/classical/

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>General Folder #1. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical. Also contains a folder of live recordings/recitals by some outstanding performers.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
>General Folder #2. Mostly Romantic up to 20th century/modern, but also includes recordings of music by Bach, Mozart and others
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
>General Folder #3. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
>General Folder #4. Renaissance up to early/mid-20th century. Also contains a folder of Scarlatti sonate and another live recording/recital folder.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
>General Folder #5. Renaissance up to late 19th century
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
>General Folder #6. Very eclectic mix
https://mega.co.nz/#F!O8pj1ZiL!mAfQOneAAMlDlrgkqvzfEg
>General Folder #7. Too lazy to write up a description for this, but it has a little of everything
https://mega.nz/#F!pWR0zABY!xCwF1rEfXiyEy5HuhTDP0Q
>General Folder #8. The beautiful, elegant, intelligent anon who made this, added a little of everything in here. There's a lot of Deutsche Gramophone recordings too.
https://mega.nz/#F!DlRSjQaS!SzxR-CUyK4AYPknI1LYgdg
>Renaissance Folder #1. Mass settings
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
>Renaissance Folder #2. Motets and madrigals (plus Leiden choirbooks)
https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
>Debussy. There is an accompanying chart, available on request.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
>Opera Folder. Contains recorded video productions of about 10 well-known operas, with a bias towards late Romantic
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
>Random assortment of books on music theory and composition, music history etc.
https://mega.nz/#F!HsAVXT5C!AoFKwCXr4PJnrNg5KzDJjw

Stravinsky visited this thread.

>>73511094
nah he probably listens to nu metal or radiohead.

Classical listeners tend to look like total normies

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Where i can get that beautiful album?

>>73511094
Everyone knows fedoras listen to metal and rock.

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xth for being so tired you want to kill yourself
also xth for I. [without tempo indication]

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So /classical/, do you believe in God?

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>>73511077
> these guys wrote these timeless masterpieces before age 25 while I am wasting my life on 4chan

https://classicalmusiconly.com/list/masterpieces-written-before-the-age-of-25-ea605b30

>>73512416
>Mozart
>masterpiece

lol?

>>73512217
Not in the slightest, scientific method and rational doubt are my ways.

That said, to the masses a rejection of God would equally be a belief, just one lacking any moral bearing. Making perversion acceptable is opening Pandora's box.

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>merkel
>the pope
>furtwängler cd box set = pretty good taste
>fuck

>>73512655
what's in the box, beethoven symphonies?

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>>73512614

>>73512733
https://www.discogs.com/de/Wilhelm-Furtw%C3%A4ngler-Das-Verm%C3%A4chtnis-The-Legacy/release/4463393

look up more images for tracklist.

pretty much everything essential.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ol6Oj21W5A

>>73512655
>What's this nazi shit doing on my desk?

>>73513014
>A gift from the Fifth Reich

>>73512416
>boohoo i'm not one of the greatest geniouses on earth
why would you even expect to be?

>>73512918
goddamn how i hate this jingle

>>73512655
>hi pope here's sum music someone told me to give u
>thx 4 da sentiment
>np
>however, I'm too busy little the feet of disgusting third-worlders, advocating to let them come in do their rapey stuff in Europe, contributing absolutely nothing of value
>so we are on the same page, herr francis?
>*chuckles with innocent baby smile*
>make sure they get a good angle, keep smiling. photographer, yeah you pathetic white privilege, make sure you get ze fucking boxset in the picture

what edition of /classical/ is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRHZu5xoIe0

>>73513628
/shit/

best composer of the 20th century?
was it /shostakovich/ ?
protip: ye

>>73514219
Hans Zimmer

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>>73512217
Yes, I'd rather surrender my weak individualism for the community and trust in God, an ultra-just power that offers life, our prime desire, to all.

also
>argerich qt

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>>73514426
>ywn be Nelson Freire to whisper naughty things in Argerich's ear

>>73514219
James Spader if he was a girl

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>>73514638

>>73514695
Yeah, kinda like that. This is my fetish

>>73514773
Is your personality type B?

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>>73514805
pls no bully

>>73514426
>you will never hug young Martha Argerich
ffs

>>73515969
Your hope will prolly come true.

