/Prod/ - Production General

Discord plz

>>74358261
FYI this link takes you to the voip channel (i cant make invites for the text channels).

https://discord.gg/HutJ8Ey

>>74358320
why on earth are there 2 prod discords

>>74358408
dunno... im just linking the one that i was introduced to here a while ago.

can you link the other one?

>>74358424
naw got banned from it.

>>74358433
what do you mean by that

>>74358442
I mean I was banned from the other discord, I'm sure you can find a link in the /mu/ archives or something.

God damnit op, if you're going to be all enthusiastic about being the one to start the new thread at least link to the old one fag

>>74358481
OK
>>74315652

i figured regulars just searched the board for their general threads and they would see 2 /prod/s and figure it out.

>>74358451
but what did you do exactly?

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Hey guys.

For the past year, I've been quiet honing my skills and have soaked up as much knowledge as possible from threads such as these. Studying different theory pieces, production tips, and mixing handbooks.

I'm working on my first release right now, and just finished mixing and mastering my first track. I would be so happy if you guys could check it out and give me some honest feedback.

Thanks!

https://clyp.it/flp1415x

>>74358680
well rused motherfucker

>>74358594
I don't know

>>74358745
i think shit like discord always turn into cancer

Redpill me on rackmount gear

>>74358769
It depends on the rack. I was never fond of rack mount synths, but fx are better than pedals imo.

>>74358769
its a meme that needs to die. VSTs have eliminated the need for endless floor to ceiling racks of shit and a lot of them are unnecessarily bigger than they need to be.

atleast a lot of synth makers have gotten the message that the majority of studios are no longer purpose built rooms and table top modules are all you really need.

also a pain in the ass to work with when you have one thing that is only a few inches deep sandwiched between 2 other devices that take up the full depth.

https://clyp.it/mt00tfni
I wanna know if there's anything wrong with this. I'm very new so it sounds all right to me but I know it's far from perfect and I wanna know where to move on from here to keep improving.

Does anyone have any good trap drums vsts for Cubase?

>>74358832
You can buy a lot of good rack shit for cheap now.

>>74358927
>trap drums vsts for Cubase?
just go on rutracker and download drums and put them in groove agent

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>>74358969
thats all fine and dandy. point still stands that there is a lot of rackmount shit that shouldnt be rackmount.

>>74359030
If it has a decent user interface I don't see the problem. Desktop stuff, keyboards, etc. take up too much space.

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>>74358969
>>74359030
>>74358832
>>74358769
>>74359065
IMO companies should just make stuff that can fit in a eurorack (but with self contained power supplies and connections in the rear of the units).

>>74359088
That's kinda retarded.

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Anyone here use a Novation ultranova on Win10 (or other Novation gear for that matter)? My keyboard gives me a BSOD right after switching it on, every time. Then I get an error saying that "nvnusbaudio.sys" failed.

I tried to update the driver, but nothing changed. I can't even find them in Device Manager to delete them, but can when I look it up in CMD. Where the hell is the driver?

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>>74359065
i think a synth rack with angled shelves could do a better job (if more stuff was tabletop).
easier to install, rearrange, rewire, and work with.

>>74359122
how so? if all the stuff in that picture was standard rack mount you would need 23U at the minimum.
just put the ports on the back and away you go!

>>74358862
The base theme is very boring. I'm not really sure what you're trying to convey either. The two elements added at :50 also fuck up the flow, and sound harsh too, all the way up until 1:08.

I stopped listening around then, but those are simple points you should address first if you want to improve it.

how do you guys write chord progressions?

like do you start with a sequence of single notes and then add layers or do you go chord by chord?

>>74359287
do chord by chord and then build the melody off the chords

>>74359208
>I'm not really sure what you're trying to convey either
Lyrics are important in this song, what I have so far is background so it naturally sounds lacking. I'll keep what you said in mind.

>>74358862
agree with this guy >>74359208, the snare arrangement could be better.

also try to add some saturation to the piano.

>>74359287
I usually sing some meaningless crap and then fit the corresponding chords. Composing drunk is hella fun.

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Got inspired by latest Wen's EP
But i dunno if my track is shit or not.
https://clyp.it/h0euuzzh

is there some way to lock the ALT key in ableton (on OSX) so i can drag to copy notes with one hand while holding down keys on my midi controller with the other?

not really classically trained or well versed in theory so when my fucking around on my midi keyboard leads to something i kind of rely on muscle memory rather than just knowing what the hell im doing.

>>74359298
>>74359675
u mirin my shitty half decent sounding chords?
https://clyp.it/5m3y0tll

>>74359984
gay
>>74359947
i like it but the bass is a little too forward
>>74358862
drums are a bit wonky
>>74358680
kys

>>74359984
it is 4 seconds only you are a fag

>>74360011
im learning fucko.

>super basic blocks patch in reaktor
>32% cpu use
I think I need a new computer :(

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>add slight reverb to intro speech on purpose
>HURR THERES AN ECHO ON THE SOUND LERN TO EDIT t. youtube comments

fuck i hate doing this shit at times and mostly i hate it coz of the fucking audience

can we kill this selfie based culture so that people stop pretending their non-opinions matter? coz at this point it feels to me like they have no message and just want attention, fuck that

>>74359287
I just let me hands play the keys and once i stumble on something i like I'll flesh it out
something i like doing is stacking 5ths on both hands and moving them in different positions, left hand over the black keys, right hand over the white keys, and play with different shapes and distances apart, going in contrary and parallel motion and ultimately exploring the instrument.
also ending that kind of stacked 5ths on stack tritones sounds neat. like I'll end up on F#(2) C#(3) F(3) C(4).
over thinking this shit defeats the purpose of music anyway man. relax and practice

https://clyp.it/3xbdtdy4

thoughts on this idea?
i don't like that it pedals on g, i think it needs to go somewhere, either in that head or the next section. i don't know if I'll even use it.

