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I've been wanting to make a guide to Herbie's albums since I've been on my Herbie journey for the past few months and been having a great time with it.

WHERE TO START WITH HERBIE:

>If you like Standard Jazz & Bop, more straightforward and less experimental
Takin Off (1962)
Inventions and Dimensions (1963) [Makes a lot of use of Samba Percussion]
Empyrean Isles (1964)
Maiden Voyage (1965)
Quartet (1982)

>If you like Experimental
The Mwandishi Trilogy
(Mwandishi, Crossings, and Sextant)

>If you like Funk-Jazz
Fat Albert Rotunda (1969)
Headhunters (1973)
Thrust (1974)
Manchild (1975)
Directstep (1979)
Mr. Hands (1980)

>If you like Disco & Electronic
Sunlight (1978)
Feets Don't Fail me Now (1979)
Future Shock (1983)
Sound System (1984)

>Other Suggestions (Unclassified)
The Prisoner (1969)
Secrets (1976)
The Piano (1979)
Dis Is Da Drum (1993)

Hope this is a good guide.

>>69689423
good guide, anon. screencapped for future uses

>>69689249
I'm suprised Mu was the album chose for Don Cherry. I would have expected Brown Rice (Don Cherry) to be the essential of his discography.
Nevertheless it's a fantastic album

>>69689249
About fucking time we had one of these threads again...

>>69689441
Thank you :)

I kind of want to make a visual guide but I don't know how to.

>>69689445
i feel like we should make an essential 2.0 for /jazz/. any other suggestions? i think "portrait in jazz" or "you must believe in spring" are much more suitable to represent bill evans than waltz for debby
>>69689458
i'll do it when i have the time anon-kun

h-how did I do

https://clyp.it/fowf2lze

>>69689490
Thanks man. I still have the latter half of Herbie's career to get through (about 5 albums) so don't feel rushed or anything.

Listening to Gershwins World now.

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>>69689533
pretty excellent desu anon-kun. what tune is this?

Ok, hot topic coming through but what do you think of ken burns' "jazz" and wynton marsalis?

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What's his best /jazz/? Pic related sounds absolutely amazing.
The skill and prowess of each individual player is nothing but marvelous. Everyone is playing out of their minds in this one.

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this is pretty good

Update: Listening to Gershwin's World and HOLY FUCK IT'S GOOD

(But my computer nearly opened a virus/ad page when I tried getting a reaction image and I had to ctrl-alt-delete chrome so I'm starting it over)

>>69689598
elaborate on them?
>>69689602
ive only listened to his album with coltrane, and i can say its good

>>69689776
Gershwin's World is good, but it's not that good.
It's definetely not his best, but also not his worst

rec me some smooth jazz albums pls

>>69689837
>It's definetely not his best, but also not his worst
That's a very, VERY general description.
Posting best to worst soon (Minus Gershwin since I just started it)

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who is /mu/'s favorite jazz drummer?

>>69689579

Eh thanks anon.. it's polka dots and moonbeams

listened to nothing but jazz all day today.

>Count Basie Swingin the Blues
>Coleman Hawkins Body & Soul
>Dexter Gordon Livve at the Amsterdam Paradiso
>Dizzy Gillespie Complete RCA Victor recordings
>Fats Navarro Ultimate Jazz Archive

yes, just scrolling down my albums alphabetically all day

I legit love Smooth Jazz, this is discrimination!

>>69689812
Ken Burns Jazz was a PBS documentary series from 2000 that was highly controversial for letting major contributor Wynton Marsalis rewrite jazz history so to speak by having the documentary focus 8 of its 10 episodes on Louis Armstrong in some way shape or form and spend 4 episodes on the swing era, while condensing all post 1960 jazz into one episode and writing most of it off as being "not real jazz".

>>69689865
Kenny G's entire discography.

>>69689960
i dont think it matters that much, most of post 60s jazz is fusion and jazz-funk shit anyways

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>>69689533
won't let me in

why is it blocked? I used to go all the time

Can someone please upload Monk's Dream to apollo, it's a fucking crime.

>>69690026
But why is that objectively bad though? Would you prefer modern artists simply ape Davis and Coltrane?

>>69690047
How do I get an invite to apollo and is their catalog really that good?

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What are Bud Powell's best recordings? where do i start with him

>>69689602
I've been recommended Money Jungle, apart from the obvious duo with Coltrane.

>>69690083
I would give you one if I had one, and if you were part of What.cd. You should learn some stuff about torrenting and audio if you don't know much.

If you have never been part of a tracker, I'd wait until they open interviews up.

