KPOP GENERAL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8j_XEn9b_8
SOTY2014

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16/10

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZpq8FjJr2E

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>>74217407
i don't ratblast

black pink posting is basically the same as gaypop posting at this point

>>74217443
She's such a womanlet

Patrician: Chill, Going Crazy, Diamond. The Eve

Plebeian: Forever, What U Do, Touch it, Walk on Memories

Contrarian: Kokobop

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we're all thirsty kqts here

>>74217467
*vomit*

>>74217462
this is not miniskirt

LOOΠΔ~

>>74217481
word

>>74217473
i don't get it

>>74217447
>how do you explain a different type of group in a different genre then
what?

>>74217490
>putting the best songs forever and walk on memories on pleb tier
what's wrong with you

>>74217490
i skipped almost all of them like every exo album

i knew i should have trusted my instinct and prior experience with this weak ass vocalfaggot group

>>74217443
jessica looks smol next to him

>>74217490
liking diamond is straddling the line between contrarian and retarded

>>74217486
gfriends already on the downswing, as is twice slightly

snsd has majority female fanbase

>>74217399
no. It seems like girls would go for ''le strong female model'' and less for the music
>>74217412
> they aren't very popular
what are Twice, Gfriend, SNSD(until certain point)? I'd also add Apink to the list but they have been flopping for too long

>>74217490
>title track tier
ko ko bop
what u do?
forever

>b-side promotional stage tier
the eve
diamond
going crazy

>boring but still good tier
touch it

>what the fuck is going on in this song tier
chill

>concert song tier
walk on memories

>>74217471
nana looks so strange here

>>74217519
>vocalfaggot group
>exo
lmao

>>74217497
>>74217477
correct, its neither of those songs

>>74217490
where did the diamond meme came from

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>>74217287
That's what u get for underestimating momememe's lesbian powers

>>74217496
ESL

post favorite old pop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6huEhRrfpvo

>>74217555
me on the left

>>74217537
what are the thousands of other girl groups that have died during that time lmaoooo

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>>74217552
>he doesn't GLOW UP

>>74217564
what's an old song? I'll post 2 then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGGRrB-Dhr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8em1w3KIFA

I’m sorry but boy band songs are mostly generic as fuck. The music that mattered in the k-pop revolution was nearly all female and the reason is (warning: music theory incoming) because songwriters actually write songs for the guy groups differently, usually favouring simpler harmony and pentatonic instead of diatonic melody. This matters because anyone can shit out a semi-acceptable pentatonic melody over chords I, IV and V after about one improvisation class in any given instrument, but it won’t ever sound any more than thoughtless. Maybe it’s because the songwriters feel that the crazy girl fandoms will carry the groups to fame with fan power so not much effort is needed in the actual song.

Infinite were (and still are) one of those boy groups that break the mold a little bit by occasionally actually having someone write proper songs for them, instead of the usual pentatonic-scale warbling fucking bullshit that infects most male k-pop group songwriting.

>gfriend is bad know
when did everyone turn delusional

Dreamcatcher completed their choreography 7 days before filming the music video. And even then, they continued to modify it.

>>74217564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgXtSx8ublA

>>74217490
forever > going crazy > walk on memories > what u do > kokobop > the eve > chill > touch it
i enjoyed them all though

>>74217532
Gfirend was the third most popular girlgroup. Let's wait for their comeback and see if they if they retake their rightful place.
Also Twice is far from loosing popularity, quite the contrary.
>snsd has majority female fanbase
that's why I said ''until certain point''

>>74217595
pre 2000 i guess

>>74217519
same

walk on memories is a pretty standard boring ballad

i love red velvet

>>74217601
is gaypop really more pentatonic than diatonic? And is girlpop different?

