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why don't we have rockstars anymore?
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We do
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Someone made a post in some earlier thread about how having the internet and everything readily available at everyone's fingertips has made it difficult for anyone to really achieve that status anymore, and also that the way the industry is at the moment is also preventing it.
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>>61971083
We see through their bullshit now
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>>61971118

gosh, he's rather handsome isn't he
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>>61971172
What bullshit?
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We do
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The internet honestly.
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>>61971201
People used to idolize rock stars and think they some how had the answers to life. We realize now that they're just people just like us
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>>61971138
This.

Rock stars were able to become larger than life figures because we didn't know where they came from / their personal history.

If you mean the specific rock genre, its because its mostly played out. It sounds silly but its all been done in terms of standard rock.
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>>61971279
did they?
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>>61971194
You'd think so with the goatee but really not really.
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>>61971326
...yes
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We do
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>>61971083
we do
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because white guilt has lead the media to lower forms of music like Kanye-esque poprap
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>>61971318
I'm pretty sure there can still be interesting things done with rock.
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Cuz ppl know now that they are overrayed musicians with overinflated egos.
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>>61971413
Death Grips
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>>61971083
Is justin bieber the kurt of our generation?
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>>61971083
Frankly I'm glad the whole rock star thing is dead as it caused millions of people to idolize people like Axl Rose who was just as fake as the average popstar. Oh and Kurt Cobain sure he's real and he's indie but lets face it Nirvana was never a great band, good sure and Smells like Teen Spirit is a great song but he could never make an album not marred by lesser tracks.
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>>61971718
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Rock isn't as popular as rap, so we have rap stars instead
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>>61972000
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>>61971718
>whiny little pop pretty boy with shit music

yes.
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Because now rock isn't as commercially successful. Most of the talent follows the money, so only really dedicated rock bands don't get sucked in.
All 'wrong generashun' crap aside, I do think there will be a big rock revival in the next few years. There are way too many people who still prefer 60s-70s music for the industry to continue forever the way it's going, we just need a new band with real talent that can't be seduced by the money to rise up and claim the throne.
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>>61971927
>Mentions Smells Like Teen Spirit
Man, that is just one among dozens and dozens of Nirvana songs, and most of them are better.
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>>61971378
THIS
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>>61971399
>>61971234
>>61971138
Combination of all of these
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>>61971083
What about Jack White?
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>>61971118
real
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>>61972304
And Josh Homme and David Grohl?
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>>61971083

because fucking teenagers started getting contracts since they didnt have to actually have a real job and get a car and go out on gigs, they could just sit at home on mommy's internet and upload a song to Myspace
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hard to take these people seriously anymore when they post all lowercase mispelt gibberish on their twitter feeds.
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>>61972332
dave grohl wishes he was a rockstar, but he is actually human shit.
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>>61972304
>>61972332
Sure these guys are famous amongst todays rock performers, but its nothing like what rockstars of the 70s and 80s were
Im not really sure thats a bad thing though
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>>61972412
Well of course they aren't as big. because Rock as a whole isn't as big. But there are still rockstars being produced. They're just not as big as Rolling Stones or Beatles, because the numbers aren't there.

Black Keys were pretty big too.
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>>61972332
>Josh Homme
based anon
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>>61972569
He's popular all over /mu/. I'm not based desu, I'm just simply stating.
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>>61972470
>because Rock as a whole isn't as big. But there are still rockstars being produced
I mean, I think that was his point. But I'm not really sure

What used to be the role of rockstars has been supplanted by meme rappers
probably for the best though
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>>61972569

wait, that guy who had 1 hit is a rock star legend that anyone not into the genre would still recognize?

the fact that anon put him in the same sentance as Dave is pretty cringe
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>>61972470

you realize GNR was only relevant for literally 5 years right?

in fact Appetite didnt even succeed when it first released in 1987, it wasnt till they released Sweet Child O Mine, then got Geffen to re-release the album a year later in 88 that it took off

so from 1988 to 1991, not even 5 years and here we are 25+ years later and people will still recognize Axl or Slash
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>>61972603
Well rappers are the hottest thing now, just like Rock was. People treated Rock back in the early days like Rap now. I know it's kinda obnoxious when Kanye or ASAP Rocky compare themselves to Elvis and say they're the new rockstars but they're right.