What's catalogue was insane, biggest music library of all time. Apollo has had a pretty good jumpstart, with plenty of issues, but still, it's following the good path (mostly)

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i dont know a lot of jazz but pic related is my fave, any reccs?

>>69690292
max roach is a god. just start with something in the essentials, or "moanin" by art blakey maybe?

>>69690292
Anything with Clifford Brown and Max Roach together

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>>69690318
will check these out! thanks

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SPICY HOT OPINONS COMING THROUGH.

>>69690421
your taste is [spoiler] not bad to be quite honest desu ka [/spoiler]

>>69689602
And His Mother Called Him Bill is a personal fav. Ellington at Newport and Far East Suite, are other later career highlights

>>69690292
yeah I've never heard vocal arrangements used so well.

>>69690034

Strange.. try a different browser or something?

why doesnt /mu/ appreciate jazz more? i dont think ive ever seen a jazz thread before

>>69690453
[spoiler] Spoilers don't work on here but thanks man [/spoiler]

>>69690501
nah, I did that before I posted. I don't think it's my ISP since Mega and TPB come right up

>>69690421
you should replace those shitty funk albums with Herbie's sideman recordings. Hub-tones, Speak No Evil, Search For New Land, VSOP the Quintet, pretty much any of his Miles Davis dates.

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>>69689249
ayy pepezefrog

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bump haha

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>>69690661
>funk
>shitty

Pick one (1).

>>69690689
what a cute cat

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was this album smooth jazz?

>>69689881
Max Roach. I'm entry level though. I'd be interested in learning of some more good ones.

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Has anyone else heard of these guys? I recently discovered them and their new album is amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEw0swsmqYk

https://archive.org/details/davidwnivenjazz
Check this out

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Reminder to check out the /blindfold/ thread tomorrow. We all listen to the mystery playlist, write down our thoughts or guesses about each track and then post them in the thread.

Here's the link to this week's playlist:
http://www27.zippyshare.com/v/HWDjkEhV/file.html

just listen to jazz radio instread of dling albums lmao

>>69691248
this is great, thanks anon

>>69691471
Why not both?

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Jazz thread dying? Not on my watch.

HERBIE PROGRESS:
Just finished pic related. Enjoyed it but it would probably be lower on my chart.

http://tunein.com/radio/Radio-Free-Georgia-893-s22385/

Here's my local community radio's jazz show. Goes til midnight EST

>>69689249
Has there been a single jazz album made by a female? If there is, is it good?

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>reading a jazzthreadguy review of an album
>he describes the playing as "clever"

>>69692429
>jazzthreadguy
How's his Herbie ratings? Any good? I'm reading his RYM now.

>>69692429
>>69692442
>He only rated 2 Herbie albums but they're both 5 stars

I'm ok with him.

Hey Herbie Hancock guy. I'm curious about your origin story. Did you just wake up one day and decide: "From now on my life is going to be all about Herbie Hancock." and that was a big turning point for you or what?

>>69692502
I don't remember the EXACT origin story, to be honest, BUT, here's the general story:

I hear about him during the end of summer this year, I look him up, a lot of his albums had AMAZING album art and I heard he was one of the most versatile Jazz musicians out there.

So I decided 'eh, fuck it, I'll try this guy out'.
I listened to his first 3 albums, got distracted, but then decided to continue the project a few months later, and I've been listening through his albums since.

And (for the most part) I've loved it. I'm listening to Gershwin right now.

>>69689881
Elvin Jones is the GOAT almost anything with him on it is fantastic.

>>69693760
album recommendation?

dubtrack room: https://www.dubtrack.fm/join/the-jazz-room

im going to sleep now but just hang around, i'll be back

>>69693807
I'm a big fan of his stuff with Coltrane. Coltrane's Sound is pretty great. Also Check out McCoy Tyner - The Real McCoy there's some especially great Elvin Moments on there.

I'm not huge on this album, but check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIH3fNUsbnA

Elvin's drumming leading into Coltrane's solo and right after is so fucking perfect everything is just cohesive and hype.

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Almost finished with this album.

Absolutely loved it. Not a bad track on it. Wonderful.

>>69692110
Marian McPartland has made tons of albums and she's pretty nice

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hey what are some good places to go see jazz in NYC? I'll be there next month for a few weeks. I've already planned on going to see Fred Hersch at the Vanguard, and maybe catch Christian McBride. I'm looking at the Bluenote and Birdland's schedule and there don't seem to be any artists i recognize or enjoy. Here's the schedule for Smalls, which ive heard good things about. Does anyone know who here would be most worth watching live?

