their baggies and they come with padded liners.
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>>1042531
I'm not familiar with that specific fork, but the usual issue that people have using old suspension parts is that you may not be able to find the correct seals and other small replacement parts needed to overhaul the fork and ensure that it works properly. If you're willing to do your homework and track down the necessary bits (and do the work yourself, you may not be able to find a shop willing to deal with it for you) then go for it, otherwise you'll have a much easier time if you install a more modern fork in good condition.
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>>1042531
Looks pretty collectable.
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>>1042548
god damn that is some grand theft autismo level kit
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>>1042548
SANIC
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>>1042572
>grand theft autismo
/n/igga please
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>>1042478
>Pretty sure trump would hate bikes and public transit

That's where you're wrong, kiddo
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>>1042548
jahv?
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I got a folding bike with handlebars slightly too low, I can ride fine but if one of my knees is up then it blocks sharper turning in that direction. Could I get a stem riser to circumvent this issue? Or is there something more significant that I could get?
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>>1042621
Seems to me your reach is too short
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>>1042629
I'm not sure I follow, I should get something to move the handlebars further away?
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>>1042633
it isn't just that the bars are too low, the length from the seatpost to the stem isn't far enough for you
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>>1042544
Get a pump that suits the volume of your tyres, ie if you have 3Xc commuting tyres get something for high volume, if you're under 32 probably high pressure moreso.

I like the lezyne ones with the screw-on hose, but a pressure gauge might be handy.
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Recently got a new pair of shoes. Using them on one of my bikes they're basically fine, but on the other one it kind of hurts in the arch area. Could it be related to saddle height (too high?) or something like that?
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72 self built International
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>>1042640
I see. So what I should really do is get an extension for the handlebars to move them further away? I've seen those extenders before, guess I'll look into one.
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>>1042122
I have a Giro Quarter and I like it. I use it for road and mtb, but you'll have haters if you use it with a road bike.

I wouldn't buy one with a beak/visor/etc.
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>>1042692
It would help if you posted a picture of your bike
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>>1042476
I think they are just heavier. But they do seem to last for ever if they arent absolutely cheapest chinese garbage.
They come on cheaper bikes because they are cheaper and high- end cranks aren't compatible with them.
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>>1042692
Depending on the bike, best solution might be just a longer stem. If it's a special shape for a folder that might not work.
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>>1042595
>racing bike

If this was a man off camera and it was a commuter you know full fucking well Trump would have laughed, told him to fuck off and get a real car like anybody else who is worth a fuck.

That boy is just lucky Chrysler hadn't just give Dumpster Fire very much money any time lately, or the boy might have even gotten slapped around a little bit.
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>>1041710
"I will build a large train track between Mexico and USA and I'll make Mexico pay for it"
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I'm wanting to improve my general technique on my bike, but I can't find any decisive information on it, so I'll ask here:
How am I supposed to be breathing?
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>>1042478
You'd be wrong.

>>1042733
I wouldn't expect much love for the critical mass crowd, or plebian commuters.

>>1042771
Deep and relatively slow like any other aerobic activity.

http://www.bicycling.com/training/skills/how-changing-your-breathing-can-improve-your-performance
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Would a normal bike workshop be able to...
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>>1042850
..cobble something like this together for me do you think?
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>>1042851
No
most normal shops don't weld.
nor do they have steel stock lying around

better off just going to Home Depot and DIY
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>>1042852
Do they not have to..weld frames or anything?
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>>1042851
>>1042852
This, unless you're a woman you should be able to make something like that yourself. You don't even need to weld it, just bolt it together.

>>1042853
No, nor should you trust a shop monkey to do so. For shit like that you take your frame to a proper fab shop.
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>>1042855
Man's got to know his limitations.
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>>1042859
If you can't handle such basic shit then you're hardly a man at all.
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>>1042860
That would wound me if I cared.
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>>1042863
You should care, you should be embarrassed. Seriously, what sort of man can't even cut and bolt some tubes together to make such a simple contraption?
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>>1042865
With what tools exactly? If you have neither those or the skill you pay someone else to do it who does. Thus the mechanical professions continue to exist.
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>>1042866
You're telling me you don't have a hacksaw, a drill, and some wrenches? If you don't then you ain't a man.