>>73512217
not at all

>>73512217
hail satan

>>73511077
https://youtu.be/IBnq3ZGgj3A
Franz Liszt, Romance oublie, viola and piano

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she cannot tell a lie

>>73516675
who's the mother?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YszmEsvI6h8
/thread

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>>73516712

>>73512217
It depends what you mean by 'believe', and it depends what you mean by 'God'.

>>73516815
Fuck off. Never gave you any reason not to trust me.

>>73512217
believe it or not, my IQ is greater than 20, so no.

>>73516938
Why are you so angry?

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>write something that makes me a little excited
>realize it's a Mozart melody I'm transcribing from memory but worse
Every time, the bastard makes it sound so easy

>>73517106
>people that listen to Mozart are actually talentless wannabe plagiarizers

pottery

>>73517106
maybe you're a more patrician artist than you are a listener so you cant appreciate your own work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcsZcbaCxTI
I like this. Now how do I figure out what I'm hearing?

>>73517232
>Lizst
>Argepoor

>>>/r/eddit

>>73517043
That's the way I express my heavenly bliss.

>>73513578
imagine being this cucked

>>73514426
But then you are not a true believer are you?

>>73517297
che cosa

>>73517307
Godspeed, mate.

Enough about meme performances.

What performances in the last 5 years have you enjoyed?

>>73517768
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb33Bsyt7N4

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>>73517768

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>>73517768

>>73514219
Schoenberg, Bartok, Stravinsky and arguably Prokofiev were all better composers than Shostakovich.

There's nothing wrong with him being your favorite 20th century composer but claiming he was the best is downright ridiculous.

What's the opinion on John Adams here?

>>73518408
John Cooalidge Adams?

>>73518425
>roastie
Otherwise she's pretty alright. I'd prefer it if her bush were a bit fuller, though.

>>73518445
Yes, indeed.

>>73518425
Milena is the superior metartfu

but after all is said and done, you're gonna be the lonely one ohh!!

Historical recordings of Beethoven's piano sonatas worth listening to besides Solomon?

>>73520494
Schnabel ofc.

Aside from that... early Kempff and Yves Nat.

Any Cesare Negri fans here? Just listened to Le Gratie d'Amore.

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>>73520494
YUDINA
U
D
I
N
A

>>73520600
Best Hammerklavier third movement ever desu

>>73518425
That's one disgusting looking vagina.

>>73518425
her vagina looks like a panting dog's mouth

>>73521259
>>73521274
To be fair that's unfortunately what most vaginas look like.

>>73521436
ew I'll stick with boypussy [vid related]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQX2XqAE8c

>>73521466
Ass pussy is definitely the best pussy

>>73521466
where's your anime img?

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>>73521537

>>73521562
rip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pins1y0XAa0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaJ46lLIVmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs
hail s8in, ave s8in
this is /classical/ satanic edition thread now
t. satan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJNNJTRD1GQ
why was Wagner indisputably the best composer ever?

>>73514219
Why does Shostakovich get so much love and hate?

>>73521749
i dunno but i'd wager 2 guess it's coz he's the best and haters gon' hate da goat

>>73520494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzSSDIG4fC0

Serious question: Do you think someone with an IQ below 100 can be a great performer, composer, or conductor?

>>73521887
Nope. 110-120 at a minimum. IQ sucks at measuring genius, but it's great at measuring idiocy.

>>73521887
>great performer
Sure, plenty of stupid singers.

For composers and conductors it's a lot harder to say. I personally can't think of any idiots amongst the more famous of conductors, and I can only really think of Bruckner and a few others as being "uneducated," but it doesn't necessarily mean they would've done poorly on an IQ test.

>>73521887
Most of them are probably at 100 already lol

Is this a good version of Pathetique?
It's the one on YouTube with the most views, right above Barenboim. Also, thoughts on Barenboim in general? I have a collection of him performing Beethoven's piano concertos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO8yfBLNVjU

>>73520494
pianists not listed yet:
edwin fischer
vladimir sofronitsky
walter gieseking (his early stuff is better)
myra hess
wilhelm backhaus
rudolf serkin
eduard erdmann
harold bauer
frederic lamond

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This got released recently, I though /classical/ might like it. Seems kind of pointless for the first couple tracks but it gets real comfortable starting at #3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoJKpE165_w

>>73523130
nope

>>73520494
who gives a shit? get a life

or better yet, instead listen to better composers, like bach or mozart

>>73524418
Wow, that was rude. I'm never coming back here again.

