Is NIN the only good Industrial?

>>61914417
That album is primarily a rock album though.
Is this b8?

>>61914417

Ministry you fucking pleb

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>>61914417

>>61914417
I'll bite. NIN ruined what industrial music was. Go listen to some Neubauten and Coil and educate yourself.

>>61914484
This post could be b8 to someone.
Neubauten and Coil both practically abandoned their industrial sound halfway through their careers.

>>61914484
Here's the correct answer. Reznor twisted and warped industrial to appeal to the plebeian masses.

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>industrial
>music

>>61914484
this is wrong but okay

>>61914484
>Coil
coil is awful

>>61914484
>muh trve cvlt indvstrial
Industrial elitists are the worst.

>>61914417
Low quality b8 man. You can start by listening to Skinny Puppy (one of Reznor's main influences), Throbbing Gristle and >>61914484

>>61914417
NIN aren't very good OP, listen to Throbbing Gristle or Chrome instead. You could also try This Heat and Pere Ubu or go even further back and listen to the Krautrock groups who predated and heavily influenced later industrial bands, like Faust and Cluster.

>>61914447
lol

>>61914484
lol

Good "entry level" album for someone who only has a vague idea of what industrial music is

>spoonfeed me, guide my taste this is what you've been waiting for anon

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Here's a chart to help you out OP:
I didn't make it but it's surprisingly good as /mu/ charts go.

>>61914417
great album op

don't listen to these faggots


skinny puppy and ministry are okay, but you'll turn into a faggot if you get into them


so, you're okay with nin

pretty great industrial rock, and hella influential too

>>61914830
hey man fuck off Skinny Puppy are amazing

I do agree, Ministry were way better in their early years, they went to shit after a couple of albums.

Also, OP check out 10,000 Homo DJs, a project that involved Reznor and the guys from Ministry iirc

OP here. Thanks for helping out. I honestly don't know anyone irl with good musical taste, and I'm new to 4chan. So please forgive me being uneducated. I'm all alone without your help

>>61914417
listen to brainiac electro shock for president

trent reznor said it was one of his favorite things

it's an example of interactive influence in act

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Going from accessible industrial rock to harder industrial, you could give these a listen:

- Foetus
- The Young Gods
- Einstürzende Neubauten
- Skinny Puppy
- Coil
- NON
- Test Dept.
- Throbbing Gristle
- SPK

Alternatively, if you want something to dance to, look into EBM, electro-industrial etc — Front 242, Front Line Assembly, Nitzer Ebb etc. As >>61914658 said, you can go from post-punk to industrial with Chrome etc. There are pathways from metal, from noise, from techno, from dark ambient, a lot of genres really.

>>61914793
Yeah I was going to post that chart. There was a second one which was just grouped recommendations in Wordpad, so "unfinished" but a solid selection of albums; does anyone have it?

(Pic is completely unrelated, I had attached the chart >>61914793 posted and I don't know how to unattach it except by selecting another one.)

anyone who says nine inch nails (or at least the downward spiral) isn't good has shit taste, but there is plenty of other great industrial. check out throbbing gristle, foetus, or nurse with wound.

>>61914920
I remember that wordpad chart too. It was good. Solid selection.

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>>61914893

>>61914417
NON > NIN

>>61914920
What are The Young Gods' essential releases?

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>>61915785

>>61916700
Thanks anon

>implying generic buttrock with muh electronics appealing to edgy teenagers does resmble industrial music in any way

Industrial as a concept is better than what the genre is, unfortunately.

>>61914793
I really don't like this chart. It's like the guy who made it was strictly trying to avoid each artist's most well known/highly acclaimed album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvlG4Y0KJws

>>61916901
This.
Mission Of Dead Souls? Are you shitting me?

>>61916827
Even though TDS is more synth based than guitar?

>>61916901
I think the same thing every damn time I see it.

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>>61916901
so does anyone know of othher charts? I always loved industrial but only know coil, TG, NIN. SO I guess Things like that. Also Iv'e heard alot about how shitty skinny puppy is from alot of people who like industrial.

>>61917052
You know those bands, but have you listened to all their albums, plus everything from their "camp"?
If not listen to more TG, Coil, Psychic TV, Chris & Cosey, Boyd Rice, SoiSong, Thighpaulsandra, Cyclobe, Drew McDowall, etc.
TG and PTV live albums alone is an absolute fuckload of music.

