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>>74917878
>People like this listen to my favourite genre of music

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Did ELP ever release a record that wasn't polluted with filler? Their self titled has Lucky Man, Trilogy has From the Beginning, Tarkus has Tarkus, and Brain Salad Surgery has Karn Evil, but other than those stand out tracks, the rest is boring as shit to me. Why are they so talked about in prog?

>>74917878
ELP is the Donkey Kong 64 of bands, if you like the genre then you can appreciate the excess for the sake of excess

>>74917906
prog>math>post-hardcore>emo>anime
Not very surprising.

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>>74917906
Who the fuck else was going to listen to this virginal bullshit? lmao

>>74917882
>>74917906
It was just a joke. Talk about prog. I don't even like anime to be 100% honest.

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>>74918798
BSS is their only classic album where the other tracks didn't grow on me. Works I and II are the definition of filler though.

>>74918798
>Why are they so talked about in prog?
because they did the suite sidelong thing very well but other things terribly. Most people also think of them as among the worst of the 'big' prog bands like Yes, KC, Genesis, Floyd and all that because of how incredibly pretentious their lyrics are, and how they put sidelong suites on every album.

>>74919730
I find it kinda annoying that they're one of the bigger prog bands, when they lack the quality of some of the lesser known greats, like Gentle Giant for example, but retain their excess and complexity.

>>74918798
I think Trilogy is a pretty strong album besides Abaddon's Bolero
But yeah I agree with you on the other albums
They're talked about because they made some really good shit. When people listen to Tarkus they don't listen to Side B.

>>74921061
>lesser know greats
>Gentle Giant
what the fuck is wrong with you

>>74921563
>When people listen to Tarkus they don't listen to Side B
I do

>>74921737
What's wrong.

>>74917878
Crab isn't a tsundere you subhuman

>>74921563
>>74921856
I do as well.

>>74922443
Not that guy, but everyone who's into prog knows Gentle Giant

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>>74917878
What did you think of the new Leprous album?

>>74922509
Obviously, but GG is not as well known as the bigger bands like KC, ELP, and so on. At least that's what I've noticed.

>>74922612
I miss the energy they had in their earlier albums.
Malina isn't blowing me away like Coal and The Congregation did, but it is growing on me.

Feels like they are moving away from sounding like prog-metal and djent to being more like progressive indie-pop. I am not sure I like that..

>>74919730
Pretentious lyrics? The majority of their work is instrumental. And how exactly are few of their folk songs pretentious? Do you know who that term can be ascribed to in this moment? To manufactured pop stars whose committees decided it's time for them to go "dark".

>>74922855
>how did he lose six million jews

>>74922771
They basically sound like Agent Fresco now

>>74922651
Lurk more.

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JEREMY BENDER WAS A MAN OF LEISURE

>>74923893
he's not talking about /mu/ you retard

>>74922469
She's a self-described tsundere, but in fact is a borderline yandere. Hitagi is weird

>>74924279
Lurk IRL more.

>>74924427
he's also not talking about normies you dense faggot

>>74924285
yanderes are pretty hot

Rush are the patricians prog choice

>>74925472
lmao

>>74924456
then what the fuck is he talking about how inbreed retard???

>>74926471
take a wild fucking guess, buddy
>the only people who listen to music in the world are /mu/tants and normies

>>74923053
What?

>>74926538
dads? holy shit, just tell me where do you think GG is not as popular as King Crimson or ELP.

>>74917906
Lighten up you fucking loser

>>74926593
casual listeners retard
not everyone who listens to prog is a prog enthusiast

>>74926652
>casual listeners
GG is still as popular as KC or ELP when it comes to casual listeners

>>74926690
completely untrue
literally everyone knows karn evil, people know king crimson cause le kanye, and no one knows what the fuck gentle giant is.

>>74926712
>everyone knows karn evil
>people know king crimson cause le kanye
>no one knows what the fuck gentle giant is
you are deluded as fuck
each time for each different statement

>>74926690
both ELP and KC have multiple certified gold records, while GG have none.

>>74926788
Love Beach doesn't count as it's not a prog rock recording, and I will need some sources on King Crimson having multiple certified gold records.

