This is the general for the advanced listener and musician. These threads will be a regular occurrence for those who either;
a) People who've been listening to music seriously for 5+ years
b) People with musical training and regularly perform music
Don't be offended, this is not meant to be pretentious, its just some of us have moved past the general essentials, p4k BNM and the latest hype album and have more developed tastes. No /mu/core, BNM, Fantanocore or chart music allowed.
What music have you been enjoying lately?
>Don't be offended, this is not meant to be pretentious, its just some of us have moved past the general essentials, p4k BNM and the latest hype album and have more developed tastes. No /mu/core, BNM, Fantanocore or chart music allowed.
If that was true, you wouldn't be posting here.
so we can only talk about shitty improv style music in this thread?
I have been "seriously" listening to and playing music for over 20 years and it is elitism like this thread which is killing the media form.
But by all means, let's wank each other off over field recordings in the internets biggest rendition of the Emperors New Clothes...
I'm 28 years old, I'm probably older than the majority of people on /mu/. I've studied music theory in college for five years. I play more than five instruments including guitar and violin. I'm part if a rock duo and I perform monthly at various places. We've been working on an album since 2014. I think I know what I'm talking about.
Am i allowed to post itt?
Can we talk about this album? I think "advanced" listeners who are still fans of rock music would enjoy it.
>implying you need to be 35+ to have been listening to music for 20 years.
>mongolian freestyle jazz
Are you so ignorant you think outside of p4kcore and the essentials there is only chart pop or ''lol so obscure EAI''? Do you really think /mu/ talks about ALL regular music except ''normiecore''?
I am not implying that /mu/ represents all music in the world - there are a limited number of users and a limited number of threads at any one time, from a specific demographic.
The issue is the term "serious". How does something being more obscure make it more "serious"??? Or even "better" in any reasonable way?
I know loads of retarded dickheads who listen to ska music
there isn't anything inherently better or worse about any style of music, its just what you happened to be conditioned to enjoy based on your personal life experiences
Good music doesn't need "aesthetically pleasing" art in order to sell.
I didn't say the music had to be serious, the listener.
Its obvious from one look at the catalog the majority of /mu/ are 17yo who only been listening to music ''seriously'' for the last 6 months.
Not him but I like some first wave, prefer 2-tone though.
Been checking out early mento and rocksteady lately and the first wave of dancehall, its really good, not sure what happened.
I actually think the cover of Snakes is nice.
Hell is Invisible is the ugly one, but you really shouldn't judge a book by its cover, or else you end up listening to shit musicians who could afford to hire a decent graphic designer.
For instance, I'm a big Othon Mataragas fan, and he has some of the worst album art of all time, but he's fucking awesome.
I'm British so it may be different but I know a whole group of guys who religiously listen to early ska music and they are absolute imbeciles in every way imaginable. I doubt a couple of them even have basic literacy skills.
This doesn't reflect the music for me, but for you it clearly does. The age old bullshit pleb/patrician nonsense.
>music 16-17 years
>instruments 15-16 years
A lot of them just live the life.
They're crusty kids who like GG and Leftöver Crack and stuff. The old ones who actually lived in the scene just have a taste for it.
Who needs to give a reason when your whole essence just screams crust punk?
recently returned to my high school days
it's all butthole surfers, faith no more, hammerhead and pic related
>Crust punks are fucking idiots btw.
I don't disagree, but who are you to say what an avanced listener is? If someone is more into a specific genre of music than I am, I'm not afraid to admit that they probably have a more advanced undertanding of said genre.
Only stupid people assume that smart people "appreciate art" more than stupid people.
You guys like soul/funk music?
Any good albums/comps you been listening to?
What did you guys think of pic related from last year?
>they probably have a more advanced undertanding of said genre.
But you just said
>Who needs to give a reason
Clearly they don't know.
>Only stupid people assume that smart people "appreciate art" more than stupid people.
Except we are looking for the reasons they appreciate the music, not their intelligence (despite the correlation)
"I HAVE A MORE ADVANCED TASTE OF SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE"
get the fuck over yourselves.
Haha holy shit
How far up your own ass do you have to be to try and create a thread like this?