>>74217492
wendy confirmed for dirty girl

>>74217601
>usually favouring simpler harmony and pentatonic instead of diatonic melody
nice bait retard

>>74217636
was it considered a ballad? i don't really like them but i love that song a lot

>>74217627
>Also Twice is far from loosing popularity
each comeback after TT has done worse than the last
signal did pretty bad for their standards

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based

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this is the only true visual

>>74217601
when will girl groups ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q35VVR5-CLQ

>>74217643
me too

>>74217643
same, and nothing will change that

http://7-dreamers.tumblr.com/post/163477575003/trans-170727-interview-why-girl-group

>>74217671
WORD

>>74217646
why are you posting a jpop idol

>>74217671
word except him and seven of the other nine

>>74217578
thousands of groups from every concept died. >>74217568
That guy said that male majority fanbases for groups aren't popular and Twice and Gfirend prove him wrong

>>74217662
based whoever the heck that guy is

>>74217658
...so a repackage and one actual comeback that didn't do well

>>74217687
list them and i'll see if i can word

>>74217662
>liking anime and kpop instead of guns and crack cocaine

is this like the black version of being a hipster or something

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>>74217601
you must only listen to infinites title tracks

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>>74217466

http://www.asianjunkie.com/2017/07/27/dreamcatcher-deliver-pop-perfection-with-fly-high-their-best-release-yet/

GUYS HOOT HAS FEWER MV VIEWS THAN PWF

SNSD CONFIRMED PERMA FLOP

>>74217658
even SNSD had a bad time in the Hoot era but they came back stronger than ever.

wtf i love laboum now

>>74217738
but until twice does that, their trend is pointing down

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>>74217671
>this is the only true visual
Word

buh buh bagel man

>>74217772
>they've been going down since cheer up
my mistake, they've been trending down even longer than i thought

>>74217737
gotta love those crazy thais and their cellphone farms

>>74217761
>I elect to take one point of reference and extrapolate to predict a trend stretching infinitely into the future

>>74217772
dude, please. PLEASE post a different chart. These are so fucking bad and we established this days ago.

Hell, post a fucking bar graph of the sales. This is garbage

>>74217731
such a comfy show

>>74217736

dreamcatcher more like dreamflop

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>>74217609
>>74217679
absolutely based

>>74217797
im not predicting anything, the hard data shows it

you're the one predicting that they won't keep going down

>>74217797
>post their successful charts because i don't like it because it makes them looks bad

>>74217761
that doesn't mean they will always flop for now on. There was a big difference between Hoot comeback and The boys comeback.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60CUHKysfJE

>>74217823
some retard posts a shitty graph and all of a sudden you're all about the "hard data"

so who will be the new top gg once twice flops?

>>74217856
is the graph inaccurate?

>>74217860
gfriend

#MagicMetronome

>>74217808
>>74217860
>>74217860

hopefully apink

>twiceshitters so flustered they are reporting people now
sad

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>>74217871
this is very much encouraged, kudos, chingu

>>74217860

hopefully apink

>>74217844
i didnt say they would, im simply saying that as we stand today, they are trending downward

why is that so hard to accept/comprehend?

>>74217860
blackpink

the eve demo version
https://www.instagram.com/p/BXCfz6_AtJ6/

>>74217866
no, it's because it breaks their delusion

>>74217860
lovelyz

>>74217843
...are you that retarded? A bar graph would use the same data set, just not look like it's catering to down syndrome patients.

>>74217866
you tell me, can you even tell what numbers are being used, where they came from, when they stopped taking data? No? Oh, that's because it's a shit graph. We went over this days ago when it was first posted. It's garbage and you can't pick apart any of the numbers.

Notice how I'm not claiming the general trends it shows are wrong, I'm claiming the graph is composed badly and purposely avoids giving any actually useful information.

>>74217860
They don't exist yet. It would take some crazy unpredictable "happening" for one of the other established groups to shoot to the indisputable top. Example of a happening: bp actually releasing full albums, lmao literally unbelievable tier.

>>74217914
it's so fucking good

>>74217928
>muh delusions

seulgi is very not smart

>>74217928
the graph is clearly labeled dude...

like a what?

>>74217914
whatever whiny retard is singing needs to work on enunciation because for a second i thought he said pieces in the pussy instead of puzzle

>>74217914
truly the best song on the album

>>74217903
but that's not how it works. If they release another song and people love it will sell a lot. They're pretty new yet and they have no scandals. It's stupid to predict they will continue to fail.