There will always be some sub popular scene going on that's second to pop and making people divided on it until it becomes excepted, only to be replaced by another thing.

Whether it's Jazz, Rock, Punk, or Rap.
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>>61971083

>we blackstars now
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>>61971083
You can't be a star playing rock music anymore
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>>61972569
I like him in Good Mythical Morning
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>>61971083
Lil' wayne is the best rocker out there.
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>>61971083

Rock isn't mainstream anymore, people look to hip hop and EDM. They're tired of the white sadboy shit. Back in those days no one ever saw your personality so you could be introverted and whatnot. Thats why people like Mac DeMarco are big, hes anti-sadboy and has a fun personality
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>>61971083
ISIS are the rockstars of the 21st century
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>>61972971
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTurfn7vvCk
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>>61972984
>They're tired of the white sadboy shit

Being a rockstar had fuck all to do with that, and the one time that most popular bands were like that in the grunge-era, they were anti-rockstars.
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>>61973071
this
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Being a rockstar was about exaggerated macho posturing. That stuff is no longer acceptable in our society. But thankfully it is in hip-hop, so we get Kanye instead.
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>>61972000
this
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>>61973471
>>61973516
hi can you not thanks
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I DINDU NUFFIN WHY U DELETE MAH COMMENT? THIS WHITE MEN AL WAYS WANT TO FUCK US
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>>61973407
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>>61973516
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>>61971083
I think one of the reasons why is that rock musicians today just aren't that outspoken or rebellious. They don't cause controversy. Hip hop/rap artists, in contrast, do. Eminem has insulted countless people and entities in his songs. Kanye gets a lot of hate from people for his stunts at the Grammies, thinking so highly of himself, and probably some other stuff too yet he's one of the most popular artists in music today. Now these artists are not just built on controversy alone. They obviously have talent and skill as shown by their music. However I do believe that it still helped them get to where they are today.

That's what rock needs today. It needs a rebel. And it's going to get one at some point. It's happened before. Hell that's practically what rock and roll is built on.
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>>61971532
>Death Grips
>Rock
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idk rock is pretty dead compared to what it was and it's not gonna make a comeback any time soon
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>>61973677
What was it?
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>>61974542
I can't even imagine being some 70s rock purist at this point in time. I mean it's not like there's not plenty of rock-"ish" bands making music but for someone who only likes the sound or 70s hard rock or something it must be hell right now.
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the internet destroyed rock and roll.

all there is now is pop, hip hop and dance beats to play at clubs
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>>61971194
Nice white guilt.
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>>61974843
there is plenty of great rock being made, its just that top 40 radio doesn't care about it anymore. Which is almost certainly a good thing for the music's quality
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>>61973774
Indie rockers are all such pussies. I think this is definitely part of it. Nice is boring.

Rock music seems to only exist in extremes now, soft rock is boring. Hard rock seems like parody.
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>>61971083
because rock isn't pop music anymore
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>>61971371
Did they? Because they didn't. We just have rappers now instead because hip-hop is in vogue.
>>61971118
Just the new face of trash for idiots
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You can't get away with trashing hotel rooms anymore like 60s/70s/80s bands did because now most hotels require you to have a credit card so they can charge you if you try to skip town without paying damages. You used to be able to just drop cash for a night, but thanks in part to bands like them, that is no more.

The point I'm making is that "bad boy" rock star types aren't around much anymore because people don't put up with that kind of shit now. There are probably numerous reasons for this but people don't think rock stars should be able to get away with that kind of thing just because they're famous anymore. Back in the 70s people thought it was cool when Led Zeppelin partied hard, but not as much now. Like it or not, people want their rock stars to be "nice guys" like Dave Grohl now.
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Because most of them became Blackstars.
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>>61972202
I don't there's going to be a "big rock revival". It's going to become like jazz: niche and irrelevant to popular culture. Hell it practically already is that way; there hasn't been a hit rock song in over 5 years.
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>>61971083
Please just please stop with the overrated cobian... there is tons of other musicians worth mentioning.