>>74926826
>Love Beach doesn't count as it's not a prog rock recording
we're discussing the popularity of the band, it absolutely counts
I was wrong about KC having multiple gold records, but ITCOTCK got platinum and most of their albums charted higher than any GG album

>>74926690
I can't recall a single time a GG song played on the classic rock station

>>74926911
>we're discussing the popularity of the band, it absolutely counts
Still not "multiple", and Love Beach era ELP are a different thing from prog rock ELP.

>ITCOTCK got platinum
Yes
>most of their albums charted higher than any GG album
Not true. You got any sources on that?

>>74926916
I can and I don't even listen to the radio.

>>74926947
>Still not "multiple"
2 is multiple :^)
that's besides the point anyway, it's more than Gentle Giant have
>Love Beach era ELP are a different thing from prog rock ELP.
it's still ELP
>Not true. You got any sources on that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentle_Giant#Discography
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Crimson_discography

>>74926590
from the elp song the only way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPVgKAmaghI

>>74926987
>2 is multiple :^)
What's the second one?

>it's still ELP
Yet it's far from the claim the original poster was making, which included saying that "everybody knows Karn Evil 9 but not Gentle Giant"

>Not true. You got any sources on that?
It only says ITCOTCK charted higher, but everything else by them didn't chart.

>>74926987
>>74927077
Nevermind, just saw the US rankings. Still, GG were not that far behind from KC. Both used to chart around #50 to #150, which is pretty high/popular.

>>74926947
dude just get over it
dont get me wrong I love Gentle Giant as much as the next guy, but statistically Gentle Giant just isn't nearly as popular as ELP, King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, or fucking any other prog band. This shouldn't be news to you, you probably had to do a bit of searching/listening to the genre for a while before you discovered them.

also what kind of radio stations are you listening to that played Gentle Giant, cause I hear Karn Evil 9 1st Impression Pt. 2 all the time but never ONE Gentle Giant song

>>74927077
>Yet it's far from the claim the original poster was making
that wasnt the original poster
werent you the tripfag who called gentle giant pleb tier a few weeks ago?

>>74917906
prog is for fags

>>74927102
>GG were not that far behind from KC.
KC charted highly in multiple countries while GG barely managed to chart well in the US

>>74927077
>What's the second one?
Tarkus

>>74927116
>you probably had to do a bit of searching/listening to the genre for a while before you discovered them
Not really. I would always, always see them posted along with "ELP, King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, or fucking any other prog band"
I'm being dead serious here.
And judging from the chart rankings above, it makes sense. GG did chart relatively high.

>werent you the tripfag who called gentle giant pleb tier a few weeks ago?
Nope. I'm the one who calls Camel and Gryphon pleb-tier.

>>74927139
I will need some stats for that, because the GG wiki only includes US rankings (even though GG are from the UK).

>>74927156
wtf

>>74927194
>wtf
I'm just as surprised as you are, honestly

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Is Kid A prog?

>>74927497
No

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>>74927515
Ok, but how is Kid A not prog but this is?

>>74927515
avant "gorillaz is kraut rock is post rock is prog rock" math god of /mu/, everyone

>>74927582
this sounds nothing like Kid A

>>74927582
It's not either.

>>74927595
>gorillaz is kraut rock
Only one of their songs
>kraut rock is post rock
Yes, depending on which retarded definition of post rock you use.
>post rock is prog rock
No, unless you use the stupidest definition of prog rock.

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>>74927613
That's not the point.

>>74927640
Uhh, it literally is though?

>>74927672
Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source. Dark Side has nothing to do with Progressive Rock.

>>74927672
>That's not the point.
what is the point then?

>>74927711
The point is that nobody has any fucking idea what progressive rock even is and not even the tryhards in this shitty general can agree on a definition.

>>74927697
dont respond, he'll just respond saying their space rock
thats the problem with being a tripfag

but seriously, dark side is prog

>>74927697
Pink Floyd – The Dark Side Of The Moon
Genre:
Rock
Style:
Prog Rock
Year:
1973
(Discogs)
The Dark Side of the Moon
[Album976]
Artist Pink Floyd
Type Album
Released March 23, 1973
Recorded June 1972 - January 1973
RYM Rating 4.25 / 5.0 from 34,671 ratings
Ranked #1 for 1973, #2 overall
Genres Art Rock, Progressive Rock
Psychedelic Rock, Space Rock
(RYM)
are those better sources? they're both voted on by a significant community and not just some trip who jerks off to yowie

>>74927741
Dark Side is not Space Rock either.