>>74217914
why don't they release full audio clips of demo versions? i really want to hear lots of the demo versions of songs

>>74217946
lose some weight yeri

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>>74217904
They'll release 5 more songs in two years before YG releases a new GG from a competition and blackpink will disappear.

>>74217975
>It's stupid to predict they will continue to fail.
again, i didnt predict ANYTHING

are you ESL?

>>74217931
>It would take some crazy unpredictable "happening" for one of the other established groups to shoot to the indisputable top

gfriend used to be OMG tier till that one fancam went viral and EXID used to be one of the most nugu active goups in all of kpop before hani's fancam so anything can happen.

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who's your favourite cosmic, /kpg/?

>>74217985
shame, i actually like their songs

>>74217975
>they have no scandals
lol, tzuyu china taiwan, minabambam are not scandals.

>>74217975
a scandal is what saved them from flopping to begin with

>>74218012
taiwan was a scandal but mina-bambam was debunked

>>74217952
oh ok, so where were the sales numbers sourced from? How about any week's sales not in a magnitude of 10? What about the ending sales numbers? No? How about the date of compilation? Whether it's digital, physical, or both?

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>>74218000

>>74218020
they look better comfy together

and he said "they have no scandels"

>>74217993
>their trend is pointing down

that literally doesn't mean anything. If one of their most important members have left or if they were an old group, I would agree with you.

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>>74218000

>>74217997
Yeah, exactly. Red velvet is my favorite group, but I can't see them taking the top twice-comparable spot without a similar push. They have steady success and will always be near the top, but not at the tip and I'm okay with that.

I like twice and am enjoying watching what their career has been doing, though. I feel like only JYP himself can fuck it up.

>muh that's not the charts i wanted

>>74218042
>they look better comfy together
well the picture was debunked as photoshop due to bambam's sector of the picture being lifted from an official GOT7 photoshoot

>>74218047
>the fact that they have done worse
than their previous comeback each time means nothing
ok

>>74218028
do you not know how to read simple graphs or use common sense

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>>74218000
it's too difficult
as a purely carnal matter it's eunose

>>74218059
>muh oh that's a photoshop photo

>muh muh's

>>74217997
>gfriend used to be OMG tier till that one fancam went viral

That's not true. They were already very popular before that fancam.

>>74218034
>>74218051
nice

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>>74218109
it's blatant as fuck, mate. The individual hairs are even identical

>>74218129
jyp confirmed it was real

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>>74218104

>>74218126
that's got popular because of their lucky "slippery" accident

>>74218129
alright we're being messed with guys
just stop responding

bona is probably the prettiest

>>74218165
see >>74218150

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>>74218119
3 more days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__I6XSwr4eY
SOTY

>>74218188
>bp below apink
lmao

>>74218092
did you read the rest of my post? They are pretty new and nothing really serious happened that damaged the image of the group. They have everything to do better for years to come just like they can flop in their next comeback.

>>74218188
why is black pink so low? didnt they just comeback?

>>74217698
gfriend are no longer popular tho. hes got a point

>>74218206
that's exactly whats happening

>>74218176
oh wait my b, i thought the guy was implying the photo on the left was used to make the photo on the right when they're clearly not the same

>>74218188
>Red Velvet above EXO and BTS

what am I looking at?

>>74218154
BABE

>>74218234
brand recognition for july

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>>74218234
queens

>>74218210
they will comeback in a few days so we'll see.

>>74218234
>labouom above omg
>lovelyz/wjsn above gfriend
looks like it's just someone's preferences

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>>74218244
>july
cute

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>>74218210

>>74218255
https://twitter.com/girlgroupzone/status/891111494145855488

>>74218244
so nothing right? EXO and BTS are way more successful than RV in every way.

