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Schnittke listeners will be shot onsite

>>75074467
>Post your guilty pleasure.
Spanish baroque

>>75074556
this

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUVvt8FCHZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAD6kb99oj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90CnMeJDxIs

>>75074598
the anime-baroque poster strikes again

http://www.strawpoll.me/13884725/r

Debussy - 21
Ravel - 20
Scriabin - 12

Good job, Twilight brigade! I'm sure you'll get fucked by bats and dogs.

>>75074636
>>>Ravel - 25

>>75074636
Hi Richard.

Have fapped to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEGOihjqO9w

So I'm wanting to get into film scoring but have no experience arranging orchestral scores, can anyone point me in the right direction as to what I should be listening to for inspiration? I'm not quite sure what I want to do yet in terms of style as I'm pretty new to classical. I can already read music and play piano, is there anything else I should be prepared for?

>>75074725
this is good

best schubert piano sonatas?

>>75074556
>>75074593
fuck y'all

Schnittke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vokfi-kKy3Q

>>75074902
hello poly

>>75074725
>>75074868
this is really a gorgeous piece.
the music's not bad either *nudge nudge*

CPE Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr8J6x2uMZE

I listen to Schnittke a lot and I'll wreck your skull with an eightball in a sock if you're having a problem with that

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Schnittke more like SHITnittke lmao

Does anyone know a site like songkick (where you track "artists" and it tells you when they will be performing near you) but for classical composers? I listen to a lot of modern classical that doesn't get performed that often.

>>75075096
I've heard of websites that track everything-classical that is happening in a city, but nothing like that.

>>75074994
im v new to classical, give me some recs if you may

>>75075211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZazYFchLRI

>>75075096
I added all the local ensembles and concert halls into my bookmarks and check their schedule every now and then. Admittedly, the city I live in has like three halls...

>>75075243
This is why it's nice to have a weekly updated website indicating smaller events as well, often organized by students, that happen at other venues.

>>75075211
I'm listening to Ralph Vaughan Williams a lot atm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2m49yGY2LA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0sC4xbyT5c

if you travel back in time and see one opera or concert from dead composer, what would you pick?

>>75075449
mozzart
underrated

>>75075449
Monteverdi

>>75075449
I don't know, some renaissance composer? that would be magical

>>75074725
I preffer fapping to a juga wang interpretation

petzold

>>75075230
there was some orchestra out there who willingly played this garbage

what's that creepy performance with huge morbid dolls and spooky modernist music?

>>75076772
>garbage
more like cancer, amirite

John Cage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJP7QKHS4s

>>75077349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJlVZz3IJmY
theres an entire channel dedicated to covers of john cage's music.

>>75077591
He exaggerated that rubato, though.

>>75077349
>>75077591
>>75077619
Fuck off with your shitty "le 4'33" cover" meme, braindead morons

actual John Cage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26K9f8n6ymU

>>75079283
someone should have told him to stick with memes desu

>>75079331
spoken like a true brainlet. complain some more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHl3W4z0NPE

>>75076552
stop bullying petzold

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WolrNj05aqY
Viols are so fucking udnerrated.

There is so much >classical music that I don't know where to >in to

post comfy vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJluqMBk0ks

>>75080874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZHpbYkPWUo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STEEuhj2l2g

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Can somebody redpill me on chromaticism?

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>>75082150
>Can somebody redpill me on chromaticism?
What?

>>75082356
White and black pills are fine too.

>>75074875
idk but listen to his string quartet, death and the maiden (and phuck that pedo roman polanski's gay movie by the same name)

>>75075021
wut is the noise at 2 min. in. sounds lyk vidya

>>75076804
urrite

Please recommend some lithurgic choir or orchestrated pieces.
Requim was really beautiful

>>75074842
You should listen to film scores and arrangements and listen to composers' opinions on how they arrange them. This video by Robert Israel is pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Zzry3u56c
You should try to make sure the music can capture what is going on the screen.