>dark side is prog
It's seriously not.

>>74927790
Discogs is not trustworthy either when it comes to genres. In fact, it's even worse than Wikipedia. The closest there is to an accurate genre tagger is RateYourMusic, but even then they are wrong from time to time (Dark Side, Spiderland, Marquee Moon, etc are some classic examples of this).

>>74927736
oh
that's a good point actually

>>74927736
>The point is that nobody has any fucking idea what progressive rock even is
You might as well say that
>nobody has any fucking idea what rock even is
So....

>not even the tryhards in this shitty general can agree on a definition
I do though. I have already defined it in the past even.
>music musically influenced by The Nice's The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack and Moody Blues' Days of the Future Passed or similar and the music musically influenced by the music mentioned before etc

Here's some albums/songs
are they prog or not

Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Frank Zappa & The Mothers - Freak Out!
Radiohead - Kid A
The Velvet Underground - & Nico
Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance
King Crimson - Discipline
Can - Tago Mago
Naked City - s/t
Yes - 90125
Black Flag - The Process Of Weeding Out
Gorillaz - Do Ya Thing (Full Version)
Beatles - Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Ruins - Hyderomastgroningem
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Yr Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon
Comus - First Utterance
Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
Meshuggah - obZen
Voivod - Nothingface
Yowie - Cryptoology
Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
Swans - Soundtracks For The Blind
Slint - Spiderland
Monks - Black Monk Time
Index - Index [Black Album]
Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
Lou Reed - Metal Machine Music

>>74928025
Of those, I'd say Zappa and King Crimson are prog rock and Meshugguh is prog metal.

>>74928025
>Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
jazz fusion. some like to categorize the genre as being closely related to prog because of a lot of jazz influences in prog but i guess that depends on who you're asking.
>Frank Zappa & The Mothers - Freak Out!
proto-prog maybe?
>King Crimson - Discipline
i'd say yes
>Can - Tago Mago
krautrock is a offshoot of prog according to some, related in some ways according to others
>Beatles - Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
again, maybe proto-prog
>Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Yr Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven
i've heard people argue that post-rock is a sub genre of prog in the same way math rock is. again depends on who you ask
>Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon
psychedelic prog. definitely counts imo
>Comus - First Utterance
prog folk. again, definitely counts
>Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
prog pop. not rock
>Swans - Soundtracks For The Blind
>Slint - Spiderland
same thing as GY!BE

the rest i either haven't heard or it could be argued either way. again this is all just my opinion and i'm sure as fuck no expert

>>74925472
this, only plebs think rush is baby rock.

>>74927497
no, but TKOL and AMSP are prog

>>74928025
90125 maybe
Ruins maybe
Yowie maybe
the rest not

What was your point? That was certainly an interesting list and I want to see what you are aiming for.

>>74928165
>i'd say yes
It's New Wave.

>krautrock is a offshoot of prog
Absolutely wrong.

>related in some ways according to others
Yes, but calling kraut prog is problematic.

>psychedelic prog. definitely counts imo
Not prog

>prog pop. not rock
Not prog. And Beach Boys are rock anyways.

>i've heard people argue that post-rock is a sub genre of prog in the same way math rock is
Yes, but not the GYBE branch of post rock

>>74928396
Fuck off.

>>74928025
More detailed answer now

>Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Jazz Fusion.

>Frank Zappa & The Mothers - Freak Out!
It has some Krautrock tracks, but Krautrock is not Prog Rock.

>Radiohead - Kid A
It's Experimental Rock, but there is no Prog Rock.

>The Velvet Underground - & Nico
Experimental Rock. Heroin is a Post Rock precursor, but Post Rock is not Krautrock. European Son is Krautrock.

>Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance
I don't remember much from Modern Dance, but their earlier singles had Krautrock.

>King Crimson - Discipline
New Wave and Experimental Rock. Sheltering Sky was kind of Prog Rock at times, but that's it.

>Can - Tago Mago
Krautrock.

>Naked City - s/t
Some Brutal Prog tracks. Now, whether Brutal Prog counts as Prog Rock is arguable.