Buy the tools (borrow the drill if you're a major poorfag) and like $30 of materials and figure this shit out for yourself. It'll be much more satisfying and it'll save you some money.
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>>1042867
I'm more surprised this is a shock to you, that people might live differently. I do see the value in your suggestion, but I have to weigh it against the risk to and cost of the trailer in case I make a substandard thing that fails, for example
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I recently got another pair of pic related.
My old pair got stolen, I locked the zippers to the brake cables and someone broke the zippers, left the locks hanging on my bike.

I'm thinking of punching holes into the barmitts and securing it using screw on bar end plugs. Would this work to deter theft? Or do i take it off for every stop I make...
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Is there a guide for what to look for and what to avoid in finding a new fixed gear bicycle? Perhaps even a buyer's guide with recommendations per price point and further information?
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>>1042883
Just avoid them in general. If you want to go single speed then fine, if you don't need multiple gears then you save money and weight and have a more reliable bike. There is no practical reason to go fixed.
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>>1042696
>>1042699


Don't have it handy but here's the amazon page

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006JCUPVM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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got a dilemma. one bike I'm looking at is about $170 more than the other and has better components and stuff, but has literally no reviews, no online presence, nothing, its an unknown bike but by a decent brand

the other bike is cheaper with worse components but has great reviews and people claim it's a fun, versatile great bike that got them into professional cycling

Not sure what to go with
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>>1042973
links would help mate
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>>1042893
You'll need a new stem with a quill tall enough for that kind of bicycle, and long enough to make a difference on reach. Something like pic related, I'm sure there's cheaper alternatives

https://www.amazon.com/Nitto-Technomic-long-quill-stem/dp/B007EZLHH4/ref=sr_1_24?ie=UTF8&qid=1485007042&sr=8-24&keywords=tall+bicycle+stem

You could also replace those swept-back bars with flat ones, that would also put your hands further away from your body.
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Can somebody review this for me

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008CE9KKM/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=marketorder-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B008CE9KKM&linkId=59150a722f3674f8caebc6e110c4961a
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>>1042992
269 people already reviewed it you dingus
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>>1042992
Piece of shit
For that money you should buy used
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>>1042994
>>1042993
what about this one
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FNVBS5C/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=marketorder-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00FNVBS5C&linkId=5ba2fd310ba9155f7aab3d06d93a52a8
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>>1042995
Walmart crap, avoid like the plague
Seriously, you won't find anything worthy for that money. If you post your local CL and height we can help you find something nice
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What is 'Track style nutted hubs'. No quick-release?
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>>1042997
Yes
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>>1042998
I don't have to lock my wheels?
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>>1042999
That's up to you, it's not too hard to loosen a couple of nuts.
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>>1042999
check out these if you don't want to lock wheels http://www.onguardlock.com/skewers
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>>1042978
>>1042893
you could also flip those bars for something northroad-ish and get mcuh more reach
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>>1043011
Garbage. If you align the release normally, up the fork in front or horizontally along the chainstay in the rear, then they don't lock, they only lock when facing downwards. Springs break if you tighten them at all. Can be defeated with a magnet or one good hammer blow. Go shill your shitty product elsewhere.
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Where does /n/ buy good stuff to wear in the UK? Mainly looking for jersey, bib shorts and some sort of thicker, more waterproof jacket. Any good shops/eBay deals?
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Whats the other big website that ships to Canada?

I have wiggle but there's another one that I forgot.
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>>1043028
Chain Reaction Cycles
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>>1043029
Thanks.

Which of these should I get? They're all within my price range, I just want to get one that will not leak when it's disconnected.
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>>1043031
Forgot link

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ca/en/pumps/suspension-pumps
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>>1042978
>>1043012

thanks for the responses

I'm curious though, how do you know what to look for in this case? As in, what knowledge or experience did you call on for determining the kind of replacement stem/handlebars I would need?
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>>1043031
>>1043032
None of them should leak, even my cheap unbranded pump works fine. The only ones I'd avoid there are the Topeaks and the SKS one as they have uncomfortable straight handles.

Out of the remaining three I'd probably go for the Airwave dual as it's the cheapest and doubling as a tyre pump could be handy if you want to take it with you on a ride (as long as you don't mind spending more time to inflate your tyre). That's if you have Presta valves, if you have Schrader (or a Presta to Schrader adapter) then any shock pump will do.
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>>1043038
By leak I mean that little explosion of air that happens whenever you unplug a pump.

This one:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ca/en/topeak-pocket-shock-dxg-pump/rp-prod7355
Seems to be able to avoid that.
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>>1043039
They all do that, it's the air that's left inside the pump and hose escaping and not from the shock. It's not as noticeable with tyre pumps as the pressure is lower and if it's a hand pump there's often no hose.
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>>1043042
Alright...well I went for the "step up" because it's only $10 more. I might have just been gimmicked but then again it might last longer.