>>75075449
Ernani

>>75083860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXLHGZpDhFk&list=PL4991435DC2E3575C

>>75083860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiZAE8rzFfo

>>75080511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_m788t0VXY

>>75074556
>onsite
did you mean "on sight"? or are you referring to a building site or job sight where you're working at?

Threatening to shoot people if they like a certain composer and having poor grammar shows your low intelligence.

>>75074927
I would never post Schnittke's "old style" crap. He's best when he's doing his own thing.

>>75084665
He obviously meant to drag Shitnittke listeners to a specific execution site made for Shitnittke listeners. What are you a fucking retard?

Debussy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p1HDpf48Tg

Opinion on Martin Haselböck?

>>75084701
fuck off poly

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who do people listen to atonal music? it's honestly, actually trash. of all the sub genres of classical it would honestly be the easiest for a computer to generate in a fashion that is indistinguishable from a human writer.

>>75085196
Because it makes them seem smart. For them it's all about the image, not about whether if the music has any actual merit or if they even enjoy listening to it.

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>mfw this thread

>>75085196
maybe for some artists like webern you could be right. nonetheless there are some legit gems like schoenberg's world famous pierrot lunaire

but i guess
>>75085468
is right. a lot of people just listen to it because of the intellectual complexity it poses, and think "wow extended technique is so kool" and that atonality is basically reduced to slapping the fingerboard with the strings or random pizzicatos, which it obviously isn't.

just listen to some of it and see if you like it. it's fine to not like certain periods in classical, i for instance really dislike a lot of the classical period repertoire

post arias

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spS4v6guHHc (underrated)

>>75085864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGtnHjcIH4M

Rate the following pianists on a 1-10 scale
Horowitz
Rubinstein
Kissin
Lang Lang
Yuja wang
Lisitsa
Pollini
Argerich
Barenboim
Richter

>>75086300
And zimmerman

>>75086300
Curzon > everyone on that list

>>75086300
Kissin - 11/10
Horowitz - 9/10
Yuji Wang - dat ass
Rubinstein - jew/10

>>75086358
>Kissin - 11/10
lmao

>>75086375
Kissin's performance of Liszt's La Campanella and Bach's "Chaconne" are fucking incredible.

>>75086429
he's a virtuoso, not an artist

>>75086300
>Yuja Wang
10 for her playing and body of work

>>75086300
DG/10

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>>75086614
>her playing and body of work
>body of work

I think you mean "her body"

>>75086778
He probably meant her body of work. Her body is masculine and it looks like she has A-cups.

>>75086778
that's exactly what i mean, my friend

>>75086803
prime argerich is better tho

>>75086798
she got dat ass tho

find a video where it zooms up behind her back.

would doggystyle while she plays Tchaikovsky sonata no. 1

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>>75086936
https://youtu.be/NGOIPoIxC-w

>>75086473
please provide an articulated distinction between the two that is not extremely reductionistic

>>75074636
Pick the superior piano composer
Ravel - 29 - 46%
Debussy - 21 - 33%
Scriabin - 13 - 21%

Ravel with his deserved position as GOAT of all composers, ever.

>>75086995
asian fashion is so weird

>>75087830
I seriously cannot get into Debussy, aside from Arabesque No. 1

The theme to Claire de Lune annoys the hell out of me, and everything else I hear by him is extremely boring. I appreciate his obviously unique and brilliant use of melody, but somebody needs to show me some of his better stuff.

Scriabin is one of my favorite composers though. Totally ahead of his time, and such a unique ear for melody. Some of his stuff kinda sounds metal. I actually just filmed a classical guitar video for one of his miniature preludes the other day.

What's a good piece by Ravel?

You guys ever heard of Edward Mcdowell? I just found him today.

He wrote a suite called "Sea pieces" for piano. They're really cool, kinda modern-ish sounding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twiC5yd-jBM

>>75087972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_36x1_LKgg

>>75088014
This was pretty cool, but I would have to be in the right mood to listen to it.