>Yes - 90125
More New Wave rooted, but some tracks probably had some Prog Rock (don't remember much from it though).

>Black Flag - The Process Of Weeding Out
Listened to it once, but don't remember anything from it.

>Gorillaz - Do Ya Thing (Full Version)
Krautrock.

>Beatles - Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
A Day in the Life has some similarities with Prog Rock, but it's still not a Prog Rock song.

>Ruins - Hyderomastgroningem
Brutal Prog.

>Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Yr Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven
I have no idea about Godspeed, they don't seem to be rooted in any other single specific genre.

>Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon
Rock with experimental tendencies.

>Comus - First Utterance
A weird mutation of Contemporary Folk.

>Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
Experimental Rock and Blues Rock.

>Meshuggah - obZen
Haven't listened to it.

>Voivod - Nothingface
Don't remember anything from it, but this one should be an interesting case.

>Yowie - Cryptoology
Brutal Prog

>Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
Pop Rock.

>Swans - Soundtracks For The Blind
Same as GYBE

>Monks - Black Monk Time
Garage Rock, with some Noise Rock and Experimental Rock bits.

cont.

>>74928025
>>74928830
>Index - Index [Black Album]
Haven't listened to it.

>Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
Don't remember anything from it.

>Lou Reed - Metal Machine Music
Not Rock. Probably Minimalism or Progressive Electronic (in the vein of Terry Riley's Rainbow) turning to Noise. Experimental.

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What does /mu/ think of Mike Oldfeild?

I just recently discovered him dispite have been listening to prog for several years. Like most prog bands he's got a lot of shitty stuff, but TB's and Ommadawn are god tier imo. His newest album was great too. I just feel like he really aught to be talked about a lot more in the progosphere than he is.

>>74928997
Mike Oldfield is great, one of the few actually essential progressive rock artists and rock artists in general.

>I just feel like he really aught to be talked about a lot more in the progosphere than he is
Nah, he gets shilled a lot around here.

>>74928997
I've heard Tubular Bells years ago and loved it, but never got around to hearing his other stuff. Should definitely get around to it.

rec me some good prog folk

>>74930451
Harmonium - Les cinq saisons

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>>74930451
it's kinda obscure but maybe you'll like it

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Is this prog?

>>74931309
that's my favourite album actually. it's why i asked for some more prog folk.

>>74931309
>jethro tull
>kinda obscure

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>>74930451
>>74931341

>>74927821
>>74927790
>>74927741
>>74927640
Then how would any of you classify PF discog? WYWH is undeniably prog, and Meddle and Obscured by Clouds is psych-prog so wouldn't it make sense to say that DSotM is prog since it sounds so similar to what was before and after it? If you listen to the live stuff then it sounds just like classic PF prog. Discount DSotM for not being prog enough can just lead to other albums like KC's Islands or Caravan's Waterloo Lily for being too jazzy.

>>74927821
>>74928494
>DSotM is not prog
>but 90125 is
>tripfag

>>74931380
i've heard this too. good shit

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>giving the tripfag attention
prog threads always derail because of this

>>74931339
No

>>74931425
>Then how would any of you classify PF discog?
I wouldn't. PF's discography is pretty diverse to be classified under a single genre, but if you forced me to pick something, I would say Psychedelic Rock.

>WYWH is undeniably prog, and Meddle and Obscured by Clouds is psych-prog so wouldn't it make sense to say that DSotM is prog since it sounds so similar to what was before and after it?
Dark Side doesn't really sound like the albums you mentioned (at least not the first two).

>Discount DSotM for not being prog enough can just lead to other albums like KC's Islands or Caravan's Waterloo Lily for being too jazzy.
Islands is border-line prog, so you are not entirely wrong. Haven't listened to that Caravan one though.

>>74931445
I said 90125 "maybe is", mostly because I haven't paid attention to anything other than Owner of a Lonely Heart.

>>74931475
>prog threads always derail because of this
Look at the positive side, without it, these threads would just die.

Give me suggestions for my next album cover spoof.

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>>74928025
>>74928830
>Voivod - Nothingface
People seem to agree on calling it progressive thrash.
It incorporates a ton of influences, though, so kinda hard to pin down.