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>>61916827
Buttrock? Yes.
Generic? No.
TDS is in the same vein as pic related, and the "good" grunge albums.

>>61914539
You mean he made good music?

>>61917377
Both can be true.

>>61914417
They're not the only good industrial band, but they sure as hell have the best singer of all the industrial bands out there.

As a huge fan of Ministry, KMFDM, Skinny Puppy, and NIN, I often find the 'industrial' voice used by Ministry and Skinny Puppy to be really grating. I never have that problem with Trent's voice.

Also, TDS is god-tier.

>>61917401
He found getting famous and being almost mainstream annoying, so I think it's more a case of him making good yet incidentally accessible music. He was never aiming for popularity.

>>61914575
Agreed. So underwhelming.

>>61917424
>'industrial' voice

It's just straight up yelling

>>61914575
>opinions

>>61917535
>"straight up yelling"
>something I can never have
>sanctified
>gave up
>piggy
>closer
>reptile
>hurt
>la mer
>the perfect drug
>the list goes on
imagine being this ignorant

>>61917535
>>'industrial' voice
>It's just straight up yelling
That would be power electronics. Most industrial uses more traditional spoken word, singing (when there are melodies at all), etc.

>>61917535
kek this man is posting in the music board.

>>61917685
>I often find the 'industrial' voice used by Ministry and Skinny Puppy
>by Ministry and Skinny Puppy

It was "yelling" in opposition to Trent's voice. Imagine being this ignorant.

>>61917786
PE vocals are dank though.
Phillip Best's lyricism is a whole thing.

>>61917851
oh

Industrial is the best genre.

>>61917986
I actually find it hard to label Trent's work as "industrial" because it's not, it's more "synths in rock". Industrial is a whole scene NIN's music would never slot perfectly into. Even Trent has stated he doesn't think his work is industrial.

>>61918063
True innovators within a genres don't usually consider themselves to be of that genre, sometimes attempting to distance themselves from any percieved ties.
Notable exception: Can, who considered themselves a literal progressive rock band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FJL3Xg6Y0

Is this industrial?

>>61918163
Would you classify PHM as industrial or synthrock?

>>61918248
And or noise

There's a pretty big overlap between the harsher and more experimental industrial with noise

>>61918293
PHM doesn't actually break out the guitar that often, it's basically evil synthpop, like Black Celebration era Depeche Mode but somewhat harder and darker

>>61918293
new wave-ish synthpop that utilizes alternative rock guitars

>>61918335
yeah that's a pretty good definition actually.
I still think NIN is like, industrial noise rock

industrinoise rock

there.

pretty hate machine = synthpop
broken = industrial metal
the downward spiral = industrial rock
the fragile = experimental rock
with teeth = alternative rock
year zero = glitch pop
ghosts i-iv = ambient
the slip = industrial rock
hesitation marks = electronic pop

>>61918470
^This.

Does Godflesh count?

>>61918599
Industrial Metal

So yeah

>>61918063
NIN isn't true industrial. It's synth rock, and he's made more than just rock music, he's made electronic, and dark ambient which is an offshoot of industrial.

Legit industrial makes heavy use of recorded material to create sound collages and noise.

>>61914417
Death Grips are really good industrial rap.

>>61918712
this

>>61916901
well, it does include The Land of Rape & Honey

other than that I more or less agree though

>>61918335
>evil synthpop
So darkwave then.

>>61918738
And Le Diktat are really good Industrial Hop

https://youtu.be/6pjeBMsZv_g

Where do I start with Current 93?

>>61918248
That is definitely industrial.

>>61919135
Fug if I know.
I think Thunder Perfect Mind and Theinmostlight trilogy are good examples of Current 93.
I like the Octopus album that Tibet did with Steven Stapleton.

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Any one know any other good Skinny Puppy revival bands?

>>61914905
Brainiac isn't industrial at all but they are in fact fucking phenomenal

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>>61914417

Define "industrial" please. That definition of music is so nebulous to me.

>>61920719
where did he say they were industrial and how is that at all relevant?

>>61920765
See my NIN quote.

>>61918712
>Legit industrial makes heavy use of recorded material to create sound collages and noise.

>>61920719
>isn't industrial at all
lots of their songs combine industrial elements with rock music

so basically you don't know what you're talking about

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>>61920842
>>61920946
Why are you being so agressive, chill guys.

>>61920985
It's serious night tonight, no fun allowed.