>>75087972
https://youtu.be/ieRQyyPowH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJJiUeBx-IM

>>75088528
The Ravel stuff was okay, I didn't really like the Debussy stuff though.

I wish he had more pieces like Arabesque no. 1. I don't like when he kinda drifts around soundscapes, I like when he has clear melodies that get stuck in your head.

I've been enjoying Scarletti recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtj0YJZAidU

>>75087972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqXwzUW_fhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPHSHZssOLs

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Sometimes I listen to popular music

What's a classical piece you can't stand?

>>75088844
that damn verdi aria from rigoletto

>>75088844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Stu7h7Qup8

>>75088844
I really cannot stand Mozart. Maybe because I associate his music with pleb-tier shit like hollywood movie scenes and commercials or something, but all of it makes me kind of sick to my stomach.

Claire De Lune also annoys the shit out of me. Right when I hear those intro chords I get irritated

Some of Heitor Villa Lobos' preludes are annoying as fuck too, but every classical guitarist plays them.

Also this piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEfFbuT3I6A&list=PLD15AF3F721D9841B

That fucking theme is so annoying. I like that middle part that kinda sounds egyptian, but holy shit that stupid pedal-note shit walking up and down a minor scale for the theme.

>>75088907
>I really cannot stand Mozart
FURTHER

PROOF

>>75088858
Holy fucking shit I forgot about this piece of shit right here.

80% of Philip Glasses compositions are absolutely dogshit. I sat down and tried listening to some of his albums start to finish, so fucking bad. He will seriously repeat one section like 40 times.

Some of his etudes are absolutely sick as fuck though. Especially this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhCluN4ZAKo

>>75088932
The only time I've really, truly enjoyed Philip Glass' music was when I saw the film "Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters" (1985), that soundtrack is really good, even out of context.

>>75088793
Reverie was okay, but I didn't like that Ravel piece.

I guess I'm just not a big fan of either of them. I don't understand how somebody could write something as huge and exciting as Arabesque no. 1 and then write a ton of music that sounds nothing like it

>>75088958
Checking it out right now

This is kinda cool, but I swear Philip Glass is a fucking meme. He is like the musical equivelent of that weirdo photographer who takes generic-looking photos of celebrities in his New York apartment and then sexually assaults them afterwards or whatever

A guy that everybody claims is cool/good, but nobody can really explain why.

>>75089047
I really do not like his music other than that specific soundtrack.

Maybe because it's a bit more expansive than the rest of his oeuvre.

>>75089059
Yeah he does some cool stuff on this, it probably looks fucking sweet as a movie soundtrack. Listening to Runaway Horses right now and it's cool.

This guy is the asian equivelant of Philip Glass. Much better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tKfYwc4zxA

>>75088992
Debussy wrote a ton of huge and exciting music in Images, but you probably wouldn't like it given your track record. Ravel too in both his Miroirs and Gaspard.

But yeah Arabesque No. 1 probably has his most delicate and crystalline clear melody. Reverie was the closest I could think of to it.

>>75089109
>Images
Preludes too, but same caveat

>>75089109
Listening to Images right now, I like this better. Which one is the best?

>>75089126
What's his best Prelude?

>>75089134
first one on Images and La cathedral engloutie are my favorites. You might like Girl with the Flaxen Hair idk

>>75089134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mVW8tgGY_w

>Guilty pleasure
Probably anything that was done before the 20th century. Everything pre-20th century sounds so primitive, simple, and overly formulaic compared to the vast bursts of creativity, uniqueness, and variety that entails post-20th century stuff.

>>75089295
good thing mozart is still living or else I would have had to call the fptmiu police on you

>>75089295
gay

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>3 notes melody, then inverted in the same rhythm
>theme played on a high register, then transposed on a middle one than a low one
>lots of repetitions

>>75082150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt2zubHcER4

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whats the difference between stretto and canon?