>>73524711
fuck off and stay on reddit

>>73524727
You made a little girl cry today. Are you happy, sir?

>>73524418
>>73524727
wtf

>>73524767
psyduck is my favorite pokemon

>>73512217
Yes.

>>73514219
It was Britten.

>>73516712
Von Bingen

>>73512217
Hopefully all the people responding 'No' are either baiting or too young to have any value to their opinions

>>73521887
Someone of that IQ could probably be a minimalist.

>>73521887
Beethoven had a low IQ and that didn't stop him

>>73524750
>little girl

4chan is 18 +.

>>73525077
>4chan is 18 +.
xD

>>73525017
how would you know that? IQ tests weren't developed until the early 20th century in France homeboy.

>>73525302
>how would you know that?
Can easily be assumed by listening to his music, or even looking at his face

>>73524979
you'd have to be pretty stupid to entertain the idea

>>73517106
I don't even understand how you could accidentally do that. It would sound like a distinct throwback if you wrote something based on Mozart. It just seems unlikely anyone would transcribe a classical work by accident because its not in a contemporary milieu

>>73512655
http://www.wqxr.org/story/pope-reveals-his-tastes-classical-music/

>>73517232
>how do I figure out what I'm hearing?
find the score on imslp.org

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>>73525343

>>73525800
Pope wants to modernise the Church yet is still stuck, musically, in the past.

>>73525388
If only you knew what stupidity actually entails

I believe in God, if by God you mean B E E T H O V E N and the holy trinity as beethoven bach and, and... B A R T O K

can you guise recommend me some classical guitar works?

>>73525388
So true. This, dear sirs.
*fixes fedora upon head*
*patiently awaits for upboats and karma*

>>73526239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNPISJbGGAo

>>73525800
>claims to be an opera lover but prefers Mozart's masses to his operas
>prefers La Strada to Nights of Cabiria
Plen

in another era, Varg would have been a Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzdvlZF22ec

>>73526272
thanks

>>73526441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWTpdOPAZDw
that is the closest thing to "classical guitar" that is bearable. actual classical guitar is awful, idk what anyone would sit through it. just my opinion.

>>73526272
opeth is sweet, but this is closer to folk/rock music. patterns in the ivy is actually closer to a classical guitar piece.

here is some "legit" classical guitar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzZ576dG9Js
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZwr1gZ9y3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyh4f98dWfs
closer to a classical hybrid sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIocCvVQi9U

>>73526494
I'm new to classical guitar stuff, I didn't know it was so lowly regarded but I'll give it a shot still

>>73526523
I mean you can always look to different standards and see if you like those, pieces like Greensleeves etc. Try learning a few simplified versions if you play. Maybe I'm the wrong person to ask because it just ain't good to me.

What is /classical/'s official stance on the Well Tempered Clavier? And when is he going to drop Part Three? This gets my girl's panties wet.

jk - I don't have a girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlXDJhLeShg&t=6735s

>>73525866
I tried that and I lost my place somewhere in the second movement.
I also had no idea what I was reading.
Do I have to decompile the pages to jpegs, annotate them, then put them back together?

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>>73526806
>What is /classical/'s official stance on the Well Tempered Clavier
It's great. I listen to both books every weekend - pic related.

>>73526838
You could use something like Adobe Acrobat DC to edit the PDFs if you really wanted to. Or print them out and do it the old fashioned way.

>>73526849
sweet, is that your favorite version of it - by schiff? I've listened to a ton of beethoven but hardly any bach and mozart and really want to explore bach in depth. there's so much material it is overwhelming. believe me, I'm more grateful than disappointed, of course, but I would like to really get familiar with his main "meme" pieces if you will before I get disoriented with so much.

Who was the best performer of all of the great composers? Were there any notoriously bad players who were still great composers?

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>>73526897
Yep that's my favorite version. He's a wonderful player of Bach.
His 2011 set is here:
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4248214

Personally I always skip Prelude No 1 from the first book though - I've heard it more than enough.

Favourite version of Art of Fugue?

>>73526973
Awesome. Thank you kind sir.

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>>73526973
I would probably substitute the Walcha organ works for pic related.
How do people compare Walcha v Richter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Rxf_MzOkg

>>73527021
It's a contested subject, people tend to have their own favorite. Mine is the most recent Musica Antiqua Koln one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqXZtGyFyDo

But others prefer piano-only versions like Koroliov. Hewitt's recent recording is also pretty decent.