>>69694209
Ari Hoenig
Josh Evans
Billy Drummond
Stacy Dillard
David Gibson

all good choices

>>69692110
Dorothy Ashby's hip harp is good

Alice Coltrane made stuff, I wasn't a fan but you might be

Yoko Kanno's Cowboy Bebop and Kids on the Slope work is fantastic

hey lads i need a jazz piece that relies on a pedal tone and heavily uses the lydian mode

can you help me out? id prefer if it was slow too

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What jazz do I listen to if I want to leave this planet?

pic related, I've bled Coltrane dry

>>69691380
>Criss Cross jazz theme
idk exactly why but every Criss Cross release I've listened to has never at all interested me. Even though I recognize that they have a diverse catalog with many very talented players something about it just does not sit well.

>>69694805
All the more reason to join in the thread

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>>69694805
>Criss Cross

>>69694712
anyone?

i can really only think is modal tunes in dorian and phrygian

>>69694742
Alexander Von Schlippenbach - Globe Unity

>>69692110
Dorothy Ashby
Anna Hogberg - Attack came out this year and kicked asses all around
Shirley Scott - Great Scott! is kinda campy but great fun
Alice Coltrane = god
Bobbi Humphrey had some cool jazz funk
Betty Davis caused Bitches Brew and had some kinda jazz funk shit goin down for a bit
Annette Peacock is GOAT
Carla Bley is one of the best avant-jazz composers/vocalists/pianists I've ever listened to

whatre some really good Cool Jazz albums?

Ive already seen that infographic chart but Im looking for more

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Great Winter album right here.

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you guys probably get this pretty often but do you have anything similiar to Space Lion off the Cowboy Bebop soundtrack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcA3cCQfe3s

>>69695137
wrong fucking link KEK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKnVaDwUg5s

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>>69695246

thanks, m8

>>69694905
This is perfect, any idea where I can find the full album?

>>69694876
Dreams by Fleetwood Mac

>>69694876
Frank Zappa used lydian pretty extensively. And of course George Russell himself

>>69694120
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>>69694938
Thanks for the recommendations.

I was expecting "women can't do music" meme bullshit.

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>>69694742
Herbie Hancock - Sextant

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>>69694742
Sun Ra - Landquidity

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well for the first contrabass clarinet jazz I ever hear I must say it doesn't really click
but maybe my sound system isn't good enough

>>69696528
what sort of style is it? Anthony Braxton has recorded many times on the contrabass clarinet (as well as contrabass sax, but I'm not familiar with those). it's interesting to say the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Mn8E1MO0I

this is from "In the Tradition." there's another track from there that's a very sinister wild cover of Goodbye Porkpie hat, and the rest is his semi-straight Warne Marsh style on alto. He's done a whole lot more with the instrument most of which I've yet to get too.

>>69689423
>Dis Is Da Drum (1993)
Can be Disco & Electronic as well. Sounds more like that Miles and Easy Mo Bee collabo album. In Herbie's discogs close to Future2Future album. F2F have more millenium sound with house and garage producers. DidD - straight up 90's with beats, acid jazz, trip-hop vibe.

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>>69690170
Not a single bud powell recc?

>>69695150
Hard Bop is what you want bud.

>>69697294
this is great

>>69689249
Jtg chart> meme jazz chart

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>sees jazz thread on moo
>thinks moo finally improved their taste
>thread is filled with fusion-disco-electronic-funk shit

>>69699816
inorite, New Orleans funeral jazz all the way

/blindfold/ thread is now up and running
>>69699040

We need more critical listeners to come tell us why these tracks are terrible and your taste is better.

>>69699816
feel free to post some then

>>69699873
no

Can anyone rec me albums/artists similar to Shabaka and the Ancestors-Wisdom of Elders? Really been digging this album the last couple days.

>>69689598
Ken Burns jazz is fine for early jazz through hard bop. Then they tried to squeeze everything after 1960 into one fucking episode. They hardly talk about post Love Supreme trane or anything Ornette did after shape of jazz to come or any shit like that. Plus they try to make Wynton out to be some messiah-savior of jazz which he is SO not. It left a lot, lot to be desired. However it's still one of the best resources for information about early jazz especially and it covers bebop pretty well too. It has been a while since I watched it but that's my take.

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>>69699816
Not him, but what's wrong with jazz fusion? Here's a great album.

>>69699816
>thread is filled with fusion-disco-electronic-funk shit
If you're referring to Miles Davis's albums from the 80's - no one posted those. I wouldn't listen to those either.