I am not saying that he isnt good because he is but please give some other guys credit instead of always just him
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>>61974843
>the internet destroyed rock and roll.
Nah, rock just reached the end of its shelf life. All the good riffs have been used. Seems like all genres of popular music have a commercial shelf life of 50 years. Jazz was '20s to '70s. Rock was '50s to '00s.
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>>61974510
>Implying Jenny Death isn't the rock album of the decade
I'm not even memeing, it's rock in most of its sound and entirely in its spirit.
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>>61975124
(two drums and a cymbal can be heard falling off a cliff in the distance.)
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>>61975231
What's more prone to dethrone hiphop then? Or are you suggesting it's just going to stay pop forever?
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>>61975392
not that guy, but its way too early to tell
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>>61975392
If I knew that I'd be making music right now. I'm guessing it's going to be some form of electronic music (not EDM per se). In the same way that hip-hop started in part because inner city youths couldn't afford instruments, electronic music is going to become big because it's the cheapest and easiest way to make music today.

I love rock music but I just don't see it becoming culturally relevant again. Rock needs to become sexy and dangerous again for that to happen. What would that even sound like? It can't sound like any of the sexy dangerous bands of the past, because most kids don't want to listen to their dad's/granddad's music.
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Any Father John Misty fans here? Not a full blown rockstar per se, but in certain performances the dude can fucking kill it. Here: https://youtu.be/LycxaMcbYHs
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>>61975929
Fuck I'm late. Nevermind.
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Sebastian Bach axle rose Vince Neil Ian astbury when gods walked the Earth
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Rock seems like music for old people because all the iconic rock groups got old.

Same thing will happen to hip hop. Ten or fifteen more years max. Dub step and EDM seem to be fading out so there more like disco that rock or hip hop in terms of impact. Really not sure what will be big next. Maybe nothing. Maybe people will all just listen to local music made by their cousins and shit and bit global music icons will be a thing of the past.

New kanye song when?
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>>61971373
rivers cuomo is a 90´s meme, it doesn´t count.
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When was the last time that a proper rock song or band was really relevant in the mainstream? I'm thinking QOTSA or Foo Fighters back in 2006ish, or maybe RHCP with Stadium Arcadium. Granted I haven't really been a music geek for years so there might have been something more recent.
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>>61971138
We'll never have sex symbols like Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, or James Dean either.
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Ty....Segal
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>>61977517
It's mostly been very poppy rock stuff or "indie" pop for tumblr and car commercials. Stuff like Pumped Up Kicks, Gotye, MGMT, etc. a few years ago. plus shit like coldplay
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Because that's not where the money is. The money is with teenage girls.

There are still genuine rockstars, but they're no longer allowed to have a podium by the big labels.
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>>61972958
>.< did u really just say that :P
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>>61971083
it's problematic and might offend some transotherkin
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>>61972202
>>61975231

Rock will come back. These things are cyclical. It became too ubiquitous, too popular. People are bored with it, and when Jack White is trying to sell you coke, why wouldn't they be.

But, it will be back, like everything does. People are even listening to Phil Collins unironically again.
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1) All the rock songs have already been written. Rock is dead. It's been done. All the songs and genre developments have reached a conclusion. Anything now would be treading old ground and would never sound as exciting.

2) The internet has lead to a slight broadening of music. More independent musicians are making a living than ever before, and independent music is more fashionable, therefore discerning music fans won't be looking for mainstream options.

3) The cost of touring is now prohibitive. Rob Swire of Pendulum said he chucked it in because he wasn't making ends meet. If a band at that level can't make it work, then I guess most can't. The increased costs are due to labels making less on albums due to internet piracy "HURR THE BANDS MAKE ALL THEIR MONEY TOURING", who the fuck funds the tours, then? The labels. And if they ain't selling albums, then they ain't funding rock band tours. So called music fans killed band tours. Nice one everybody.

4) The consolidation of record labels. There used to be a much larger number of mid sized record labels, but they have mostly been consumed by the big 3. This means that profits are now driven by the lowest common denominator effect, where the market is most profitable catering to the most homogenised lowest acceptable standard of product, which is your Pop Idol/X Factor type bullshit.

There you have it.
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>>61979613
I think there is still stuff to do with Rock, it's just that nobody cares enough to do anything. I'd say modern music is kinda boring because nobody cares about innovating, but I doubt that's true and I don't even listen to that much modern stuff.

When was the last time someone invented a new genre, though?
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>>61979697

I would argue that the last new genre was bro-step.
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>>61979722
I mean a completely new genre, not an offshoot of a genre.
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Ariel Pink
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>>61971118
>>61971225

Because most white people are cuckolds who will worship black men if pop culture tells them too.
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>>61979789
>worshiping white trash icons instead

i don't see the difference to be honest
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>>61979743
>completely new genre
It isn't possible.