>implying anything that is popular is not worth listening to
>implying people that are listening to music for 5+ years are automatically advanced
>implying people who regularly perform automatically have better taste than those who don't
Congrats, you just made the most pretentious post in the whole year, and it's not even February yet.
some fiery midwest emo that has impressed me lately
czech it out
I've never actually asked any of them why they like the music, because I know why they like the music. It's a rock sub-genre. You don't need an erudite understanding of popular music to be an advance popular music consumer.
Assuming that pop music appreciation requires any knowledge whatsoever is pretentious. This is why stupid people can have great taste in popular music.
Art music requires more of an understanding, which is why most people don't bother with it, but that doesn't make them wrong, and it doesn't make their taste bad, because they can have great taste in whatever music they choose to explore.
yfw op thought he was onto some sort of exclusive club of performing musician genius's and all he got was to be btfo in his house faggatory.
Well one does not seriously listen to music when they are 2.
>I've never actually asked any of them why they like the music
What do you think their answer will be? Remember we're talking about Crusties here
>You don't need an erudite understanding of popular music to be an advance popular music consumer.
If you can't properly explain why you appreciate something, you shouldn't be listening to it, let alone posting in this thread
>This is why stupid people can have great taste in popular music.
You mean listening to the right things for the wrong reasons?
>but that doesn't make them wrong, and it doesn't make their taste bad
I didn't say being a pleb is bad. Just that they shouldn't be here.
What are you doing here?
Sure you can, if you don't know why you listen to art music.
My whole point is that the axiomatic triangle exists for a reason.
Advanced art music consumption requires a different approach than advanced pop music consumption.
Advanced folk music consumption is by far the most hardcore though.
>faux intellectualism =/= advanced listener
You might want to tell that to OP and a lot of other people on /mu/.
Used to be the same station as NPR where I live but it was separated a couple years ago I think. You do realize that radio stations differ depending on where you are right?
>My whole point is that the axiomatic triangle exists for a reason.
So that advanced listeners like me can feel superior to the plebs that listen to popular music, yes. And traditional music is a dumping ground for music by dirty mud hut people. I'm glad someone made a way of easily distinguishing these blights on music from the actually good music.
>renders threads like this as obsolete.
No it doesn't, nowhere did OP say this thread is for ''objectively'' better music.
Think of it like a Powerlifting general on /fit/, its for those who've moved past Zyzzz and gone further than the essentials and sticky.
>generalizing a type of music
>calling people who enjoy any type of art you don't like idiots
You sir are not advance
Well, you seem to be implying that rock music listeners are more advanced than classical listeners, but nobody with that attitude has explored rock music thoroughly enough to have even heard one of the most influential musicians in the genre.
maybe im gettin too old but st. vincent doesnt fit the bill of "advanced" experimental pop
i would say a lot of zolo, like pic related, fits better
Ooops you didn't seem to explain it, even though 1) you made the claim initially and 2) this is a thread for advanced listeners who are expected to articulate their thoughts and 3) You implied you were not a faux intellectual.
Lats chance to explain it.
I'm just going to assume this is b8, because I actually don't know what you're saying now, and we've clearly gone past the point where the discussion can be productive.
Check out Julian Cope if you like rock music.
Their second full length was an improvement in my opinion. Have you heard The Little Explorer? Crash of Rhino member were in that band while it was still a thing.
>tfw no weird avant-garde friends to wear dope masks and play Moroccan songs with
Thats a nice chart.
Anyone here like playing other peoples records of other people playing with other peoples records?
Oh look more excuses.
>Check out Julian Cope if you like rock music.
It's not relevant because I've alreday heard it.
Ooops did you thi9nk this was reddit?
You might be in the wrong thread, this is for advanced listeners.
i hear people talk about reddit on here but i don't know what it is other than some type of forum that is used in a derogatory way
someone tried telling me that everyone both posts on 4chan and reddit and it is a way to outlet both of your personality types, although when on either site they pretend that they use that one exclusively - it's the ultimate meme in a way
Fucks like you killed /mu/.