>>69689602
The Queen's Suite, everything from 1939-41 (the Blanton-Webster years) the Latin American Suite, the Deep South Suite are all classics

>>69689881
All depends on what you like. The biggest names are Tony Williams, Elvin Jones, Max Roach, Philly Joe Jones, Papa Jo Jones, Billy Higgins, Art Blakey. But there are countless others.>>69690026

>>69690026
Man, this might be the most uneducated, ignorant bullshit in this thread. Start here
https://ethaniverson.com/rhythm-and-blues/73-90-redux/

>>69690170
The Genius of Bud Powell vols 1-4 are a wealth of great compositions and great playing. Time Waits, vol 4 is especially great with Sam Jones and Philly Joe Jones. Bud's not on a whole lot of honest-to-god records per se because of the 40s recording ban and because of his later-life mental health issues caused by the shock therapy that he received in a mental institution in the late 40s. Tragic how they fucked him up, he's one of the all time great geniuses of the piano and bebop.

>>69690292
Max is the father of modern jazz drumming. Check out all the records from the mid 50s with Clifford Brown and listen to all the 40s records with Charlie Parker/Dizzy Gillespie for context.

>>69690962
Not at all, smooth jazz came about 25 years later.

What's your favorite Kenny G. album?

>>69691229
This is a good record. It's somewhat typical odd-time sig modern jazz but for whatever reason it doesn't bore or annoy me. Looking forward to more shit from them

>>69689249
where the fuck are oscar peterson and stuff smith and stephane grappelli???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL5Un4gP60I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xJNOmjOfsw

>>69694742
If you've already checked out all the late Trane, aka 1964-67, there's really only one guy who kept that cosmic energy going on the same level: guitarist Tisziji Munoz
You might enjoy this record "Alpha Nebula Expanded: The Monster Peace"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23P3k-g745c&list=PLUbTNElDIw-qfac6wbKV473F_M2mIB61a
Tisziji's discography is pretty enormous, and a lot of it is up on Spotify. He is one of the best kept secrets of improvised music. One of the only people capable of creating on the same spiritual plane as Trane was in his later years. Other cats are Pharaoh Sanders or Charles Gayle.

>>69699779
post it then

>>69701683
Munoz sounds great but seems like his music is blocked in my country. The youtube you linked doesn't work, and he doesn't come up on Spotify for me. Anyway, I'll see where I can find him, he sounds good

Can someone explain Modal Jazz to someone who knows nothing about music theory?

>>69704539
instead of chord changes, modal jazz is based around scales

Oh hey, surprised this thread is alive, I'm kinda surprised.

Herbie guy here.

About to re-listen to pic related. I didn't like it that much on first listen.

>>69704619
moo is more into jazz than i previously thought. wonder why there arent any previous jazz generals desu

>>69704561
How is normal jazz based around chord changes? What are scales?

>>69704645
There used to be last year and before then, but /mu/ has been getting progressively more shit over the last several years and focuses only on dadrock, flavor of the month indie, and top 40 pop and rap. and shitty memes.

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>>69704645
Me also.

Also I forgot the picture. Fuck my life.

>>69704657
well, other types of jazz base their structures around the changes in chords, like on chord after another in a progression. the melody is played along with the chords. modal jazz is different as its based around a whole scale, which is a collection of notes that a song is in. for example, the C major scale is consisted of all the white notes on the piano, some other scales use some black keys and omit some white keys. modal jazz plays along with the scale, instead of being based around the chords

>>69704737
So in a way Modal Jazz is more restrictive and perhaps more repetitive than other forms of jazz? Sorry, like I said I know jack shit about theory

>>69704795
lol no, if anything modal jazz gives you more freedom, as you have a whole space to build on instead of being restricted by chord progression. modal jazz was an important step towards the development of free jazz, which is the opposite of restrictive.

>>69704931
i give up

>>69689490
portrait in jazz is a much more representative bill evans album, but waltz for debby is better

anyone hear that new ryo fukui album?
pretty great IMO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVV_z1lBNLo

>>69689533
wow this is fantastic. never expected people with actual talent on my /mu/.

>>69701330
how is that fusion? or is this just bait

>>69701330
this album predated fusion by like a decade, anon

you guys are alright
here's 600 GB of jazz in WAV files

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So yeah, uhh....This Herbie Hancock album? Future2Future....

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>>69705350
Not good.