Avoid any Emerson string quartet versions and you should be good.

>>73526876
>proprietary software
I found a neat tool xournal that lets me apparently take notes on top of PDFs, but even this doesn't tell me why the horns add a D to their C minor chord in response to the strings' unison thing, and I haven't even gotten to the piano yet.

>>73527153
because there are some damn transposing instruments in there.
Why do transposing instruments exist? We already have C trumpets; why can't they use a slightly narrower bore on clarinets to make them sound C instead of Bb?

Are trills the equivalent to some guitar hero wanking and tapping the fretboard to tastelessly show off?

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I can't believe I just listened to this today for the first time
What else am I missing desu

>>73527268
Mindless Arpeggios are the equivalent of that. Trills can actually be tasteful and usually only include 2 notes.

I never hear major 9th chords in classical. To me these colorful chords sound very dreamy and ethereal outside of a cheesy jazz context.
see 1:03 and 1:10 below for a DMaj9 with open high and low E strings ringing open with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBJETgfFWaI

I took a music appreciation class for a humanities req and it sucked balls. Maybe like 5% was devoted to the Western canon. the rest was world music, and jazz, and indigenous gobbledy-gook. Makes me wonder if the cultural marxists will eventually wipe out classical altogether and replace it with hip hop dance classes or something gay like that. On a related note I visited my parents and we put on the music channels on their t.v. --- to my surprise and chagrin there was NO classical. like that is what people put on for these music channels, no? they have adult alternative, hindi, bollywood, all this ethnic crap, 10 different kinds of rock, trance, electronic, 5 different jazz channels, an easy listening which was mostly jazz and soundtracks, and NOT ONE classical channel. wtf is up with that? is tv just for proles or is this a concerted effort to wipe out what is clearly a white cultural remnant which reminds others of their inferiority and that Europe and European nations were never multicultural?

>>73527839
is this a new pasta?

>>73527980
nope I just wrote it.

>be me
>fall for boypussy meme
>get grids
>find out my condition way after
>full blown aids
>2 to 5 yrs left to live
Do you think I can listen to all of Bach's output before I die?

>>73528177
RIP in piece anon. You should have time for a bit.

>>73528177
Yeah of course, easily.

>>73527343
Try Livia Rev's recording

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>>73522235
>Valentina lisitsa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoKZlcidbms
Something I was watching. Seeing the recording process is interesting since I'll never experience it myself.

Mozart (underrated)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lBXTWSKBIA

>>73527839
American TV has classical and light classical TV channels. Must suck living in a crappy third world country.

>>73529184
PAINFUL
that section is so natural, but he's trying to forcibly sing everything 'accurately' instead of just feeling it. Overthinking it, but sometimes people struggle with 'natural' playing, especially if its not natural to them. Often takes sitting down with the composer or conductor or listening to a recording to 'get' it.

>>73529437
Bernie was so pissed that it must have made the pressure unbearable. Most studio footage I've seen shows the engineer giving a lot more input but that dude got snapped at too.

>>73526523
see >>73517894

>>73527654
Bach uses major 9th chords all the time.

Favourite Beethoven piano sonatas outside of 5, 8, 14, 21, 23, and 32?

Post your favourite recordings, too.

>>73526414
this is just not good.
why doesn't he make black metal anymore? yknow, the music he actually excels at.

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>>73527839

>>73527839
It's not because of "da cultchurawl markcissts", it's just that people are stupid and don't like classical music anymore. Also you live in a weird place if there's no classical channel on the TV or radio.

I want to become a professional performer of medieval/early renaissance music
how do i do this bros

>>73531049
Learn to read sheet music, practice singing or get a singing teacher.
After a year or two join an early music ensemble.

>>73524979
>if you don't agree with my system of ideas, you are either insincere or not mentally developed enough
>being this retarded

No one will miss you when you die.

>>73531319
Reddit detected.

>>73531335
>Reddit detected.
>Not even reddit
>worst detective

No one will miss you when you die.

>>73531370
t. Reddit

>>73531335
>>73531377
why are you so obsessed with reddit?

>>73531383
Why are you?

>>73531389
im not

>>73531406
Same.

>>73531377
>Still clings to "reddit"
>Muh faith

No one will miss you when you die.

>>73531416
right, you just call everyone you don't like reddit

>>73531423
Well said, my good sir. I tip my hat to you.