>>74359287
It depends on what I'm starting with and what I need the chords for.
If I have a melody, some times I'll just layer those notes so I have chords instead of a melody (because if they both play at the same time it'd sound cheesy), but if I need to have them at the same time (like melody for lead and chords for pad, or melody for bass and chord for lead) then I'll make new chords from scratch to complement the rest of the elements while not being directly derived by them.

Another way is to start with a 3-note arpeggio that changes every bar or something, and then just make it into chords.

If you're starting from scratch without an idea and want to start with either melody or chord, I think chords are easier to turn into good melodies than vice versa, so I'd start with chords.
On a semi-related note, I think it's easier to make good melodies and chords out of drums than vice versa, so if the song you want to make has complex/intricate drum rhythms I'd start with them (but if it's a simple repeating pattern like a 4-to-the-floor or trap 808 you can add them later) because adding the drums changes the whole feel of the track, and if it's complex drums you end up composing melodies and chords "blindly" because you'll only be hearing them without the drums, therefore without knowing how they'll sound like at the end.

But that's just my opinion. I imagine everyone's brain works differently.

>>74360038
There will always be morons saying stupid shit about something they know nothing about.
Especially online.

We can only accept this and ignore them, as there's no point in wasting time and energy arguing.
Just nod respectfully toward them and try to cope as best as you can.

>>74360072
what is the maximum number of notes you can put in a chord before it just gets retarded?
do you leave an octave of space between both hands?
fyi i was stupid and bought a 25 key controller so i cant really get both hands in there with some chords. atm i use one finger on the left and whatever on the right.

>>74360038
what type of video was it? unless your video was dramatic or musical in nature or you are trying to be dramatic its just easier to listen to a dry voice if all you are doing is a tutorial or explaining something.

>>74360597
thats up to your ear. watch rick beato's videos on youtube and learn some stuff. get a better keyboard

>>74360038
>selfie based culture
lol what did you just watch fight club for the first time?

>>74359030
>mofx
True that is bulky, but those momentary buttons and and big knobs are great in a live setting

Is FM8 still the goto vst FM synth? Its pretty old, has nothing come new along lately?

>>74361130
shouldve decreased the width, increased the height, moved the ports to the top of the unit and made it a table top device since its the kind of thing people spend a lot of time jamming with.

>>74361230
Maybe if it came out today
In its day, it worked great in a dj coffin rack

What's a good music production community where you can discuss advanced concepts and ideas with other experienced producers?

Beside the subreddits.

>>74361169
For pure FM (well, it's actually phase modulation but it's practically the same thing), yeah, it's still up there. I don't think there's much else you can do with pure FM than what FM8 does.
I hear Bazille is supposed to be very good, but it has a pretty different approach and doesn't really replace FM8.

>>74358527
old one is in the archive now so it's still handy to link to it

Anybody have some idea on how Arca made the feedback "synth" he used on Piel?
It comes in at about 0:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1QSgdMPI5g

Would you have to use a physical amp and microphone setup to create the feedback (in which case, how would you control the level so it sustains at a reasonable volume?), then create a multisample of multiple recordings at various frequencies, or could you create it with a VST distortion plugin somehow?

>>74361925
I quite like watmm
I think you have to pay like 3 euros to register a new account nowadays tho

what adjustments this is missing to be a half decent master version?
https://55chan.org/b/src/1501913517401-1.ogg

this is the reference track btw (youtube quality a shit, i can upload a clear version to clyp if anyone wants it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBk1TBWvNYM

>>74361992
man fuck that album cover lol
I don't know how arca did it but have you tried just doing actual feedback? Put a distortion/waveshaper/compressor/amp modeler/whatever in the loop, and a very short delay to tune it.
You can also do similar stuff with a comb filter, which is basically just a very short delay, might be easier to tune with keytrack since it's regarded as a filter.

>>74361998
This?
https://forum.watmm.com

I'm a moneyless neet. Would it be worth it to find the money, somehow put them online, and buy the membership?

Any anon would have this new mixer presets from Shawdi P to send me? I'm no have money, and I really need this shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSm7b4z0skA

>>74362018
With actual feedback do you mean a monitor > microphone loop? Sounds dangerous.

why are reverb plugs so fucking expensive?
I've been thinking of just getting a second hand hardware reverb unit, do you think it's a good idea?

>>74362282
why you odnt just download valhala

>>74362321
I tried it a little, but I don't like how it sounds, I could get more satisfying results with ableton stock reverbs (which I don't like that much either).

>>74362392
do you have max for live? there is a convolution reverb included that is quite good

>>74362392
Have you tried the Fabfilter one?

>>74362392
The Waves H-Reverb is on sale today for $69, a decent price for what I think is a very clean sounding reverb with a lot of options.

>>74362420
>>74362420
thx, I will check it later

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>plugins that make a click when turned on
reeeeeee

>>74362452
do waves do the best plugins in every area?
>reverb
>analog console and analog stuff sim

>>74358187
>tfw you will never, ever, EVER have a studio like that

>>74362993
no
IMO the reverbs are unusable

>>74362993
No, far from it. They have some very good plugins but a lot of crap as well. I like the H-reverb because it's very clean to my ears but I'm not much of a fan of their other reverbs like RVerb.

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>tfw the old thread is closed and nobody downloaded my racks.

>>74362973
which ones? that's never happened to me

>>74363283
nobody downloads anyone's tracks, nerd

>>74362973
>plugin that doesn't let you play notes on the keyboard when its UI is open

Happens with my waves plugins.
Am I the only one?

>>74363286
valhala verbs and amplitube

>>74363300
I said racks not tracks.

In the other thread I made presets for Ableton's Audio Effect Racks that split the frequency spectrum into 2/3/4/5 bands using native EQs.

Here:
>>74337388
>>74337421

>>74363352
oh jesus lol you were THAT guy, i was barely following that conversation but it looked retarded from what i saw

>>74363312
dont know about amplitube, but valhalla verbs don't do that for me. do you have a shitty computer or buffer settings not set up right?