>>69690292
money jungle
then explore mingus' catalogue

>>69690529
they are on here often, but few take off as much as this one has
but there are actually weekly blindfold jazz listening threads

>>69690962
cool=/=smooth

>>69690529
jazz is based pretty much only on technical ability rather than emotion, unlike most other music

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>>69703084
not that guy butttttttttttttt

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>>69703084

>>69704539
normal jazz is about chord changes
so like the underlying structure of a song is
E minor chord, F major chord, G major chord
then you do variations on this theme

but modal jazz is based on scales
so liek the underlying structure of a song is
C note, D note, E note, F note, G note, A note, B note
then variations on this theme

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need album recommendations with good drumming.
how do you call the type of jazz from the whiplash soundtrack? more specifically the type that has heavy drumming but not to the point where it sounds like fusion or rock?

Does anyone have any free-jazz up for recommendation?

I love my early Coleman as well as the more abrasive Ayler phrasing so just hit me up. I also enjoy it when instrumentation is a bit less conventional like the space organs on Sun Ra records and the overall picture Pharaoh Sanders creates on Thembi.

>>69706052
I assume you've heard both Meditations and Ascension?

>>69706052
>>69706052
cecil taylor, peter bronzman, coltrane

>>69706093
Yes, I'd also name Kulu Sé Mama in that list. I love how blissfully he ends half an hour of intensity with something like that.

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>>69706052
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/dewan-motihar-trio-irene-schweizer-trio-manfred-schoof-barney-wilen/jazz-meets-india/

>>69706184
you won't end up spamming this until it becomes meme, right?

>>69706184
Yooooo, that's exactly what I'm looking for sonically!

>>69706206
I'm not a 12 year old meme lord. I want people to hear interesting music and I will try my best to participate in jazz threads and recommend people music they may not have heard before.

>>69706219
I'm glad I could help. It's a truly unique album and the free jazz elements in it are actually pleasant to listen to.

>>69704093
Oh that's a real shame - try using a proxy!

With 50 unique posters in this thread- why don't more people post in the /blindfold/ threads?

If it's because you don't like the theme ideas, why not make your own?

>>69706710
i'm at work right now

>>69706710
I used to post in them but it felt more like work than pleasure. I didn't want to be one of those people that just say 'uh i liked the horn' but i also didn't want to spend an hour writing my thoughts for every track.

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>>69705480
>jazz is based pretty much only on technical ability rather than emotion

yeah. A Love Supreme, for example. An emotionless technical etude.

>>69706710
ive never ever saw one before, the idea is good but naming it "blindfold" is pretty forgettable and most people dont care enough to find out what a thread like that is about. having a /jazz/ general makes it a lot easier

>>69705480
something something good bait

>>69706844
>literally using a "jazz for people who don't like jazz" album, therefore proving my point

>>69706884
youre confusing a love supreme with kind of blue

>>69705480
>>69706844
>>69706881
>>69706884
>>69706921
Please don't ruin this thread.

>>69706485
Any other recommendations? I'd really want you to check out Pharaoh Sanders' Thembi, if you haven't. It's a pretty light album for Sanders and the selection of instrumentation works very well.

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>>69689249
the GOAT of all GOATs.

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>>69707135
I'll definitely give it a listen as soon as possible. Thanks for the recommendation. Here's another recommendation:

>>69707278
Already familiar with that one. That title is so brilliantly apt for how it uses lower register vs the expected high register in the genre.

>>69707348
The thing that amazes me about this album is how are they even able to perform the material on it repeatedly.

>>69706052
Evan Parker - Monoceros. It's very similar to Coltrane's Interstellar Space

>>69707414
literally not jazz

>>69707414
It is NOT very similar, in fact. Parker is one of a kind.

>>69707380
Having multiple takes is one of my personal favorite tropes in jazz in general.
Especially when it results in preferring the different take, like with Spanish Key or Waltz for Debby for me.

>>69707459
Why not?
>>69707480
Both evoke celestial objects

>>69707539
Free improv avant-garde shit isn't jazz, it's cacaphonist random trash.

>>69689423
>If you like Experimental
>The Mwandishi Trilogy
>(Mwandishi, Crossings, and Sextant)
Does this mean you came around to Sextant or are you just reccing it based on it being held in high regard?

>>69707801
Reccing it because it's part of the trilogy and it's widely reguarded as one of his bests.

I still don't enjoy it personally.

>>69707786
If it comes from the soul it's jazz

>>69689249
What makes something "Smooth Jazz". I only ever really hear the term when someone who doesnt talk about jazz describes something they imagine would have jazz in .

>>69708140
The funny thing about discussing avant garde-ish jazz or free-jazz is that it tries to stray away from conventions anyway.
Genre semantics become a shitshow when the genre is defined by being defied.