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>>73531423
So this.... is the power.... of reddit...

>>73531447
k

Someone please rec me some good, non-entry level baroque composers

>>73531546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z7kXl_etuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKT76GWaN_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY16l7AIXFY

>>73530500
Please respond. I won't leave until you respond.

>>73531546
Zelenka, Bohm, Bruhns, Buxtehude, Gaultier, Sweelinck, Muthel, Soler, Kapsberger, Froberger, Weckman, I could go on.

Up to you whether any are ``entry-level'', but they definitely deserve more screen time in this ITT.

What choral work is better than Requiem by Faure?

>>73532468
Liszt.

>>73532742
goat fauré, manly fauré
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QV2ADmf1o

>>73530500
20

do i buy?

https://www.amazon.com/Wagner-Met-Legendary-Performances-Metropolitan/dp/B00AL6SM0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498236617&sr=8-1&keywords=Wagner+at+The+Met

ok /classical/, if i've listened to every mozart and wagner opera, what comes next?

>>73533262
it's probably more fun to find which versions to listen to on your own, but if you want something easy, i suppose, sure

Point us towards the right violinist for Beethoven's violin sonatas?

Besides Haskil, who else performs the Mozart piano concertos most beautifully?

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egg on your face

>>73533591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PMZXXhIzPQ
Szigeti

>>73533986
What's up with the crossed L?

>>73533708
i have the ash-can-nazi collection (ashkenazy) which suits me just fine. dk about most beautiful doe

>>73533708
Geza Anda.

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What's his endgame?

>>73533262
good performances, but truly terrible sound on just about all of the Ring ones, just FYI. the Rheingold is probably the best sounding ones of that bunch. the Gotterdammerung is unlistenable, even the legendary cast doesn't make me want to sit through it.

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Klemps is just so great, and this is the best Beethoven symphony.

>>73534616
get shot

>>73533428
Gluck, Verdi, Bartok, Ligeti

https://youtu.be/OTRexu5CIL8

Where can I find this version?
It's so beautiful.

>>73514219
My favs are stravinsky, part, britten and shostakovich (also maurice jarre) in that order.

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who another timbre here

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>Concerto for Orchestra

Why is Liszt considered reddit again?

>>73536513
Too much flash over substance

>>73536513
Because most people (morons) think his works end at his virtuoso showpieces.

>>73536513
>>73537099
Liszt's music is the definition of pretension: assuming they have more worth than they actually have.

>>73536449
I never understand what that's even supposed to mean. There are some nice pieces with the title though.

>>73537163
t. Stockhausen lover

I wanted to write a rant on how overrated Mahler is, but this post encompasses it quite nicely:
https://www.gramophone.co.uk/forum/general-discussion/mahler-mahler-everywhere-why

What's your opinion on Mahler? The more I listen to it, the more I feel like it replicates Tchaikovsky's wrongs without some of his rights. I will never understand why so many people put his symphonies above Beethoven's, or any other for that matter; to me it's just overdrawn incidental music.

Are Rimski-Korsakov's operas worth listening to?
I know some of the themes from Sadko and The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh which I really like, but I hesitate listening to the whole things since I'm not too much into opera.

>>73537404
>but this post encompasses it quite nicely
Really? It doesn't even talk about his scores. Astonishingly lazy criticism, based on lazy listening. To the OP's credit, he does accurately state that Mahler is overplayed by conductors who should be nowhere near his music.

>the more I feel like it replicates Tchaikovsky's wrongs without some of his rights
Such as? They didn't even compose in comparable styles - well, aside from a superficial point one can make about their extroverted nature. If anything you should be drawing a comparison to Wagner or Schubert.

>>73537634
>instead you should be drawing a comparison to the most important composers of the romantic era

Calm down rabbi

I just got into this kind of music
Is Wagner good?

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>>73537697
>Schubert
>romantic era

>>73537634
In the sense that one might have enjoyed their works more if they were the score of a summer flick, and the more you listen to them, the less there's to enjoy. Tchaikovsky is at least fun and has many enjoyable tunes and shorter pieces. Mahler also seems more bearable outside of his dreadful symphonies as well, though.

>>73537727
yea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvDraXJjyfI

>>73537757
Well, when it comes to this type of criticism, all I can really say is that I feel the opposite way about his works.

I'm gonna go back to whacking my meat to Touhou doujins now.