>>74363352
i downloaded it. it does not make sense.
>resonance

anybody here have any experience with "professional gaming chairs"? i've wanted something like an aeron for a while, but it's out of my price range and i noticed somebody selling "professional gaming chairs" in my area for like 1/3 of what i'd have to spend on an aeron. doesn't seem to have any bells ad whistles or stupid shit, just says that it's "ergonomically designed for long periods of sitting" and the amazon reviews seemed pretty positive.

>>74362253
nah you could just do it in software
or a simple loopback cable from audio out to audio in if it's not otherwise possible

>>74363416
generally, anything that is labeled "gaming" is overpriced garbage. not everything of course, but most of it

>>74363392
>i downloaded it. it does not make sense.
What doesn't make sense?

>>resonance
If you put nothing on them it makes no difference.
If you put different effects it does.
It's what lets you control how smooth/abrupt the transition between the bands happen (since they're just crossfaded and don't just go from 100% to 0% between one frequency and the other).

>>74362072
whatever you want, you can also just lurk

>tfw second day of becoming a successful music producer

>>74363475
post clyps

>>74363385
yes but it also happens on rendered projects, they make a click on the on/off automation points

>>74363502
not on that lvl yet just downloading the software and cleaning my life up

how to make this sound a half decent master
https://55chan.org/b/src/1501913517401-1.ogg
this is the reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBk1TBWvNYM

>>74363352
Basic EQs aren't very good for multiband splitting because you have very little control over the crossover points, which means that they can colour the sound unintentionally. It's much better to use a dedicated, transparent multiband splitter. Doesn't Ableton have one?

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>>74363548
But they don't color the sound at all, since you can invert the phase of the whole rack and check it against the dry signal, and it's always complete silence.

>Doesn't Ableton have one?
It has a multiband compressor where you can solo the bands but it's not transparent.

>Basic EQs aren't very good for multiband splitting because you have very little control over the crossover points
I'm not using a LPF and a HPF on the same frequency to achieve it.
I'm using a phase cancellaton trick to make some bands with filters and the others with the opposite of the same filter. As shown in pic related.
If you're not familiar with Ableton I can explain what's in the image if you want.

Also I usually use Fabfilter Pro-Q2 for this, since it also lets me change the slope, as well as give me a linear phase mode, and I can also unmap the frequency macro and assign the frequencies manually to specific notes for more precision when it's required.

What's up y'all, went on a YouTube binge for 2 months now I can't stand basic bitch tritone chord progressions in one consistent key and gotta do stupid shit like what if I did the same damn chord over and over but I raised it by a perfect fifth or a perfect fourth or a major third or a minor third or something each time and did appropriate inversions to keep it flowing. I don't even bother with laying out all the notes to the scale in a separate channel for a reference anymore it's just whatever the fuck sounds good. I just used 3 halfsteps in a row in my chord progression? Whatever idiot it sounds fucking great and I'm not going to stop any time soon.

>>74363656
Ah, I see. Yeah that seems like a pretty good solution. Weird that Ableton doesn't have a multiband FX rack built in though.
If I used Ableton I'd try yours out.

What would be the best and/or fastest ways to isolate the instrumental section from a very old public domain big band song?

I'm Just A Gigolo by Louis Prima.

I have a few copies.

>>74363283
Nig Rt

>>74363947
If it's stereo you can try splitting mid / side or using Kn0ck0ut or iZotope RX's fancier stereo isolation tools. There's also Sony's SpectraLayers if it's mono or you just want more harmonic precision but that's miserable. They did use it to make stereo versions of Beach Boys songs or something so it's definitely professional quality if you do it right, it's not just some toy.

>>74364022
Cheg'd

I'll look into those. I wanted to try something with the digital copy, even sloppily, right now.

Having a record of it adds options, I assume.

>>74364053
Having the record doesn't matter, you're going to be working with a digital copy on your digital computer anyway. Having a lossless digital copy matters.

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>>74363865
Thank you.

>>74363865
>Weird that Ableton doesn't have a multiband FX rack built in though
Ableton has more of a "simple" approach, where things are in a way limited, but let you do whatever you want anyway because of how you can create your own effects yourself.
Some times it's a pain, but you can save them, so you only have to make them once.

I have to add that Ableton also has a 3-band EQ like on a DJ mixer (pic related), but it's not transparent.

>>74361992
He used one of these

https://youtu.be/2HqzulnP_so

>>74363533

It's that thing again - you're getting there with the backing track but your voice doesn't suit that style, there's no urgency in it.

Just did a bunch of dominant seventh chords rising by a fourth each time, did inversions to keep it flowing, and made a few changes to the harmonies to make it flow even better. It's such a cool way to get a colorful progression started.

https://clyp.it/uatcgdlm

Please, try some dumb shit it's so fun. There's so many options in harmony this is like the best thing ever to play with.

btw it's Pianoteq if you're curious, not a huge multi-gigabyte sample library. The newer ones aren't properly cracked yet but 2.3 works and sounds fine. Ought to be an installer on SoulSeek at some point.

>>74363656
>It has a multiband for doing just that, but I don't know how to use it

fify

>>74364253
We went over that in the old thread.
It's not transparent.

>>74364253
Just stop feeding this guy attention. Somebody literally made the shit he was talking about with the mb compressor to show how retarded he was being and just went into denial that it worked

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>>74364278
>it worked
Literally a fake picture anyone could make in paint in 10 second by pasting parts of two different screenshots.
I posted screenshots too of me doing the same thing, along with an old video of some guy on youtube doing exactly that (while also showing the phasing it causes to the waveform).
He kept telling me to change irrelevant things (and then concede victory) when they changed nothing and I kept asking for him to upload this transparent rack he was using in the screenshot, and I'm still waiting.

It was all an attempt to troll me and you either managed to fall for it despite not even being the target or you're still trying to troll me.

If you want to make one and upload it to show me how retarded I am, feel free, and I'll stop being annoying and concede victory.

>>74364278
>I don't understand phases or how stacking out-of-phase frequencies alters sound
Dude made a bloated static phaser, whatever.