Thanks for your help!
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are drop bars better for a bumfuck flyover with the closest grocery store 10 miles?
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>>1043046
I hope you get a cargo bike.
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>>1043047
i buy bulk once a month & prime pantry condiments and stuff, but rarely go to town unless i want to hit up wegmans
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>>1043046
Yes
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>>1043046
Yes which is why they come on the surly lht

Which you should get. Get a nice straight path and get that fucker up to cruising speed, get aero and relax as your expensive bike wheels do the rest.

Esp if it's flat
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>>1043056
>tfw you live not only in a car-dominated area, but also a very hilly one

At least there are four-lane roads, nothing makes drivers angrier in my experience than not being able to pass
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>>1043058
Bunch of impatient fucks in 100mph death machines.
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>>1043059
it gets better, there's tons of teenagers and pickup drivers too. I'm slowly working up more courage but it's hard to keep going when people yell random shit at you out of their windows.
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>>1043058
4lanes are heaven. Just get good at holding onto Cars in traffic.

You CAN skitch right?
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Need a cheap bicycle. How does this one look?

What are some questions I should ask and knowledge I should know before picking up this bike?
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/5924331141.html
I only like it because it's my size, it's supposedly a steel frame, and the color is pretty.
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>>1043011
Wow, these look even shittier than the Kryptonite equivalents, which are also easily overpowered.

Pitlock skewers are the only product of this type for which I've not heard a trivial defeat technique... and even then I wonder about using vise-grips on the stump end of those.
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>>1043115
I mean, we could pick apart a few things (e.g. brakes, saddle) but for $160 and in your size, that's what I would call a deal in most US markets. It's a solid ride. those shifters and I think the deraillers are an upgrade over stock, and it's obviously been well maintained or restored. for these reasons alone, you've got a deal.


>it's supposedly a steel frame

it's definitely steel. whether it's basic (crappy) "hi-tensile" (derisively known as "gaspipe") steel or Cro-Moly alloyed steel by a reputable maker is in question. Either way, for the price, even gaspipe is not the worst thing in the world. It's just heavier because the tube walls have to be thicker to get the same strength as the better steel. There was probably once a decal on the seat-tube indicating the steel type, but looks missing (likely a repainted frame.) Usually the nips came correct with the steel, tho
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>>1043086
skitching is for fags with a death wish
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>>1043141
Damm straight

ARE. You not a faggot or something

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>>1043121
Hey anon

How much money could I steal by taking your rear deraileur?

How much weight are you willing to sacrifice?

Personally I run a dura ace 9spd right now so I'd be out of pocket an easy 100 dollars min to replace. For a part that can't be locked up at all

Furthermore, no bike lock prevents people from jacking off on your seat
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>>1043145
So someone's going to undo the mounting bolt, undo the cable bolt, and then break or cut the chain for something that may be worth $100 or could be half that or less. On the other hand even the cheapest set of wheels is going to be worth more than that and only requires undoing the skewers.
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>>1042870
whatever
man or not argument regardless
a typical LBS isn't going to do that kinda of work
so if you insist on paying someone else to do it, check machine shops
or a bike FrameBuilder -which *is* where you go to weld frames, not the LBS btw.
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>>1043121
The trivial technique to defeat any 'locking skewer', Pitlocks included

is to take a pair of Cone Wrenches, and overtighten the hub locknuts
this reduces the hub OLD slightly (width), which relieves the clamping pressure applied by the skewers
allowing them to be spun off by hand.

afterwords, you have to readjust the hub, but it works
-bike mechanic, often have to legitimately bypass locks when customers forget to leave their keys with me

now go out there and steal some wheels!
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Thinking about buying a roadbike, never owned one before.

Currently have a Specialized hybrid that I bought 3 years ago, and a 15 year old Gary Fischer that I found unassembled in a half flooded basement last year. Both are really good bikes, the Fischer I mostly use to commute to work.