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quite cute

>>74218188
Dreamcatcher is above pristin

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>gfriend mentioned

>>74218273
>>74132905
madman lmao

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>>74218188

>33. Oh My Girl

>>74218273
umjiboy...

complex than the magazine
I hate me more than you hate me

It's 2017, when are we going to see a white girl in a kpop group?

>>74218292
that's pretty fucking bad dude

>>74217462
shit song, shit year for kpop

most of the good song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9sEjiBew18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6f-LLM1H6U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fJfxvAcBgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5wzkQvzp4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEYOyZVWlzs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahif51hqeA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP2PILSAwLs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKAi5cWHYDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfXZ6ydgZyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnROp2RyanM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCQpzHPYRUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5H-GvnNz2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utxtwyxwdqI

>>74218304
better than pisstin lul

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>>74218289
I don't follow

>>74218270
apparently not

amber is so damn dark

>>74218318
you're a madman

>>74218270
doesn't the brand recognition meme basically come down to the most number of internet searches

>>74218308
Hani was so fucking hot in Up&Down

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>'LOVE ME LOVE ME' is a disco style genre with an addictive refrain melody.

>>74218303
somi is white

>>74218338
banger confirmed

even if twice did fall off their perch, i don't see any other group being the next twice. they would just step back to the level of RV and BP and then there would be no top gg. but i don't see that happening any time soon

>>74217462
>>74218308
https://youtu.be/hfXZ6ydgZyo
https://youtu.be/Med2XipHJJM
https://youtu.be/qEYOyZVWlzs
https://youtu.be/NCQpzHPYRUc
https://youtu.be/oTXCgR93zC8
https://youtu.be/q_eo5j5sib8
https://youtu.be/6tK0XUQQ3wA
https://youtu.be/iv-8-EgPEY0
https://youtu.be/wqiEAod0LYI
https://youtu.be/Q33SoblaZbU
https://youtu.be/YpatVVhT-Io

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kEQ_hojLrA

Holy shit, its happening!!!!

>>74218273
>>74218289
>>74218318
based

>>74218338
you'd think other groups would be trying to avoid wanna one

Koreans are the most racist race on the planet.

>>74218308
short hair is so fucking good

>>74217928
>can you even tell what numbers are being used, where they came from, when they stopped taking data?
it's official sales of their singles from gaon, the y axis is sales and the x weeks

>>74218158
They became more popular after that but they were already very popular with MGT. It's not like they were nugus before that fancam.

>>74218351

maybe girls generation will regain the throne

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>>74218365

>>74218034
wordito

>>74218365
yet here we are

>>74218308
>all them AoA hits hits
2014 was definitely their year

>>74218270
their fandoms are bigger but rv's singles have always been more popular barring exo's old hits

what's the most p4k kpop album?

>>74218381
cute cubuggo

>>74218092
knock knock and signal were still very successful by any other gg's standards though. that they weren't as big as tt doesn't mean they're trending down, it's just that tt and cheer up were such massive songs that the bar was set unreasonably high. no group can come out with nothing but tt-level hits, but they'll probably have more going forward, with signal-level hits in between

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>>74218355
>uri jibe wae wanni
>wae wanni
>wae wanni
my man

>>74218191
i only listen to this to have Cathy scold me

>>74218398
>exo's old hits
actually just growl

>>74218393
>Miniskirt single
>Short Hair mini
>Like a Cat mini
all in one year, it really was impressive

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post a pic where you're waifu/guyfu is in the background

>>74218398
>RV singles are more popular than new EXO singles

cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn now

>>74218440
impressively bad

>>74218439
banger

1) me gustas tu is a top 5 kpop bop of all time

2) moonbyul's shitty rapping and awkward english ruined every single mamamoo song

3) yeri has a fridge body

4) i think i have dust mite allergies

>>74218449
have you seen their digitals? they suck, exo only has 1 song thats better than RVs average and thats growl

>>74218470
I agree with all 4.

>>74218446
>husbando
chingu please don't

>>74218470
>yeri has a fridge body
i dont believe you, post it so I can see

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>>74218470

>allergies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI_2v_yCAcU

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>>74218470
I can't comment on the last one, but I agree with one of the other 3.
and it's definitely not 2.