>>74364351
You had the utility in the wrong place with all of your shit clipping because you're a troll. Bye bitch

>>74364405
>Clipping destroyed the phase
What

>>74364405
>utility in the wrong place
Makes literally no difference which side you flip, or if you flip the parts individually, as I proved when I uploaded the second screenshot with the utility in exactly the same place as the guy's screenshot, and it obviously made no difference.

>>74364405
>all of your shit clipping
The fact that you care about clipping on an empty project I created just to test this can only mean two things:
2- You have the intelligence of a child who can't concentrate on what's important and has to get carried away by irrelevant details
1- You're just trolling. Poorly.

>>74359208
>>74359535
>>74360002
I made a few quick changes based on what you said and remade the drums from scratch.
https://clyp.it/pxhg3nxd
Am I heading in the right direction?
I know it's not completely clean I just don't know if it's worth polishing or I should just move on for now.

hi, mistakenly created a separate thread for this, but any advice on building tracks up in recording? especially sources of background noise/atmosphere etc. i'm trying to record an album and i want to expand on my live sound but i don't know what i'm doing at all

i just took FIVE fucking minutes to take a video of my l33t phase inversion rack to show phazer who's boss but the webm is too big how do i make it smaller////?

>>74365215
Make it's size proportional to your dick.

>>74365215
Upload it on zippyshare.

Or better, upload the fucking rack, so I can't say you falsified the video.

>>74365238
I'm a girl u twat fite me

>>74365294
haha it all makes sense now

>>74365294
be my gf please

>>74359947
kinda cool. soudns a bit flat though - try mixing differently to make the bass stuff more pronounced? nothing really punches through the mix, but idk how to help u with that. gl anon!

>>74365290
I took it on my phone so it's pretty real lookin

I'm thinking if you couldn't get it to work on your own you'll somehow fuck up the preset too and deny that it works desu

Taking a break rn I'll do it in 30 or so

>>74363416
I own a DXRacer one, it`s ok, go for it

>>74360366
dig it as a sketch, keep workin at it

>>74365362
>I took it on my phone so it's pretty real lookin
Means nothing.
You could've made the fake video, faked that, fullscreened it on your computer, then filmed the video with your phone.
Super easy way to add fake legitimacy to anything.

>I'm thinking if you couldn't get it to work on your own you'll somehow fuck up the preset too and deny that it works desu
How can I fuck up the preset?
I just have to import it and do nothing to it.
whether it works or not doesn't depend on what I do with it, because I'd be doing nothing to it except applying it as is.

>>Taking a break rn I'll do it in 30 or so
What a coincidence.
If you're serious, then I'll be waiting.

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Well it certainly isn't the least gay song I've ever written, but after playing piano for like 6 years I'm trying to learn ukulele and use it in songs so I thought id try something like this. Shit audio comes from microphone being broken and having to use an iPhone to record.

https://clyp.it/oa0aiwtj

>>74365357
Thanks, I'm just too lazy to master it properly ;)

>>74364457
>Makes literally no difference which side you flip, or if you flip the parts individually
proof you are retarded

final edit of something I've worked on this week, any last adjustments I could make? If you guys catch something let me know

https://clyp.it/0aulpkel

I found an old video that shows exactly what I'm talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzP_1NRpmsw
Along with this more recent one I posted in the other thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqma83HBsnY
I think this is much better proof than some guy's screenshot or video, since I couldn't have falsified these, but anything made by one of you could have been.

Also I'm still waiting for a transparent multiband splitter rack, which would take seconds to make, and even less to upload, but nobody sent anything.
Really makes you think...

>>74365885
Nice argument.

>>74365908
>https://clyp.it/0aulpkel
This is good shit m8

not a big fan of the wubby portion, but that beat that came in at the end was nice

>>74365951
I showed you how to do in the last thread with screenshots and you still couldn't figure it out?

>>74365996
Apparently not.
Why can't you upload it so I see it myself and shut up?

>>74365908
Really damn cool man. Those edits radiate a very particular style

https://clyp.it/lotcrmxg

i couldn't not hear death grips while working on this, think it gave me a good frame to work around. bad mixing etc, ear fatigue and all.

kinda pop

>>74365143
bump?

>>74366006
http://blog.dubspot.com/ableton-live-tutorial-multiband-phase-inversion-racks/

>>74365951
>that video

wait is this why you don't know how to use the multiband compressor..? it still fucking plays the rest of the track outside of the band you're compressing dipshit. the guy in the first video is an idiot

>>74366006
not him but i'll do it now

>>74365143
duplicate an existing track, put 100% reverb on it. Resample and time stretch
chop it up, put it on a sampler with a delay
play around with it until you get something you like and record it as a new track

>>74366167
god damn that's overkill for his question lmao

good idea though

>>74365908
The stuff before the drop sounds too long to me. I feel like I should be waiting for something to arrive and it kind of ruins it for me.

After the drop, maybe it's just me, but those high-pitched sounds (starting a 1:07) trigger my tinnitus and are a bit too "piercing".
Granted I'm not listening with proper equipment, but your listeners likely won't either, so it's up to you to decide if it's too high or not.

Those sounds at 1:45 that sound like a dog or unoiled door sound too "lowpassed" to me.
Maybe you were going for a lo-fi vibe or the sample didn't have higher frequencies in the first place, but it sounds too muffled to me.

The rest is fine, and the song is pretty good overall, so I'm definitely nitpicking here.
I'll definitely keep it on my hard drive lol.
Do you have a SC or place where you upload your stuff?

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Thoughts on this so far?

https://clyp.it/1hwqsye5

>>74366162
>>74366006
>>74365996
>>74365951
>>74365885
here faggot

http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/mhCkzq7C/file.html

unphase (turn off the utility) under any band in the inverted rack and you'll have a doubled track. i can't believe you've been using multiband compressors that fucking wrong

>>74366130
This is exactly like the racks I made.
If you're giving me argument ammo, thank you.
If you're trying to disprove me, you failed.