>>75089529
and here more about diatonic containment of chromaticism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCP58BigEfw

I'm a stickler for audio quality. What are some of the best produced/mastered recordings you guys know of? I'll listen to pretty much anything.

>>75089688
Mercury Living Presence recordings will always be the GOAT in my heart.

>>75074842
How strong is your music theory? I ask because orchestration is something that is usually only approached when someone is years into rigorous music theory study. That being said Schoenberg and Berlioz wrote really good books on orchestration.

>>75089688
was always a bit fan of Chicago's live broadcasting in the 60s/early 70s.

https://f.lewd.se/PXjoSF_02-MahlerSinfonie%233%28Martinon%29.flac

very wide dynamic range and a good natural balance

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>welcome to /classical/

>>75090038
me on the right

>>75088958
His soundtracks in general are pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqc5JdHzmDA

>>75090038
>no badly drawn mozart pic
further

>>75090038
>no petzold
baka

>>75090175
>>75090195
then draw. nobody stops you

>>75089529
Love Bernstein lectures

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>>75090234
i drew mozart with my eyes closed

>>75090310
you could probably sell this to a modern art museum for a million bux

>>75090310
patrish style

>>75089538
a canon is a form where the melody is passed around the voices at different octaves.

Stretto is a smaller element of imitative forms like canon and fugue, where a new voice enters before the old voice has finished exposing all its material. Canons often have stretto, as do fugues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(music)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretto

>>75090355
poly, rec whimsical music

Krzyszstof Penderecki - Kosmogonia

What should I be feeling when listening to this? I first heard it when tripping and fell in love. I just feel like I'm in a black void while my mind is in an Alice in wonderland type environment getting yelled at and spooked by poltergeists.

>>75090529
like you're divorcing an italian lawyer with powerful connections

>>75090195
Petzold's beauty is too much to be captured in visual art. To draw him is heresy.

Can I join an orchestra at 22 with no knowledge of music theory or any instruments or is it too late

>>75090588
you're the next beethoven, believe it

>>75090601
Well 23 in a month and I'm a heavy benzo addict trying to get clean. What instrument should I pick up? I was thinking violin but I really want a piano I just can't fit it anywhere.

>>75090623
the trombone

>>75090588
it's hopeless for a professional orchestra however you could probably get into a community one

>>75090641
should I just kill myself? how?

>>75075449
WAGNER

>>75090355
but what does canon contain that isnt already covered by stretto definition?

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which composition is best to reconstruct western tradition as completely as possible after a nuclear winter?

>>75090819
Stretto happens in rapid succession and the following voices do not necessarily need to follow the first line after the subject has been stated. Canons have the other parts follow the first line exactly by definition and also entrances may appear several measures later

>>75090588
If you seriously want to and have enough dedication and skill you can start at any age.

>>75090856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN10ch3vHvo

>>75090623
Oh, if you don't even know what instrument you want to play then you're fucked. You should probably go for piano because you mentioned it though.

>>75090885
this
>>75090588
buy your euphonium asap

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>>75090856
Penderecki's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima

>>75090819
A canon is a larger scale piece or section of a piece, usually with multiple voices stating the theme at various pitches, as well as episodes that link material together, whereas stretto is just the name for a melody overlapping itself, its a description of a much smaller element of music. Like verb vs paragraph. Stretto seems to be used more for fugues, as cannons often exist in constant stretto.

>>75090489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofciLQT2EmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjjSA43wMVI

>>75090993
thanks

>>75090856
don't reconstruct it you little shits
start something new

>>75091497
>trying to form a community around atonal homosexual balett in mad max world
good luck

>>75091497
Good post

>>75091527
>atonal homosexual balett
well, that's what your society will be like, not mine
guess why, because you're a faggot

>>75091561
i trust the power of music which blossomed among ruins of 30 years war, the ideal choice of people looking for meaning and community. it will be also easy to purge decadent progressivists because of mad max mindset.