This place used to be leaking with elitisim and that's what made it fun to come here. Sure, there were p4k and popular albums posted but many people were competing with each other for the most obscure taste
Now it's all retards like you that defend Grimes and Yung Thug
Anyone know any more non-hip hop that's predominantly made out of samples? The Avalanches and Solex are really good but I haven't been able to find too much more. Most other stuff I've found is stuff like Negativland (like Stock, Hausen, and Walkman) that's basically sound collage. Which is fine but more structured music would be nice.
it used to be that /mu/ was self-actualized enough to understand that there were people out there who actually know more about music than they did, and by setting aside their autism for a minute they could find a cool album
now everyone who uses the internet is insecure so they spend all day defending the same three or four current shitty poptimist's choices
The top 2 rows basically.
will do, fellow comrade
check this one out
if ya like their goofy hardcore i would check out the coneheads
Thank you, finally a serious thread for a serious listener like me. I hope that all of you, my epic friends, only listen to field recordings and minimal music.
>I don't excel at anything in life, so I ONLY listen to music no one else has heard to make myself feel better
If that's the game we're playing I only listen to the sound of my shoes shuffling through the snow and the changing rhythm of my step, fucking beat that
>its just some of us have moved past the general essentials, p4k BNM and the latest hype album and have more developed tastes. No /mu/core, BNM, Fantanocore or chart music allowed.
what do my fellow /advanced/ listeners think of R Stevie Moore? pic related; his best tape
I'm not seeing your point?
There are thousands of albums with thousands of listeners on RYM and last.fm etc that have never been posted on /mu/ but aren't in the slightest bit obscure.
Oh wait, did you think /mu/ talked about everything, lmao
actually, this may be the best r stevie moore tape
>I'm not seeing your point?
Read the reply chain.
>There are thousands of albums with thousands of listeners on RYM and last.fm etc
Then go discuss them on the RYM forums and the last.fm forums.
What band are you in again?
R Stevie Moore is fucking awesome. He's my Facebook friend. A lot of people think his stuff sounds kinda muzaky at first, I did, but once you lock into his genius it's almost more profound than the beatles. incidentally, his cover of "I'm Only Sleeping" is superior to the original
Glad Music is his best studio album. Stevie Moore Often is one of the earliest tapes that's pretty much a masterpiece front to back. "Why Should I Love You" which appears on both in different versions should've been a hit
No I mean a musical analysis. I have friends who toured with him too, so what you just said is not useful to /advanced/ listeners.
How long have you been studying music theory?
>Nope, no one said anything like that.
Oh was this not you? >>61841421
>No, I'll do it here on this music board.
Suit yourself. Enjoy being called an elitist.
Are you suggesting that just because this is 4chan you have some sort of obligation to be antagonistic, and that I have no right to point out to you that what you're doing is completely childish?
OP is a faggot for being pretentious and approaching it like this.
If you want a /serious/ discussion, then make the discussion about what you want it to be about, not who you want to participate. build it up and they will have a sad cum bb, or something like that.
so, for the next thread, make a format for discussion instead, that touches on aspects of discussion you feel are generally lacking in /mu/. something like.
post one (1) album.
1. cultural relevance (music before and after)
2. musical complexity (break this down into multiple categories - have these be set in stone)
basically by asking people to truly review an album you'd get more in depth discussion.
not by saying "lel we are superior pls join us in circlejerk".
at least put on your trips next time so i can filter you.
I think this sums up the premise for these threads best.
Its not about ''advanced'' music.
Its a general for people who want to talk about music other than the same old /mu/core and BNM because they've ''advanced'' past it.
This was an successful thread . Trust me. If you want a successful thread like this you need to a little b8 get it going. A regualr thread like this with no b8 would die with little to no posts.
This is a legitimately interesting idea. Wonderful.
I have a question. I've appreciated solo/small ensemble piano works, usually with post-romantic leanings and perhaps a touch of jazz. Examples: Bill Evans, Brad Mehldhau, and Nils Frahm.
Problem is, only Evans is consistently interesting.
Rec me some more interesting works in this vein.
so far i see that the people with musical training have made zero posts of substance while I successfully gave some R Stevie Moore recs
Either style, and somewhere in between would be best. Either something like a sparer Music for 18 Musicians or Sky Turning Grey by Mehldau (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkMT0vLwlUM).
if you havent listened to 5 or more of these gtfo
Do anyone take these people seriously?
i havent laughed this much in a long time
this is the most