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>>73537757
>unironically using the word dreadful

>>73537727
only parsifal
anyone that recommends you anything else is probably trying to kill you

stay vigilant

>>73538067
How do you feel about the KanColle craze? Do you think it will eventually overtake 2hu as the go-to doujin series?

>>73538190
It's cashing in on the mobage trend that's really popular in Japan right now. I think I also saw a rumor that Kantai heads were paying particular doujin artists to draw their characters. Not sure if that's true or not, but it'd be good marketing if it was.

Touhou fans are too autistic to be dethroned, though.

>>73538090
Parsifal will bore him to death.

>>73537404
Absolutely overrated, if he'd have been born 100 years earlier it'd be revolutionary, but it was just because he was such a successful conductor that his music got programmed. A bit like Bernstein in that respect

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>>73538380
>but it was just because he was such a successful conductor that his music got programmed

Except the only critically successful symphonies in his lifetime were the 2nd and 8th, and it was only thanks to the reverence other relevant composers held for him (Schoenberg, Webern, Berg, Britten, Shostakovich, Boulez, Maderna, Honegger, Zemlinsky, Copland, Weill, Eisler, Berio, etc. etc.), and the championship of so many conductors during the first half of the 20th century (Mengelberg, Walter, Rosbaud, Scherchen, Kubelik, Stokowski, Horenstein, Fried, Schuricht, Boult, Meyrowitz, van Kempen, Mitropoulos, etc. etc.) that he eventually became thoroughly recognized not just by connoisseurs, but by the greater public. Say whatever you want of his music, and the music which he influenced, but he undoubtedly had a very major effect on many key-figures of the 20th century, and without that influence, you cannot simply pretend as if everything would've been the same. Thus, Bernstein is a bad comparison. How many relevant and successful composers - heard and respected on a comparable scale as the ones mentioned above - can claim Bernstein as a major influence? I can tell you right now that not *one* of them comes close to the number of performances that Shostakovich has received, putting aside public recognition (as that would be an embarrassing wash)

Call his music overrated all you like, but it's objectively a fact that he helped shape a major part of the 20th century, and I would at least give him partial "revolutionary" credit for that.

>>73537634
I like Schubert, and while I get what you mean in them sharing certain qualities (I often feel like his music tends to wander about with little purpose), I also find it to be a lot more enjoyable and not quite as "shapeless", if that's a thing.

I think Bruckner would be a better (and less distant) composer to compare Mahler too--and, again, I feel like there's no symphony of Mahler's that comes close in terms of elegance to Bruckner's 4th. I'll admit, however, that I've yet to listen to some of Bruckner's symphonies.

>>73537754
I don't know what the fuck you're onto, Schubert is often considered an early romantic composer.

>>73538918
It's kind of funny seeing Webern gush like a school girl in such a romantic fashion like that.

I always figured him as an objectivist autist from his music desu

>>73538983
thats a weird school girl lol

>>73530500
29

>>73538982
>Schubert is often considered an early romantic composer.
"Attempts to look upon Schubert as a herald of the Romantic era are not convincing; in the final count he must be placed among the Classical composers. It is true that formal grace and balance in his compositions are often sacrificed to the exuberance of his imagination, but Romanticism is not the tendency to distort or modify Classical forms, but to dispense with them; and this Schubert was incapable of doing. Except the Fourth Symphony, none of his works bears a title of his own bestowing, none carries a programme, none is labelled with extra-musical hints. On the contrary - and the point has been made - his mature work grows more conventional."

>>73538982
why do morons believe that Schubert was even remotetly romantic when everything until his death was thoroughly classical in style

fucking wikipedia speedreaders who dont actually analyze the music i swear

>>73539129
Hi CLT

>>73539129
>>73539162
He's considered a transitional figure by virtually everyone, sorry to trigger your autism.

>>73539292
*by morons

>>73539162
>>73539329
by the way, Beethoven was the first Romantic composer

>>73539448
he was also a transwoman of color and invented jazz

>>73539467
is there anything he couldn't do?

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>clarinet concerto

>>73539483
he couldnt clean his room

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>>73538982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94CyeU1lxb4

Here's a favey

>>73539491
What are you trying to imply?

>>73531335
Can't handle people disagreeing with him, so just calls them reddit...

>>73539483
get a girlfriend

>>73539678
This is the most Reddit post I've seen all year.