>>75091527
>a community formed around atonal homosexual balett in mad max world
Sign me up desu

Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVdxfvw9fRs

>>75083860
https://youtu.be/paAb3XlP5ME

favourite Sibelius symphony or piece?

mine is symphony 2

Stravinsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pj1WeJWE-8

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>>75092133

>>75092403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mBJlH0jfz8

Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S63HpAmCt0

I like normie classical music. Danse Macabre, Mozart's Requiem, The Planets, Ginastera's danzas, MIKUrokosmos (https://soundcloud.com/fomalhaut-3/mikurocosmos-69).

Basically stuff with lots of repetition.
What's some cool normie classical music?

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Can someone please explain this weirdo Schoenberg to me? I watched some videos to try to understand him and now I'm only more confused. His music is supposed to be different, fresh, and even genius by some people's view, but others are smack talking him like he is some uneducated kindergartener. His music sounds so weird and I don't understand please help.

>>75093909
>Basically stuff with lots of repetition.
You'll enjoy Steve Reich, Harold Budd, Terry Riley, Philip Glass, Arvo Part and Gavin Bryars

Where do I start with Eötvös? He's playing a concert near me soon, worth going?

>>75094209
fuck off

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>>75094337
What, what did I say?

Guys, how do you download your classicals?
I don't torrent in public trackers because im a pussy.

>>75094378
You dared to speak ill of Schoneberg (underrated).

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>>75094209
Read this.

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You people hate Rachmaninoff but I think his sonatas are great.
Am I a pleb?

>>75094613
Yes

>>75094613
>You people hate Rachmaninoff
>/classical/ is all one guy

>>75094597
Heb je daar een downloadlink voor?

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>playing monohand
compositions for this?

>>75092403
cant argue with you there - love that one!

>>75094869
libgen.io

>"perfect symphonies don't exi-"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDiYrMLGnZc
*blocks your path*

>>75092403
His Symphony No. 4, it's beautiful and contemplative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGbwKdcR6No

>>75092403
#5 ma nigga

>>75095132
godowsky did some crazy shit for one hand based off of Chopin

>>75095686
was he also one-handed or just as a challenge?

>>75092403
Kullervo

Mozart >>>>>> Schoenberg

>>75096051
hardly a controversial statement since Mozart is by far the best composer who ever lived

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>>75096092
Hold your horses there boyo

>schoenberg
a flushing toilet has more talent then this quack

>>75075096
yes, bachtrack.com
great site. i use to to find performances of composers and pieces that i like.

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>>75094209
>others are smack talking him like he is some uneducated kindergartener.
You can safely discard those people's opinions. I know classical musicians who don't enjoy Schönberg and other atonal stuff, but none of them would say something like this. His music is based on a lot of serious theory and nobody with any actual knowledge would casually shit on probably the most important 20th century composer.
I am personally not very familiar with his work, but his early "Verklärte Nacht" sextet (Hollywood String Quartet performance was approved by the composer) is just extremely passionate, most people should be able to connect with it. I also heard excerpts from "Erwartung", which is clearly supposed to sound disturbing and ugly, and "Pierrot Lunaire", which is pretty funny and bizarre. He is sometimes classified as an expressionist composer, and the expressionist aesthetic is basically romanticism (both of them have traces of baroque) in the context of the alienating and ugly modern world. Romanticism expected emotional expression rather than adherence to harmonious and elegant classicist principles, and expressionism is exactly that, just taken to an extreme. And Schönberg literally considered himself a romanticist composer.

(When I mention an art period I mean its totality in all art forms, not just music.)

>>75094397
rutracker, blogs and [spoiler]buying it legally[/spoiler]

Bellini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sUKzsoVQ0U

Herrmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8UgFDV0D28

seeing non-pianists talk about pianists and piano music is so fucking infuriating

anyone else know that feel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zop26oeIeGc

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>>75096092
wowowow wait up

Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsodies are the worst pieces of Romantic music I've heard. I can't believe that they used to be hits.