>>69708272
pop music with saxophone

>>69708302
>The funny thing about discussing avant garde-ish jazz or free-jazz is that it tries to stray away from conventions anyway.
That is a pretty inaccurate oversimplification of how and why people compose music that can be described with those labels.

>>69708541
Agreed, but it's the end result either way.

How is Michel Petrucciani regarded by those in the jazz world?

Just discovered this little fella and he seems like an amazing pianist, but whenever I see a famous disabled person a part of my mind always assumes they're only famous because of their disability. How would he compare in blind tests against the great jazz pianists?

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Do you guys have any more nice piano jazz like this? Just getting started on jazz desu

>>69708590
I think it's fair to say that "avant-garde jazz" by definition strays from the conventions of it's time (though that's rarely the primary focus of the artist) but free jazz often isn't avant garde and there's a lot of artists who make free jazz as if they were making jazz in any other idiom like hard bop or swing.
Certainly at it's conception free jazz players like Ornette Coleman were very clearly trying to be forward thinking but I think he and most people compose music like that because they think it's a better way of expressing the things they want to express.
Best case study on that is someone like Coltrane. He changed his medium to suit the message he wanted to give and happened to be near enough to the cutting edge of the genre for most of his career cause that's where he saw the best possibilities (as opposed to because he was just out to break rules for the sake of it).
>>69708694
I was actually going to put him on a /blindfold/ a while back but never got around to it.
He has a killer trio album with Wayne Shorter and Jim Hall and that he could get sidemen like that is a good indication of how he was perceived in the jazz world. Sure if you're listening to him yourself, you can hear he clearly got where he did through talent rather than sympathy.

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>>69708775

>>69708897
I don't disagree with you, just wanted to state that being nitpicky about what albums fit what genres is a bit more confusing when it comes to something like this compared to what's reggae, for example.

If anyone has a DL link for any Sun Ra share please

>>69709019
That's deffinitely fair yeah. This stuff is kinda nebulous.
I responded the way I did cause there's kind of an attitude that surrounds the free jazz end of the jazz spectrum where people tend to view players as edgy counterculture experimenters when most of them were just trying to play jazz for the same reasons that the likes of Art Blakey or Charlie Parker were. They were just going about it in a different way.

I've got a question that's easy to answer but hard to make, so I'll just write it in the tried and true fill-in-the-blanks format:


"The ______ scale is to jazz what the pentatonic scale is to the blues"

>>69689249
Make the years 1957-1979

Add Miles Davis - Milestones, 'Round About Midnight, Birth of the Cool, In a Silent Way
John Coltrane - Blue Train, Giant Steps, My Favorite Things
Thelonious Monk - Brilliant Corners

>>69709128
Of course. I especially love watching players like Coltrane and Coleman descend into that experimentation, comparing each exploration to the next.

>>69709193
In most jazz music there isn't a singular be all end all scale, but to me, Harmonic Minor accents always come across as iconic when they slip in between normal major and minor scales.

I'd consider it the 808 cowbell of jazz, where you suddenly catch yourself listening to something very distinct and familiar.

>>69708996
thanks friendo :)

>>69709193

The altered scale. Without your altered dominants everything just sound not "jazzy"

>>69709366
>>69709277
Thanks friendos. Trying to incorporate a couple of scales to my very, very anorexic repertoire and I though I might as well practise some jazzy scales.

>>69709422
Don't try to go to scale-y. Listen to accessible solos you like (i.e with low note density) and try to find out where it strays away from a scale and how.
You want it to be a natural thing instead of a gimmick.

>>69708996
>>69709285
also try waltz for debbie

>>69709057
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+do+I+find+free+music%3F

>>69709482
That's one of my all time favorites too, one of the first records that really enchanted me into listening to jazz.

>>69709482
That's the album that Waltz for Debby comes from.

>>69709486
#1 result is ask /mu/

>>69708996

Is there any video of him actually playing like he's praying to the piano.

>>69709526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2LFVWBmoiw

>>69709576
>>69709526
proto shoegaze OG

>>69709057
archive

>>69709576

Not super slouched like the album cover though. But damn, he doesn't move crazily like the classical pianist, but you can tell that he's really into the music.

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>>69708775

Sorry to ask a pretty stupid question, but what would you say are the key cool jazz recordings? I listened to Birth Of The Cool and was left wanting. I was expecting it to sound a lot more akin to Générique sound (which, granted, is now rather clichéd, but it's what I'm looking for). Maybe cool jazz just isn't what I thought it is?