It even says:
>Another approach to building a Multiband Effect Rack in Live is to load a Multiband Dynamics device on three separate device chains in an Audio Effect Rack, and then enable the Solo button for each independent frequency band. This method sounds more transparent than using separate EQ filters and works well. However, the sound seems colored and is not 100% transparent. What is transparent you may ask? In this example, a transparent sounding Audio Effect Rack will sound the same when enabled or disabled. There is no audible change in the sound when toggling the rack on and off.

>>74366162
>wait is this why you don't know how to use the multiband compressor..? it still fucking plays the rest of the track outside of the band you're compressing dipshit. the guy in the first video is an idiot
I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.
The guy made no mistake, and the second guy also confirmed the same point, but you ignored him.

>>74366274
I can't open it.
I'm on 9.6.2 though, so give me the time to update and I'll try it.

Can anyone fact-check him in the meantime?

>>74366274
I don't understand what was debatable about this? It's an extremely simple rack that cancels no problem, what was the problem?

>>74366379
It works.

>>74366248
This is all super helpful man I was forsure trying to be abrasive with those hi percs but you're probably right in that it's overkill. I'm /official_contingent on sc but there's not much I'm proud of on there

>>74366167
i meant more generally haha but thanks this is a good idea

You're welcome man.
I'll check out your stuff when I'll have time.

Are you going to upload this one too?

>>74366379
here
http://www104.zippyshare.com/v/dyLs2pw2/file.html

>>74366807
it colors the sound not what he meant :^)

>>74366379
>I can't open it.

How convenient for you

I thought it would be interesting if we had an open questions on /prod/ more.

1. What's the latest "ah-ha" moment you've had about production/producing?

2. What's something you're working on getting better at?

Personally, my latest ah-ha moment was during analysis of reference tracks and how things change section to section (usually new lyrics/slightly higher in range, new bass line and saving specific instruments for specific sections.)

and rn, i'm working on getting better at creating more interesting and unique transitionary sounds/moment.

>>74359984
>write both parts in the key you're comfortable in
>freeze n flatten
>use transpose knob on audio.

>>74366996
1. learning how a compressor works

2. widening

>>74366996
good idea mate, though i don't think these warrant much discussion

>1. What's the latest "ah-ha" moment you've had about production/producing?

all of the "less is more" advice about eq, reverb, and basically everything has been bullshit

organizing and deleting from my sample library makes getting good drum racks about 100 times faster

2. What's something you're working on getting better at?

going all the way to sound "pro"

i was stuck churning out a few (decent) songs a week and now i'm making more of an effort to take things all the way... it's working

>>74362993
No, the reverbs and the instrument specific plugins are worthless.

Everything else is pretty good. Good selection of Comps.

>>74366807
You put the splitter in both the chains lmao.
In the unlikely case you're not just trolling, you're supposed to compare the after-splitter signal with the dry one, not with the signal of another rack, you fucking retard.

>>74366970
>I can't read the part where he said he'll try it in a bit, just after updating his software.
How convenient for you

>>74367144
>You put the splitter in both the chains lmao.

/prod/ is dead

>>74367104
Compressors, i find, are difficult to explain in words. You gotta use build the aural memory and apply it slowly so you can hear it's effect. Just test a few ones and see which ones you like this best. Start with your DAWs native plugins.

For widening, I highly recommend Izoptope Imager. Gives you complete control of all the bands AND can be automated so you can use the stereo field almost as an effect.

This song is a good example of it. Notice how everything is rather intimate until the synth at 1:45 comes. Everything instantly becomes wider. Really grabs your attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I3IxUV91tM

>>74365951
OTT is a free preset in Ableton under the Multiband Compressor tab.

and it is also a free download.


Stop asking us to feed you everything and use your brain

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>>74367318
Wut?

>>74367144
>says the person that did the same thing yesterday

>>74367353
>transparent multiband splitter rack, which would take seconds to make, and even less to upload, but nobody sent anything.

that is literally OTT.

Rackfags please off yourselves

>>74364145
yeah i cant improve my singing so soon
but what i can do to the mixing/mastering?
does it have too much or too few of a certain frequency? something that is muddying something else's frequency? the vocal itself is fitting ok in the mix? are the drums still punching?

>>74367416
this tho

>>74367416
I made a pretty cool bass rack today. Can I stay?

>>74367373
Where?
Maybe you're confusing me with the guy I was talking with, since I accused him of doing it multiple times.
In fact, I always respond thoroughly point after point.

>>74367378
Nope.
OTT, which stands for OverTheTop, is a very aggressive and "in your face" compression preset for the multiband dynamics.

What I want them to give me, is an audio effect rack which splits the spectrum into different bands so tou can add different effects to each one without affecting the others.
Using the Multiband Dynamics device for this though, colors the sound, as shown by the multiple links I posted where people point this out and even show it with practical examples.
Some Anons here decided to troll me and say that it doesn't color the sound, so I was asking them to back their statement by uploading a rack that splits the frequencies using Multiband Dynamics without coloring the sound.

>>74367500
>implying people that care about coloring wouldn't already be doing this

Why do you even care about this? Your music sounds like shit.

>>74367448
Organize a hierarchy in your tracks. What is most important and what is the least important. This of course changes from section to section.

>>74367500
fine if ott is out of the question

>make instrument rack
>add multiple EQs (perferably something that gives you a visual of the sound) to seperate the bands
>label them so you don't get confused.
>add in whatever fxs to whatever frequencies you want.


See it's not too difficult if you rub those brain cells together.

>>74367699
guitars on the intro
verse/chorus = vocals, guitars, drums, synth, bass
guitar solo = same as vocals but guitar solo instead of vocals

This pretty much isn't the right place but what are some recommended high quality record players

>>74367623
>>implying people that care about coloring wouldn't already be doing this
Doing What?
Using phase-cancellation to make a transparent frequency splitter?

>Why do you even care about this?
My technique doesn't introduce phasing issues, doesn't change the waveform of the audio I put through it, and offers a lot more control over the parameters, as explained throughout the old thread (>>74315652)

>Your music sounds like shit.
?
I never even posted my music here.