"New genres" always has roots in previous genres & music made the past decades.
Metal is based on hard rock, blues, psychedelic rock, etc.
Black was basesd on thrash.
Punk was based on 1960s garage, psychedelic rock, glam, etc.
the list goes on.
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>>61979743

But that's how all genres develop, like a branching tree.

Well you could say dubstep then.

That was the last new genre. Which was just an offshoot of garage, which was just an offshoot of hip-hop, which was just an offshoot of disco, which was just an offshoot of baroque pop.

But if you don't think rock is dead then try to think of a new way of doing rock. It's all done.

Make it distorted? Thousands of metal bands.
Make it ambient? Post-rock.
Make it long-form? Prog.
Add electronics and sounds? Industrial metal.
Bring it back to basics? 90s indie.
Combine it with dance music? Dance punk.
Combine it with ethnic music? New wave.
Combine it with noise? No wave.
Combine it with hip-hop? Rap rock.

There's nowhere, nowhere at all for it to go. Rock is dead. Dead, dead, dead. Done. Dusted. In fact I'd argue that all popular music is basically dead and now we're just filling in the few gaps, the tiny few remaining gaps between genres, but I guarantee that there's to be no real musical progression from here on in. Get used to it.
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>>61979801
That's kinda what I meant. I'd say metal is a genre and rock is another, but math rock is just a form of rock.
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>>61979806
So we'll just be listening to the same shit eventually? That sounds dumb.
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>>61979743
give me an example of a genre not built off another genre
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>>61979798

Nah. If you're white and you like rap, you have a cuckold fetish. Not trying to be funny or insulting. It's just true.

White males actually bought this album and praised Kanye West for it. They gave him their money for this.
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>>61971083
damn axl was handsome
dont get fat people
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>>61971083
Axl still is, but he's not fun or cool, just annoying.

Kurt basically caused the end of rockstars.
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>>61979925
>THEIR STELIN OUR WOMEN

ok stop im not gonna fall for this
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>>61979992

Nobody is saying that. The issue of taking white women didn't come up until Kanye decided to make an album cover symbolising taking white women. And white people, the ball now in their court, decided to purchase that album and support it.
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>>61972000
the world has become hell then
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>>61974860
found the brainwashed /pol/fag
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>>61971118
>>61971225
>>61971378
>>61972000
>>61972310
>>61972743
>>61972971
>>61973133
you same fagging hard
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>>61979925
>If you're white and you like rap, you have a cuckold fetish.
ok thats mind numbingly fucking retarded. i dont even like rap. thats like saying if youre white and like rock, youre racist. when did this place become tumblr 2?
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>>61980116
No, we were all just right.
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>>61971138
>>61972652
>>61973016
You guys are alright.
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>>61980018
>The issue of taking white women didn't come up until Kanye decided to make an album cover symbolising taking white women

That cover is fake you retard
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>>61972569
I like some queens music but this guy is so meat and potatoes, at least Cobain had a little intellectual grist to him.
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>>61975929
lol, terrible. middle of the road buttrock gussied up a little for the iphone crowd
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>>61979771
this bloated jew faggot is some kind of cultural nadir, kids are so hyper-ironic they mistake ironic repackaging of old music for culture
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>>61971083
Because we are living in the Age of Memes now and rockstars drown in it.
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>>61971083
>>61971118
compared to these we dont have any less rock stars
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>>61977517
Nu-metal, however cringey it is today, I think almost reached that relevancy during it's peak.
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>>61971118
He's such a fucking piece of trash.
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>>61980705
We need a Rockstars that embraces memes then.
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>>61971083
because rock is dead anon
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>>61973774
>That's what rock needs today. It needs a rebel.

More than that, it needs a rebel who is actually able to craft some catchy-as-hell hooks and choruses.
The ones that everybody and their grannies would whistle.

What was the last great rock song like that? Was it seven nation army? Cant think of anything else right now
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>>61980878
just like all rock stars
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>>61972350
Give me one example of a musician getting a contract releasing music exclusively on MySpace (or similar) an not doing gigs.
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>>61982222
checked
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>>61971083
Maybe people realised that they were pretentious egomaniacal faggots and nobody cares anymore.

Oh but wait you fags still cream yourselves over the nigger from death grips though so that's not it.