What would be some good brands to look for on Craigslist? I don't need anything super fancy, but with my hybrid bikes, I feel kind of limited in my speed. I never really average more than 15-16mph, and I gotta go fast.
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>>1043058
I deal with this a lot. People will seriously cut in front of me to make a right turn into a shopping center, because the thought of me causing them to wait 1 extra second to turn, as I ride down the road, sends them into a fit of autism.
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>>1043169
Brand name is one of the least important things to consider, just find a cheap used road bike to try out for starters. The only thing that really matters if you've never been on a road bike before is that the bike be close to the right size for you and in good working condition. Bikes made in Japan in the 1980s are a safe bet tho
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>>1043170
I have that happen a lot. More interesting, today I was riding to the grocery store, took a left turn on a neighborhood road, and a car also turned left and fucking passed me mid-turn. I don't know where people get these idiotic ideas on how to drive, but I'm pretty sure that little move wasn't at all legal, prevailing traffic rule or not.
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Forgive my autism but why don't I ever see a bike that looks like a roadbike horizontal top tube frame etc. almost looking like a simple fixie, but it's actually a full suspension mountain bike?
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>>1043175
Horizontal TTs were the result of frame building techniques dependent on fillet-brazed lugs, but FS bikes became popular after the popularization of TIG welding that allows for more variation in tubing and frame shapes. What that means is that there's no demand for 'classic-style' FS bikes with horizontal top tubes, because when people think about what a mountain bike is supposed to look like, they picture sloping top tubes.
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>>1043175
>y u no horizontal top tube on fs
Crotch clearance. Say the wheel is 584mm, plus 56mm tyre, plus 70mm crown+bridge, plus 160mm travel, plus 130mm headtube stack - that's a metre. Now you want some margin on that, so it you can find a rider with a >110cm inseam that'd be great. He should be easy to spot if you do.
All but circus freaks need a sloping top tube on a mountainbike.
>>1043176
No. You whole post is just no.
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>>1043169
Search for your frame size in cm. There are lots of good brands and lots of options out there, so I've found it better to just put the size in, which both limits the search to road bikes and to sellers who are less likely to be morons.
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can I run a old race face ride xc crank on a steel mtb with a threaded 68mm shell ?
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>>1043224
Yes
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>>1043225

thank you
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is it true that a bottom tier carbon fork makes less of a difference then good tires when it comes to road fatigue
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>>1043259
Probably. Wider tyres makes a great difference. If you run 23, get 25, and if you run 25, get 28. Also double bartape on the bars helps.
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How much am I going to regret buying a cruiser saddle from Walmart? The classic saddle I had on my bike broke and I can't afford a LBS replacement right offhand.
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>>1043342
You'll regret it only if your rides are longer than 10 miles
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is it possible to wear normal clothes in a mildly agressive dropbar commuter?
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>>1043365
No. Your head will asplode.
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>>1043365
If you don't mind chafing
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so do most commuters just change clothes when they arrive?
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>>1043386
Not sure about -most-, but a lot of them.
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Is it worth shelling out for campagnolo tools or is park tool fine?
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>>1043397
Park tools are already absurdly expensive compared to the rest of the other brands, but I suppose if it's campy you don't have much choice?
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>>1043419
Oh I don't have any campy parts on my old junker of a bike, was just curious about what brand of tools I should go with for starters. I have none bike tools of my own and want to start building a collection.

Xtool and cyclo are cheap by apparently of middling quality. I guess park tool will do then?
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>>1043428
Park tool is way over the top. If it's only for personal use then the cheap kits will serve you for a long, long time. If you get fed up with a particular tool you'll then know what level of quality you need to replace it with.

Choose a level:
http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TOJW13PC/jobsworth-13pc-essential-tool-kit
http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TOJW41PCTK/jobsworth-pro-41pc-swap-shop
http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TOJW33PC/jobsworth-super-pro-all-u-need-workshop-toolkit
http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TOJW30PCTK/jobsworth-pro-workshop-quality-30pc-tool-kit

An absolute lifesaver (possibly in the literal sense) is one of those cheap but very accurate torsion bar torque wrenches.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/se/en/topeak-combo-torq-wrench/rp-prod137802
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Noob question. How do I remove this saddle?. Bought the bike and this was the First time I ser this mechanism. Bolt on the left is for leveling and the right one id for tightening. Tried to remove the right one but it never ends, only get loose but nothing more, it looks like it hace another part which makes it impossible to remove.
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>>1043342
just steal someone else's saddle from the racks at your nearest train station, go between train stops and no one will be around

you'll be better off
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>>1043466
>youll be better off stealing other peoples stuff than paying for your own
Yeah, no shit Tyrone.
>later
How did the neighbourhood get this way *BAAAWWWWW*
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>>1043461
Finally I managed to change the saddle, I had to adjust the left bolt lowering it until the saddle came out, it's a weird sistem desu.
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new here

