ITT: artists that combined pop with experimental with great results
Agree, the slight noise use in many songs from actor and in northern lights is perfect. Grot could perfectly be a Swans song.
Shame there are only waifufags and trolls here in 4chan
Snoop Dogg was the first rapper to use dog barks in the background, and hes the first rapper of all time to switch from animals from dog to lion.
St. Vincent really has influences from many genres, no wave, noise, glitch and she does it in a great way
Also top 5 from 2015 pic related
That, but also related to music.
Totally. All her albums are eclectic and brilliant.
She also collaborated with Swans on their latest album, To Be Kind.
>St. Vincent – background vocals on "Nathalie Neal", "Bring the Sun", "Screen Shot", and "Kirsten Supine"
rina combines pop with experimental right
and the results are certainly great
as far as females go
And then for men, you could even argue The Beatles are experimental. I mean, pretty much all of /mu core fits
Pop = accessible, catchy, easy to like.
Experimental = unusual, unexpected, innovative.
Listen to Surgeon for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGIbR5jdA58 You will recognize both of these characteristics.
Fucking boring outdated "noisy" guitar which sounds like the fakest attempt at a raw tone I've ever heard, using Tame Impala tier (except they can actually use them) synths where they just don't fit. Awful lyrics, some of the worst vocal performances I've ever heard from a female
>"run rabbit run, don't run little rabbit run"
Get some taste. If you think that "noisy" guitar is outdated or fake, you really don't know what are you talking about. Also everything else from your post is the definiton of cringe.
Annie isn't a flop but she's not the experimental queen you're building her up to be here.
Her sound is unique and her style is already recognizable. She perfects the kind of music she's working with. That's already enough.
She borders experimentation in some songs but that's just natural for someone who's studied music like her
Surgeon is just pop
T b h. Op said artists who mix pop and experimental, not just that they are only experimental. Of course most of her songs are just chamber pop and art rock, but others like your lips are red, black rainbow or grot are closer to experimental
> mfw some guys on /mu/ think this is experimental
Jesus Christ now I understand why you like trash like Vietcong
it's way more intricate and worked on than your regular Lady Gaga or Beyonce song.
But it's pop as much as David Bowie is pop.
I guess you're right, the last guitar solo is pretty dissonant
Ever heard about art performance, characters and costumes? Her music is great btw.
yuh here's the thing
St Vincent is post modernism. We're post John Cage, and post post dadaism.
Experimentation at this point needs to be unpleasant. It needs to contest a norm and be a difficult listen.
Just paying a homage to dissonance won't really make a song experimental.
Surgeon is pop that's also meticulously worked on by a talented musician. That's it. It's not going any further on the big spectrum of things.
i guess its that time of the month again. never understood how anyone could be this bitter towards someone this inoffensive. I think being over exposed to anything will cause this to happen to a person. Seriously, get off 4chan for a little while. You'll feel better.
experimental is an entirely relative term and therefore completely subjective, if i wanted to i could make a case for literally any musician ever being experimental
that's why it's a stupid term and why this thread is no more or less valid than a thread discussing whatever you consider "experimental" music to be
you're the one retcon-ing the definition of experimentalism to suit St. Vincent
time signature changes aren't experimental. Nor is using 9ths and 11ths in your melody (human racing).
Throwing fruits towards a wall was experimental in the 60s. Playing sounds backwards too.
Pop isn't too. Pop = popular music.
"Artists that combined pop with experimental" means artists that combined accessible/familiar sounds with inaccessible/unfamiliar sounds. Unfamiliar for the masses, not for /moooo/ nerds.
pop is a genre
usually will have a 4/4 time signature
melodies are imitative throughout the song to create catchyness
Hey Lady Gaga used a neapolitan chord in G. U.Y
That's a chord known for it's dissonance, being only a semitone distant from the tonic chord.
Is Lady Gaga experimental now?
I agreed more with some of what >>61836313 said.
>she's not the experimental queen you're building her up to be here.
>She borders experimentation in some songs but that's just natural for someone who's studied music like her.
I'm a fan of her but never discussed her with this board because it's all just waifuwars from what I've seen.
