Recently I've heard of this phenomenon called "loudness war". It's about the dynamic range compression in today's music.
What does /mu/ thing about this?
Here is an article about it with a video explaining what it is:
He wanted a discussion about it and even linked to something informing those who just lurk about it in case they haven't heard about it, and here you are shitposting and trying to act cool. YOU fuck back off to Reddit, there you can have a username and get upvotes for your stupid, snide comments.
It's shit. It makes Tame Impala doubly bad, playing bland psych rock and then amping it to fuck as if it's the best shit ever and you've just got to hear it.
Fuck the cunts who do this.
>stop leaving mean comments
He's right, everyone should have heard of dynamic range compression long ago and formed their opinion on it, unless you are a retarded newfag who shouldn't be posting here. Go back to plebbit.
Listen up fuckheads. You're all massive faggots and shit like this is the reason why you will still be posting shitty feels threads about not having a girlfriend who understands your taste in music from now until either you die or 4chan closes down, whichever is sooner.
If you try and turn music into a walled garden then that's exactly what you're going to get: a walled garden. At some point you were a newfag who didn't know what dynamic range compression was, and somebody told you, because they weren't an autistic fuck who thought they were better than everyone else. Maybe just have a fucking discussion on this board rather than just posting "DUDE PLEBBIT LMAO" every time a newfag comes on here looking to make an interesting thread about the loudness war.
some compression is necessary, especially with instruments where dynamic control is more difficult to record, ie every percussion or string instrument. If you hear a record without compression, it will distinctly sound lofi. I for one like that sound, but then again I'm recording into a tascam digital recorder.
>mfw people actually want their eardrums blown out every time there's a snaredrum because the song wasn't properly mixed because it means greater dynamic range
Every time it sounds like your speakers have hair pressed against them, that's clipping distortion.
Iggy Pop's Raw Power mix.
Compare it with that version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdKhf5_JYjM
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is another famous offender.
Well, it's understandable for some forms of music and can even be a benefit... but from a technical audio standpoint it destroys the sound. Some may want their music to sound destroyed, but for the most part it's loudness for the sake of loudness.
Mix is so brickwalled that when the rest of the instruments come in they smash against the compressor and the perceived volume of the entire track dips for a split second, the exact opposite of the effect you want when you have a bunch of instruments come in at the same time.
It's awful and should be boycotted. Especially brickwalled remasters — making something sound worse is now considered a selling point. Says something about how bad major labels are.
Makes it a pain in the neck to find good quality rips of major label albums too, now you have to avoid transcodes AND shitty remasters.
Don't be ridiculous. Not everything needs an extreme dynamic range, but volume is an important aspect of music, sound clarity too.
And there's no excuse for clipping whatsoever — might as well convert your music to 112 kbps MP3 and claim it's an "artistic choice".
Is this bait? The information that should have been there is deleted, there's no retrieving it. And the clipping distortion is there anyway.
Thank goodness they are, but "good taste in music" doesn't mean limiting yourself to a few genres.
>might as well convert your music to 112 kbps MP3 and claim it's an "artistic choice".
You are joking but...
Took Robo Kitty by Excision and made that shit not clip.
The dynamic range is unaffected as it is all still there.
I'll go ahead and say yeah, without looking at the audio waveforms
Fair point, it is supposed to be a surreal, hellish, dissonant and chaotic death metal landscape after all.
No it's not.
Audacity automatically lowers it to the point where the loudest part of the song just barely doesn't clip.
It's the loudest point.
Notice how it hits the ceiling without clipping?
Not that anon, but what he's done is basically turn the mix down while keeping the ceiling the same.
This DOES prevent clipping but it can sometimes result in watery-sounding audio.
If the source is high enough quality what he's doing could actually work.
You lose information when songs clip. Changing the volume in an audio editor just makes the clipped audio quieter. It's sort of like taking a really blocky jpg, resizing it to half of it's original size and claiming that you've fixed it.
I use both because of necessity but hate them equally. Both sites are full of edgy redpilled teenagers. /mu/ is slightly more tolerable because threads here don't devolve into everyone trying to make a shitty joke for upvotes.
The "loudness" war happens because "loud" music is more profitable and it's aimed at total retards.It's basically aimed at retards who listen to 128kbps Kanye West mp3s on their Beats and think they've got the most amazing set up in the world. Since these retards can't tell the difference between bad and good audio, they wrongly assume the louder something is, the better it is. It also helps because retards who listen to Kanye West would probably get bored if a 3 minute song wasn't constantly turned to 11.
Reddit's general music subreddit is terrible. It has some smaller music subreddits dedicated to certain genres, which are okay.
Reddit's karma system is both it's strong and weak point simultaneously.
Reddit's karma system is good in theory but it's completely misused. It's supposed to be there to downvote content that doesn't add to a discussion, instead everyone uses it to downvote opinions they don't like. Most subreddits turn into circlejerks since unpopular opinions get censored with downvotes.
Same with 4chan's anonymity and lack of moderation. In theory it could be a good thing, but people abuse it to bait and shitpost.
I agree with you, except I think you should look at /r/letstalkmusic or /r/truemusic to discuss music instead of the default sub. It's terrible and a hugbox, but /mu/ isn't much better in many ways.
Those subs don't attempt to reach for upvotes, because it isn't a big subreddit.
Some infamous albums:
Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory? (considered the 'catalyst' of the loudness war)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Californication
Green Day - American Idiot
Slipknot - Vol. 3 (The Subliminal Verses)
Linkin Park - The Hunting Party
Metallica - Death Magnetic
Thank God there is MFSL, DCC, Analogue Productions and Audio Fidelity.
He produced all of them. There's a correlation in this case that does, in fact, imply causation. Most of the albums that >>62062152 were produced by Rubin as well.
Think of the possibilities here.
1. It just so happened that Rubin got paired with really shitty engineers on all of his recent projects so he's getting heat for it
2. Rubin wanted them mastered that way and so requested it
Just because he's not the official mastering engineer doesn't mean that he couldn't have any influence on the mastering. If he recorded the tracks with an insane amount of clipping, there's no mastering in the world that could fix that.
>1. It just so happened that Rubin got paired with really shitty engineers on all of his recent projects so he's getting heat for it
We are talking about mastering, not production.
>2. Rubin wanted them mastered that way and so requested it
>If he recorded the tracks with an insane amount of clipping
Most likely he wasn't even present during the sessions. Look it up.
You don't understand the problem, compression lowers the dynamic range meaning the amplitude of the quietest and loudest signals come closer together. You can't undo that just by lowering the amplitude of the whole thing.
For those that don't understand the problem, imagine how underwhelming Thus Spoke Zarathustra would sound if the quietest parts weren't that much quieter than the loudest parts.