can roadbike frames handle these things?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DWKUAZK/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=marketorder-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00DWKUAZK&linkId=335401db8b24bc296a34ee32735813c0
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>>1043495
It's the standard system, senpai. Both bolts are for leveling and tightening. One is just too awkwardly placed to be accessed with a hex tool and has a knob instead.
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>>1043497
Some can. What exact road bike frame?
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>>1043497
Yes, and if the frame doesn't have mounts, there are adapters, and even you can do them yourself buying some cheap pieces on a hardware store, don't know the name, they are pieces that are used to attach gas/water pipes into walls, so you basically put two of these pieces on your stays and it works like rack mounts. Also I think I have seen a special seat clamp that has those mounts.
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>>1043520
P-clamps.
>RATTLERATTLERATTLE
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>>1043428
just buy as you need for the specific repair. even paying shop prices for tools (which they usually do stock Park) will come out same or less than paying the same shop to repair it, and you don't have to wait on shipping; then those subsequent repairs are "free"(ish). I've got some Pedros cone wrenches because the shop stocked them and they were a good price--they're totally fine. And a Minoura (some off-brand?) true-stand that I bought from Performance because it was the cheapest one, it's given me decades of good service. I like Park, but mostly I get whatever the shop has so I can go home and do my repair immediately.

>>1043459
I wouldn't buy a kit, personally. You're investing in a bunch of stuff that may not be compatible with your particular bike or you may not need ever or for a really long time. But, yes, paying Park prices for one is overkill unless you have a comfortable income, in which case, why not?

I guess if there's not shops close to you then getting a kit up front would make sense, but I've always lived in urban/semi-urban places so my method makes sense to me.
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why should I not get one of these walnut helmets
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0189JTVCQ/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=marketorder-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B0189JTVCQ&linkId=0c083c0960c7a1c5b81d0dc96ecf67b2

instead of one of those faggy looking tour de france shit
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>>1043497
generally, yes. but possibly not due to weird geo or tire clearance or something. modern race-specific frames will not have mounts but you can adapt like other anon said but if it's carbon don't fuck with it.
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>>1043523
Because you'll look like a downie skater
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>>1043523
not really any good reason, all helmets must by law pass the same ANSI/Snell impact standards. so, you do you. weight and air circulation are the only practical factors you need to consider, but basically if you buy for looks it doesn't matter safety-wise.

Of course, why bother buying a helmet at all?
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>>1043531
>all helmets

I mean, all helmets sold specifically as BIKE helmets. a real skateboard helmet or a hockey helmet or a football helmet is a separate issue--don't use those. Not that you would, but just to clarify.
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>>1043523
>instead of one of those faggy looking tour de france shit
Helmets are safety objects, not a fashion ones.
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I have a road bike, I enjoy it. I'm thinking of buying a 2nd hand cx bike as a reserve.

Some questions:
>The dropoff seems to be speed on the road: how much is this? If I cruise around 34km/h, will I still be able to crack 30 on a cx bike?

>Would it be a bad idea to go riding in the alps with my cx bike? My road bike doesn't have anything for a pannier, and I worry about attaching too weight to it. I am planning to go ride in the alps this summer, where I would be doing some climbing/descending. Is a cheap cyclocross fit for this?


Currently eyeing:
http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/latest-bikes/cyclocross-bike/ridley/crosswind/prd_366542_5670crx.aspx
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>>1043562
Yes and yes. CX bikes are pretty much road bikes with wider tire clearance and a slightly different geo. Just get one with fender/rack eyelets.
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>>1043562
>>Would it be a bad idea to go riding in the alps with my cx bike?
Don't they have smaller chainrings?, it should be easier with that gear range.
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>>1043346
I wound up getting a Cloud-9 Cruiser Select Airflow from my LBS instead of going to Wal-Mart. I'll get a "correct" Brooks leather saddle when I can afford it.