Eh, rock and metal are dead I guess. It's all about electronica nowadays.
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>>61971083
Rock music isn't as popular.
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>>61982222
Fucking checked, m8.
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>>61972332
>Dave grohl
Fuck off back to Reddit.
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lol no one listens to rock anymore dad. put on some Skrillex or 2Chainz why are we listening to this stupid guitar music?
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>>61979613
>touring is prohibitive
You might want to tell that to the tons of bands that are almost constantly touring.
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>>61974702
>likes the sound or 70s hard rock or something it must be hell right now
>what is the Stoner and Garage Rock scenes
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>>61984116
>2011 music
Get outta here grandpa
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>>61971083
Because this happened
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>like writing and playing classical
>genre has been basically dead for a hundred years
>like writing and playing jazz
>genre has been basically dead for forty years
>like writing and playing rock
>genre has been basically dead for ten years

Fuckin A, now that I'm old enough to understand this shit I'm never going to write something that gets popular now. Fuck.
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>>61982202
Here's the top mainstream rock songs of 2015. Can you remember the hook of any one?

Something From Nothing: Foo Fighters
I Am Machine: Three Days Grace
Face Everything And Rise: Papa Roach
Apocalyptic: Halestorm
Congregation: Foo Fighters
Coming For You: The Offspring
Follow Me Down: The Pretty Reckless
Heavy Is The Head: Zac Brown Band Featuring Chris Cornell
Failure: Breaking Benjamin
Little Monster: Royal Blood
Amen: Halestorm
Cut The Cord: Shinedown
The Vengeful One: Disturbed
Cut The Cord: Shinedown
Footsteps: Pop Evil
The Otherside: Red Sun Rising
Angels Fall: Breaking Benjamin
Throne: Bring Me The Horizon
The Light: Disturbed
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>>61986639
to be fair, middleschoolers are probably the main demographic still buying music
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>>61986639
fuck i only know three bands out of this list and i don't like any of them
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I may get hate for this viewpoint but i believe its accurate.

those who said the internet killed the rockstar is correct.

if there would have been a modern rockstar it would have been taylor momsen and the pretty reckless. here me out before you stop reading

they are a post grunge butt rock band, which in the 90's would have killed it. they had 2 number 1 singles in 2014/2015 and have were on the road for almost three years straight

yet barely anyone knows them or care - but this would be the quintessential rock band to have taken over. but because there's no such thing as album sales, and no singular presence outside of pop/club music stars and remixes- there's literally nothing except them to hope to make money on tours.

before you say its cuz they are generic or not that good - that is irrelevant - those types of bands were leaders in late 90's -2000's .

they would be like the foo fighters - but the foo fighters set it all up pre-internet explosion
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>>61986639
Here's the top just plain old rock songs of 2015 (Billboard used to call this Modern Rock)

SHUT UP AND DANCE: WALK THE MOON
TAKE ME TO CHURCH: Hozier
CENTURIES: Fall Out Boy
UMA THURMAN: Fall Out Boy
RENEGADES: X Ambassadors
EX'S & OH'S: Elle King
BUDAPEST: George Ezra
RIPTIDE: Vance Joy
I BET MY LIFE: Imagine Dragons
STOLEN DANCE: Milky Chance
BELIEVE: Mumford & Sons
STRESSED OUT: twenty one pilots
CECILIA AND THE SATELLITE: Andrew McMahon In The Wilderness
TEAR IN MY HEART: twenty one pilots
SOMEONE NEW: Hozier
IMMORTALS: Fall Out Boy
SHOTS: Imagine Dragons
BROTHER: NEEDTOBREATHE Featuring Gavin DeGraw
FIRST: Cold War Kids
HOLD BACK THE RIVER: James Bay
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>>61971083
Cause we have rappers
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>>61987039
I recognize and hate every single one of these because I hear them all 5x a day at work. Kill me
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>>61987039
what the fuck is Hozier
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>>61971083
Because of the Illuminati pushing degenerate/satanic messages in mainstream music nowadays (aka Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber). If you want to get in as a rockstar nowdays you have to have tons of luck, but then you can fuck up this illuminati system from the inside. Beware though, people like Jeff Buckley were killed for it.
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>>61980080
>
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>>61987364
Some guys who really want to go to church I guess
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The indie scene got big so people started to have their own preferences in rock music and its subgenres since its easily available.
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