>>74367699
I don't think you understand the situation here.
I made a rack that does it cleanly and transparently using a phase inversion trick (I uploaded multiple ones in the old thread. just CTRL+F "zippyshare" and you'll find them).
They're a bit more complicated than normal (and your method, which isn't transparent and changes the sound a lot), so everyone is giving me shit for going overkill when using the Multiband Dynamics is perfectly fine.
I responded that it's not perfectly fine because it colors the sound and introduces phasing issues, but they keep saying it's not true despite me proving it many times (the only proof they had is a screenshot which is obviously fake because I copied the settings from it and it didn't work, on top of being obviously impossible).
So I was asking them to prove it's possible to have a transparent frequency splitter that uses Multiband Dynamics, not because I want it for myself (my racks are still superior because they offer more control and are lighter on the CPU, other than being transparent), but because I was challenging them to substantiate their claim.
The only racks they've uploaded are the two in this thread, of which one was wrong (the guy put two racks against each other instead of putting a single rack against the dry signal, which is completely retarded), and the other one isn't working so I'm trying to see if updating my old software will make it work.
We'll see if they're right after I've finished updating.

>>74367750
good! exactly like that!

Now I personally like to use the vocals as sort of the a guidepost. No matter what I do to the other parts are doing, the vocals are front and center. A good trick I do is to duplicate the vocal track and make it mono and the other one in stereo; this ensures that you'll still have a good clear signal coming through and you can use the lvls to balance them out.

>>74367843

yeah, wrong place. try a /daily/ or discogs thread.

>>74367863
We know who you are, there is only one actually autistic kid in /prod/

What kind of bass and leads are used in this track?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914

Also what kind of reverb/compression, etc...

>>74367935
And what music did I upload?

>>74367935
lol i already asked and this guy claims to be italian, i don't think it's the same dude. the other kid seemed less concerned with the technical. looks like we got 2

>>74365908
Great sounddesign work, although too random. How did you make it?

>>74367950
http://www.soundonsound.com/people/ha-take-me
read this they talk a bit about the gear they used

>>74367950
I don't know, but I lived in the house where that album was produced. The studio was obviously no longer there.

>>74367935
>>74368029
I don't have autism. I'm just the kind of guy who can't let go if he thinks he's right, so I'm getting baited by all these people disputing what I'm saying and I can't help but respond to each one.

>>74367873
im not sure what you mean but the vocal tracks are mono except for a stereo reverb, and a stereo chorus on the backing
does the track bother you in any of these aspects mentioned on >>74367448, or you notice another aspect to make it sound clearer and closer to the reference?

>>74368207
The only thing that stands out is that the guitar and vocals are fighting for the same freq. ranges.

try changing the pattern for the guitar, have it hold longer chords, while you're singing and then your lines are done, add the more syncopated rhythm you have already to "fill in the blanks" and help the motion of the song/kill dead air.

>>74368109
I use cubase, torrent vsts and sample cassette tapes and vinyl

>>74368348
What did you use to make the pitchbent bass that starts at 1:32?

>>74368147
>>74367863
>>74367500
>>74367144

this is among the lowest effort trolling i've seen on /mu/ and somehow all these kids are still replying, why?

>>74368487
>this is among the lowest effort trolling i've seen on /mu/
Are you talking about your own post?

>>74368465
sugar bytes factory, fractal saw osc, then saturn, pro-q, compression. Nothing fancy at all it's basically just a wavetable that adds harmonics as you scroll through it

>>74368622
Cool, thank you.

https://clyp.it/avodyyjs
what instrument could I add to this?

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https://discord.gg/G44TWEu

>>74365908
Cool.
Reminds me of 'Isis' by Seven Lions (kind of a "trappy" version of it).
Were you by chance inspired by it?

>>74368487
Cause the kid is autistic bruh

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>>74366274
Ok, I've just finished installing 9.7.3 and the racks works.
Just like this one [>>74366807], there's a frequency-splitter made with Multiband Dynamics, which, to see if it's transparent (meaning, if it's not active, the output signal is exactly the same as the input) is checked against an inverted version OF THE SAME FUCKING THING.
You're supposed to check it against the dry signal so you can see if there are differences between the input and the output.
Doung what you just did only shows you if there are differences between one rack and the other, which is useless because it's two of the same rack, and also because it's not what we're trying to find here.

If we do it properly and check one rack against the dry (rack-less) signal, it's clear that the result doesn't cancel out to silence because there are differences in phase introduced by the multiband compressors.

But of course you're just trying to troll me and aren't actually serious, are you?
I really don't know why am I still wasting all this time responding to you.
It's clear you've worked on it yourself and saw with your own eyes that it doesn't cancel out, and yet you keep saying stuff that nobody who's tried it (like you did) would say.
There is no way you aren't just pretending to be stupid by pretending that I'm stupid.

>>74370471
>it doesn't cancel out

here's your >(You)

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https://clyp.it/21zptsbj

Hey guys, I've been really working on a drum sound that's big without being too autistic. This track is kinda weird, it's just fucking around in my studio

>>74368665
>https://clyp.it/avodyyjs
Hammond b3 m8

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>>74365590
It's certainly not bad m8, I do like the bass. It's fun! Pic related

>>74368301
thank you
will check the frequencies of the guitar and vocals and keep them more separated
wont change the guitar parts tho because its a cover

>>74370471
>being this autistic

>>74372055
>not being this autistic

tfw its hot as fuck and the ac isnt working i want to die

If anyone has 6 minutes to spare, please tell me which of these two tracks is better, if they're even any good at all. I used the same drum pattern, but different samples. One came out fairly trap/future bass ish, while the other one is very cloudy and atmospheric.

https://clyp.it/rls3upkr
https://clyp.it/ehi0eiz0

Also if you have any criticisms to add please do so. Gonna go back through this thread and keep giving out some advice if i can.

>>74365908
Really digging the intro. I'd say if there were any adjustments to be made, it'd be to work on the stereo imagine for some of the drum samples used between 1:34-2:00

>>74366256
I think it sound damn good. I really like the chord progression. Reminds me of parasite eve for some reason.