>>1043466
>stealing someone else's property
"no."
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>>1043531
>meeting or exceeding the same minimum requirement in an artificially constrained bench test means identical performance
Anon, you sure are a special branch of the stupid tree.
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>>1043585
He has a point, anything above that benchmark can't really be guaranteed, I doubt it can really even be advertised unless the helmet is specifically tested to higher standards. Also the minimum standards exist for a reason, if a helmet meets them then it's safe to say it's a decent helmet.
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>>1043589
>He has a point
No he doesn't.
>anything above that benchmark can't really be guaranteed
Yes it can. What the fuck do you think independent testing and product development is, you raging retard?
>advertised
Yes you can. You can make any claim you want as long as it's true. You can make claims well outside _any_ standard. You can't advertise it as meeting a standard it hasn't been tested to, but not all things are covered by standards and not being tested for a standard doesn't mean you can claim it meets the stated criteria without referencing the standard.
>Also the minimum standards exist for a reason
Yes. It's easy to test for and a lot of helmets met it.
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>>1043591
How about next time you read my post more carefully before getting your panties in a bunch.

> I doubt it can really even be advertised unless the helmet is specifically tested to higher standards
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>>1043571
>Don't they have smaller chainrings?, it should be easier with that gear range.

I was thinking more in the descent, as I have read that cx bikes tend to be less performant than road bikes? Not that I would go steamrolling down the mountain, but I wouldn't like to be overmatched with baggage and all
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>>1043591
There's no Snell for bicycle helmets. BMX helmets are probably safer because of the hard shell, and downhill helmets give face protection, but that's about it unless you have MIPS.
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>>1043589
Here's a helmet test:
http://www.dn.se/Documents/cykelhjalm_2016.pdf

I realise it's in swedish, but transmitted G-force from a straight blow at +50°C and -20°C are the two horizontal field just below where it says 'Utvalda mätvärden'.
Notice how the transmitted impact force varies wildly, with the worst transmitting more than 200 G, and the best 126 G.
The next four fields are stretching of brain tissue and risk of mTBI, first for sideways- and last front impact.

All these meet your famed minimum criteria. Yet they offer vastly different protection. You're a dumbass. Stop spreading this misinformation.
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>>1043593
You were ambiguous and I specifically addressed that. Yes, you can advertise features. No you can't advertise meeting a standard you haven't been tested for.
Now read >>1043597 and eat a bag of dicks.

That goes for >>1043595 (You) too.
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>>1043597
Are you illiterate?

> I doubt it can really even be advertised UNLESS the helmet is specifically tested to higher standards

Read it again. I said what you are saying, you just seemed to stop reading that sentence half way through.

>>1043598
>You were ambiguous
No I wasn't. If a helmet is tested to a specific standard then anything the manufacturer says about the helmet that is above that standard is meaningless. For it to have any meaning it needs to be tested to higher standards.
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>>1043599
>Are you illiterate?
I could as the same thing.
>No I wasn't.
Yes you were. See the 'it' in the sentence you wrote. What is 'it'? That's ambiguity. If it is 'we meet standard X' then no, 'it' can't be advertised unless tested and certified for. If 'it' is a guarantee of a certain level of protection or a specific feature, then _of_fucking_course_ 'it' can be advertised.
>If a helmet is tested to a specific standard then anything the manufacturer says about the helmet that is above that standard is meaningless.
Of course it isn't you imbecile. The physical properties of an object is not hinged on being certified to a standard or not. A given helmet will perform just as well (or not) before being certified as before.

Do you even logic?
Did you even read the test?
Did you wear a helmet when the midwife dropped you?
>>
What saddle would be recommended for a road bike?
Mix of touring, commuting and Crits.
I need to get it from Amazon to use up some vouchers.
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>>1043602
Approved by me. And Tom Boonen. But more importantly me.
https://www.amazon.com/SELLE-MARCO-Regal-Leather-Saddle/dp/B0026H15MM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1485210480&sr=8-3&keywords=san+marco+regal
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>>1043601
>Yes you were. See the 'it' in the sentence you wrote. What is 'it'?
I already said earlier in that sentence
>anything above that benchmark
Let's say the benchmark certifies that the helmet can take 2 freefalls from 8 ft (just some random bullshit example), if the manufacturer says it can do anything more than that then it's meaningless.

>The physical properties of an object is not hinged on being certified to a standard or not
But the guarantee that it actually has that properties does rely on it being tested to those standards.

Take IP ratings for example, saying something can survive 2m underwater for 30 minutes doesn't mean anything if it only has a rating for 1m for 30 minutes. It may just be a flatout lie or it could very well be able to survive that, but unless it's actually tested and rated to be able to do so then you can't say it can do it.
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>>1043607
>I already said earlier in that sentence
No, that was a previous sentence and the context for the second one was ambiguous. I would ask if you were literate, but that seems to be the least of your problems. You were a bit imprecise, and I provided two answers covering both bases. Deal with it.
>But the guarantee that it actually has that properties does rely on it being tested to those standards.
No, no it doesn't. It relies on them being tested. There doesn't have to be a standard. There doesn't even have to be an external test if you trust the manufacturers testing.
And none of this means products can't differ in areas where they _haven't_ been tested. By anyone. There is no basis for the provably wrong assertion that two helmets that meet the same standard test minimum criteria perform the same.