Blam honey is one of my favourite industrial Japanese bands.

http://youtu.be/E1W4Sw2vIPY

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>>61914417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odKf7_sA5HQ

obviousy...

>>61920985
trent reznor, is that you?

>>61920946
"Synths" are not the only requisite to be industrial dude. Brainiac sounds more like noise rock meets Joy Division's post punky synth usage

>>61920842
This is a thread about industrial music and he specifixally mentioned Reznor's direct influence (even though it was left out of context as he didn't mention Brianiac as a direct influence until With Teeth)

>>61914575
>>61917514
You need to listen to more Coil

>>61915004
I completely disagree, NON is shit despite Boyd being an entertaining guy. Boyd with Death In june is pretty good though

>>61921034

I forgot about this! Thanks anon.

Also throbbing gristle is a must for anyone who was they like industrial, pretty much invented it.

http://youtu.be/Y8klW9trVTQ

>>61914417
You need to check out KMFDM if that's what you're thinking right now.

I wouldn't go as far as to say the only good industrial music out there, that's just fucking stupid and shows you haven't really dug deep into the genre. The Downward Spiral however is among the best industrial albums for sure, anyone who say's it's not industrial is a contrarian hipster faggot. The way trent warped sound and noise and combined all the best elements of noise and industrial tropes with great song writing is an accomplishment.

>>61921139
Boyd with DI6 is great, but NON is also great.
Might! is an amazing album, Total War is one of the definitive industrial songs, and Back To Mono is really underrated.

>>61914417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcwtWKkqxwM

>>61921238
Total War is pretty cool, but a lot of non is just way too repetitive and boring as far as noise goes. I don't think boyd is as interesting of a musician as he is a personality

>>61921041
brainiac has nothing in common with joy division or post-punk at all

you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about

>>61921290
It's repetitive, but that's part of the point. It respects and exemplifies the bludgeoning monotony of classic industrial and power electronics.
Plus, Boyd does allow subtle details and changes to creep into the sound as well, which is part of his genius.

>>61920668
Youth Code.

>>61921175
>▶
Only "Shamans" and people who have lived or worked in factory areas can appreciate industrial.

>>61921351
I guess Velvet Acid Christ would count too. I just hate supporting that guy because whines like a little bitch during live shows about how poor and pathetic he is.

If you want to laugh, follow the dude on Facebook. Once a month Bryan Erickson gets on the VAC page to sell his gear and bitch about how it's impossible for him to get booked and how he never makes money from touring.

>>61914793
I still have no idea how industrial and ambient turned into highly homosexual dance music.

>>61921339
I like TG and Whitehouse, I can't really get into NON as it's just too dull imo

>>61920668
By Any Means Necesarry, Youth Code, High Functioning Flesh

>>61921466
Fucking MDMA abuse is to blame for a lot of things.

>>61921466
It's a good combination, suck it

>>61914417
wait what
how has no one mentioned Rammstein? Best Industrial metal band on the Earth.

>>61921471
The NON stuff that's purely loop-based is best appreciated as ambient music, but later NON albums like Might! actually have spoken word songs on them.
It's okay to not like everything, and I agree that Boyd and DI6 together are better than their component parts.
NON had Douglas P and Rose McDowall in it at one point, so there is that facet of the project.

>>61921531
Can confirm this.

My gf abused MDMA and this was what she thought industrial was.

>>61921534
This.
Stuff like acid house Coil and PTV is great.

>>61921466
>>61921632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf07dFC8Yvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28-Y7bIERr0

>>61921364

It saddens me that people think NIN is the standard sound of what industrial is when it's not even fucking close.

>>61921632
There's not enough Coil in this style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49vRp1qiLxU

>>61921716
Backwards is fantastic senpai.

>>61921699
it's not just with industrial and not just with music.

>>61921364
I'm both so I get it, my dad was also a construction man and I listened to power tools all the time growing up

>>61921760
I worked in a factory as well. The discipline, the mind organization, the psychologicals everybody gets from time to time, the sounds, the bars...

>>61921760
This is what music is about. Your culture. Suburb kids gathering and saying let us do an industrial band just confirms their supermarket culture.

Is the Legendary Pink Dots good?

What is their essentials?

>>61921883
They're good.
I have The Crushed Velvet Apocalypse and The Gethsemane option on my ipod right now.
Alchemical Playschool is good too.

>>61914575
no

>>61921182
KMFDM is even less industrial than NIN

>>61921866
I live in a mobile home park in an industrial area, does that count?