/r/ a vst that tightens two doubled tracks

>>74372957

Tightens their timing? Any DAW that has the Elastic Audio algorithms would do that but it's a manual process.

If you mean pitch then Melodyne.

rec music that exemplifies first-rate production pls

https://clyp.it/xxborx2k

how do I make this sound less gay

>>74373596
Donald Fagen - The Nightfly

>>74373596
you need to be more specific. first that come to mind is the downard spiral, confield, and pretty much anything arca.

>>74373662
start over desu sorry :(

>>74372957
record it again honestly

i saw a vst for this that made it look stupid easy for vocals and it looks like cheating almost. idr ...


>>74372375
2nd one is way better. the synth line in the first is gay as fuck

>>74373662
add reverb vocals and snare, to the use a transient process to tighten up the kick, try using a different drum pattern.

>>74373949
yeah the one i saw was for vocals too.
>idr
too bad you dont remember its name either

>>74373031
yeah timing
i do it manually already, looking for something more precise

>>74374277
vocalign or revoice pro is maybe what you are thinking of

>>74372957
Vocalign.

How do you guys advertise your music?

>>74374393
>>74374405
>people on /mu/ actually know stuff

>>74373812
drums are eh

>>74373596
Dedalus - s/t
Black Focus - Yussef Kamaal
Jeff Lorber Fusion - Soft Space
Metallica - Kill 'em all
George Duke - The Inner Source
George Benson - Breezin'
Idris Muhammad - Power of Soul
Radio Moscow - Brain Cycles
Matt Martians - The Drum Chord Theory
Tsuruda - rip
Noisia Discography
Joe Ford Discography
Midnight Marauders
Illmatic
The Pharcyde - Bizarre ride II
Ahmad Jamal - Jamal Plays Jamal (if you have the right rip)
Alice Coltrane - Ptah The El Daoud

Not to mention anything from any classical composer or orchestra is more typically than not top notch. The above was just off the top of my head, if you are still curious I have more

>>74374734
let's hear something of yours and I can tell you very quickly if you should even be asking this question (just for your best interest), because the true answer is it is a pain in the ass

https://clyp.it/1ull0khu
What do you think?

>>74374862
https://clyp.it/u3pt5tqm

Any good free DAWs? especially for someone coming from Sunvox with the whole modular synth thing

>>74374992
maybe if it weren't so repetitive and you mixed well. it's interesting at least. i hate that noise/"shaker" though

>>74374914
your ambition clearly overwhelms your capability (drums especially- everything sounds cheesy/canned)

the motif is too consonant

i've tried this style a few times... it's a weird crossover. don't like it \(._.)/

>>74375084
reaper is the only one

can anyone recommend daws like audacity x GarageBand would FL Studios be good for me ?

>>74375155
if youre on mac fl studio isnt ready yet if you like garageband i suggest you try logic

>>74375155
pretty sure garageband is logic light- you should get that if you know garageband

anyone have good reccs for drum sample packs?
also I used to have a pack that elaquent used but I cant remember the name of it

>>74375357
i dont use sample packs but whosampled is a good place to find drums

>>74373596
Chronic 2001
Wish you were here
The downward spiral
In utero
Basic channel
Untrue
Rumors
Ok computer
It still moves
Dummy

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>all this dope shit after working 6-7 hours

feels good /prod/, feels good.

>>74358680
i actually like this because im half-retarded or something

>>74374992
you don't need to be advertising your music yet

>>74361169
I could imagine Dexed would be great too (hell it's even free and open source, still up to date) but I don't have any experience with paid VSTs though or even VSTs right now.

>>74375667
>In utero

fyi there exists Albini's original mix floating around too

>>74374813
can we please be friends?

>>74376671
i liked that ring mod solo thing but i get pretty tired of the albini bandwagon, particularly for in utero. I love a lot of the stuff he's worked on but nirvana was never much of an albini band- they benefited from a more produced sound as opposed to the more raw straightfoward stuff he's known for

>>74361169
serum has fm "capabilities" but i'm not sure if that means full fledged.

there's some shit that i would add to fm8 but it doesn't sound dated at all

TFW, you're the only girl in your subgenre virtually (Alison Wonderland and Rezz maybe come closest but they don't do any Moombahton), so when labels hear your demos assume you're a guy....(I only submit demos with my producer name which isn't exactly feminine...but still!).

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https://discord.gg/Qsq9kw

>>74377214
>I'm a girl btw xD

>>74377490
but anon what if she's cute? won't you feel like an asshole then!

>>74377490
what do you prod? I produce mostly trap and moombahton...but mostly just trap lately with a touch of future bass.

>>74377538
I am actually pretty good looking, mate.

>>74377569
>>74377545
oh boo hoo you're more marketable and can get by off image alone :(

idm and "experimental" hip hop mostly- these threads get lonely

>>74377569
Timestamp

>>74377598
I don't want to sell myself for anything more than just music. I like making good music, and if one of my demos was good enough for RL Grime, and he didn't know I was a girl. That's good enough for me. :)

>>74377653
god damnit

the appropriate response is TITS OR GTFO

that is pefectly applicable here -______________________________________________________________________________________-

>>74377667
then it's irrelevant that you're a girl so don't attention whore here

>>74377690
not attention whoring just wanted to see maybe other girls lurked here too

"girl"

Been using Upwork to try find cheap engineers. Have one who guy is doing 70 a song fully mastered but how he's just being a useless cunt and taking forever.

Any other decent websites where I can outsource mixing and mastering that is somewhat reputable? Is Fiver a better option?

>>74377712
>not attention whoring just wanted to see maybe other girls lurked here too
>other girls
woah don't get ahead of yourself we haven't even established your gender yet

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>>74377765
good enough?

>>74377779
could be trap idk

>>74377779
post feet pls

ok then boys and girl, check this shit out.
>music for hopeless creepy loners

https://clyp.it/wy4wx2l3

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>>74377214
>tfw no face

>>74377779
yeh I believe it but you're undoubtedly a beefcake

how to make dub less boring?
https://clyp.it/okoahwln

>>74377779
set up?