>>74218470
>2) moonbyul's shitty rapping and awkward english ruined every single mamamoo song
word but also solar's screeching and the fact that you can practically see that punchable expression on hwasa's face every time she gets a line

>>74218308
you forgot a ton of stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFgv8bKfxEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRY0Dk9avck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJhZCQMEc68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRQEs4vOIrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLw2pnZEKeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D15-XYRubsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhF63H1xRJI

>>74218484
kpg is an inclusive space
unless you avatar, in which case fuk off

>>74218449
i feel guilty for salesshitting so much itt but it's true
>monster 830,155+
>lotto 433,633+

>russian roulette 1,487,816+
>rookie 1,092,987+

>>74218440
its bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWfEkErq9Pg

>>74218546
now compare the concerts and album sales

>>74218481
well it seems that you're right. I didn't know EXO digitals were so bad. But RV average sales is not Growl total sales.

>>74218522
QTOTY

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>>74218446

>>74218527
>Implies solar can't sing
I guess you haven't seen any other girl group lol

>>74218562
who's the niglet

>>74218555
their fandoms are way way bigger but for "brand recognition", how much the public cares about them, it makes sense since rv's songs are more widely listened

>>74218548

meant for >>74218500

>>74218576
brand recognition is the most useless thing in all of kpop

>>74218572
his name is kai

Do boygroups have very bad digital sales or this is just an EXO thing?

>>74218555
you know he was talking about popularity and not fandom dedication right?

just admit you got btfo and move on

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>"YG Strategy Center" will be a reality show based of YG Entertainment
>Showcasing how artists, planners, marketers, staffs, etc work tgt.

>tfw you read kpg and wonder if people here really like kpop at all

You guys fight about literally everything

Is Bigbang the edgiest kpop group of all time?

>>74218588
idiot

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>>74218572
silento
aka. the "watch me whip, watch me nae nae" guy

>>74218592
boygroup thing, fangirls tend to buy physical versions

>>74218592
only yg boygroups have good digitals

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5) Sluggo a shit

6) Shyrene best velvet

>>74218598
its because they love kpop that they argue
love gives birth to the most wild and passionate of all emotions

>>74218600
They are not edgy at all, that would be 2ne1

>>74218470
1 is wrong and 4 isn’t a real thing

seolhyun gets a giant home but chanmi is going to have to move back in with her broke mom

>>74218595
If red velvet is so popular why are they having a concert for only 3k people? Why isn't red velvet touring asia like exo has? I can't believe there are people would try to compare red velvet to exo.

>>74218587
i dunno, as a girlgroup it seems useful since they make most of their money from endorsements

>>74218588
kys

>>74218598
we actually don't like it

>>74218528
2014 was the last year where debuts were good.

>>74218592
boygroups in general have been doing worse and worse on the digital charts, i think it's actually a downward trend

>>74218629
hmm gee maybe because exo was created specifically to split off and gather as much of Asia as possible by singing in Mandarin

>>74218655
>gee
good song

>>74218630
No it's not unless you think lovelyz is a top tier group and everyone knows that's wrong

https://www.soompi.com/2017/05/27/may-idol-group-brand-reputation-rankings-revealed/

1. TWICE
2. BTS
3. Lovelyz
4. BLACKPINK
5. SEVENTEEN
6. SECHSKIES
7. LABOUM
8. EXO
9. Red Velvet
10. Apink

>>74218629
concerts have nothing to do with general popularity and everything to do with fandom size

exo selling literally half of red velvet’s digital numbers means they are approximately half as popular in the real world

>>74218629
it was an insecure exoshitter that started the comparison

>>74218653
that's a shame, this year especially had lots of good releases

>>74218666
So you're going to base popularity on just digital singles and 'brand recognition' aka the most useless stat for kpop fans to circlejerk over?