>>69709762
see >>69705522

>>69694270
thanks man, I'll probably catch one of those if I can

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Surprised nobody has posted this yet. /mu/ seems to like this one (and for good reason)

Anyone know good albums with the bassist using the bow a lot? Only thing I know is Into the House of the Lord by Pharoah Sanders

>>69710030
this actually sounds pretty interesting, though i doubt theres a lot of bow in jazz aside from during solos.

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My favorite "jazz" album, not sure if it is true jazz or maybe just jazz with some other stuff thrown in but I like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILzlo5QpuUo

I can post the dl link if anyone wants it

>>69710099
It's a shame. It's creates such a nice slow build up but its rarely used.

>>69710030
Paul Chambers was pretty great with a bow. He's more a bop player though so don't know if that's what you're interested in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNhwQFRrS4Q&list=PL6A0DDC005EAF991F&index=6&ab_channel=Rogerrogerjazzfan

>>69710130
sounds really good anon, yea post the DL link pls

>>69710030
Henry Grimes - Solo (albeit he plays both bass and violin)
and of course, Paul Chambers, who uses bowing in his solos too

>>69710184
here you go m8
https://mega.nz/#F!IpB3WKSS!9wJm7gCzksHY6x37p13k1Q

>>69710130
this is more instrumental and indie with jazz elements than actual jazz, but its still miles better than smooth """""""jazz"""""" shit so i'd say its fine

>>69710130
This is some incredibly sugary shit, but I could play it when my parents come over for dinner.

bud powell > charlie parker

>>69710733
>being better than charlie parker
not that hard desu

>>69694209
I'm a big fan of the Vanguard Orchestra. They play every Monday night and they're one of the best big bands around.

>>69699816
fuck off wynton

Please rec me your most fast paced and insane jazz. Preferably trumpet or saxophone lead. I like hard bop but it's still not enough

>>69704795
So Miles wanted to go modal jazz, because he felt restricted by the intense harmony of the times. If you're making the changes in bebop, then you're already a lot of the way towards a good solo and there are some tunes where it can be difficult for any improviser to say much in their solo. Tunes like that are more about virtuosity then depth and development of melodic ideas.

Modal is jazz flips all that on it's head, because you suddenly have all this room to say whatever you want. You can't just bebop up and down changes, because there's only one for a long time.

You also aren't actually limited to only the 7 notes of whatever scale you're using. Just like how not every note in a bebop scale would belong to a chord in a meaningful way people would play outside of the scale sometimes. If you listen to Coltrane on Kind of Blue he's in and out of the mode a lot. It's not wrong it's just how he played, he's primarily in whatever mode he should be in, but he still uses the other notes when it suits him.

Also another reason why modal tunes can be less restrictive is because of how the chords are voiced. Chords in modal tunes tend to be voiced out in ways that obscure their function. A normal chord in a bebop tune is generally voiced in such a way that you know what it is or at least how if relates to the stuff around it. Modal tunes tend to use very specific voicings that obscure that a lot so it's not exactly clear what it is. This results in the chord actually being better for more chromatic improvising on top. It's a lot of the basis behind McCoy Tyner's style since he used those chords so much to play behind Coltrane who would play really, really chromatic lines.

>>69713026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wgA9L5TN5M

Hey, if any of you guys got the JSP release of Hot Fives And Sevens (NOT SONY/COLUMBIA, JSP) can you share it please?

>>69713026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yke9KZpH5vU&ab_channel=nickwreiter

I don't like much jazz at all but i really love Italian contemporary jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk6Y58b2iFU

>>69689423
Anon some years ago I heard an album by Herbie but I can't remeber it's name. It was an album with only five or six songs and it was very experimental. It was more like electronic with some musique concrete components. Some songs were +10 minutes long. I have tried to found it but Herbie's discography is so big... Can you help me?

>>69689533
Nice keep dat shit up my dude

What are some jazz memes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAmfDw66phw

>>69709757
>>69709482
thanks for the recs :)

>>69709601
kek

>>69705522
>>69705542
jazzthreadguy's taste in post-90's sucks.

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Still exploring "the list goes on..." artists. This might be my favorite jazz album so far, anyone have any recs based on it?

>>69694209
I'd stay away from Blue Note and Birdland, tbqh. Smalls, Vanguard and the 55bar are the West Village spots that still feel like actual hangouts and not touristy money traps.

If you're down for the hike out to Brooklyn, go to Shapeshifter Lab or Barbes.

What is the modern classical of jazz music?
Like the John Cage or Morton Feldman of jazz?

>>69690529
Because it is full of shit-taste poptimists now.

>>69707786
Why are you so angry, though? You can't improvise freely?