Why would you ever get that deep into lady gagas music?
>guy brings up a flaw in an argument based off another talentless hack
>"haha faggot you you listen to gaga"
Pathetic because you guys respond like 12 year olds. Instead of pointing out that he listens to Gaga, how about disputing his argument?
>Why would you ever get that deep into lady gagas music?
Why would you ever get that deep into Annie Clark's music? Same exact shit. Both have a little bit of musical theory understanding and they utilize in their songwriting. The exception is that if you say you like St. Vincent no one is going to tell you to go back to reddit.
>Pop= A structure
Pop has multiple meanings.
>music of general appeal, esp among young people, that originated as a distinctive genre in the 1950s. It is generally characterized by a strong rhythmic element and the use of electrical amplification
General appeal = accessible, catchy, easy to like.
You all did know I was a fag. That's what fags listen to
>I actually understood your previous point
I'm a completely different person that was observing this thread.
>enough is enough. It's not the exact shit. At all.
How? Explain? As far as I can see, both are female musicians who employ music theory, have a wild image and make popular music compositions.
I'm laughing at you. Sorry I have to word it out to you.
Nigga, I didn't mean that St. Vincent is experimental (ONLY), I meant that's she's both. Her music is a mix of both. Are you too dumb to understand that?
>as if that means anything and has never been done before by better acts
Speaking of that: her music is unique. I challenge you to find a truly similar artist. Go.
unique does not mean good, i hope you know that.
listening to her music, it's obvious that's nothing more than a pointless, hackneyed mishmash of the most obnoxious styles, created only to appeal to stupid greenhorn kids like you.
That's because bad believer is her worst song and it is also a shit song
>St. Vincent are
Do you even know who she is?
Anyways of course st vincent is not experimental, yes she uses noise at times and yes she has a few near no wave songs but thats it, she makes chamber pop, art rock and a bit of noise rock.
T b h the only albums i would consider experimental from last year are Clarence Clarity - no now, Zs-Xe and iglooghost - chinese nu yr. They are the only ones that really use new sounds, i wouldnt consider anything already used like noise as experimental
Yet, she makes very good music and she is very good at what she does and i enjoy it a lot.
Also waifufags and trolls should die and this thread is shit.
>T b h the only albums i would consider experimental from last year are Clarence Clarity - no now, Zs-Xe and iglooghost - chinese nu yr. They are the only ones that really use new sounds, i wouldnt consider anything already used like noise as experimental
thread over fellas
Tell me what other albums would you consider experimental?
Keiji Haino and jim orourke collaborations are very good, but they sre nothing new
Colin stetson/sarah neuman is neither nothing new
Benoit pioulard, duane pitre, tom carter... again nothing new
Tell me whats your fav experimental album fron last year
She is offensive though. She pervades this board as a total meme, and I'm expected to take her seriously as she gets plastered all over this board as some sort of avant-pop genius. But she isn't whatsoever
The other anon tlfucking told you your fav experimental album fron LAST YEAR which uses new sounds not used ALREADY
and you go and give him an artist instead of an album, and an album from decades ago both being are just mixtures of ambient, guiat and a bit of jazz
Would totally combine her pop with my experiment if udiggwhatimsayin
thats the only one i have in that outfit
its a great shame but what can you do
More here - https://500px.com/photo/108199411/marina-the-diamonds-by-luuk-
How about instead of making the entire thread alternating between shitting on St. Vincent and waifuing over whoever the other chick in this thread is someone post some more music what fits OP's criteria.
All in one place
the reason why nobodys doing that is because "combines pop with experimental" is such a ridiculously broad description that its essentially meaningless
OP might as well have said "ITT post your waifu" and it would have been precisely as relevant to musical discussion
Well experimental pop exists. It being broad isn't a bad thing. But this thread has been hijacked by people who don't want to discuss the topic and part of the blame is on OP for starting a thread on /mu/ with even a cursory relation to St. Vincent.
I like St. Vincent but I'm not going to say whether I think she's "experimental" or not but regardless, /mu/ has a hateboner for her and using a picture of her in the OP is one of the main reasons the thread is fucked at the moment.