>>75094209
>others are smack talking him like he is some uneducated kindergartner
Anyone who talks smack about Schoenberg IS an uneducated kindergartener.

Kindergartners don't write books on tonal harmony or fundamentals of composition, or come up with entirely new ways to compose music.
Schoenberg was a very smart guy and was perfectly capable of writing in the late romantic style. Its just that at that time people felt like everything in the late romantic style had been done. Music was becoming so chromatic that it started to break down, so he made a system for composers to work with - based on chromaticism.

Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br7aY311Xr8&list=PLUim0aOs4aw5EFwhtkPiaVuwfvUYNl3a3

>>75098799
yeah at some point they sound like cabaret music
but his contemporaries considered it "high art"
it just shows how delusional 19th century's audiences were

>>75098915
By the way his book on Harmony is laughable, and not a proper pedagological tool. At this point people read him just to fish for new Schoenberg's quotes.

petzold

petz old

pe tzold

pet z old

Post miniatures.

where to find conservative young musicians?

>>75100563
religious communities in east asia

what's the coolest voice you've ever heard?

>>75101091
i would go gay for Lorenz in his prime

>>75101091
Scholl, hands down.

>>75101091
There's a bit in the Vickers Gobbi Otello where Gobbi floats these "high" Es when he's trying to insinuate stuff to Otello and it never fails to amaze me.

b e e t h o v e n
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVABRzniCIQ

>>75101091
Simon Keenlyside

>>75101091
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL26nIGs2C4

>>75090310
Like a filthy Jew, a depiction of Mozart with even 99% of the features removed can still be recognized yards away.

>>75090038
glass's nose is a dolphin

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lfnbG3XCxM
>meant to be background music for banquets
>better than half the shit out there
Handelcucks on suicide watch.

>>75102648
baroqanime poster at it again. good shit, kid.

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Now that Youtube has full albums uploaded at Opus 160kb/s, it's super easy to find almost anything.

Here's what I do now:

>Follow a reviewer or seek out reviews on Amazon or somewhere for an album you're interested in

>Search Youtube for the artist, filter by Channel, select the one that says X - Topic

>Click Albums

>Bam, you've got CDs and full fucking boxsets arranged in playlists automatically

I don't even know why people bother with Spotify or radio anymore. It's especially great if you're browsing different performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQdudICa-88&list=PLZj4RadToGJgXcTBFVabzF2bRFxsut5ow

>>75097462
no but as a non-pianist I go out of my way to talk pretentiously about pianists and piano music just to piss off people like you. I use adjectives like "Dionysian" in my pseudo-analyses to sound like every garbage ass music reviewer (btw, all of them are garbage and woodchipper-worthy).

>>75097462
Yeah it's like watching pianists talk about Bach this Scarlatti that as if they knew jack shit about them when they can't even play their music on the correct instrument.

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>>75096497
>s-berg
>probably the most important 20th century composer

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw-zU4c6J48

>>75096497
>>75103080
>be Shitberg
>get cucked i.e. the fetish for intellectuals™
>write a piece of music about it
>mentally circlejerks himself over how deep it is
>retarded kids eat it up
You cannot make this shit up lmfao

>>75095722
idk but Wittgenstein's brother was one-handed and a pianist. I heard he got it bitten off by a wild Tractatus.

>>75095475
Anyone who says Bruckner is boring is stupid and lacks the patience to appreciate a true master at work.

>>75098967
Schoenberg's harmony is the same as Spivak's calculus, Rudin's analysis or Hartshorne's algebraic geometry: not for brainlets.

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>he thinks irrelevant namedropping makes him look smart or his music tastes not shit
People like this don't actually exist do they? We're fucked as a species.