You have been provided a test proving as much. Now fuck right off.
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>>1043595
>There's no Snell for bicycle helmets

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/helmets.html#history

>Standards and test methods for bicycle helmets have been set (in the USA) by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI), the Snell Memorial Foundation, the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) and currently, the United States Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snell_Memorial_Foundation#Standards

>Standards
>B-95 Bicycle helmets
>B-95C Children's bicycle helmets

>Safety

>Snell Standards significantly surpass those set by the United States Department of Transportation (DOT), the American National Standards Institute (ANSI), ASTM International (ASTM) and the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission's 16 CFR Part 1203.[citation needed]
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>>1043609
Dude, learn to fucking read. It was the same damn sentence.
>anything above that benchmark can't really be guaranteed, I doubt it can really even be advertised unless the helmet is specifically tested to higher standards.

>No, no it doesn't. It relies on them being tested.
So, it doesn't rely on it being tested but it does rely on it being tested?

>There doesn't have to be a standard. There doesn't even have to be an external test if you trust the manufacturers testing.
Well sure, but why the fuck would anyone take the manufacturers word for it?

>provably wrong assertion that two helmets that meet the same standard test minimum criteria perform the same.
Up to that criteria they do indeed perform the same. No one has said that a helmet can't be better than that, what the original guy was saying is that they all meet a minimum standard so you can't get a bad helmet. I'm not saying that is true or not (and I can't be bothered to check) but that is the point he was trying to make.
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>>1043620
>Dude, learn to fucking read. It was the same damn sentence.
Oh, i mistook a comma for a period. Easy to do when the next letter is a capital. My most sincere oligopolies. It is, however, completely inconsequential.
>So, it doesn't rely on it being tested but it does rely on it being tested?
The guarantee, or foreknowledge if you will, of the property does. The property itself doesn't. How is this even hard for you?
>No one has said that a helmet can't be better than that
Yes, that's exactly what GP said. And no, meeting the very lowest 'impact flat on top of head' standard does not mean it's a good helmet. That standard is woefully inadequate.

He had no point, you have no point, you're both retarded and now please die so you stop spreading this nonsense.
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holy FUCK why I am so tired after commuting to and from work, it's only 9 miles each way for a total of 18 miles a day, but I'm fucking wiped out after doing it
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>>1043664
u need carbz b4 u leave work my son
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>21
>break leg almost 4 years ago
>want to be active and bike again
>want to start bmx
>never ridden bmx before
>always loved it

Is it too late to start?
It's too late to stop.

Pic related.
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I bought a 1991 Diamond Back DB Axis frame set in pretty worn condition.

dose anybody know where/if I could get some decals for it ?
I might want to respray the frame.

also regarding the spraying, this thing is actually intended to be my beater. the black painted is scuffed up, is there a way of polishing it or is it feasible to rough it up and respray ist black ?
I know spraypaint is soft and dosen't wear well , but the original black paint is underneath it so i whereever the new black paint get fucked up theres always the old black paint underneath.
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Should I be concerned about wheel theft in the UK? I was watching a bunch of videos on how to lock bikes and there's a lot of stuff I didn't even think about securing, like the seat.

What's the best combo of locks? a D lock and a chain/cable?
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>>1043719
>Should I be concerned about wheel theft in the UK?

Depends. If you live in Cambridge, Oxford or London, yes. If you live anywhere else, yes but less so. General rule of thumb is don't have the nicest looking bike on the rack and yes people do steal wheels and seats if they can't nick the whole thing. Personally, I would never leave a bicycle unattended in areas that aren't strictly for employees or other secure locations where no one will steal it, even just for 3-4 hours. I've done it a few times with a beater that I rode to a pub and was pleasantly surprised when my back was still locked and in one piece when I was done. Helps that I locked it in a place that had CCTV. Another thing, I've had a bike stolen before (I live in one of the three above mentioned cities) and police were able to find it, and the people that stole it too, so if someone does steal it try the cops before despairing totally.
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>>1043720
>I've done it a few times with a beater that I rode to a pub and was pleasantly surprised when my back was still locked and in one piece when I was done.

when my bike* I knew this would happen
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>>1043707
If you want exactly the same decals, you might have to make your own or do some digging. Sometimes manufacturers do offer them directly. You can get other diamondback decals from ebay, tho.