>>74377834
i'm a us size 2 almost a 0 so fuck you

>>74377742
>70 a song
>he's just being a useless cunt and taking forever

no fucking shit. diy or shell out some money

>>74377779
>old hands

>>74377834
likely

>>74377857
i thought it didn't matter though????

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/Prod/ I need your help with something kinda especific.

I'va been an instrumental and composer as hobby for several years, but only resently I wanted to enter the world of music production so I could record with better quality my music...
So I bought a Focusrite interface and a friend shared his Fabfilter Total bundle with me so I could start with eq, compression, etc.
Now, I swear to fucking god I'm going to read all the documentation that it's posted in the OP, but for the time being could someone share a Youtube video detailing the steps to "clean up" recordings of instruments when using a mic? please

>>74377941
re record it or try some shit like izotope rx

>>74377933
it doesn't matter, but i sure as fuck won't let someone call me fat when I'm not...and "old", I'm 22.

anyways who actually on here talks about production and what they make? what's everyone using? I just bought a beat step pro, and it's making life 100000x more easier. Anyone use a Rolli? Wanna buy, but they look kind of stupid.

>>74377933
He was working on it and keeping in contact every couple of days for 4 weeks, now he send a message very 4 or 5 days making excuses why he can't upload the work space. Even offered more money to get it back off him.

I'm not the one offering a 2 week turn around mix and master for 4 tracks for $70. He is.

>>74377941
Noise reduction does a lot of damage, you're much better off getting a clean recording to begin with.

>>74377957
>>74378121
Ok thanks, I'll try to re-record tomorrow.
Also, my mic picks some notes EXTRA loud and weird from my cello, what could I use to adjust that? a multiband compressor? a normal compressr? EQ?

>>74377856
I just moved so I'm still unpacking, but I've got out my novation launchkey for most of my synth and bass production, launchpad, and just got a beat step pro (which is actually a great tool for just about everything). interface is an apogee quartet and monitors are rokits.

>>74378024
>Rolli
roland?

idk your hand looks bloated or something. why do you give a fuck what strangers call you online you're so sensitive

try lurking for like 5 minutes cunt

>>74378028
AHAHAHA 4 tracks for 70? i thought you meant each wtf

personally i mix pretty fast and thought most guys who know what's up did too- i'd look for somebody else if i were you. maybe he's got some personal shit going on who knows

>>74378166
always rerecord if you have the option

that sounds more like a player problem. mb compression is at the bottom of the list of things to try usually. normal compressor probably, eq if you mean bright/harsh rather than loud. idk it's been a minute since i've played cello

>>74378166
mic it more carefully

>>74378287
no it's called the rolli seaboard or some shit. Flume got given one and I've seen heaps of producers use them lately. They look weird, but I've heard they're actually pretty cool.

>>74378326
ive seen the roli seaboard it does look cool but it is expensive as fuck i cant afford one

>>74378425
I think I might buy the 49 to update from my launchkey, because I don't really need the launchkey AND a launchpad...I was going to get a Native komplete kontrol,..but same price as the seaboard.

>>74378497
if i was going to buy that i would save for the grand stage because i cant deal with just 49 keys it is 3000 dollars though

>>74378553
my budget is $1500 - would you have any other suggestions?

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>>74378587
>my budget is $1500

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>>74378587
>$1500
get what you want i just think 49 keys is not worth it for any controller because you run out of space playing with 2 hands

>>74378696
i work very hard outside of music to afford nice things. (hence as someone pointed out my hands are swollen - try doing 20-30 saddles up a day on 20-30 horses..pays good tho)

>>74378762
god you're so one note shut the fuck up we get it you have tits life is great

>>74378892
i lol'd out loud thanks anon

>>74378762
okay?

>>74377941
what do you mean by "clean up". Is it unusable?
Then re-record or RX.
If not then remove frequencys you don't need with high/low pass. like everything below 100hz for voice. This depends greatly on the instrument you recorded, look up the Frequency range. Then add/remove freq with bell filters wich sound good/bad. 250-500 is often muddy try remove 1-4 dB, 1-2 kHz try boosting 1-4 dB there is the clarity.
Read the mixing engineers handbook.

>>74378762
So you're a female 22yo moombahton producer with a non-feminine name who got early support from RL Grime and works with horses.

Be careful with all this info. Being associated with this website isn't really something you want, as it could potentially damage your career.
Especially if you want to bank on the "girl producer" thing (as you should) because the people who care about that are the kind of people that would hate you for posting here.

Also, upload something on clyp.it
If you're as good as you say, I want to hear your stuff.

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does deadmau5 actually make practical use of all the shit in his studio or does he just own most of it because he can afford to?

i see all these meme studios with wall to wall gear but then the owners end up using a bunch of VSTs and maybe integrating 3 or 4 pieces of hardware from their vast arrays of gear into their projects.

>>74361925
KVR Audio

>>74362993
not always the "best" in every area but still high tier at the very least. their plugins are ugly as shit with their 90s uis but that is probably because they never had to lure people in with flash uis.

>>74363416
any chair that costs more than 250$ is a meme. also what this guy said >>74363445

>>74380667
It's not about using all of it all the time. It's more of a "why not having them so if I happen to need/want them I can use them" type of thing.

So yes, it's part "needing them" and part having them because they can.

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>>74380758
>any chair that costs more than 250$ is a meme
wrong

>>74359088
>IMO companies should just make stuff that can fit in a eurorack (but with self contained power supplies and connections in the rear of the units).
Totally agree, just started a euro rack with the intent on filling it with mostly euro effects modules

>>74377941
The key to a clearer single is EQ, but you gotta be percise.

With Fabfilter Q-2, you get a spectral view of the sound, and then cut out the lows and other frequencies you don't need. Add other brand and reduce the gain on them to really shape around the signal, but again, with patience and carefully.

https://clyp.it/u10yoobx

What kind of drum beat would fit over this beat?