>>75089500
when ya sick of all those other imitators, don't let the only real one [Ravel] intimidate chuh-uh-uh-uh

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>>75102970
>7 minutes
You hadn't even gotten to the good movement faggot.

>>75103405
>implying it was the first time I'd ever listened to it

>>75103138
>>be Shitberg
>>get cucked i.e. the fetish for intellectuals™
>>write a piece of music about it
please elaborate sir

>>75103516
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkl%C3%A4rte_Nacht#The_poem

>>75094209
Schoenberg's 12 tone compositions are an attempt to limit the number of possible intervallic motives and to derive harmony and melodic content from the same pool (a common procedure in all post-tonal music). the twelve-tone system is best conceived as a formalization of the complex motivic-thematic writing of the second viennese school, which is always imbued by polyphonic concerns. when pitches of the tone row are used simultaneously, the order becomes obscured. that is at one what makes it incomplete as a system (compared to other compositional systems like perle's, where the harmonic dimension is clearly order) and what affords the composer the freedom to focus on particular melodic elements of the row, by stowing away parts of it in vertical harmonies. freer manipulations are also common, Schoenberg often used only part of his rows (consider the beginning of the piano concerto's slow movement, which sounds quite tonal because of that).

>>75103516
He's referring to Verklärte Nacht

>>75096051
But which one is more underrated?

>>75103532
>>75103533
Thanks.
You guys posted at the same second. First time I've seen two consecutive #'d posts.

>>75103533
You sound like you know yr stuff re Schoenberg. What is yr fav piece by him?

>>75103624
Verklärte Nacht

>>75103138
didn't he go on to disown the text or something like that? am i thinking of another piece?

>>75103624
Actually it's just a copy-pasta from an old infodump by a Schoenberg fan. He explained it way better than I could so I just reposted it.

My favorite piece is probably his Chamber Symphony, weirdly enough. Moses und Aron is quite good as well, but it's frighteningly intense and difficult to parse so I don't listen to it very often.

>>75103639
In his text accompanying the Hollywood Quartet's release of the work, he basically said that the poem doesn't really matter and that the work can be viewed entirely exclusive from it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tW1rsqLaEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2PF7AC2hI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79etYWWA3r4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnqc00AM5PY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q3XubEnyqU
>be self-taught
>still the best fucking thing to happen to German-English baroque music
How can that piece of trash Handel even compete?

>>75103888
did he graduate law school?

>>75103975
Yeah I personally gave him the parchment.

>>75103990
imagining giving up a career in law to be a musician at that time
brave dude

>>75104018
*imagine

>>75104031
It's called not letting your dreams be dreams.

thoughts on music related
https://youtu.be/Lrb0dHKJBR4

>>75104471
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfQmitWzuTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE9I9N2DfDk

>>75104624
Sounds like some gay John Zorn shit. Fucking terrible.

Malotte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP8B8G7NmYk

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Hello, /classical/. I care not for the lilting, merry tunes of the flute, harp or bassoon. Only the dark majesty of the great pipe organ grants my soul the peace in gloom it desires. I already have all the organ works of Johann Sebastian Bach, but if there are others who play the organ as grand and dark as he, I would ask the boon of knowing their names, and what the best pieces for organ they composed were.

I am currently listening to BWV 582 - Passacaglia c-moll / C minor if anyone wants to hear it. It is a heavy piece of doom and beauty.
https://youtu.be/Ie52xH8V2L4

>>75105561
Hungry transylvanians gtfo

>>75105561
I'd check out Petzold if you haven't already

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>there's a recording of Hindemith conducting Monteverdi's L'Orfeo
Is it any good, does anyone know?

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>>75105561
Froberger.

>>75103624
The 5 pieces for orchestra are excellent

>>75074467
>Debussy. There is an accompanying chart, available on request.

any nibbas got that chart?