I'm not an expert, but standard procedure would be to just remove all the paint. I don't know if the new paint will stick to the old one, even if you rough it up. Some paints might react with others and start chipping (either directly or over time). You could try using a primer (compatible with your new paint) on the old paint first, but even then there is no guarantee the new paint won't react.
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>>1043720
Birmingham. I've been parking it in shit areas with just the fame and a back wheel lock for ages now and never really thought about it. I suppose there's not much demand for bog standard BMX size tires.
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>>1043562
here

Failing to find a cx bike with suffecient eyelets, anyone have any experience with racks mounted on the quick release or elsewhere?
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Can someone please tell me what the difference is between a $2000 bike and a $200 bike in real world terms?

I've seen people saying you shouldn't buy cheap stuff, but in what ways is a more expensive bike better? Do you go faster or something? Is it just less likely to break? How is it better?
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>>1043832
Lighter, better materials craftsmanship, better quality components. That's not say expensive=good automatically, but generally a bike you buy from a LBS is always going to be better than a bike you bought from Wal-Mart.
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>>1043832
Look at bike companies that make different ranges of the same bike, for instance the CANYON Endurance.

>AL 5.0 - 900 eur
Aluminum frame, shimano tiagra groupset, shimano wheelset
>AL 6.0 - 1100 eur
Shimano 105 instead of tiagra, Mavic aksium wheelset (superior riding experience to 5.0)
>AL 7.0 - 1350 eur
Shimano ultegra groupset instead of 105 (superior riding experience to 6.0)
>AL 7.0 DISC - 1700 eur
Better wheels, brakes replaced with disc brakes (better braking to regular 7.0)


So basically, there is a clear hierarchy between components in how good they are, efficiency, endurance, strength, ... and the more you pay the better part you get.
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>>1043832
Last week I bought a 1000 euro bike, previously had a really nice 400 one. The difference is pretty big. It's kinda lighter, the frame is better made, the wheels spins with no effort and they are not even from a proper brand. And the biggest difference was the shifting, 105 is really really smooth compared to the 8spd microshift that I had on the other bike. Also I think I noticed less road buzz because of the new frame/carbon fork (previously had hi-ten fork).

I think the best cost-performance ratio for the average rider is about 1700-2000 euro, because in that price range you have really nice components. Paying more is for people who race, because you don't need a really expensive bike for riding for fun with friends or solo, durianrider shown that you can keep up with a cheap and reliable bike on groups with expensive bikes.
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is it normal to oversteer when you slam the brakes on a city hybrid?
i got my first non-mountain bike earlier and it almost got me killed
thinner tires=less traction?
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>>1043854
Turn, or brake, not both. If you insist on doing both at the same time, take it easy on one or the other.
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>>1043854

I've never had a good time riding a flat bar road hybrid

Drop bars keep you low and your hands in a better spot so things like this aren't an issue ergonomically
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>>1043832

It's a world of difference. My dad gave me his old cannondale and I realized bikes are actually fun, not heavy slow nightmare rides with no brake power

A nice set of wheels will blue your mind. You feel like you are flying when you shave off 400g of rotational weight. Same when going from 30 to 120 tpi tires


Same story with leather saddle, carbon forks, disc or koolstops, etc

Every part matters. You don't need to break the bank either. I just bought velocity a23 find on 105 11sp for $190 shipped. They'll probably be my wheels fit the next ten years... $10/yr, wide as hell, lighter than I need. Components in the $200 wheelset / Tiagra zone are absurdly good deals imho
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>>1043854
That would probably happen on a mountain bike. They teach you in motorcycle safety classes to avoid braking during steering. You can do it, but then it usually requires conscious turn corrections.
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>>1043894
It's not an issue of ergonomics. If anything flat bars are going to be better in the event that you lose traction on the front wheel as you have greater steering control.
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>>1043950
>>1043950

New thread, this one is getting to the limit.
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>>1043898
>If anything flat bars are going to be better in the event that you lose traction on the front wheel as you have greater steering control.
Please think about what you're saying for at least a second. If you lose _traction_ it doesn't help that you have _steering_input_leverage_. They're not fucking related. Not that the latter is even true, but if it were it would still be fucking beside the point.

Jesus fuck.
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