I want to get my mum a jazz piano album for Christmas - looking at Thelonious Monk at the moment, I know she has a Monk/Coltrane album that she likes.

What album should I go for?
>Monk's Music (1957)
>Brilliant Corners (1957)
>Monk's Dream (1962)
>Something else?

>>69713026
Schoof's European echoes.

>>69717923
>sadfrog.jpg
tfw the damage Los Angeles has done to art will never go away

why is fusion so bad?

Any albums similar to Miles Davis - In A Silent Way?

>>69717700
jazzthreadguy's taste sucks in general t b h

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>>69718176

>>69718614
Fusion is literally jazz for progressive rock nerds who can't into real jazz

>>69718176
Fusion's not that bad. The Brecker Brothers and Mike Stern are godawful tho.

>>69718050
Of those I'm probably most partial to Monk's Dream but you can't really go wrong.

>>69718050
get something by bill evans

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>>69718657
As I said, low quality bait. I understand that we managed to have a jazz general thread without some ridiculous bait, but please don't ruin it just because you can.

>>69718657
>>69719218
i dont like fusion either but completely discarding it like its smooth jazz is pretty unfair imo. please stop fucking up this thread thank you

>>69719469
>>69719218
This thread is half dead anyways, I don't know why you guys care so much

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any albums like this one? literally every tune is too good

>>69719493
Like it in what way?

>>69700716
Great album anon. I rec the Olympians - s/t, another jazz record from this year though it's more funky than spiritual. Also check out Melt Yourself Down's record from earlier this year, it features Shabaka as a core group member and crosses afrobeat with punk music, sort of like James Chance & the Contortions meets Fela Kuti.

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What's your jazz AOTY? pic related for me

>>69721358
I honestly haven't listened to anything this year.

>>69720028
well, similar to it, how can i even describe it any further without other people listening to it and knowing what the hell im talking about

>>69721358
i wish i knew where to find modern jazz thats not smooth jazz desu

>>69721358
Fire Orchestra is ok but that album was awful

>>69722635
That's ok, it fit right exactly into my taste so there was no way I wasn't going to like it

>>69722553
just look on RYM to be truthful family member

>>69722846
huh

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>>69697294

>>69690170
Jazz Giant is also a good starting point, definitely one of his better recordings

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this was okay

what are your favorites this year?

>>69721358
Wisdom of Elders is pretty good. But She Sleeps is good too.

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>>69717309
>5 or 6 songs.
based on that...

My Point of View, Inventions and Dimensions and Maiden Voyage are all 5 tracks but they have little to no electronic elements in them.

Speak Like a Child and The Prisoner were slightly more electronic but not very 'experimental' per say.

I'm THINKING it's Man-Child because that had a lot of Jazz-Funk and Electronic elements.

There's a small chance you're talking about Sunlight too.


It's more than likely either Sunlight or Man Child. If it's not one of those two get back to me.

>>69724659
It's not any of those album. Let see, I will try to said something else. The album its not musically very orthodox musically, it was more close to noise/electronic music than jazz. If I don't remember wrong, there was a song with rain sounds.

>>69724659
Anyway, I'm listening invetions and dimentions and its great

>>69724838
Crossings? But that album didn't have 5 or 6 songs.

Do you remember anything about the album art?

>>69724864
Glad you're liking that album. One of my top ones too.

>>69724864
Dimensions & Extensions > Inventions and Dimensions

desu

>>69724869
Mmm no, I can't remember anything about the album art. I thing that it was from the mid 80's.

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>>69724917
Oh shit. Think I found it.

Pic Related.

>>69724962
Mmm no, it's not that one. The album that I'm looking for don't have any funky sound. It don't have drums or if it have it was very uncommon, not a beat in the back. And it as a very obscure album. This sounds goods too anyway!

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>>69725021
>. It don't have drums or if it have it was very uncommon,
I'm having a hard time with this one man. Sorry.

Village Life??

>>69725121
Mmm no, it's not this one. Maybe it was rotulated as a Herbie's album and maybe it was from somebody else?
The music on it was not very confortable to hear, no nice melodies, no funk or common drum beats, it was more electronic noises.

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this was a great album if i do say so myself

>>69725218
The only other albums I can think of are Perfect Machine, Futureshock, or Sextant.

Daily reminder that Jazz began to die with bebop in the 40s and was completely dead by '55

>>69689249
>reminder that smooth jazz is NOT jazz and will NEVER be jazz
You faggot, try to learn a little bit of music before you say such stupid things.
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>>69721358
this is fucking phenomenal