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>>75106390
did someone say Monteverdi? Can anyone rec stuff similar to these two? Holy fuck they give me the butterflies in muh stomach.
https://youtu.be/LxcMZl6YwNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6tJWY2Vaz4

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Let's put a sprinkle of Wagner, then we're done


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-KayEaK-es

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-qoaioG2UA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXh5JprKqiU

>>75080874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw53VrbI4l0

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i have all these ideas for making a long piece for a cello ensemble plus percussion and voice. but i dont know shit about composition or how to structure a symphony or any piece in fact, where do i start?

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real nibbuh hours who up!? beethoven is the GOAT, with literally no close second.

>>75106974
Read Schoenberg's "Fundamentals of Musical Composition"

>>75106974
La biblioteca mi amigo... ¡Arriba, arriba! ¡Ándale, ándale!

>>75106974
read music until you forget how to use words

Just in case you want to hear what a real pianist sounds like here are my top three recomendations:

Arturo Bennedetti Michelangeli
Alicia de Larrocha
Cyprien Katsaris

None of that Kissin crap.

>>75107246
What about Keith Jarrett?

Amazing improvising, not into his classical performance.
Andre Previn was another great who played both classical and jazz.
Concerning jazz I'd go for Oscar Peterson, Sun Ra, Bill fucking Evans, Chick Corea, Keith Jarret, there is this dude who played with flugelhornist Dmithry Matheny who also rocks, name's Darrel Grant. damn so many good ones

>>75107553
Trifonov?

>>75095132
well there was the ravel concerto dedicated to wittgenstein but im assuming you know that from your picture.

>>75107587
Trifonov is a virtuoso no doubt, but doesn't posses the artistry that makes other pianists like Gould unique.

Carter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94LRaMC5qz4

>>75098966
liszt had mostly bad reviews in his time.
wagner, berlioz and liszt formed a collective to counterbalance all the bad feedback.

Pärt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eseUe93oAUg

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Let's finish this thread off with the greatest virtuoso of our time

>>75108018
there were remnants of nobility among critics
but the crowds just didn't care anymore

>>75108497
i think you conflate enthusiasm for liszt as pianist with the reaction to his OC

>>75108535
really? and Wagnerism wasn't a thing?

>>75108555
wagner struggled, there was no sustained popular enthusiasm until bayreuth became one of the symbols of german unification.

>>75102648
Telemann is the Satie of the 18th century; Handel the Debussy.

>>75108783
yup, and thus Wagnerism emerged
unlike anything before, it wasn't aristocratic pastime, but a totally new bourgeois musical consciousness which depended on crowds of lower classes

>>75108862
Nope, Couperin is the Debussy of the 18th century, this is the scientific objective fact.

>>75105561
You are a gay edgelord, but you should check out Reubke's sonata in c minor "Psalm 94".

OFFICIAL Most underrated composers list:

1. Mozart
LARGEST POWER GAP KNOWN TO MAN
2. tie between Schoenberg and Monteverdi
3. Me
4. J.C. Bach
5. Debussy

>>75109421
interesting

>>75105561
Buxtehude

pet-

STOP

>>75109421
put scarlatti on that list

Grieg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLDIJnEH7K0

Grieg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjRZTcrJFRA

Strauss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZM2wzEuXYU

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>>75106556

Stockhausen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVz0u5z3L9s

>>75109421
>Me
Fucking Poly, go to eat a bag of dicks

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>>75112510
>tone poem

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hello /mu/, i'm 19 yo and been playing classical piano for about 12 years. Everyone told me since i was a kid that i've got a very good musical ear and i can easily play shit just by hearing it (also very good at dicte). Although i feel like i haven't learned how to properly practice a piece yet. My teacher keeps saying it and its true. How do You practice for a classical piece?

>>75108479
fuck you

>>75114050
http://www.pianopractice.org/book.pdf

>>75114163
thank you anon!

Haydn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTRexu5CIL8

>>75114318

>>75114318

>>75105561
S C H N I T T K E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NXoPG5hS-4