>>73539683
>>73539703
>>73539678
Why don't you faggots fuck already?

>>73511077
recommend me a piece no longer than 3m30s

>>73524979
>>73524843
>>73516954
>>73516815
>>73516282
>>73516108
>>73514426
>>73512621
>>73512217
see >>73511094

>>73537477
bumpin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61GQ6SdlCio

>>73539603
Nice; thanks, anon. I got Furtwangler's and (I believe) a couple recordings by Karajan and Bernstein. I also saw this get uploaded today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuhhEoW0h38

What versions does /classical/ recommend?

>>73539793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZGPak1GQcA

>>73527268
No that would be Liszt, not trills.

>>73539703
ok kiddo.

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>>73527268
No they are a really shitty incompetent way of transitioning to a desired key.

Stop bullying Chopin

>>73540380
ah fuck I meant glissando. Okay still

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yE3Dz0-koA

But what does being required to play it as gaily as possible have to do with the artistry at hand? I still thoroughly enjoy this piece, granted not having heard more than a few pieces here and there.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_2OnhEB-8E
This is the best version of Machaut's Notre Dame Mass. Finally something that doesn't have that clean and modern polished le classical sound.

>>73538190
Kancolle is already reclining

This is very avant garde.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08Zsaldocc

>>73541502
this kind of me want to die

https://leonardbernstein.com/lectures/writings/the-truth-about-a-legend-glenn-gould

is this a good book to learn theory?

https://www.amazon.com/Tonal-Harmony-B-Music/dp/0078025141/

>>73542822
Yeah that's the one I started with in high school, Laitz covers the same and more though and I think it's cheaper

Grieg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayjhDABpJ0

>>73539835
If you're going to at least link a comment then don't delete it immediately afterwards.

>>73531049
Get a vocal teacher or go to school for that. Do the same as others who go into classical voice.

>>73531423
So *burp* true. God isn't real, Anon. Gotta pull that band aid off, *burp* Anon.

>>73544127
How did they march with a piano?

>>73533428
Offenbach, Beethoven's Fidelio, Strauss, Grieg's Peer Gynt, Donizetti

>>73533708
Horowitz and Curzon

>>73539644
That those are good obviously.

>>73544248
A piano with wheels.

Petzold

Clara Iannotta

>>73545328
Leave.

What's a good place to start with Prokofiev?

What would Mozart think of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTT0nlnXlqI

>>73546358
Alexander Nevsky Suite, Lieutenant Kije Suite.
Peter and the Wolf if you're 8 years old

i just can't get myself to like beethoven's missa solemnis. i find it really boring and convoluted. am i a pleb?

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opinions?

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>tfw I analyzed Bolero's structure in a simple fashion
>tfw I identify the 18-or-so measures, phrases, whatever you call them (I differentiate between "melody" and a more jazzy "Harmony", abusing these terms slightly
>tfw wiki bears out what I came away with in more precise language
>tfw I always liked it but used to just let it wash over me
>tfw understanding how the machine makes me like it even more

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>>73511077
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR6CGXneIuI&t=5m40s
Here at 5:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbFrMBl1qjU&t=4m38s
And here at 4:38

How do I get my slurs to be that buttery smooth?
The fuck is his left hand doing lads?

>>73547549
Get a time machine, anon. Beg Auer for lessons.

>>73547508

related: a painting which purports to illustrate Bolero's structure.

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>>73547710

Here now, let's try that again.

>>73539467
>and invented jazz
he actually did, listen to pathetique

>>73512217
Yes.

>>73524905
this

>no one to discuss music and share compositions with on a serious level
dying here lads

>>73547906
More like Hammerklavier

Five Variants on Dives and Lazarus is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard.

>>73512416
>Lists Chopin's shitty concerto as a masterpiece

HOLY FUCKING KEK

I'll have one violin sonata please.

>>73551002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTUWCr3IXxw

>>73549195
Time to study music at university / college

>>73551062
Thank you.

>>73551382
That'll be €5.99 plus tip.

Xenakis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SARe6hf1CU

M E S S I A E N

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6SVrHxGLsA

can anyone identify this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYYVH9QC4M8

or is it purposely made nu-classic.

>>73512217
Yes, I unironically believe in Jesus Christ

>>73554735

NEW
NEW
NEW

>>73554735

>>73540404
>>73540380
>I don't know shit about music: the post