>>61921987
:D

>>61921987
Just said my opinion man...

>>61921364
>>61921760
>>61921835
>>61921866
Industrial music had nothing to do with factory/construction settings and sounds. The reason it is labeled "industrial" is because industrial was the label throbbing gristle, the pioneers, started. Other bands that had similar aesthetics were grouped in with the label.

>>61922061
Industrial music is more about modern technologically induced alienation

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>>61914417
This album is an absolute masterpiece. If you haven't heard it before then you are missing out so much in your life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2sttBzip-8

>>61922061
This.
That's why people who listen to TG expecting rhythmic kling klang music are often disappoint.

>>61922091
Industrial started as experimentation with tape music and electronics with a punk ethos. Often times dealing with transgressive topics

>>61921578
this is correct

>>61922163
>>61921578

>you share a board with these people

>>61922163
Rammstein ripped off Killing Joke's Millennium song. Listen to it and you will hear the Rammstein similarity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2PZydQuSFI

This album was released the same year Rammstein were formed.

>>61921696
Lot of samples in the beginning also used on Ape of Naples. Big fan of this, sounds like a Love's Secret Domain era track.

>>61922201
I know. I'm trying not to engage with them.

>>61922201
ok who is the best industrial metal band then in your enlightened opinion?

>>61922108
A lot of throbbing gristle is rhthmic though, especially their later preformances. Alot of the styles and tropes of industrial combine a lot really well

>>61922211
It is an LSD-era track. It's the b-side of the Nasa Arab single. And yes, I Don't Get It uses the same sample.

>>61922243
I just meant if one were to start with Second Annual Report.

>>61922211
The best thing about the song imo, is that it has an actual, honest-to-goodness bass drop in the middle.

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>>61914417
Tabarnak...mon ostie de plebien sale, j'espere que cé une ostie de joke...
https://youtu.be/POgVyviZdeA

>>61922218
Not him, but my favorite industrial metal band is probably either Ministry or Strapping Young Lad.

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Un autre pour toé..mon criss de OP attardé qui devrais jamais faire de post sur st'ostie de site la...
https://youtu.be/U_7-g4zHbsM

>>61918470
I can agree with this

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Parce que je me sens généreux..mes criss de paysans sale...
https://youtu.be/z5WN3s4NCoQ

>>61918470
Recoiled is industrial though :^)

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Best industrial song ever incoming

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wKxw_NwF5pE

What are some other acts that mixed noise with industrial à la NON, early SPK?
>inb4 Whitememe, Puce Mary

>>61922521
Skullflower. They're still doing it too.

>>61921466
to be fair, EBM is the only good dance music there is

>>61922207
The style is similar, but it's not like any of the songs Rammstein has. Lots of bands are similar in that regard.
>>61922214
>>61922201
Alright, how about OOMPH! or Eisbrecher?

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>>61922521
Hanatarash

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>>61922577
T'as ben raison, Bubba..
https://youtu.be/IZbA7gAenk4

>>61922577
Someone needs to bring back horror house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgm-ihUIGlo

>>61922577
>Powernoise
>Industrial Techno
>Minimal Techno
>Micro House
>Acid House

>>61922521
sutcliffe jugend

>>61922513
why

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>>61922735
>goth's will never exist again

what a world we live in

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>>61922787
Il y en a deux dans ma ville, un couple, lel...

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>>61922608
yes this is industrial

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>>61922787
https://youtu.be/o-I6V1-a-5M

>>61922521
Controlled bleeding

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>>61922787
>Get slapped by a fat goth hippopotamus when 14 in a pogo.

>>61914793
>using And All That Could Have Been and not Further Down the Spiral
Overall the second half of that chart is pretty bad.

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>>61923134
>fat goth

Se marde la devrait jamais arrivé, esse, les goths devrais toujours etre ridiculement maigre...
https://youtu.be/w_CmKZWby5g

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>>61914417
This is what I consider to be perfect industrial, if it is even industrial at all

>>61924343
post industrial is a better descriptor but only if you want to get pedantic. it's a god tier album either way.

is it wrong if I like more the ambient and electronic projects of trent instead of the more rock/industrial oriented albums like with teeth and downard spiral?

>>61924343
>Black metal fags will never stop trying to claim this for their genre
>Doom metal fags will never stop trying to claim Author and Punisher for them

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>>61914417
I AM RAPE
I AM HATE