>>74218592
it's usually lower than girlgroups, i guess since mostly girls listen to gaypop while both girls and guys listen to girlpop
back in the day b2st and some other groups besides bigbang had really big hits but the new gen seems less popular for the public to listen

>>74218629
>RV singles are more popular than EXO singles
>no they aren't
>yes they are heres proof
>y-y-yeah well what about concerts huh? haha RVshitters btfo
jesus christ

>>74218664
everyone meaning just you, right?

>>74218594
it was all downhill from here

>>74218685
gaypoppers are embarrassing

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Choerry bomb feel it yum

Where can I buy Kpop with bitcoins?

>>74218664
>laboum at 7th
based

>>74218664
>laboum over exo
sajaegi really does work

eclipse > love cherry motion > singing in the rain

tzubdbh

>>74218709
I thought that scandal with the store buying all their albums ruined them

>>74218562
our braves on the left, Ravi looking pervily towards Sowon? And surprise park boram on the right?

>>74218645
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rtV5esQT6I

you were saying?

Money/Fanbase >>>> meaningless popularity. Prove me wrong.

>>74218716
I'd put love cherry motion last
But you're right, eclipse is the best of the 3

>>74218729
twice is the single worst thing to happen to kpop

>>74218702
reveluvs are gaypoppers though

>>74218733
i can word this.

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>>74218724
>Ravi looking pervily
that's just his face

>>74218609
ohhh samuel is luckier than i realized
dem noonas

>still cant count out the fact that she is a hapa from a wmaf relationship. it really disgusted me when her dad squeezed her butt-cheeks on national television.
word

>>74218739
nope, thats gfriend

>>74218745
apparently not, you can stop saying that now

>>74218733
popularity means easy money if you can turn it into cfs tho

>>74218733
It's true. That's why groups like girls day are basically dead despite being popular.

>>74218768
why is that?

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YO, NICE SKIRT

>>74218776
girls day just extended their contracts tho and they're rich af

>>74218784
worst post in the entire thread

>>74218763
Link to the video

>>74218784
and so it begins

>>74218768
because they are responsible for ushering in the current purepop era

>>74218792
>he thinks girls day is richer than exo

alright i see what that guy meant, i'm going to stop posting gfriend

>Booming system uh uh! TY track, TY track

Really fires up those neurons

thirsty was a goodass song

>>74217443
first tom brady now curry, wtf?

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>>74218784
yo, nice ears

>>74218792
Girls day as a kpop group doesn't do anything, no concerts, no performances, super short promotions. They're rich now but they barely do anything music related

>>74218816
She pays them to take a pic with her

remembering that post describing pcy's pimples in great detail still makes me laugh desu

>>74218834
>laughing at your own post
>telling everyone you laughed at your own post

>>74218806
we're not their accountant so who knows, but hyeri might be
why are we comparing the two anyway? one is a gg from a little company, another is sm's biggest gaypop going rn

>>74218834
the picture made me vomit

why do groups put their mv in more than one channel?

>>74218805
apink did that

>>74218833
that's not true

>>74218851
only nugus do that

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i used to hate on exo but then i saw their baby pictures...

>>74218859
nctdreamshitter please leave

>says he's a straight guy
>he doesn't like purepop

hmmm

>>74218859
what did they mean by this

>>74218864
it's the pedorat

>>74218830
that's true, the same happened to exid too and it kinda sucks for fans but i guess it counts as success from the group's point of view

>>74218831
what?

>>74218870
straight =/= pedophile

last for exo a shit and wanna one runs kpop

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>>74218873
hyung did nothing wrong

i wish older ggs would do concepts like closer

>>74218913
>wanting old groups to do pedo concepts

>>74218888
are you saying that all the people who liked early SNSD, Gfriend and Apink are pedos?

>>74218933
yes

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wtf i love baby chen now

>>74218892
word at first i was only interested to see what impact they would have but the mv teasers actually have me excited now

>>74218940
wtf

>>74218879
Both Girls Day and Hyeri on her own are on the list
I was confused too

>>74218948
>>74218948
>>74218948
new

I want this thread to hit a thousand replies.

>>74218940
love adult chen instead you idiot

>>74218922
milf concepts that sound like closer

>>74218939
wow rude